Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:02:16 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message

> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>> lost.

>>>>

>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi (Windows

>> Ubuntu Installer).

>

> Its a bit too late for that.

> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux

> user will stick with something else.

> This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no

> idea how simple it has to be for the mass market. Windows would have

> warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux partition and

> that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

Oh come on Dennis...

What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I

mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!

How can you blame the OS Installer if the user is incapable of reading

the whole sentence?

Also, the Ubuntu installer will show a list of partition / file system

changes it makes to what drives and what partition that the user has to

OK before actually doing it.

So you can't even accidentally click continue and overwrite the system.

You need to do so twice.

Also, how is this different from installing XP or Vista?

Last time I checked, XP and Vista also give you just a list of drives /

partitions and you just go pick one to install on, or you can manually

configure the partitions. How is that any different? Except of course

Vista or XP don't ask a second time just to make sure you didn't make a

mistake. I suppose that is one difference.

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October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>> drive.

>>

>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>> drive without a single warning?

>>

>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

>> whole hard drive without warning.

>>

>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>

>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>

>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

>> as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>

> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>

Bug Report Closed, By Design, Just FYI.

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

news:selfu4-ije.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...

> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,

> dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble

> thusly:

>

>> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>>> lost.

>>>>>

>>>

>>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi

>>> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).

>

>> Its a bit too late for that.

>> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user

>> will stick with something else.

>

> What lack of suitable warning?

> Can you show us some screen shots of this "lack of warning"?

>

>> This is the problem with Linux ..

>

> No it isn't.

Linux's success says otherwise.

>> it is written by geeks who have no idea

>> how simple it has to be for the mass market.

>

> No it isn't. Ever installed windows?

3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

and a few I have forgotten.

Which have you installed?

>

>> Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux

>> partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying

>> delete.

>

> Hahaha, oh really?

Do you doubt it?

Have you never installed windows?

> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,

> shall we?

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:02:16 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>

>> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>>> lost.

>>>>>

>>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi (Windows

>>> Ubuntu Installer).

>>

>> Its a bit too late for that.

>> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux

>> user will stick with something else.

>> This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no

>> idea how simple it has to be for the mass market. Windows would have

>> warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux partition and

>> that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

>

> Oh come on Dennis...

>

> What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I

> mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!

Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with.

If they select manual then they get presented with even more problems.

> How can you blame the OS Installer if the user is incapable of reading

> the whole sentence?

>

> Also, the Ubuntu installer will show a list of partition / file system

> changes it makes to what drives and what partition that the user has to

> OK before actually doing it.

>

> So you can't even accidentally click continue and overwrite the system.

> You need to do so twice.

At no time does it actually tell the user that the data on their system will

be lost if they proceed.

As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much.

It was written by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or

don't expect Linux to be used by the masses.

> Also, how is this different from installing XP or Vista?

>

> Last time I checked, XP and Vista also give you just a list of drives /

> partitions and you just go pick one to install on, or you can manually

> configure the partitions. How is that any different? Except of course

> Vista or XP don't ask a second time just to make sure you didn't make a

> mistake. I suppose that is one difference.

Except that they will not remove the data from a partition without warning

the user unlike what you state above.

Also if you were truthful you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice before

removing a partition and tell the user that it may contain data that will be

lost if they do. It even asks twice before it will format one.

I suggest you dig out you windows disks and try an install as you appear to

have forgotten what it does.

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,

dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble thusly:

> 3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

> and a few I have forgotten.

> Which have you installed?

Too many.

> Do you doubt it?

> Have you never installed windows?

As I said, Too many times.

>> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,

>> shall we?

Didn't think so.

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October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Oct 16, 3:42 pm, spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:

> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,

> Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:

> > posting on the Mac forum gets a warm feeling. posting on the Windows

> > forum still get a helpful feeling. on Linux it is the very opposite

> > of Mac.

>

> A: This isn't a forum, this is a newsgroup. You don't even know THAT?

> B: Try posting to the mac advocacy newsgroup about installing something and

> getting your partition table wiped cos you said use the whole drive, see

> where it gets you. Do the same in the windows advocacy group...

>

> GOD, he gets stupider with every post.

You're going to argue semantics over forum vs. newsgroup and call

someone else stupid?

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:11:42 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

><spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

>> No it isn't. Ever installed windows?

>

>3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

>and a few I have forgotten.

>Which have you installed?

Still acting like a pompous ass aren't you. What's the matter, can't

break an old bad habit?

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:25:09 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>> Oh come on Dennis...

>>

>> What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I

>> mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!

>

>Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with.

You're really getting out of control. I know what your problem is. You

simply can't stand to get corrected. Even when you are wrong. Why else

you think I keep calling you a pompous jerk.

ROTFLMAO!

>As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much.

>It was written by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or

>don't expect Linux to be used by the masses.

Don't get me started on all the Microsoft screw ups. It would be a

very long detailed list starting with illegal snooping on customer's

computers reporting back to Redmond and marking legit copies of Vista

as counterfeit. Just wondering, you REALLY want me to post such a

list?

Face facts. You're nothing but another head up your ass Microsoft

apologist that gets his shorts all bunched up any time anybody exposes

what rubes Microsoft designers really are.

>Also if you were truthful you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice before

>removing a partition and tell the user that it may contain data that will be

>lost if they do.

Now you're cherry picking. How come you never want to face all the

stupid things Vista does? You simply have no clue what being fair and

balanced means. If you want to start nitpicking Linux or Macs, first

clean up Microsoft's house. It's a mess. You know it too.

>It even asks twice before it will format one.

>I suggest you dig out you windows disks and try an install as you appear to

>have forgotten what it does.

I can't forget what a a-hole you always are. You make it impossible to

forget.

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:11:42 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>><spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

>

>>>No it isn't. Ever installed windows?

>>

>>3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

>>and a few I have forgotten.

>>Which have you installed?

>

> Still acting like a pompous ass aren't you.

Oh, I don't think he has any intention at all of stealing your pompous

act, you as*hole!

Frank

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:18:31 -0700, Frank <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:11:42 +0100, "dennis@home"

>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>>

>>><spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

>>

>>>>No it isn't. Ever installed windows?

>>>

>>>3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

>>>and a few I have forgotten.

>>>Which have you installed?

>>

>> Still acting like a pompous ass aren't you.

>

>Oh, I don't think he has any intention at all of stealing your pompous

>act, you as*hole!

Kiss my grits Frank.

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:25:09 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>>>Oh come on Dennis...

>>>

>>>What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I

>>>mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!

>>

>>Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with.

>

> You're really getting out of control. I know what your problem is. You

> simply can't stand to get corrected. Even when you are wrong. Why else

> you think I keep calling you a pompous jerk.

Oh the irony!

>

> ROTFLMAO!

>

>>As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much.

>>It was written by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or

>>don't expect Linux to be used by the masses.

>

> Don't get me started on all the Microsoft screw ups. It would be a

> very long detailed list starting with illegal snooping on customer's

> computers reporting back to Redmond and marking legit copies of Vista

> as counterfeit. Just wondering, you REALLY want me to post such a

> list?

>

> Face facts. You're nothing but another head up your ass Microsoft

> apologist that gets his shorts all bunched up any time anybody exposes

> what rubes Microsoft designers really are.

>

>>Also if you were truthful you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice before

>>removing a partition and tell the user that it may contain data that will be

>>lost if they do.

>

> Now you're cherry picking. How come you never want to face all the

> stupid things Vista does? You simply have no clue what being fair and

> balanced means. If you want to start nitpicking Linux or Macs, first

> clean up Microsoft's house. It's a mess. You know it too.

>

>>It even asks twice before it will format one.

>>I suggest you dig out you windows disks and try an install as you appear to

>>have forgotten what it does.

>

> I can't forget what a a-hole you always are. You make it impossible to

> forget.

>

You must be the most brain dead jacka*s loser of all times.

You are truly one fulkked up scumbag idiot.

Frank

October 16, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,

cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:

> You're going to argue semantics over forum vs. newsgroup and call

> someone else stupid?

Who was arguing?

I was stating the bleedin obvious to the terminally dense.

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October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:02:16 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>

>> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>>> lost.

>>>>>

>>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi (Windows

>>> Ubuntu Installer).

>> Its a bit too late for that.

>> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux

>> user will stick with something else.

>> This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no

>> idea how simple it has to be for the mass market. Windows would have

>> warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux partition and

>> that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

>

> Oh come on Dennis...

>

> What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I

> mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!

>

> How can you blame the OS Installer if the user is incapable of reading

> the whole sentence?

>

> Also, the Ubuntu installer will show a list of partition / file system

> changes it makes to what drives and what partition that the user has to

> OK before actually doing it.

>

> So you can't even accidentally click continue and overwrite the system.

> You need to do so twice.

>

> Also, how is this different from installing XP or Vista?

>

> Last time I checked, XP and Vista also give you just a list of drives /

> partitions and you just go pick one to install on, or you can manually

> configure the partitions. How is that any different? Except of course

> Vista or XP don't ask a second time just to make sure you didn't make a

> mistake. I suppose that is one difference.

>

In my experience Windows has only ever warned if you are about to damage

another "Windows" installation, seems like it always ignored anything

else, at least as far as I have encountered.

Anyway this is a silly topic, the OP obviously didn't think / didn't

read / didn't understand ow whatever and that is unfortunate but I'm

sure we have all experienced that [Enter] Oh sh*t feeling.

You cannot go through a Ubuntu install hitting defaults, you have to

make a conscious selection (Or unconscious depending on state of mind I

guess) so some here are just plain lying (Surprise surprise).

October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:04:28 -0700, rodolfo.garcia44 wrote:

>

>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>> lost.

>>>

>>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>>> drive.

>>>

>>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>>

>>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>>

>>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>>

>>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>>

>>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>>

>>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>>> drive without a single warning?

>>>

>>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of work,

>>> or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases whole

>>> hard drive without warning.

>>>

>>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>>

>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>

> It says "Guided - Use entire disk".

>

> Now what particular part about "Use Entire Disk" is beyond your

> comprehension?

>

There's also an option to use free space.

caver1

October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

caver1 wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:

>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:04:28 -0700, rodolfo.garcia44 wrote:

>>

>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>> lost.

>>>>

>>>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>>>> drive.

>>>>

>>>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>>>

>>>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>>>

>>>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>>>

>>>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>>>

>>>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>>>

>>>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>>>> drive without a single warning?

>>>>

>>>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of work,

>>>> or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases whole

>>>> hard drive without warning.

>>>>

>>>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>>>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>>>

>>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>> It says "Guided - Use entire disk".

>>

>> Now what particular part about "Use Entire Disk" is beyond your

>> comprehension?

>>

>

> There's also an option to use free space.

> caver1

Yeah, the bit between the ears...

It is possible he unwittingly used that and his XP or whatever is still

there.

October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

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> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,

> dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble

> thusly:

>> 3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

>> and a few I have forgotten.

>> Which have you installed?

>

> Too many.

>

>> Do you doubt it?

>> Have you never installed windows?

>

> As I said, Too many times.

>

>>> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,

>>> shall we?

>

> Didn't think so.

If you are so sure it does you could show the warning.

The fact that I can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't

exist.

You really should try and get the logic correct before demanding evidence.

October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:11:42 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>>

>><spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

>

>>> No it isn't. Ever installed windows?

>>

>>3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

>>and a few I have forgotten.

>>Which have you installed?

>

> Still acting like a pompous ass aren't you. What's the matter, can't

> break an old bad habit?

>

Ho Crazy.

When do your doctors decide you have had enough free time?

October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

dennis@home wrote:

>

> <spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:aeqfu4-0re.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...

>> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,

>> dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble

>> thusly:

>>>

3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

>>> and a few I have forgotten.

>>> Which have you installed?

>>

>> Too many.

>>

>>> Do you doubt it?

>>> Have you never installed windows?

>>

>> As I said, Too many times.

>>

>>>> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,

>>>> shall we?

>>

>> Didn't think so.

>

> If you are so sure it does you could show the warning.

Well, why should he? People who have actually installed it know that it

exists.

> The fact that I can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't

> exist.

The "fact" that you can't show the warning is evidence that you are lying.

Or too stupid to even attempt a linux install. Or both

> You really should try and get the logic correct before demanding evidence.

Hilarious

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October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Oct 16, 11:44 pm, Peter Köhlmann <peter.koehlm...@t-online.de>

wrote:

> dennis@home wrote:

>

> > The fact that I can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't

> > exist.

>

> The "fact" that you can't show the warning is evidence that you are lying.

> Or too stupid to even attempt a linux install. Or both

Ok, I never saw a warning. I started using computer since before

Apple ][

If some of you know, it is called the "Superboard", and I have used

computer for 25 years. I can program all the way from micro-code,

machine code, all the way to C, Java, Python, and Ruby.

Anyways, I didn't see any warning, and the Ubuntu tech support said

this is a bug that it didn't detect Vista.

Also, the word "Partition" may have a strong "erasing the whole hard

drive" connotation to the Linux guys. But it also may have a

"dividing the data" connotation to people. Depending on its usage,

sometimes people may think that it is merely creating a new partition

for the Linux installation. So between the two possible meanings, why

assuming there is absolutely no confusion and just go ahead with the

destructive action?

October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Summercool wrote:

> On Oct 16, 11:44 pm, Peter Köhlmann <peter.koehlm...@t-online.de>

> wrote:

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>> > The fact that I can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't

>> > exist.

>>

>> The "fact" that you can't show the warning is evidence that you are

>> lying. Or too stupid to even attempt a linux install. Or both

>

> Ok, I never saw a warning. I started using computer since before

> Apple ][

Ah yes. And because of that you never saw a warning?

> If some of you know, it is called the "Superboard", and I have used

> computer for 25 years. I can program all the way from micro-code,

> machine code, all the way to C, Java, Python, and Ruby.

Big deal. If true at all. I strongly suspect that it is another outright lie

from you. And all that blather has nothing to do with any warnings, seen or

not

> Anyways, I didn't see any warning, and the Ubuntu tech support said

> this is a bug that it didn't detect Vista.

Really? Care to show us where you found that particular lie?

> Also, the word "Partition" may have a strong "erasing the whole hard

> drive" connotation to the Linux guys.

No, it has not. It has to do with the consequences. One of them being that

after partitioning, the FS has to be formatted. Particularly if it was NTFS

before

> But it also may have a "dividing the data" connotation to people.

It had *never* to do with "dividing data"

It was always about filesystems, not data

I don't care where you found that particularly absurd connotation, but it is

extremely idiotic

> Depending on its usage,

> sometimes people may think that it is merely creating a new partition

> for the Linux installation. So between the two possible meanings, why

> assuming there is absolutely no confusion and just go ahead with the

> destructive action?

Because that bloke actually clicked "OK"

After being introduced to an explanation what happens next

--

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October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:25:41 -0400, caver1 wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:

>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:04:28 -0700, rodolfo.garcia44 wrote:

>>

>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>> lost.

>>>>

>>>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my

>>>> C: drive.

>>>>

>>>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>>>

>>>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>>>

>>>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>>>

>>>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>>>

>>>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>>>

>>>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>>>> drive without a single warning?

>>>>

>>>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>>>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu

>>>> erases whole hard drive without warning.

>>>>

>>>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>>>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>>>

>>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>> It says "Guided - Use entire disk".

>>

>> Now what particular part about "Use Entire Disk" is beyond your

>> comprehension?

>>

>

> There's also an option to use free space. caver1

Not on that screenshot there isn't.

I think the free space option only appears if there acutally *is* free

space that could be used in the first place or if there is a partition

that can be safely resized to make free space.

And then, the option will also be called such and won't be called "Use

entire disk".

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October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:25:09 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>>> Oh come on Dennis...

>>>

>>> What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I

>>> mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!

>>

>>Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with.

>

> You're really getting out of control. I know what your problem is. You

> simply can't stand to get corrected. Even when you are wrong. Why else

> you think I keep calling you a pompous jerk.

Because you are crazy thats why.

Didn't I make it plain enough for you?

Lets try again.

You are crazy.

>

> ROTFLMAO!

>

>>As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much.

>>It was written by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or

>>don't expect Linux to be used by the masses.

>

> Don't get me started on all the Microsoft screw ups. It would be a

> very long detailed list starting with illegal snooping on customer's

> computers reporting back to Redmond and marking legit copies of Vista

> as counterfeit. Just wondering, you REALLY want me to post such a

> list?

Do I care what you think of anything?

No not really. every time you open your mouth I think less of what you say.

>

> Face facts. You're nothing but another head up your ass Microsoft

> apologist that gets his shorts all bunched up any time anybody exposes

> what rubes Microsoft designers really are.

Lets face facts Adam you act crazy.

I don't know what you get out of appearing crazy so I assume you really are

crazy.

Have a nice day and remember to take the pills it will make everyone feel

better.

>

>>Also if you were truthful you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice

>>before

>>removing a partition and tell the user that it may contain data that will

>>be

>>lost if they do.

>

> Now you're cherry picking. How come you never want to face all the

> stupid things Vista does? You simply have no clue what being fair and

> balanced means. If you want to start nitpicking Linux or Macs, first

> clean up Microsoft's house. It's a mess. You know it too.

Maybe it because unlike you I am not an expert on Vista so I can hardly

pronounce upon it like you do.

However I am sure the vast majority recognise your expertise for waht it is

and act appropriatly.

>

>>It even asks twice before it will format one.

>>I suggest you dig out you windows disks and try an install as you appear

>>to

>>have forgotten what it does.

>

> I can't forget what a a-hole you always are. You make it impossible to

> forget.

>

At least I am not crazy like you Adam.

I doubt if I will be able to forget that either.. who did you say you were?

Do you have any significance here? I thought not.

October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

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> Stephan Rose wrote:

>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:04:28 -0700, rodolfo.garcia44 wrote:

>>

>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>> lost.

>>>>

>>>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>>>> drive.

>>>>

>>>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>>>

>>>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>>>

>>>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>>>

>>>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>>>

>>>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>>>

>>>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>>>> drive without a single warning?

>>>>

>>>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of work,

>>>> or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases whole

>>>> hard drive without warning.

>>>>

>>>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>>>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>>>

>>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>> It says "Guided - Use entire disk".

>>

>> Now what particular part about "Use Entire Disk" is beyond your

>> comprehension?

>>

>

> There's also an option to use free space.

> caver1

This issue is down to what the target market for Linux is.

If it is to take over the desktop then it has to be targeted at the level of

a moron so that almost anyone can install it without getting unfixable

problems.

This means you can't assume the user understands what a disk is.. after all

a lot of people think the case is a CPU.

This is Linux's biggest problem.. too many developers and users over

estimate the knowledge of their target users.

Until the developers sort out the installation routines Linux will not be

mass market as it still relies on someone being able to download it and

install it.

Making it so that only ~5% of users can install it without problems stops

the ~95% from using it.

Linux developers haven't even worked out that users don't read manuals by

the sound of it.

Having worked in the telecoms industry I can assure you that you can *never*

underestimate how dumb users are (well at least a lot of them).

October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:14:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

> news:eClxAUGEIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:04:28 -0700, rodolfo.garcia44 wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C:

>>>>> was lost.

>>>>>

>>>>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my

>>>>> C: drive.

>>>>>

>>>>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>>>>

>>>>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>>>>

>>>>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>>>>

>>>>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>>>>

>>>>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>>>>

>>>>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole

>>>>> hard drive without a single warning?

>>>>>

>>>>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>>>>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu

>>>>> erases whole hard drive without warning.

>>>>>

>>>>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>>>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set

>>>>> as the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>>>>

>>>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>>

>>> It says "Guided - Use entire disk".

>>>

>>> Now what particular part about "Use Entire Disk" is beyond your

>>> comprehension?

>>>

>>

>> There's also an option to use free space. caver1

>

> This issue is down to what the target market for Linux is. If it is to

> take over the desktop then it has to be targeted at the level of a moron

> so that almost anyone can install it without getting unfixable problems.

> This means you can't assume the user understands what a disk is.. after

> all a lot of people think the case is a CPU.

Then why does Windows ask about partitioning and formatting when doing an

install?

>

> This is Linux's biggest problem.. too many developers and users over

> estimate the knowledge of their target users. Until the developers sort

> out the installation routines Linux will not be mass market as it still

> relies on someone being able to download it and install it.

Hopefully more vendors, especially visible ones like Dell, will start

shipping Linux pre-installed.

> Making it so that only ~5% of users can install it without problems

> stops the ~95% from using it.

How many people can properly install Windows?

> Linux developers haven't even worked out that users don't read manuals

> by the sound of it.

People don't read manuals when running any software, for the most part.

They don't read them when setting up stereos and VCRs, either.

>

> Having worked in the telecoms industry I can assure you that you can

> *never* underestimate how dumb users are (well at least a lot of them).

--

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October 17, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

In article <13hbqqpq50pen00@news.supernews.com>, none@nomail.com says...

> Hopefully more vendors, especially visible ones like Dell, will start

> shipping Linux pre-installed.

Lets hope they wait until Linux has gained mass hardware support from

vendors so that customers are not limited.

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