Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

October 22, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

caver1 wrote:

> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>> news:uN%23NKlDFIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>

>>> The same reason that GW Bush doesn't announce when he's NOT going to

>>> bomb somebody, because then there's nothing to worry about, is there?

>>> Are you know complaining that Linux doesn't constantly warn you when

>>> nothing is wrong?

>>>

>>> Christ almighty, what is wrong with this?

>>

>> Its a poor analogy? Who knows what else is wrong with what you said?

>>

>>> You are saying that someone with your claimed experience cannot

>>> understand a simple message like this one?

>>>

>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg

>>

>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?

>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick

>> they are all correct.

>

> There is no pleasing you. No matter what the answer you say but- "what if?'

> You're shown that the warning is there. Then you ask why is it there.

> The partitions that are going to be destroyed are the ones that you are

> going to repartition.

> If its the whole disk its the whole disk. If its the free space its the

> free space. If you do it manually its the ones you pick. No you cannot

> use the same partition for two different OS's.

> Of course if you say okay you might want to warn your neighbors that

> they will have to shut their computers down so it won't destroy their data.

> And by the way give me a screen shot to prove that it won't.

> caver1

Well the point is quite admirably illustrated. There is no pleasing

someone who does not want to be pleased.

It is unfortunate that it is not possible to make things completely

idiot proof but it is not, and all Dennis has proved is that not only is

it impossible but if anyone could prove that fact 'twould be Dennis.

You don't give a ten year old a gallon of gas and some matches and tell

him to light the grill, and apparently some are not safe with a CD. I

guess that's life :)

October 22, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Charlie Tame wrote:

> caver1 wrote:

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>> news:uN%23NKlDFIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>>

>>>> The same reason that GW Bush doesn't announce when he's NOT going to

>>>> bomb somebody, because then there's nothing to worry about, is

>>>> there? Are you know complaining that Linux doesn't constantly warn

>>>> you when nothing is wrong?

>>>>

>>>> Christ almighty, what is wrong with this?

>>>

>>> Its a poor analogy? Who knows what else is wrong with what you said?

>>>

>>>> You are saying that someone with your claimed experience cannot

>>>> understand a simple message like this one?

>>>>

>>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg

>>>

>>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?

>>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick

>>> they are all correct.

>>

>> There is no pleasing you. No matter what the answer you say but- "what

>> if?'

>> You're shown that the warning is there. Then you ask why is it there.

>> The partitions that are going to be destroyed are the ones that you

>> are going to repartition.

>> If its the whole disk its the whole disk. If its the free space its

>> the free space. If you do it manually its the ones you pick. No you

>> cannot use the same partition for two different OS's.

>> Of course if you say okay you might want to warn your neighbors that

>> they will have to shut their computers down so it won't destroy their

>> data.

>> And by the way give me a screen shot to prove that it won't.

>> caver1

>

> Well the point is quite admirably illustrated. There is no pleasing

> someone who does not want to be pleased.

>

> It is unfortunate that it is not possible to make things completely

> idiot proof but it is not, and all Dennis has proved is that not only is

> it impossible but if anyone could prove that fact 'twould be Dennis.

>

> You don't give a ten year old a gallon of gas and some matches and tell

> him to light the grill, and apparently some are not safe with a CD. I

> guess that's life :)

Thank you Charlie.

caver1

October 22, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

caver1 wrote:

> Charlie Tame wrote:

>> caver1 wrote:

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>

>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:uN%23NKlDFIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> The same reason that GW Bush doesn't announce when he's NOT going

>>>>> to bomb somebody, because then there's nothing to worry about, is

>>>>> there? Are you know complaining that Linux doesn't constantly warn

>>>>> you when nothing is wrong?

>>>>>

>>>>> Christ almighty, what is wrong with this?

>>>>

>>>> Its a poor analogy? Who knows what else is wrong with what you said?

>>>>

>>>>> You are saying that someone with your claimed experience cannot

>>>>> understand a simple message like this one?

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg

>>>>

>>>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?

>>>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick

>>>> they are all correct.

>>>

>>> There is no pleasing you. No matter what the answer you say but-

>>> "what if?'

>>> You're shown that the warning is there. Then you ask why is it there.

>>> The partitions that are going to be destroyed are the ones that you

>>> are going to repartition.

>>> If its the whole disk its the whole disk. If its the free space its

>>> the free space. If you do it manually its the ones you pick. No you

>>> cannot use the same partition for two different OS's.

>>> Of course if you say okay you might want to warn your neighbors that

>>> they will have to shut their computers down so it won't destroy their

>>> data.

>>> And by the way give me a screen shot to prove that it won't.

>>> caver1

>>

>> Well the point is quite admirably illustrated. There is no pleasing

>> someone who does not want to be pleased.

>>

>> It is unfortunate that it is not possible to make things completely

>> idiot proof but it is not, and all Dennis has proved is that not only

>> is it impossible but if anyone could prove that fact 'twould be Dennis.

>>

>> You don't give a ten year old a gallon of gas and some matches and

>> tell him to light the grill, and apparently some are not safe with a

>> CD. I guess that's life :)

>

> Thank you Charlie.

> caver1

Well it is rather like politics and religion, since there IS no definite

answer the debate can be endless.

I wouldn't get rich but wouldn't turn down $10 for every time I've fskd

something up and wished it wasn't my fault. If all else fails read the

instructions. I personally think that both the Windows and Ubuntu

installers are as idiot proof as is necessary, there'll always be a

better idiot than you can create a workaround for :)

I wasn't very happy when my install failed but there IS something about

my particular system here that's causing it which I can isolate because

I have the luxury of slide mounted drives. I "Could" have just said to

hell with it but would rather try and at least isolate the problem even

if I am not able to find a technical reason for it. I suspect it may be

because GRUB is installed on a data drive but either way it is worth

knowing about.

October 22, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit

posting about it on this NG.

-

"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message

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> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:

>

>>Unruh wrote:

>>> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:

>>>

>>>> Unruh wrote:

>>>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...

>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...

>>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>>> 8<

>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is

>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant.

>>>>>>>>>>> Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to

>>>>>>>>>>> start installing

>>>>>>>>>>> I notice that I get the same warning screen

>>>>>>>>>>> (identical AFAICS) if I

>>>>>>>>>>> select use

>>>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free

>>>>>>>>>>> space.

>>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are

>>>>>>>>>>> changed: SCSI1

>>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)

>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted:

>>>>>>>>>>> partition #1 of

>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of

>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap

>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<

>>>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk

>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are

>>>>>>>>>>> changed: SCSI1

>>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)

>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted:

>>>>>>>>>>> partition #1 of

>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of

>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap

>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<

>>>>>>>>>>> For use largest free space.

>>>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.

>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?

>>>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the

>>>>>>>>>> partitions were

>>>>>>>>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover

>>>>>>>>>> your Win

>>>>>>>>>> partition, the ball game is over.

>>>>>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you

>>>>>>>>>> tell it to use

>>>>>>>>>> the whole disk.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There

>>>>>>>>> may be a need for

>>>>>>>>> more warnings or just a better partitioner but that

>>>>>>>>> is an addition.

>>>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from

>>>>>>>> you win

>>>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting

>>>>>>>> the disk is

>>>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed

>>>>>>>> the windows data.

>>>>>>>> (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF

>>>>>>>> you managed to

>>>>>>>> repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it

>>>>>>>> was before, you

>>>>>>>> could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant

>>>>>>>> to almost all

>>>>>>>> users. It is the partitioning that destroys the ability

>>>>>>>> to access the

>>>>>>>> data). Thus if there is no warning on the

>>>>>>>> repartitioning then that is

>>>>>>>> where the problem lies.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few

>>>>>>> more questions and

>>>>>>> then applies the changes.

>>>>>> No, the user applies the changes.

>>>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes

>>>>>>> that it puts up

>>>>>>> the warning about destroying data.

>>>>>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed

>>>>>>> to be made, I

>>>>>>> have not checked myself).

>>>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the

>>>>>>> majority of users and

>>>>>>> in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.

>>>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating

>>>>>> systems.

>>>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is

>>>>> (almost) impossible to

>>>>> find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing

>>>>> needs to be set up

>>>>> to allow installation by users. If the installer does not

>>>>> give adequate

>>>>> warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the

>>>>> fault of the

>>>>> installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings

>>>>> Ubuntu 7.1 gives and

>>>>> whether or not they are adequate.

>>>>>

>>>

>>>> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or

>>>> not, or even if they are given or not,

>>>> how can you even comment?

>>>

>>> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting

>>> on the previous

>>> comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the

>>> conditional (If) I

>>> seems from various comments that it does NOT give adequate

>>> warning, and the

>>> warning that was posted was certainly well beyond the point

>>> at which a

>>> warning should have been given. Do you have more information

>>> about what the

>>> warning actually is?

>

>>Here is a quote as I haven't figured out how to

>>get a screen shot in here,

>> "If you continue,the changes listed below

>>will be written to the

>>disks. Otherwise, you will be able to make further

>>changes manually.

>

>>Warning: This will destroy all data on any

>>partition you have removed as well as on the

>>partitions that are going to be formatted.

>>................................

>>Write the changes to disk?"

>

>>caver1

>

> I believe that occurs during the formatting, not the selection

> of

> partitions. And the warning is generic. It comes up if you

> placed

> partitions onto a completely empty disk, as well as one that

> was previously

> partitioned. The system KNOWS if the disk had previous

> partitions on it. It

> is at that point that the system should warn you, not after it

> has

> repartitioned the disk. It especially KNOWS if there were NTFS

> partitions

> on the disk previously. That is when it should give the

> warning. IF the

> user selects manaul repartitioning, the system may well assume

> that he

> knows what he is doing. If the system automatically

> repartitions the disk

> for the user, the system should assume that the person's grasp

> of

> partitioning is weak and be extra careful to give warnings,

> and not generic

> idiotic warnings like the above, which you get if you

> partition a brand new

> completely blank disk.

>

> I believe that the OP stated that the Ubuntu people have

> admitted that the

> lack of warning is a bug. If there is a lack of warning at the

> repartitioning stage, then that IS a bug.

>

October 22, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg

>>

>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?

>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick they

>> are all correct.

>

> WTF difference does it make which HAS data, the installer is telling you

> that it soon won't have if you proceed. If by this time in the procedure

> you don't know then a) you should not be installing operating systems and

> b) you cancel the operation and check.

But what you say is not ture.

The installer may be going to destroy data or it may not be.

If you continue you may end up with a dual boot system or not.

Why is it you can't see that the warnings are wrong as in some circumstances

they lie.

>

> If you are suggesting the installer should detect and identify every

> operating system and file system ever created then you better tell them to

> correct the Vista and XP installers because they don't wipe your butt for

> you either...

No I am suggesting that if the installer is not going to destroy data it

should not say it is.

At best it confuses the newbies and they abandon linux, at worst the

experience user will ignore it as they know its wrong and delete their

system.

Its simple enough if you think about it.

>

> What you have proven conclusively is your ability to behave like a

> complete idiot...

October 22, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

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> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>> news:uN%23NKlDFIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>

>>> The same reason that GW Bush doesn't announce when he's NOT going to

>>> bomb somebody, because then there's nothing to worry about, is there?

>>> Are you know complaining that Linux doesn't constantly warn you when

>>> nothing is wrong?

>>>

>>> Christ almighty, what is wrong with this?

>>

>> Its a poor analogy? Who knows what else is wrong with what you said?

>>

>>> You are saying that someone with your claimed experience cannot

>>> understand a simple message like this one?

>>>

>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg

>>

>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?

>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick they

>> are all correct.

>

> There is no pleasing you. No matter what the answer you say but- "what

> if?'

> You're shown that the warning is there. Then you ask why is it there.

You have not read what I wrote.

With Ubuntu you get the same warning even if no data is going to be lost.

What this does is stop newbies from installing it as they are going to lose

data (even though they aren't).

The experienced user will ignore the message as he knows it is talking

rubbish when it says it is going to remove data and will delete his system.

The messages are wrong!

Its bad enough that they are cryptic but in the case of Ubuntu they are

*wrong* they do not apply to what is actually going to happen.

Is that clear enough?

If you read the posts you will even see where I posted what the messages

said for the example where I selected use the entire disk and use the free

space and they are the *same*.

October 22, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"Doug W." <stand@attention> wrote in message

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> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit posting

> about it on this NG.

Stop screaming and kill the thread if you don't like it.

Click in the column with the specs on adjacent to the post until a red

no-entry sign appears if you don't know how.

Abracadabra no more posts in this thread.

October 22, 2007

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Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Doug W. wrote:

> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit posting

> about it on this NG.

> -

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October 22, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Alias wrote:

> Doug W. wrote:

>> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit posting

>> about it on this NG.

>> -

>

> New to Usenet?

>

This is why I hate this forum.

October 22, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message

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>

> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

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>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>> news:uN%23NKlDFIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>>

>>>> The same reason that GW Bush doesn't announce when he's NOT going to

>>>> bomb somebody, because then there's nothing to worry about, is there?

>>>> Are you know complaining that Linux doesn't constantly warn you when

>>>> nothing is wrong?

>>>>

>>>> Christ almighty, what is wrong with this?

>>>

>>> Its a poor analogy? Who knows what else is wrong with what you said?

>>>

>>>> You are saying that someone with your claimed experience cannot

>>>> understand a simple message like this one?

>>>>

>>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg

>>>

>>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?

>>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick they

>>> are all correct.

>>

>> There is no pleasing you. No matter what the answer you say but- "what

>> if?'

>> You're shown that the warning is there. Then you ask why is it there.

>

> You have not read what I wrote.

>

> With Ubuntu you get the same warning even if no data is going to be lost.

> What this does is stop newbies from installing it as they are going to

> lose data (even though they aren't).

> The experienced user will ignore the message as he knows it is talking

> rubbish when it says it is going to remove data and will delete his

> system.

>

> The messages are wrong!

>

> Its bad enough that they are cryptic but in the case of Ubuntu they are

> *wrong* they do not apply to what is actually going to happen.

> Is that clear enough?

>

> If you read the posts you will even see where I posted what the messages

> said for the example where I selected use the entire disk and use the free

> space and they are the *same*.

It's up to the user to know what partitions are on what devices, so when the

installed gives the message that partition x will be formatted, the user

knows what was on that partition to start with.

The warning is a general warning, indicating to the user any change he has

made to a partition will result in the loss of any data on that drive.

You don't seem to be able to comprehend the messages in context. I can only

assume english is not your first language.

October 22, 2007

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Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

dobey wrote:

> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message

> news:D4A33D23-205D-4B94-B259-9450A8473E3E@microsoft.com...

>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

>> news:eu2QUSEFIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:uN%23NKlDFIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> The same reason that GW Bush doesn't announce when he's NOT going to

>>>>> bomb somebody, because then there's nothing to worry about, is there?

>>>>> Are you know complaining that Linux doesn't constantly warn you when

>>>>> nothing is wrong?

>>>>>

>>>>> Christ almighty, what is wrong with this?

>>>> Its a poor analogy? Who knows what else is wrong with what you said?

>>>>

>>>>> You are saying that someone with your claimed experience cannot

>>>>> understand a simple message like this one?

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg

>>>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?

>>>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick they

>>>> are all correct.

>>>

>>> There is no pleasing you. No matter what the answer you say but- "what

>>> if?'

>>> You're shown that the warning is there. Then you ask why is it there.

>> You have not read what I wrote.

>>

>> With Ubuntu you get the same warning even if no data is going to be lost.

>> What this does is stop newbies from installing it as they are going to

>> lose data (even though they aren't).

>> The experienced user will ignore the message as he knows it is talking

>> rubbish when it says it is going to remove data and will delete his

>> system.

>>

>> The messages are wrong!

>>

>> Its bad enough that they are cryptic but in the case of Ubuntu they are

>> *wrong* they do not apply to what is actually going to happen.

>> Is that clear enough?

>>

>> If you read the posts you will even see where I posted what the messages

>> said for the example where I selected use the entire disk and use the free

>> space and they are the *same*.

>

> It's up to the user to know what partitions are on what devices, so when the

> installed gives the message that partition x will be formatted, the user

> knows what was on that partition to start with.

>

> The warning is a general warning, indicating to the user any change he has

> made to a partition will result in the loss of any data on that drive.

>

> You don't seem to be able to comprehend the messages in context. I can only

> assume english is not your first language.

>

Hehe, the simple fact is that even if the user should end up with a

"Dual Boot" system (Which is unlikely but Dennis knows best of course)

his "Data" has still been lost, in the sense that what he had originally

is no longer there. and without changing GRUB or something he probably

won't be able to use it. Claiming that "Use entire disk" and "Use free

space" are the same is simply lying, at least as far as my experience

demonstrates, the result is the "Same" if you get to that point and

cancel, it makes no changes, but if you understand what "Free Space"

means then the results are not. As for the answers being "Cryptic" I

don't see how anyone claiming Dennis' great experience and expertise on

all things OS could possibly be fooled.

Yes a complete idiot could mangle their system, just as they could by

not following the rather misleading "Start / Shutdown" procedure, or by

pulling the plug or having ActiveX install a virus. You may have heard

about the Lawyer's secretary who donated $1000s to a Nigerian

"Businessman" with access to someone's bank account. Fact is though that

most users (yes even just plain users) are not that stupid and those who

are will break something whatever.

Prediction:- "If" Dennis is correct Linux will get all the smart users

and Windows will get all the idiots, who have not yet broken their

systems but will, over and over again.

October 22, 2007

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Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Charlie Tame wrote:

< snip >

> Prediction:- "If" Dennis is correct Linux will get all the smart users

> and Windows will get all the idiots, who have not yet broken their

> systems but will, over and over again.

Color me confused, but what exactly would change then?

Isn't that the situation we have right now?

--

Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product.

October 22, 2007

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"dobey" <a@v.nox> wrote in message

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>

> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message

> news:D4A33D23-205D-4B94-B259-9450A8473E3E@microsoft.com...

>>

>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

>> news:eu2QUSEFIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>

>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:uN%23NKlDFIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> The same reason that GW Bush doesn't announce when he's NOT going to

>>>>> bomb somebody, because then there's nothing to worry about, is there?

>>>>> Are you know complaining that Linux doesn't constantly warn you when

>>>>> nothing is wrong?

>>>>>

>>>>> Christ almighty, what is wrong with this?

>>>>

>>>> Its a poor analogy? Who knows what else is wrong with what you said?

>>>>

>>>>> You are saying that someone with your claimed experience cannot

>>>>> understand a simple message like this one?

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg

>>>>

>>>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?

>>>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick they

>>>> are all correct.

>>>

>>> There is no pleasing you. No matter what the answer you say but- "what

>>> if?'

>>> You're shown that the warning is there. Then you ask why is it there.

>>

>> You have not read what I wrote.

>>

>> With Ubuntu you get the same warning even if no data is going to be lost.

>> What this does is stop newbies from installing it as they are going to

>> lose data (even though they aren't).

>> The experienced user will ignore the message as he knows it is talking

>> rubbish when it says it is going to remove data and will delete his

>> system.

>>

>> The messages are wrong!

>>

>> Its bad enough that they are cryptic but in the case of Ubuntu they are

>> *wrong* they do not apply to what is actually going to happen.

>> Is that clear enough?

>>

>> If you read the posts you will even see where I posted what the messages

>> said for the example where I selected use the entire disk and use the

>> free space and they are the *same*.

>

> It's up to the user to know what partitions are on what devices, so when

> the installed gives the message that partition x will be formatted, the

> user knows what was on that partition to start with.

>

> The warning is a general warning, indicating to the user any change he has

> made to a partition will result in the loss of any data on that drive.

>

> You don't seem to be able to comprehend the messages in context. I can

> only assume english is not your first language.

>

They are the *same* even though different things are being done to the disk.

I assume that although English is your first language you don't bother to

read things properly.

October 22, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:13:33 -0600, Doug W. wrote:

> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit

> posting about it on this NG.

For gawds sake learn how to read headers

comp.os.linux.misc,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,comp.os.linux.advocacy,

24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

For gawds sake direct your comment to the window troll that cross posted

that way to create this thread.

For gawds sake stop shouting.

For gawds sake stop top posting.

For gawds sake trim your posts.

For gawds sake and so on and so on

October 23, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

For gawds sake bugger off and die.

-

"Exeter" <netcon@abz.invalid> wrote in message

news:ga9p0zfsjp6e$.1jdbzggvki4dd.dlg@40tude.net...

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:13:33 -0600, Doug W. wrote:

>

>> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit

>> posting about it on this NG.

>

> For gawds sake learn how to read headers

> comp.os.linux.misc,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,comp.os.linux.advocacy,

> 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

>

> For gawds sake direct your comment to the window troll that

> cross posted

> that way to create this thread.

>

> For gawds sake stop shouting.

>

> For gawds sake stop top posting.

>

> For gawds sake trim your posts.

>

> For gawds sake and so on and so on

October 23, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

In article <e71MZ$JFIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, greenjungle2007-

moron@yahoo.com.au.donotspam says...

> Alias wrote:

> > Doug W. wrote:

> >> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit posting

> >> about it on this NG.

> >> -

> >

> > New to Usenet?

> >

>

> This is why I hate this forum.

Just create a filter for your usenet client that removes, hides, for the

Microsoft Groups only, posts that contain the following and it will be a

MUCH nicer experience:

Subject contains "Linux"

Or

Subject contains "Ubuntu"

Or

Body contains "Ubuntu"

Or

Body contains "Linux"

Or

From contains "Adam Albright"

--

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

October 23, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Leythos wrote:

> In article <e71MZ$JFIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, greenjungle2007-

> moron@yahoo.com.au.donotspam says...

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Doug W. wrote:

>>>> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit posting

>>>> about it on this NG.

>>>> -

>>> New to Usenet?

>>>

>> This is why I hate this forum.

>

> Just create a filter for your usenet client that removes, hides, for the

> Microsoft Groups only, posts that contain the following and it will be a

> MUCH nicer experience:

>

> Subject contains "Linux"

> Or

> Subject contains "Ubuntu"

> Or

> Body contains "Ubuntu"

> Or

> Body contains "Linux"

> Or

> From contains "Adam Albright"

>

October 23, 2007

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Yes, I know all about filters and a bit about idiots as

well...those who cross-post to every blinking NG on the planet

because THEIR spiel is so damned important and earth shaking.

-

Doug W.

-

"Adam He-Is-Mosses Albright"

<YesMossesIsAmongstUs@LetMyPeopleGo.net> wrote in message

news:Ok5YHqWFIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <e71MZ$JFIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,

>> greenjungle2007-

>> moron@yahoo.com.au.donotspam says...

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Doug W. wrote:

>>>>> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake

>>>>> quit posting about it on this NG.

>>>>> -

>>>> New to Usenet?

>>>>

>>> This is why I hate this forum.

>>

>> Just create a filter for your usenet client that removes,

>> hides, for the Microsoft Groups only, posts that contain the

>> following and it will be a MUCH nicer experience:

>>

>> Subject contains "Linux"

>> Or

>> Subject contains "Ubuntu"

>> Or

>> Body contains "Ubuntu"

>> Or

>> Body contains "Linux"

>> Or

>> From contains "Adam Albright"

>>

>

> <LOL -- that about covers it. And make sure you get Adam

> Mosses <g>>

March 28, 2008

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> stated in post 13hee7ebru8sn95@news.supernews.com

on 10/18/07 3:43 AM:

> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:24:13 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>

>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>> news:uOSdnfizv4RUE4vanZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@giganews.com...

>>

>>> And honestly, I find "...this will destroy all data..." to be more than

>>> clear enough. If someone can't understand the meaning of that I wonder

>>> if they should be allowed to operate a toaster...nevermind actually

>>> installing an operating system.

>>

>> Well yes its perfectly clear as long as you know what "data" is. So even

>> a simple statement like that is assuming the user is computer literate.

>> I can easily see people thinking "well I didn't buy any data so I don't

>> have any to destroy".

>> Its easy to make assumptions when you know about a subject.

>

> If a person is that illiterate, that person should not install an

> operating system. Period. Not Windows. Not OS X. Not Linux. That person

> should take his box to a store or a technician or someone that know what

> they are doing.

A challenge Linux has that OS X and Windows do not is that most people who

use Linux do not have a machine with the OS pre-installed.

--

Try not to become a man of success, but rather try to become a man of value.

--Albert Einstein

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