Guest Paradoxdb3 Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 I was recently reading posts on the msfn.org and read a few things that I thought this community might know about (maybe there are some people from here who go there also). The first thing was that Windows 98 SE will soon be "dead" to the internet. It will no longer be able to connect to newer websites that require a newer browser/flash player and shuch. And since IE7 cannot be installed on Windows 98, Windows 98 will soon be unable to be used for this purpose. Then there were unofficial service packs which apparently allowed for XP-only software to be installed on Windows 98 SE. (There's also a service pack called Revolutions Pack or RP for short which allows Windows 98 to use 32 bit icons in the task bar and tool bar...screenshots were also included and it makes Windows 98 look like Vista!) Does anyone know anything about these service packs? Should I avoid these, or are they safe to use? Lastly, there was a post about Microsoft getting rid of the registry in the next version operating system...it that true? What will that mean to old software? Will software companies have to rewrite their products? Thanks, I think that's it.
Guest MEB Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 Re: How long will it last? "Paradoxdb3" <Paradoxdb3@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D473AAA7-0B4B-49DE-A76C-11FE82749BF4@microsoft.com... | I was recently reading posts on the msfn.org and read a few things that I | thought this community might know about (maybe there are some people from | here who go there also). | | The first thing was that Windows 98 SE will soon be "dead" to the internet. | It will no longer be able to connect to newer websites that require a newer | browser/flash player and shuch. And since IE7 cannot be installed on Windows | 98, Windows 98 will soon be unable to be used for this purpose. Not true, IE 6 will be dead but Win98 can still be used as long as other browsers are used. One aspect though, is Microsoft continuing to attempt to require its browser upon its own Microsoft servers. It is sometimes difficult for third party browsers to mimick or use Microsoft specific aspects. So far support is carried through, as these browsers are NOT embedded in the operating system making most of the code specific to the application NOT the OS [which is as it should be]. | | Then there were unofficial service packs which apparently allowed for | XP-only software to be installed on Windows 98 SE. (There's also a service | pack called Revolutions Pack or RP for short which allows Windows 98 to use | 32 bit icons in the task bar and tool bar...screenshots were also included | and it makes Windows 98 look like Vista!) Does anyone know anything about | these service packs? Should I avoid these, or are they safe to use? As with any *unofficial* modification, user beware. Some may or may NOT work as presented. Exactly how they work within the individual system, largely depends upon its present configuration. Moreover, the creators tend to include things THEY like in the packs [such as visual changes] which you may not appreciate. Additionally, support for these unofficial packs may not be all that great should something go wrong after an installation with either the OS or any application used therein. | | Lastly, there was a post about Microsoft getting rid of the registry in the | next version operating system...it that true? What will that mean to old | software? Will software companies have to rewrite their products? | | Thanks, I think that's it. Technically the registry is already gone, now its called hives. As for the next-generation software? Know one really knows for sure, but there is a major processor change in the works which WILL need an entirely new OS. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________
Guest Tim Slattery Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 Re: How long will it last? "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote: > Technically the registry is already gone, now its called hives. AFAIK, the registry is composed of hives. A hive is a key and all the keys under it in the registry's tree structure. -- Tim Slattery MS MVP(DTS) Slattery_T@bls.gov http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
Guest Paradoxdb3 Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Re: How long will it last? MEB...Am I understanding correctly here? As long as there's a browser for Windows 98, then I can safely use the internet? Currently I use Firefox 2. Is that good? Then what happens when no more browsers will work under Windows 98? Time to upgrade, I guess, hey! As far as unofficial service packs, I feel leary using them. Do you use one or have you ever used one? Any recommendations? Maybe I should just leave it alone, since I'm happy with my Windows 98 experience. "MEB" wrote: > > > "Paradoxdb3" <Paradoxdb3@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:D473AAA7-0B4B-49DE-A76C-11FE82749BF4@microsoft.com... > | I was recently reading posts on the msfn.org and read a few things that I > | thought this community might know about (maybe there are some people from > | here who go there also). > | > | The first thing was that Windows 98 SE will soon be "dead" to the > internet. > | It will no longer be able to connect to newer websites that require a > newer > | browser/flash player and shuch. And since IE7 cannot be installed on > Windows > | 98, Windows 98 will soon be unable to be used for this purpose. > > Not true, IE 6 will be dead but Win98 can still be used as long as other > browsers are used. One aspect though, is Microsoft continuing to attempt to > require its browser upon its own Microsoft servers. It is sometimes > difficult for third party browsers to mimick or use Microsoft specific > aspects. > So far support is carried through, as these browsers are NOT embedded in > the operating system making most of the code specific to the application NOT > the OS [which is as it should be]. > > | > | Then there were unofficial service packs which apparently allowed for > | XP-only software to be installed on Windows 98 SE. (There's also a > service > | pack called Revolutions Pack or RP for short which allows Windows 98 to > use > | 32 bit icons in the task bar and tool bar...screenshots were also included > | and it makes Windows 98 look like Vista!) Does anyone know anything about > | these service packs? Should I avoid these, or are they safe to use? > > As with any *unofficial* modification, user beware. Some may or may NOT > work as presented. Exactly how they work within the individual system, > largely depends upon its present configuration. Moreover, the creators tend > to include things THEY like in the packs [such as visual changes] which you > may not appreciate. > > Additionally, support for these unofficial packs may not be all that great > should something go wrong after an installation with either the OS or any > application used therein. > > | > | Lastly, there was a post about Microsoft getting rid of the registry in > the > | next version operating system...it that true? What will that mean to old > | software? Will software companies have to rewrite their products? > | > | Thanks, I think that's it. > > Technically the registry is already gone, now its called hives. > > As for the next-generation software? Know one really knows for sure, but > there is a major processor change in the works which WILL need an entirely > new OS. > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > ________ > > > >
Guest MEB Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Re: How long will it last? "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message news:te0qh3pfqoa2lqlq7t2l73rudqik8soten@4ax.com... | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote: | | | > Technically the registry is already gone, now its called hives. | | AFAIK, the registry is composed of hives. A hive is a key and all the | keys under it in the registry's tree structure. | | -- | Tim Slattery | MS MVP(DTS) | Slattery_T@bls.gov | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt I think the reference was to the user.dat and system.dat, seems the newer OSs handle portions of that somewhat differently don't they. Particularly when related to individual user aspects. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________
Guest MEB Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Re: How long will it last? "Paradoxdb3" <Paradoxdb3@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A843D27F-11E0-4FFA-B9EC-BDE7A99F769C@microsoft.com... | MEB...Am I understanding correctly here? As long as there's a browser for | Windows 98, then I can safely use the internet? Currently I use Firefox 2. | Is that good? Then what happens when no more browsers will work under | Windows 98? Time to upgrade, I guess, hey! You can as long as your careful, check for spyware, have Anti-V, and keep track of what going on *under the hood*, then the supported browsers provide much better security than IE 6 SP1 as it was left by Microsoft. Microsoft has continued to supply dozens of updates to IE 6, so that should tell you something. If your behind a firewall and preferably a router as well, then 9X is fine for awhile longer preferably using another browser.. Of course if you're going to ,, ah,, questionable sites then obviously you may have some difficulties, but no more than you would with another OS. | | As far as unofficial service packs, I feel leary using them. Do you use one | or have you ever used one? Any recommendations? Maybe I should just leave | it alone, since I'm happy with my Windows 98 experience. | Well, that's probably best for now. Yes, I have tested several, which is why I warned about potential issues you may not like. Though each has numerous users who will *swear* by the modifications, when it comes to potential conflicts, often you're on your own. Its the same as when Microsoft changed the code in 98 and some of the older programs quit working... 982ME, MDCU, and some others MAY be something you might want to look into, however, do so AFTER you have backed-up or imaged in case you want to go back to what you had. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________ | "MEB" wrote: | | > | > | > "Paradoxdb3" <Paradoxdb3@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message | > news:D473AAA7-0B4B-49DE-A76C-11FE82749BF4@microsoft.com... | > | I was recently reading posts on the msfn.org and read a few things that I | > | thought this community might know about (maybe there are some people from | > | here who go there also). | > | | > | The first thing was that Windows 98 SE will soon be "dead" to the | > internet. | > | It will no longer be able to connect to newer websites that require a | > newer | > | browser/flash player and shuch. And since IE7 cannot be installed on | > Windows | > | 98, Windows 98 will soon be unable to be used for this purpose. | > | > Not true, IE 6 will be dead but Win98 can still be used as long as other | > browsers are used. One aspect though, is Microsoft continuing to attempt to | > require its browser upon its own Microsoft servers. It is sometimes | > difficult for third party browsers to mimick or use Microsoft specific | > aspects. | > So far support is carried through, as these browsers are NOT embedded in | > the operating system making most of the code specific to the application NOT | > the OS [which is as it should be]. | > | > | | > | Then there were unofficial service packs which apparently allowed for | > | XP-only software to be installed on Windows 98 SE. (There's also a | > service | > | pack called Revolutions Pack or RP for short which allows Windows 98 to | > use | > | 32 bit icons in the task bar and tool bar...screenshots were also included | > | and it makes Windows 98 look like Vista!) Does anyone know anything about | > | these service packs? Should I avoid these, or are they safe to use? | > | > As with any *unofficial* modification, user beware. Some may or may NOT | > work as presented. Exactly how they work within the individual system, | > largely depends upon its present configuration. Moreover, the creators tend | > to include things THEY like in the packs [such as visual changes] which you | > may not appreciate. | > | > Additionally, support for these unofficial packs may not be all that great | > should something go wrong after an installation with either the OS or any | > application used therein. | > | > | | > | Lastly, there was a post about Microsoft getting rid of the registry in | > the | > | next version operating system...it that true? What will that mean to old | > | software? Will software companies have to rewrite their products? | > | | > | Thanks, I think that's it. | > | > Technically the registry is already gone, now its called hives. | > | > As for the next-generation software? Know one really knows for sure, but | > there is a major processor change in the works which WILL need an entirely | > new OS. | > | > -- | > MEB | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > ________ | > | > | > | >
Guest Tim Slattery Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Re: How long will it last? Paradoxdb3 <Paradoxdb3@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >MEB...Am I understanding correctly here? As long as there's a browser for >Windows 98, then I can safely use the internet? Of course. You'll want to run an antivirus program, as MEB says. > Currently I use Firefox 2. Is that good? Very good. >Then what happens when no more browsers will work under >Windows 98? Time to upgrade, I guess, hey! Yeah, but I think that will be a while yet. Even then, you'll still be able to surf the net and access many sites. Not all will use some snazzy new feature that your browser doesn't know about. >As far as unofficial service packs, I feel leary using them. Do you use one >or have you ever used one? Not entirely sure what you mean. I'd be hesitant (at least) to use anything that styles itself a "service pack", but doesn't come from MS. -- Tim Slattery MS MVP(DTS) Slattery_T@bls.gov http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
Guest Paradoxdb3 Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Re: How long will it last? Thanks guys, for the replies. The only bit of advice I am currently not using right now is the antivirus advice. I don't use any right now. I've also posted this on a thread called "Sacanreg /backup" "Tim Slattery" wrote: > Paradoxdb3 <Paradoxdb3@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >MEB...Am I understanding correctly here? As long as there's a browser for > >Windows 98, then I can safely use the internet? > > Of course. You'll want to run an antivirus program, as MEB says. > > > Currently I use Firefox 2. Is that good? > > Very good. > > >Then what happens when no more browsers will work under > >Windows 98? Time to upgrade, I guess, hey! > > Yeah, but I think that will be a while yet. Even then, you'll still be > able to surf the net and access many sites. Not all will use some > snazzy new feature that your browser doesn't know about. > > >As far as unofficial service packs, I feel leary using them. Do you use one > >or have you ever used one? > > Not entirely sure what you mean. I'd be hesitant (at least) to use > anything that styles itself a "service pack", but doesn't come from > MS. > > -- > Tim Slattery > MS MVP(DTS) > Slattery_T@bls.gov > http://members.cox.net/slatteryt >
Guest 98 Guy Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 How long will Windows-98 last (inferior subect line change) How long will Windows-98 last (inferior subect line change) Note that I changed the subject line to something more informative. Most people appreciate a descriptive subject line when reading usenet postings. Paradoxdb3 wrote: > The first thing was that Windows 98 SE will soon be "dead" to the > internet. That thread on MSFN has been largely discredited. > And since IE7 cannot be installed on Windows 98 And neither can it be installed on Windows 2K, which means MicroShaft will have to keep supporting IE6 for a few more years (up to the point when they stop supporting win-2K). > Windows 98 will soon be unable to be used for this purpose. An unsupported conclusion based on faulty knowledge. > Does anyone know anything about these service packs? Should I > avoid these, or are they safe to use? You don't have to use the service packs. You can obtain a handful of Windows-2K updates for IE6, unpack them, and transplant the files onto your win-98 system yourself. > Am I understanding correctly here? As long as there's a browser > for Windows 98, then I can safely use the internet? > Then what happens when no more browsers will work under > Windows 98? Time to upgrade, I guess, hey! The premis of your questions borders on the absurd - almost trollish. You have posted similar security-related questions in microsoft.public.win98.internet. I have posted a reply there to one of your posts.
Guest ... et al. Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 Re: How long will Windows-98 last (inferior subect line change) Re: How long will Windows-98 last (inferior subect line change) 98 Guy wrote: > Paradoxdb3 wrote: [snip] > >> And since IE7 cannot be installed on Windows 98 > > And neither can it be installed on Windows 2K, which means MicroShaft > will have to keep supporting IE6 for a few more years (up to the point > when they stop supporting win-2K). As an alternative perhaps ms /could/ provide an official way to unbundle and uninstall the perennial security-risk (Internet Explorer) from Win2k0 (and hopefully from Win98xE as well). Perish the thought. -- Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion. Please followup in the newsgroup. E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.
Guest Dan Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 Re: How long will Windows-98 last (inferior subect line change) Re: How long will Windows-98 last (inferior subect line change) <test post> My first response never showed up about this. Windows 98 Second Edition is a great operating system. You can just go to secunia.com and see that Windows 98 Second Edition is safer than XP Professional. Mozilla Firefox is better than Internet Explorer with its 256 bit AES encryption. I posted 10 steps and I don't know why they did not show up unless they are somewhere else. "... et al." wrote: > 98 Guy wrote: > > > Paradoxdb3 wrote: > > [snip] > > > > >> And since IE7 cannot be installed on Windows 98 > > > > And neither can it be installed on Windows 2K, which means MicroShaft > > will have to keep supporting IE6 for a few more years (up to the point > > when they stop supporting win-2K). > > As an alternative perhaps ms /could/ provide an official way to > unbundle and uninstall the perennial security-risk (Internet > Explorer) from Win2k0 (and hopefully from Win98xE as well). > > Perish the thought. > > > -- > Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion. > > Please followup in the newsgroup. > E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control. >
Guest Dan Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 RE: How long will Windows-98 last (inferior subect line change) RE: How long will Windows-98 last (inferior subect line change) It would be a better subject line but why not add something useful to your post 98 Guy and not just blame people. I guess I have another post to report now.
Guest teebo Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Re: How long will Windows-98 last (inferior subect line change) Re: How long will Windows-98 last (inferior subect line change) >> The first thing was that Windows 98 SE will soon be "dead" to the >> internet. > > That thread on MSFN has been largely discredited. noone sane uses InternetExplorer, but what is more important is that there is currently no version of Firefox3 for win9x. (besides, IE7 is ugly) Of course, HTML is made to be both backward- and forward- compatible so that if a browser don't support for example images, the webpage have to have an alternative text, you should code your webpages so that it works even if the user don't have javascript with the <noscript> -tag etc. The problem is that some "webmasters" don't do as they should... Lets say that it gets incredibly popular to have all-SVG-pages in the future (like those horriful all-flash-pages today that I refuse to vist) and noone makes a SVG-plugin for firefox2 and latest opera for win9x.... (Ok, they already have SVG-support but the next thing after SVG then) sure, it have nothing to do with the operatingsystem itself but what os your favorite program supports. Tell me how to run latest version of 3DsMax on win98 please... >> And since IE7 cannot be installed on Windows 98 > > And neither can it be installed on Windows 2K, which means MicroShaft > will have to keep supporting IE6 for a few more years (up to the point > when they stop supporting win-2K). extended support for windows 2000 ends at 2010-07-13 so we have to accept that there are huge amounts of people using IE6 until then I guess ;-) (yes I know, people won't stop using IE6 just because ms say so but it would be nice if there were less than 5% using IE6 in 2011. and don't get me wrong, NCSA Mosaic is still a nice browser) about ms support... if I understand right current end-of-life date for XP is 2014-04-08? (but you can't buy XP after 2009-01-31) what is "Mainstream Support"? (ends April 2009 now) >> Does anyone know anything about these service packs? Should I >> avoid these, or are they safe to use? if you need some functionality in a servicepack, you should of course use them (or their parts if you don't need all). And about safety - they have the same safety as Microsofts own things. [ok microsofts things don't tend to be that safe whatsoever and I don't trust MS one tiny bit, so perhaps I should say "they are probably more safe than the stuff microsoft do, and they don't try to sneak in things like ms update do"] And since you still are using Windows, you are still nowhere near "safe" of course :-D > You don't have to use the service packs. You can obtain a handful of > Windows-2K updates for IE6, unpack them, and transplant the files onto > your win-98 system yourself. > >> Am I understanding correctly here? As long as there's a browser >> for Windows 98, then I can safely use the internet? >> Then what happens when no more browsers will work under >> Windows 98? Time to upgrade, I guess, hey! > > The premis of your questions borders on the absurd - almost trollish. yes it is strange that there is people that still thinks that Internet = Web = InternetExplorer :-) but on the other hand since lot of people don't know what is "computer" and "keyboard" and "monitor" I guess it is more strange that they don't say "should I send an outlook to you?" when they mean email.... my own mother have problems understanding what I say when I say "press right mouse button. (no! the right button. riiight!! the RIGHT button!)" and this is in an language where the words "left" and "right" don't have any other meaning like in english. (A language where you can't have the joke "if I have pressed all the wrong buttons and there is only one left, then that is the right one even if it is the left one, right?" or something.......) booring? But really, I guess todays computers are too complicated to use for people who are not intersted in computers like you and me. Why should they have to learn how to do and what things are called. They don't want to learn about computers, just use them. and probably as little as possible. they want to learn about flowers or chemistry or brain surgeon or something.. not how to use computers. The same people that thinks "programming" a video recorder for the TV is hard. Sure, *I* don't want to use a the kind of computer they need but... but let for the sake of mathematics anlayse the question. A= there exists a browser that can be run in Windows 98 B= that browser can show special media contents (say some new video format) that exist on some important web page I like (implied) C= it is safe to use the internet (with win98 and that browser) will A ^ B -> C ??? noo....... >> Then what happens when no more browsers will work under >> Windows 98? Time to upgrade, I guess, hey! You will probably have other problems before that. your old computer is to slow for the new three dimensional HDTV browser based menu games that your favourite blogging site have changed to, so you decide to but a new one. but the new motherboard have no drivers for win98... or something
Guest teebo Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Re: How long will it last? (Hmm... where did half of my (too long) text go... ok here is the rest) > Then there were unofficial service packs which apparently allowed for > XP-only software to be installed on Windows 98 SE. (There's also a > service I wouldn't call KernelEx (that you are thinking of) a "servicepack"... It is at version v0.3.2a and should work ok. I think the source code for it is ment to be released too if you want to check what it do. it is a work-in-progress so you should of course make a bakup of your Windows installation before you try it. > Lastly, there was a post about Microsoft getting rid of the registry in > the > next version operating system...it that true? What will that mean to old > software? Will software companies have to rewrite their products? even if microsoft in the future, say "Windows 2012 Maximus Edition Hyper plus" want to remove the registry idea completely because they have come to the conclusion that it was a bad idea to centralize all settings (or more probably that it isn't complicated^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h advanced enough), they can't. not without killing all support for most windows-programs. And if the new fancy version of Windows don't support programs that people allready use, most people tend to *not* buy the new windowsversion (poor microsoft.... ;-D ) What they can do is invent a new way of saving the registry-data in files on the disk, but as long as the api stays the same it doesn't mather.
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