Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

> lost.

>

> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

> drive.

>

> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>

> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>

> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>

> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>

> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>

> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

> drive without a single warning?

>

> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

> whole hard drive without warning.

>

> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>

> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>

> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>

> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

> drive and erase everything in it."

>

> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

> as erasing the whole hard drive.

What do you expect?

You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

your homework.

You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

interesting stuff like that.

You see, Linux is not like Windows.

Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

You have nobody to blame but yourself.

Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

<rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1192557868.019180.120530@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>> drive.

>>

>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>> drive without a single warning?

>>

>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

>> whole hard drive without warning.

>>

>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>

>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>

>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

>> as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>

> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>

Linux is s**t

Remeber to wipe yourself before you reinstall windows

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"olfart" <olfart65@excite.com> wrote in news:5nkdpcFijr2uU1

@mid.individual.net:

>

> <rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:1192557868.019180.120530@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>> lost.

>>>

>>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my

C:

>>> drive.

>>>

>>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>>

>>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>>

>>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>>

>>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>>

>>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>>

>>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>>> drive without a single warning?

>>>

>>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu

erases

>>> whole hard drive without warning.

>>>

>>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>>

>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>>

>>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>>

>>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>>

>>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as

destructive

>>> as erasing the whole hard drive.

>>

>> What do you expect?

>> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

>> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

>> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

>> your homework.

>>

>> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

>> interesting stuff like that.

>> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

>> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>>

>> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

>> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>>

> Linux is s**t

> Remeber to wipe yourself before you reinstall windows

Linux has nothing to do with this particular users problem.

Guess what....Windows asks how you want to partition the drive too, so if

you have no clue as to what partitioning is or what it actually means,

you could get screwed no matter what OS you are installing.

So there's noone/thing to blame except the user in this case.

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when

other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)

--

Regards,

Richard Urban

Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

<rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1192557868.019180.120530@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>> drive.

>>

>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>> drive without a single warning?

>>

>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

>> whole hard drive without warning.

>>

>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>

>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>

>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

>> as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>

> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>lost.

>>

>>After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>>drive.

>>

>>So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>>I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>>I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>>I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>>I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>>How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>>drive without a single warning?

>>

>>Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>>work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

>>whole hard drive without warning.

>>

>>The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>>the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>>I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>>some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>>it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>>say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>>right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>

>>When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>>choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>>entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>>already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>>drive and erase everything in it."

>>

>>Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>>about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>>skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>>thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>>spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

>>as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>

> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>

Oh yes....how wonderful!

Frank

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/4e798345b0867259/a47e92401f123e53#a47e92401f123e53

>

> Installing Ubuntu erased the whole hard drive without warning

Partition merely means dividing the data. It doesn't mean erasing.

I can partition my drive without losing a single file.

yet ubuntu's partition didn't clearly say that it will erase the whole

drive besides dividing the drive.

posting on the Mac forum gets a warm feeling. posting on the Windows

forum still get a helpful feeling. on Linux it is the very opposite

of Mac.

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"Summercool" <Summercoolness@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1192559965.675705.53100@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/4e798345b0867259/a47e92401f123e53#a47e92401f123e53

>>

>> Installing Ubuntu erased the whole hard drive without warning

>

> Partition merely means dividing the data. It doesn't mean erasing.

>

> I can partition my drive without losing a single file.

>

> yet ubuntu's partition didn't clearly say that it will erase the whole

> drive besides dividing the drive.

>

> posting on the Mac forum gets a warm feeling. posting on the Windows

> forum still get a helpful feeling. on Linux it is the very opposite

> of Mac.

>

That 'warm feeling" is Linux running down your leg

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when

> other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)

>

Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to

its use of bootloader, right?

i

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

DanS wrote:

> "olfart" <olfart65@excite.com> wrote in news:5nkdpcFijr2uU1

> @mid.individual.net:

>

>><rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>news:1192557868.019180.120530@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>>

>>>On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>>lost.

>>>>

>>>>After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my

>

> C:

>

>>>>drive.

>>>>

>>>>So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>>>

>>>>I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>>>

>>>>I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>>>

>>>>I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>>>

>>>>I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>>>

>>>>How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>>>>drive without a single warning?

>>>>

>>>>Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>>>>work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu

>

> erases

>

>>>>whole hard drive without warning.

>>>>

>>>>The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>>>content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>>>>the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>>>

>>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>>>

>>>>I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>>>>some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>>>>it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>>>>say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>>>>right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>>>

>>>>When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>>>>choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>>>>entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>>>>already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>>>>drive and erase everything in it."

>>>>

>>>>Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>>>>about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>>>>skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>>>>thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>>>>spend a little time to warn time before doing something as

>

> destructive

>

>>>>as erasing the whole hard drive.

>>>

>>>What do you expect?

>>>You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

>>>typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

>>>Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

>>>your homework.

>>>

>>>You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

>>>interesting stuff like that.

>>>You see, Linux is not like Windows.

>>>Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>>>

>>>You have nobody to blame but yourself.

>>>Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>>>

>>

>>Linux is s**t

>>Remeber to wipe yourself before you reinstall windows

>

> Linux has nothing to do with this particular users problem.

>

> Guess what....Windows asks how you want to partition the drive too, so if

> you have no clue as to what partitioning is or what it actually means,

> you could get screwed no matter what OS you are installing.

>

> So there's noone/thing to blame except the user in this case.

Absolutely! This is not a Linux fault, the OP ended up in a

self-inflicted predicament. Additionally, any one doing operating

system installations (which can require disk and partition work) on a

disk already hosting an OS and valuable data files should not have

neglected to have an appropriate backup and restore strategy in place.

Running a computer without backing up important files is a very bad

practice that can end up causing much grief. It is a mistake that

people do not repeat twice! Playing with operating system installations

and disk/partition work without a proper backup of valuable data on the

disk is sheer lunacy!

John

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi

(Windows Ubuntu Installer).

"Wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users that will bring you

into the Linux world with a single click. Wubi allows you to install and

uninstall Ubuntu Linux as any other application."

http://www.download.com/3000-2098_4-10702316.html

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

olfart wrote:

>Linux is

*plonk*

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Summercool wrote:

> Partition merely means dividing the data. It doesn't mean erasing.

>

> I can partition my drive without losing a single file.

Can you do that with the disk utility (diskpart) that is used to do

partition work when you install Windows XP? Can it partition or

repartition your drive without loss of data?

> yet ubuntu's partition didn't clearly say that it will erase the whole

> drive besides dividing the drive.

Yes, I agree, it should have warned you, but then it is not a secret

that doing this kind of work can result in loss of data!

John

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:34 -0500, Ignoramus1841

<ignoramus1841@NOSPAM.1841.invalid> wrote:

>On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when

>> other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)

>>

>

>Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to

>its use of bootloader, right?

>

>i

Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and

thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.

However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of

knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub

to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.

Strangely, despite being a former penguinista, I find that Vista is

alright for me (save a few flaws with my business's web based accounts

system) and that I cannot be bothered with the challenge of how to

make linux do what I want any more. Anyway, if I want quasi unix, I

have an iMac for that sort of thing!

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On 2007-10-16, Snuff <snuffin@all2worry4.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:34 -0500, Ignoramus1841

><ignoramus1841@NOSPAM.1841.invalid> wrote:

>

>>On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when

>>> other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)

>>>

>>

>>Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to

>>its use of bootloader, right?

>>

>>i

> Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and

> thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.

>

> However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of

> knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub

> to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.

Yes.

> Strangely, despite being a former penguinista, I find that Vista is

> alright for me (save a few flaws with my business's web based

> accounts system) and that I cannot be bothered with the challenge of

> how to make linux do what I want any more. Anyway, if I want quasi

> unix, I have an iMac for that sort of thing!

Mac is Unix, not quasi Unix.

Just curious, how long does it take Vista to boot?

i

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,

Summercool <Summercoolness@gmail.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:

> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/4e798345b0867259/a47e92401f123e53#a47e92401f123e53

>>

>> Installing Ubuntu erased the whole hard drive without warning

> Partition merely means dividing the data. It doesn't mean erasing.

Hahaha, clueless to the last.

> I can partition my drive without losing a single file.

If you tell it to partition the whole drive?

Let's see this wonder of wonders then shall we?

> yet ubuntu's partition didn't clearly say that it will erase the whole

> drive besides dividing the drive.

Yes, it did.

> posting on the Mac forum gets a warm feeling. posting on the Windows

> forum still get a helpful feeling. on Linux it is the very opposite

> of Mac.

A: This isn't a forum, this is a newsgroup. You don't even know THAT?

B: Try posting to the mac advocacy newsgroup about installing something and

getting your partition table wiped cos you said use the whole drive, see

where it gets you. Do the same in the windows advocacy group...

GOD, he gets stupider with every post.

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October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

news:Xns99CB949D8EBF7thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...

> Linux has nothing to do with this particular users problem.

>

> Guess what....Windows asks how you want to partition the drive too, so if

> you have no clue as to what partitioning is or what it actually means,

> you could get screwed no matter what OS you are installing.

Windows will not remove existing partitions without warning the user

(twice).

Some distros of Linux assume the user knows he is about to destroy

everything.

Not exactly user friendly for an OS that wants to be adopted by the masses

is it?

So next we will get the nice friendly Linux folk going on about how stupid

windows users are and then wonder why Linux can't be given away.

> So there's noone/thing to blame except the user in this case.

You can always blame the user no matter how bad the software is.

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message

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> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>> lost.

>>>

>

> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi

> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).

Its a bit too late for that.

The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user

will stick with something else.

This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no idea

how simple it has to be for the mass market.

Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux

partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On 2007-10-16, dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

> news:Xns99CB949D8EBF7thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...

>

>> Linux has nothing to do with this particular users problem.

>>

>> Guess what....Windows asks how you want to partition the drive too, so if

>> you have no clue as to what partitioning is or what it actually means,

>> you could get screwed no matter what OS you are installing.

>

> Windows will not remove existing partitions without warning the user

> (twice). Some distros of Linux assume the user knows he is about to

> destroy everything. Not exactly user friendly for an OS that wants

> to be adopted by the masses is it?

That is not user friendly, however, it was not true with the distro

that I use (Fedora). It is very explicit when it is about to

repartition the drive or reformat partitions. You cannot miss it.

> So next we will get the nice friendly Linux folk going on about how

> stupid windows users are and then wonder why Linux can't be given

> away.

If the OP's report is true, then indeed, that distro needs some major

reworking. I am, however, surprised to hear that as that has not been

my experience.

i

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my

>> C: drive.

>>

>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>> drive without a single warning?

>>

>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu

>> erases whole hard drive without warning.

>>

>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>

>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>

>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as

>> destructive as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

Or, Linux - in a moment of supreme self-importance - thought for a

moment that it WAS Windows and just took over you PC......

(Sorry, could not resist).

Jeff

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Try using your brain.

Why would it be any different from any other OS installation.

"rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com" wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

> > lost.

> >

> > After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

> > drive.

> >

> > So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

> >

> > I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

> >

> > I needed to reinstall every single application.

> >

> > I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

> >

> > I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

> >

> > How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

> > drive without a single warning?

> >

> > Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

> > work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

> > whole hard drive without warning.

> >

> > The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

> > content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

> > the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

> >

> > http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

> >

> > I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

> > some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

> > it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

> > say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

> > right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

> >

> > When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

> > choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

> > entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

> > already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

> > drive and erase everything in it."

> >

> > Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

> > about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

> > skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

> > thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

> > spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

> > as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>

> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Neither is Windows .......

Jeff

Richard Urban wrote:

> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an

> install when other operating systems are already on the computer.

> (bait)

>

> <rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:1192557868.019180.120530@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C:

>>> was lost.

>>>

>>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my

>>> C: drive.

>>>

>>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>>

>>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>>

>>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>>

>>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>>

>>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>>

>>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole

>>> hard drive without a single warning?

>>>

>>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu

>>> erases whole hard drive without warning.

>>>

>>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set

>>> as the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>>

>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>>

>>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" --

>>> best right after people click the "partition for whole drive"

>>> option. When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard

>>> drive",

>>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>>

>>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as

>>> destructive as erasing the whole hard drive.

>>

>> What do you expect?

>> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

>> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

>> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

>> your homework.

>>

>> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

>> interesting stuff like that.

>> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

>> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>>

>> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

>> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Snuff wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:34 -0500, Ignoramus1841

> <ignoramus1841@NOSPAM.1841.invalid> wrote:

>

>> On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an

>>> install when other operating systems are already on the computer.

>>> (bait)

>>>

>>

>> Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to

>> its use of bootloader, right?

>>

>> i

> Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and

> thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.

>

> However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of

> knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub

> to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.

But, the bit of knowledge is precisely what is missing here. This is a

person who though partitioning meant "dividing you data". You really

think he knows what a boot partition or grub are?

>

> Strangely, despite being a former penguinista, I find that Vista is

> alright for me (save a few flaws with my business's web based accounts

> system) and that I cannot be bothered with the challenge of how to

> make linux do what I want any more. Anyway, if I want quasi unix, I

> have an iMac for that sort of thing!

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Gene Jones wrote:

>ah, on a well crafted OS, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to do what happened to

>this person.

Obviously wrong. You are either very ignorant, or you're just a lying

troll.

>The Linux community screwed up, and should go to work at

>repairing ALL distros with this FLAW to make sure this combination can

>never happen again

It's not flaw. The installer did what it was told to do. The

operator ignored clear warnings.

But I see that you're too fscking stupid to waste any more of my time

on. *plonk*

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:04:28 -0700, rodolfo.garcia44 wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>> drive.

>>

>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>> drive without a single warning?

>>

>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of work,

>> or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases whole

>> hard drive without warning.

>>

>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

It says "Guided - Use entire disk".

Now what particular part about "Use Entire Disk" is beyond your

comprehension?

--

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October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,

dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble thusly:

> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message

> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>> lost.

>>>>

>>

>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi

>> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).

> Its a bit too late for that.

> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user

> will stick with something else.

What lack of suitable warning?

Can you show us some screen shots of this "lack of warning"?

> This is the problem with Linux ..

No it isn't.

> it is written by geeks who have no idea

> how simple it has to be for the mass market.

No it isn't. Ever installed windows?

> Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux

> partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

Hahaha, oh really? Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,

shall we?

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