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[Guest Frank]

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:50:54 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>news:bi1ch3pr73d1ia35lj214cconleh2oraeo@4ax.com...

>>

>>hi crazy.

>>I bet the Linux crowd are glad you aren't on their side.

>

>

> I see you must have completed Frank's course on how to be seen as a

> Usenet moron. Just call everybody crazy and hope nobody notices how

> you act.

>

> ROTFLMAO!

>

 

I bet you could get both of your feet in your mouth at the same time and

still manage to shove your pointy bald head up your fat hairy arse.

Frank

[Guest dennis@home]

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"Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@screwspammers.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:27:23 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>

>> <spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

>> news:aeqfu4-0re.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...

>>> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy, dennis@home

>>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble thusly:

>>>>

> 3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

>>>> and a few I have forgotten.

>>>> Which have you installed?

>>>

>>> Too many.

>>>

>>>> Do you doubt it?

>>>> Have you never installed windows?

>>>

>>> As I said, Too many times.

>>>

>>>>> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then, shall we?

>>>

>>>

>>> Didn't think so.

>>

>> If you are so sure it does you could show the warning. The fact that I

>> can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't exist.

>> You really should try and get the logic correct before demanding

>> evidence.

>

> http://fosswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/

> ubuntufeistyinstallpicture-8.png

>

> Same URL tiny:

> http://tinyurl.com/2qc234

 

Thanks for that.. I downloaded 7.04 to see what it did but it wouldn't run

under VPC so I still haven't seen the install screens myself.

 

I think that anyone familiar with computers would understand those warnings.

but then they wouldn't need them anyway.

Its still not particularly clear to a computer illiterate.

 

Maybe something along the lines of "If you continue you will erase all your

documents and pictures and any games and programs you have on this machine.

This is not recoverable unless you have made copies of all you stuff on

separate media e.g. DVD. If you are unsure please read the documentation or

ask questions at http://.."

[Guest dennis@home]

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:43:46 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>>Linux does not warn the user in plain English in any distro I have

>>installed.

>

>>It may be fine for someone like me that would probably have clicked on

>>expert mode and done it manually anyway but its not much use for newbies.

>

> There you go again... pretending you are some kind of expert and

> everybody else is a dummy. You can't stop yourself can you. LOL!

 

Still here crazy.

I would have thought you had made enough of a fool of yourself in the vista

groups without doing it here too.

 

>>> How many people can properly install Windows?

>>

>>More than Linux IME.

>

> Based on what, your reading of tea leaves? Again another fanboy simply

> mouthing his biased opinion. Damn you guys are so full of yourselves

> it gets nauseating to read any of the crap you post.

>

>>So you have to make software as idiot proof as possible if you expect

>>those

>>people to use it.

>

> Why is it your type constantly pretends you are so smart, but

> everybody else to you is some kind of idiot?

 

Have you noticed whom it is that thinks they are an expert here?

A hint its you.

However I expect that everyone else is like me and knows you are just crazy.

>>

>>Do you really think the user will get the blame if an OS upgrade kills the

>>users data?

>

> Windows does the same thing when you do a clean install. I bet a lot

> of people aren't aware that's what will happen. What I always find so

> damn funny about you clowns and that's all you are in you never tire

> of ranting and raving about competing products but at the same time

> can never bring yourselves to be even a little critical of Microsoft

> when it does the same things or worse. I keep asking why, you guys

> NEVER answer.

>

>>No it will be the OS and probably rightly so if the warnings are not

>>written

>>in plain English that computer illiterates can understand.

>

> Please tell me you think Windows Vista always uses plain easy to

> follow English in it's help. I need a good laugh. Check out the double

> talk that Vista offers about UAC and file permissions for example.

>>

>>I am of the opinion that software should not be able to do harm even if

>>the

>>user hasn't read the manuals without warning them in language they should

>>understand i.e. not computer speak as most people don't understand it.

>

> There you go again. You simply can't stop suggesting you are so

> computer smart and everybody else couldn't possibly know as much as

> you do. You have any idea what a pompous windbag you always sound

> like?

>

 

Have you any idea how crazy you are?

[Guest dennis@home]

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"Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

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> On 10/17/2007 7:49 AM On a whim, dennis@home pounded out on the keyboard

>

>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

>> news:uYEggtLEIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> If a a person has no idea what a disc is, let alone a partition, then

>>> that person

>>> has no business installing an OS. And if they do try without the proper

>>> backups

>>> and research, then they can't blame the OS no matter if it is

>>> Linux,Windows or whatever.

>>

>> You can say that if you like but maybe you should try the real world and

>> see who does get blamed for things like that.

>>

>> Note that I did not say the blame was entirely warranted but that makes

>> no difference to the user.

>> BTW calling them stupid and thick isn't going to help them think Linux is

>> OK.. its just going to make them think all Linux users are like Peter and

>> that will be more black marks.

>>

>> Lets face facts.. if you want Linux to be as successful as windows on the

>> desktop you are going to have to deal with thick users. You can't get far

>> unless you do.

>

> The FACTS are, almost ALL Windows installations are pre-installed. Those

> who have installed additional OS's learned how to do it properly, some by

> trial and error. If a system came pre-installed with Linux and a person

> tried to install Windows, the same thing could easily happen and then the

> user would be blaming Windows for their loss of data. The FACTS are that

> most people don't travel into the realm of setting up multiple OS's. I'm

> a consultant and I have 5 OS's on my system and I still don't think I

> understand fully all there is to know about it.

 

The facts are that if Linux is to be big on the desktop someone is going to

have to install it.

That will have to be the user AFAICS.

If you really think Dell or the other small time operators are going to make

serious in-roads into windows sales then you are going to be dissapointed.

Its this "it would be OK if it were pre installed" attitude that stops the

solution IMO, no-one wants to fix it because the problem will go away

 

>

> Those who haphazardly attempt it without doing the research in advance can

> expect problems. And if they don't know the basic terms used on computers

> and are attempting to install an additional OS on their system (without

> making a backup first), they may not be "idiots", but they're not very

> smart.

 

Welcome to the world of computing as used by the masses.

It doesn't help when computer shopper put Linux disks on the cover.

[Guest dennis@home]

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:50:54 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>news:bi1ch3pr73d1ia35lj214cconleh2oraeo@4ax.com...

>>

>>hi crazy.

>>I bet the Linux crowd are glad you aren't on their side.

>

> I see you must have completed Frank's course on how to be seen as a

> Usenet moron. Just call everybody crazy and hope nobody notices how

> you act.

>

> ROTFLMAO!

>

 

Do you want me to give them a run down of you behavior so that they can

judge for themselves?

OK I will.

 

Adam is a troll of the worst kind.

He deliberately antagonizes other posters for any reason he can find.

He will pop and accuse them of being experts and pontificating even when the

poster is asking for help.

 

That OK or do you think more than a summary is needed?

[Guest dennis@home]

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"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

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> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

>> news:uYEggtLEIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> If a a person has no idea what a disc is, let alone a partition, then

>>> that person

>>> has no business installing an OS. And if they do try without the proper

>>> backups

>>> and research, then they can't blame the OS no matter if it is

>>> Linux,Windows or whatever.

>>

>> You can say that if you like but maybe you should try the real world and

>> see who does get blamed for things like that.

>>

>> Note that I did not say the blame was entirely warranted but that makes

>> no difference to the user.

>> BTW calling them stupid and thick isn't going to help them think Linux is

>> OK.. its just going to make them think all Linux users are like Peter and

>> that will be more black marks.

>>

>> Lets face facts.. if you want Linux to be as successful as windows on the

>> desktop you are going to have to deal with thick users. You can't get far

>> unless you do.

>

>

> I guess I do live in a fantasy world. Never have even thought about the

> real world.

 

Well if you think the user isn't going to blame the OS then you may? ;-)

> Where in my posts have you ever found me insulting someone?

 

Sorry that was a generic thing having had experience of how friendly some

Linux advocates are.

I didn't mean to apply it to you and I should have been more clear in the

way I said it.

> The biggest thing wrong in this world is that most people do not want to

> take

> responsibility for their own actions. That way they don't have to learn or

> take care of themselves.

> caver1

[Guest chrisv]

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dennis@home wrote:

>Maybe something along the lines of "If you continue you will erase all your

>documents and pictures and any games and programs... (snip)

 

Maybe something alongs the lines of "STFU, dennis@home, you ignorant

twat."

[Guest chrisv]

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dennis@home wrote:

>Have you noticed whom it is that thinks they are an expert here?

 

What is "here", cretin?

>A hint its you.

 

Not in cola, where pretty-much everyone can see that you're an idiot

who likes to pretend that he has a clue.

>However I expect that everyone else is like me and knows you are just crazy.

 

Wrong again.

[Guest Adam Albright]

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:58:48 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>

wrote:

>dennis@home wrote:

>

>>Have you noticed whom it is that thinks they are an expert here?

>

>What is "here", cretin?

>

>>A hint its you.

>

>Not in cola, where pretty-much everyone can see that you're an idiot

>who likes to pretend that he has a clue.

>

>>However I expect that everyone else is like me and knows you are just crazy.

>

>Wrong again.

 

Too funny! Dennis calls anyone that kicks his ass crazy. He's just

another pompous wannabe phony. We have more of that type in this

newsgroup on a percentage basis then any newsgroup I can remember

visiting which includes CIWAH which is the equivalent of this one for

HTML Authoring, where they have a very high number of self elected

"expert" types that spend their days pontificating and looking down

their noses on anyone not members of their little club.

[Guest Adam Albright]

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:30:32 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:a6cch31qkr560o9ner9e30v1dldaimp71t@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:43:46 +0100, "dennis@home"

>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>>

>>>Linux does not warn the user in plain English in any distro I have

>>>installed.

>>

>>>It may be fine for someone like me that would probably have clicked on

>>>expert mode and done it manually anyway but its not much use for newbies.

>>

>> There you go again... pretending you are some kind of expert and

>> everybody else is a dummy. You can't stop yourself can you. LOL!

>

>Still here crazy.

>I would have thought you had made enough of a fool of yourself in the vista

>groups without doing it here too.

 

More proof you don't have a clue what you're talking about. I AM

posting to the Microsoft Vista General group you babbling ninny. You

being an idiot cross posted. So without redirecting replies others are

too if they respond to your bile. Need any more help understanding how

Usenet works Mr. Computer expert?

 

You also seem confused. You begin saying 'Still HERE crazy' then

follow up with saying 'doing it here too' You simply don't know what

you're babbling about do you.

 

I sure had you pegged as a blowhard didn't I.

 

ROTFLMAO!

[Guest Bob I]

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dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

> news:eLvkeQNEIHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>> On 10/17/2007 7:49 AM On a whim, dennis@home pounded out on the keyboard

>>

>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

>>> news:uYEggtLEIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> If a a person has no idea what a disc is, let alone a partition,

>>>> then that person

>>>> has no business installing an OS. And if they do try without the

>>>> proper backups

>>>> and research, then they can't blame the OS no matter if it is

>>>> Linux,Windows or whatever.

>>>

>>>

>>> You can say that if you like but maybe you should try the real world

>>> and see who does get blamed for things like that.

>>>

>>> Note that I did not say the blame was entirely warranted but that

>>> makes no difference to the user.

>>> BTW calling them stupid and thick isn't going to help them think

>>> Linux is OK.. its just going to make them think all Linux users are

>>> like Peter and that will be more black marks.

>>>

>>> Lets face facts.. if you want Linux to be as successful as windows on

>>> the desktop you are going to have to deal with thick users. You can't

>>> get far unless you do.

>>

>>

>> The FACTS are, almost ALL Windows installations are pre-installed.

>> Those who have installed additional OS's learned how to do it

>> properly, some by trial and error. If a system came pre-installed

>> with Linux and a person tried to install Windows, the same thing could

>> easily happen and then the user would be blaming Windows for their

>> loss of data. The FACTS are that most people don't travel into the

>> realm of setting up multiple OS's. I'm a consultant and I have 5 OS's

>> on my system and I still don't think I understand fully all there is

>> to know about it.

>

>

> The facts are that if Linux is to be big on the desktop someone is going

> to have to install it.

> That will have to be the user AFAICS.

> If you really think Dell or the other small time operators are going to

> make serious in-roads into windows sales then you are going to be

> dissapointed.

> Its this "it would be OK if it were pre installed" attitude that stops

> the solution IMO, no-one wants to fix it because the problem will go away

>

>

>>

>> Those who haphazardly attempt it without doing the research in advance

>> can expect problems. And if they don't know the basic terms used on

>> computers and are attempting to install an additional OS on their

>> system (without making a backup first), they may not be "idiots", but

>> they're not very smart.

>

>

> Welcome to the world of computing as used by the masses.

> It doesn't help when computer shopper put Linux disks on the cover.

 

Humm, AOL did that and look how they have grown!

[Guest dennis@home]

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:58:48 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>

> wrote:

>

>>dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>>Have you noticed whom it is that thinks they are an expert here?

>>

>>What is "here", cretin?

>>

>>>A hint its you.

>>

>>Not in cola, where pretty-much everyone can see that you're an idiot

>>who likes to pretend that he has a clue.

>>

>>>However I expect that everyone else is like me and knows you are just

>>>crazy.

>>

>>Wrong again.

>

> Too funny! Dennis calls anyone that kicks his ass crazy. He's just

> another pompous wannabe phony. We have more of that type in this

> newsgroup on a percentage basis then any newsgroup I can remember

> visiting which includes CIWAH which is the equivalent of this one for

> HTML Authoring, where they have a very high number of self elected

> "expert" types that spend their days pontificating and looking down

> their noses on anyone not members of their little club.

>

 

Wrong again.

You are crazy.

chrisv is just a linux zealot who can't win an argument by logic so he has

to resort to insults.

[Guest Adam Albright]

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:48:53 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:e3dch317en7ndqtb7rms2au4vdi1l0070b@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:50:54 +0100, "dennis@home"

>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>news:bi1ch3pr73d1ia35lj214cconleh2oraeo@4ax.com...

>>>

>>>hi crazy.

>>>I bet the Linux crowd are glad you aren't on their side.

>>

>> I see you must have completed Frank's course on how to be seen as a

>> Usenet moron. Just call everybody crazy and hope nobody notices how

>> you act.

>>

>> ROTFLMAO!

>>

>

>Do you want me to give them a run down of you behavior so that they can

>judge for themselves?

>OK I will.

>

>Adam is a troll of the worst kind.

>He deliberately antagonizes other posters for any reason he can find.

>He will pop and accuse them of being experts and pontificating even when the

>poster is asking for help.

>

>That OK or do you think more than a summary is needed?

 

You're just pissed-off I exposed you as the phony you obviously are.

Better luck next time.

[Guest Rick]

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:43:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

> news:13hbqqpq50pen00@news.supernews.com...

>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:14:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eClxAUGEIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:04:28 -0700, rodolfo.garcia44 wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C:

>>>>>>> was lost.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on

>>>>>>> my C: drive.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on

>>>>>>> it.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over

>>>>>>> again.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole

>>>>>>> hard drive without a single warning?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>>>>>>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu

>>>>>>> erases whole hard drive without warning.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you

>>>>>>> the content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is

>>>>>>> set as the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>>>>

>>>>> It says "Guided - Use entire disk".

>>>>>

>>>>> Now what particular part about "Use Entire Disk" is beyond your

>>>>> comprehension?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> There's also an option to use free space. caver1

>>>

>>> This issue is down to what the target market for Linux is. If it is to

>>> take over the desktop then it has to be targeted at the level of a

>>> moron so that almost anyone can install it without getting unfixable

>>> problems. This means you can't assume the user understands what a disk

>>> is.. after all a lot of people think the case is a CPU.

>>

>> Then why does Windows ask about partitioning and formatting when doing

>> an install?

>

> It has to but it does warn the user in plain English that they will lose

> data if thats what they do.

> Linux does not warn the user in plain English in any distro I have

> installed.

 

... you mean like asking them if they want to use THE WHOLE DISK??? Geee,

I dunno, maybe if I use THE WHOLE DISK, it use the whole disk, just not

my data...

> It may be fine for someone like me that would probably have clicked on

> expert mode and done it manually anyway but its not much use for

> newbies.

 

If they can't figure out what 'the whole disk' means, I doubt they shuold

be installing any operating system.

>

>

>>

>>

>>> This is Linux's biggest problem.. too many developers and users over

>>> estimate the knowledge of their target users. Until the developers

>>> sort out the installation routines Linux will not be mass market as it

>>> still relies on someone being able to download it and install it.

>>

>> Hopefully more vendors, especially visible ones like Dell, will start

>> shipping Linux pre-installed.

>

> It may make a difference but until they do Linux needs to be made more

> suitable for idiots to install or it will not take off as some hope. It

 

Almost any idiot can install Linux on a desktop. For the most part, all

you have to do is hit enter... and have your data backed up.... which

they should be doing anyway.

 

> has always been the nerdy installation that stops the majority from

> installing Linux and even though it is easier it still uses terms most

> people do not understand and does things that people don't understand

> (probably for no good reason other than to save a few lines of code).

 

People should learn about whatever it is they are doing. And, AGAIN,

installing Linux is AT LEAST as easy as installing Windows.

>

>

>>> Making it so that only ~5% of users can install it without problems

>>> stops the ~95% from using it.

>>

>> How many people can properly install Windows?

>

> More than Linux IME.

 

I don't think so.

> Also there tends to be quite a few upgrades from windows which aren't

> succesful if the OS deletes the users data like Linux tends to. If,

> while doing an upgrade/install the user loses data then you have lost

> that user and anyone they talk to.

 

Linux does not tend to delete users data.

>

>>> Linux developers haven't even worked out that users don't read manuals

>>> by the sound of it.

>>

>> People don't read manuals when running any software, for the most part.

>> They don't read them when setting up stereos and VCRs, either.

>

> So you have to make software as idiot proof as possible if you expect

> those people to use it.

 

I don't expect Joe Sixpack to use Linux until he/she can easily get it

pre-installed.

>

> Do you really think the user will get the blame if an OS upgrade kills

> the users data?

> No it will be the OS and probably rightly so if the warnings are not

> written in plain English that computer illiterates can understand.

 

By definition, if a person is illiterate, h/she won't be able to read the

directions.

>

> I am of the opinion that software should not be able to do harm even if

> the user hasn't read the manuals without warning them in language they

> should understand i.e. not computer speak as most people don't

> understand it. If a user needs to read the manuals its pretty poor

> software and limits its potential users to a minority.

 

Name any operating system that conforms to your opinion.

>

>>> Having worked in the telecoms industry I can assure you that you can

>>> *never* underestimate how dumb users are (well at least a lot of

>>> them).

 

--

Rick

[Guest Rick]

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:43:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

 

)snip)

>

> It has to but it does warn the user in plain English that they will lose

> data if thats what they do.

> Linux does not warn the user in plain English in any distro I have

> installed.

> It may be fine for someone like me that would probably have clicked on

> expert mode and done it manually anyway but its not much use for

> newbies.

(snip)

 

What were the last 3 distros you installed? What distro do you use?

 

 

 

--

Rick

[Guest Adam Albright]

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:43:31 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:rprch35321uel07hsnhqfkhbh35bpsq4gj@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:58:48 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>>Have you noticed whom it is that thinks they are an expert here?

>>>

>>>What is "here", cretin?

>>>

>>>>A hint its you.

>>>

>>>Not in cola, where pretty-much everyone can see that you're an idiot

>>>who likes to pretend that he has a clue.

>>>

>>>>However I expect that everyone else is like me and knows you are just

>>>>crazy.

>>>

>>>Wrong again.

>>

>> Too funny! Dennis calls anyone that kicks his ass crazy. He's just

>> another pompous wannabe phony. We have more of that type in this

>> newsgroup on a percentage basis then any newsgroup I can remember

>> visiting which includes CIWAH which is the equivalent of this one for

>> HTML Authoring, where they have a very high number of self elected

>> "expert" types that spend their days pontificating and looking down

>> their noses on anyone not members of their little club.

>>

>

>Wrong again.

>You are crazy.

>chrisv is just a linux zealot who can't win an argument by logic so he has

>to resort to insults.

 

You're starting to sound and act more like Frank, this newsgroup's

official pest every day. Are you his brother?

[Guest dennis@home]

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

 

"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>

> Humm, AOL did that and look how they have grown!

>

 

I know.. I don't really understand why though.

I suppose they were offering a service that people thought they wanted.

It wasn't anywhere near as popular here in the UK AFAIK.

 

I don't remember there being any cases of AOL software deleting user files

but it did have some serious problems from what i remember people posting.

I have never used AOL myself or actually know anyone that has (or will admit

to it).

[Guest dennis@home]

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

 

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

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8<

> Linux does not tend to delete users data.

 

This thread is about Linux deleting a users data.

 

8<

>> I am of the opinion that software should not be able to do harm even if

>> the user hasn't read the manuals without warning them in language they

>> should understand i.e. not computer speak as most people don't

>> understand it. If a user needs to read the manuals its pretty poor

>> software and limits its potential users to a minority.

>

> Name any operating system that conforms to your opinion.

 

How about the one that runs a telephone exchange?

[Guest dennis@home]

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

 

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:43:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>

> )snip)

>>

>> It has to but it does warn the user in plain English that they will lose

>> data if thats what they do.

>> Linux does not warn the user in plain English in any distro I have

>> installed.

>> It may be fine for someone like me that would probably have clicked on

>> expert mode and done it manually anyway but its not much use for

>> newbies.

> (snip)

>

> What were the last 3 distros you installed?

 

Fedora core 3, gentoo (real pain that one as it didn't compile my disk

controller in so it wouldn't boot first time), and ubuntu (but that hasn't

finished yet and doesn't work on vpc),

>What distro do you use?

 

None here (unless you count my nas drives, router and mail server) as my

linux notebook got dropped and the new one is vista (insurance company

doesn't do linux) and I haven't got around to repartitioning it yet.

[Guest Addle Jones]

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Summercool wrote:

> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/4e798345b0867259/a47e92401f123e53#a47e92401f123e53

>> Installing Ubuntu erased the whole hard drive without warning

>

>

> Partition merely means dividing the data. It doesn't mean erasing.

>

> I can partition my drive without losing a single file.

>

> yet ubuntu's partition didn't clearly say that it will erase the whole

> drive besides dividing the drive.

 

My "favorite" Linux bug of all time was when an installer

for one of the major commercial distros destroyed a partition with a

lot of valuable data. The problem, it turns out, was that the installer

used one program to identify the partitions when it asked you which

partitions to use for what. Then it used a different program to

do the formatting. But the two programs put the partitions in different

order under some circumstances. Well ... it just so happened that my

partitions were ordered differently by these two programs, so the wrong

partition got overwritten.

 

I had so many problems like that during the decade I was running Linux

.... God only knows how I hung on as long as I did. I still get a

nauseated feeling when I see a Linux desktop, more than a year and a

half after switching to Mac.

[Guest Frank]

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:48:53 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>news:e3dch317en7ndqtb7rms2au4vdi1l0070b@4ax.com...

>>

>>>On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:50:54 +0100, "dennis@home"

>>><dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>news:bi1ch3pr73d1ia35lj214cconleh2oraeo@4ax.com...

>>>>

>>>>hi crazy.

>>>>I bet the Linux crowd are glad you aren't on their side.

>>>

>>>I see you must have completed Frank's course on how to be seen as a

>>>Usenet moron. Just call everybody crazy and hope nobody notices how

>>>you act.

>>>

>>>ROTFLMAO!

>>>

>>

>>Do you want me to give them a run down of you behavior so that they can

>>judge for themselves?

>>OK I will.

>>

>>Adam is a troll of the worst kind.

>>He deliberately antagonizes other posters for any reason he can find.

>>He will pop and accuse them of being experts and pontificating even when the

>>poster is asking for help.

>>

>>That OK or do you think more than a summary is needed?

>

>

> You're just pissed-off I exposed you as the phony you obviously are.

> Better luck next time.

>

He's nailed your fat stupid pig ass so many times you'd proly sink if

you went swimming...hahaha...lol!

Frank

[Guest Rick]

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:08:23 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:e%23JRo1PEIHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

>

>> Humm, AOL did that and look how they have grown!

>>

>>

> I know.. I don't really understand why though. I suppose they were

> offering a service that people thought they wanted. It wasn't anywhere

> near as popular here in the UK AFAIK.

>

> I don't remember there being any cases of AOL software deleting user

> files but it did have some serious problems from what i remember people

> posting. I have never used AOL myself or actually know anyone that has

> (or will admit to it).

 

Linux doesn't delete user data, either.

 

 

 

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Rick

[Guest Rick]

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:12:58 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

> news:13hctdt2i2nmaa5@news.supernews.com...

>

> 8<

>

>> Linux does not tend to delete users data.

>

> This thread is about Linux deleting a users data.

>

> 8<

 

Linux didn't delete the user's data.. by itself. The user explicitly told

the installer to wipe out the data.

>

>>> I am of the opinion that software should not be able to do harm even

>>> if the user hasn't read the manuals without warning them in language

>>> they should understand i.e. not computer speak as most people don't

>>> understand it. If a user needs to read the manuals its pretty poor

>>> software and limits its potential users to a minority.

>>

>> Name any operating system that conforms to your opinion.

>

> How about the one that runs a telephone exchange?

 

.... install it on a personal computer... and without any instruction.

 

 

 

 

 

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Rick

[Guest Rick]

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:24:41 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

> news:13hcthh1srtj7bf@news.supernews.com...

>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:43:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>

>> )snip)

>>>

>>> It has to but it does warn the user in plain English that they will

>>> lose data if thats what they do.

>>> Linux does not warn the user in plain English in any distro I have

>>> installed.

>>> It may be fine for someone like me that would probably have clicked on

>>> expert mode and done it manually anyway but its not much use for

>>> newbies.

>> (snip)

>>

>> What were the last 3 distros you installed?

>

> Fedora core 3,

3??? 3 ???? .... real current.

> gentoo (real pain that one as it didn't compile my disk

> controller in so it wouldn't boot first time), and ubuntu (but that

> hasn't finished yet and doesn't work on vpc),

 

.... it works on VMWare. I installed using VMWare just to see what the

buzz is about.

>

>>What distro do you use?

>

> None here (unless you count my nas drives, router and mail server) as my

> linux notebook got dropped and the new one is vista (insurance company

> doesn't do linux) and I haven't got around to repartitioning it yet.

 

Wow... from your statements, you sound like you haven't used a Linux

distro in your life.

 

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Rick

[Guest caver1]

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

 

dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@screwspammers.com> wrote in message

> news:Z6WdnZP9nbXIjovanZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@giganews.com...

>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:27:23 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>> <spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

>>> news:aeqfu4-0re.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...

>>>> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy, dennis@home

>>>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble thusly:

>>>>>

>> 3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

>>

>>>>> and a few I have forgotten.

>>>>> Which have you installed?

>>>>

>>>> Too many.

>>>>

>>>>> Do you doubt it?

>>>>> Have you never installed windows?

>>>>

>>>> As I said, Too many times.

>>>>

>>>>>> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then, shall we?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Didn't think so.

>>>

>>> If you are so sure it does you could show the warning. The fact that I

>>> can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't exist.

>>> You really should try and get the logic correct before demanding

>>> evidence.

>>

>> http://fosswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/

>> ubuntufeistyinstallpicture-8.png

>>

>> Same URL tiny:

>> http://tinyurl.com/2qc234

>

> Thanks for that.. I downloaded 7.04 to see what it did but it wouldn't

> run under VPC so I still haven't seen the install screens myself.

>

> I think that anyone familiar with computers would understand those

> warnings. but then they wouldn't need them anyway.

> Its still not particularly clear to a computer illiterate.

>

> Maybe something along the lines of "If you continue you will erase all

> your documents and pictures and any games and programs you have on this

> machine. This is not recoverable unless you have made copies of all you

> stuff on separate media e.g. DVD. If you are unsure please read the

> documentation or ask questions at http://.."

 

 

Thats the same as the warning for your iron. "Do not Ingest"

caver1