Guest none Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 Recently installed 1.5GB ram in the laptop. Went to boot into SAFE mode last night and got the "windows cannot initialize, bla,bla, bla something about not enough memory". Well, 98Se works fine, just wanted to clean out some registry devices as the laptop has had numerous upgrades and I prefer not to have old HDDs listed, old CDROM/DVD etc. The SYSTEM.INI has the MaxPhysPage=40000 entry and tried lowering that to 20000 for safe mode but still Windows would not boot, so, is there any way to get 98 to boot to safe mode without physically removing a memory chip? Thanks Vic
Guest Ron Badour Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM Here's some info on ram you might find helpful: Over 512 mb or more of ram: "Out of Memory" Errors with Large Amounts of RAM Installed [Q253912] http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q253912 This article contains instructions which basically say: add this line in system.ini, under [vcache]: MaxFileCache=512000 *************************** 1 gb or more of ram: Error Message: Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows [Q184447] http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q184447 *************************** 1.5 gb or more of ram: Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM [Q304943] http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q304943 -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2008 "none" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message news:%23QuyB$GIIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Recently installed 1.5GB ram in the laptop. Went to boot into SAFE mode > last night and got the "windows cannot initialize, bla,bla, bla > something about not enough memory". > > Well, 98Se works fine, just wanted to clean out some registry devices as > the laptop has had numerous upgrades and I prefer not to have old HDDs > listed, old CDROM/DVD etc. > > The SYSTEM.INI has the MaxPhysPage=40000 entry and tried lowering that > to 20000 for safe mode but still Windows would not boot, so, is there > any way to get 98 to boot to safe mode without physically removing a > memory chip? > > Thanks > Vic > >
Guest teebo Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM > Recently installed 1.5GB ram in the laptop. Went to boot into SAFE mode > last night and got the "windows cannot initialize, bla,bla, bla > something about not enough memory". > > Well, 98Se works fine, just wanted to clean out some registry devices as sorry but win98 do not use system.ini (or at least not those lines) when you start in safe mode microsoft thought it be safer to ignore all your settings :-( > The SYSTEM.INI has the MaxPhysPage=40000 entry and tried lowering that > to 20000 for safe mode but still Windows would not boot, so, is there > any way to get 98 to boot to safe mode without physically removing a > memory chip? somewhere I have read that there is a commersial utility that patches win98 to work with more memory. There is a free demo-version that *only* work in safe mode http://members.aol.com/rloew1/Programs/Patchm.zip so you could probably try that one when you are dooing your systemcleaning (and then deinstall the utility afterwards so you can start in normal mode again)
Guest none Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM Great links guys, THANKS! Will have to look at R. Loew's patch. I bought a patch from him (for 98) to handle big drives. That was many years ago; it works perfectly (using the same PC right now. He also did a custom patch for the PC's BIOS which works perfectly (same PC I'm on, it's over 10 years old!). Been totally satisfied with his work. Maybe his latest patch will handle the memory issue as well. Thanks again! Vic ___ "none" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message news:#QuyB$GIIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Recently installed 1.5GB ram in the laptop. Went to boot into SAFE mode > last night and got the "windows cannot initialize, bla,bla, bla > something about not enough memory". > > Well, 98Se works fine, just wanted to clean out some registry devices as > the laptop has had numerous upgrades and I prefer not to have old HDDs > listed, old CDROM/DVD etc. > > The SYSTEM.INI has the MaxPhysPage=40000 entry and tried lowering that > to 20000 for safe mode but still Windows would not boot, so, is there > any way to get 98 to boot to safe mode without physically removing a > memory chip? > > Thanks > Vic > >
Guest Dan Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM Please let us know your experience with the memory patch and how well it works. It would be great to hear the positives and negatives regarding the patch. BTW, which were the other patches you liked and the system(s) you used them on. It is great for all of us to share our knowledge to make the group better able to help users of Windows 98 and 98 Second Edition in the future.
Guest none Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM Hi Dan Well, I feel pressured for time but appreciate your comments, I too have often thought the same with various posts. Bought the patch by R. Loew. The purchase version filename is PATCHMEM.ZIP. Cost is $20. Thought that was a little high, especially since I bought from Mr. Loew before and his price was $10 for patches. Oh well, inflation perhaps, but he does a nice job with mods! What have I bought? 1. a custom BIOS mod for an OLD Tyan S1590 MOBO BIOS (on it right now, it's my workhorse [every day] pc). Found a BIOS mod'ed by Jan Steunebrink. His mod allowed the MOBO to properly see and use certain features in a AMD *MOBILE* cpu. I have maxed out the MOBO with an AMD K6-III+ 550MHz (mobile cpu) overclocked to 600MHz. Works beautifully, runs cool, and it's the fastest CPU available for the board (largest L2 cache too). BUT, that BIOS did not allow drives over 137GB. That BIOS was from the year 2000 and Tyan did not release further BIOS updates! Loew was able to provide a patch for drives over 137GB to be recognized! In fact I have numerous 500GB drives which work fine here thanks to his patch (it was a custom). Here's his web page: http://members.aol.com/rloew1/ 2. Being a Windows 98 fan and needing BIG HDD's we needed a little work there too, so, it was time for his HIGH CAPACITY DISK PATCH for Win9x: http://members.aol.com/rloew1/Programs/Patch137.htm Works GREAT! 3. last, up to the current PC era with gigabytes of RAM being needed, and of course my unwillingness to give up Win98SE, had to find a way to not have to pull a memory stick on the notebook (IBM ThinkPad T41) to access Win98 safe mode (which I purposely do occasionally). Lo-and-behold, this group says ANOTHER patch is available from R. Loew which allows just that, the WINDOWS 98/SE/ME RAM LIMITATION PATCH! http://members.aol.com/rloew1/Programs/Patchm.htm How does it work you ask? Well, have not had a chance to play EXTENSIVELY with it so all I can say is Windows does boot with no errors, the system properties dialog says there is 1533.0 MB RAM onboard. The setup runs *ANY* BIG programs thrown at it like TOPO USA (topography software with 3D imaging), astronomy software like Redshift5 (really nice!), it plays DVD from HD just perfect (watching Armageddon FULL SCREEN right now [with Bruce Willis]). What else can I tell you ... just checked system resources and with all those programs open PLUS IE6 and OE, the resources are at 14% free. Seems the resource problem inherent in Win9x will be the only limitation now, at least for the way I use the PC! Hope that gives a little insight Vic PS: you wanted me to also mention the negatives with the RAM Limitation Patch; have not found any! ____ "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E1CAD1BD-5553-456F-B6E1-1854F4417D1A@microsoft.com... > Please let us know your experience with the memory patch and how well it > works. It would be great to hear the positives and negatives regarding the > patch. BTW, which were the other patches you liked and the system(s) you > used them on. It is great for all of us to share our knowledge to make the > group better able to help users of Windows 98 and 98 Second Edition in the > future.
Guest Dan Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM Windows 98 Second Edition does indeed have the resources limitation but the nice thing about it is that you can have so many things running and the operating system does not crash as you have found out in your case. I have noticied this as well. Windows XP Professional has in the past for me had problems when too many resources are used by slowing down greatly. I have not found this to be the case with Windows 98 Second Edition. Thank you for your comments.
Guest 98 Guy Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM none wrote: > Bought the patch by R. Loew. The purchase version filename is > PATCHMEM.ZIP. Cost is $20. Thought that was a little high, > especially since I bought from Mr. Loew before and his price > was $10 for patches. Oh well, inflation perhaps, but he does > a nice job with mods! Would you be willing to send me that file so I can put it on my fileden site and make it available for free? If so, then send it as an attachment to ninety8-guy at hot mail dot com.
Guest John John Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM 98 Guy wrote: > none wrote: > > >>Bought the patch by R. Loew. The purchase version filename is >>PATCHMEM.ZIP. Cost is $20. Thought that was a little high, >>especially since I bought from Mr. Loew before and his price >>was $10 for patches. Oh well, inflation perhaps, but he does >>a nice job with mods! > > > Would you be willing to send me that file so I can put it on my > fileden site and make it available for free? > > If so, then send it as an attachment to ninety8-guy at hot mail dot > com. Sheesh! Instead of pirating other peoples work why don't you make your own patch and give it to others? I won't get into the debate of whether or not Mr. Loew should give his work or make it public domain, that is his business, but until he does decide to give it away stealing his work is wrong! Are you so cheap that you can't part with $20? John
Guest 98 Guy Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM John John wrote: > > Would you be willing to send me that file so I can put it on > > my fileden site and make it available for free? > > Sheesh! Instead of pirating other peoples work why don't you > make your own patch and give it to others? That's no fun. > I won't get into the debate of whether or not Mr. Loew should > give his work or make it public domain, The time has long passed for that. By this point in time he has realistically earned more than 90% of what-ever the projected sum total would likely be if it remained private and closely controlled. > Are you so cheap that you can't part with $20? I actually don't need it because I use large SATA drives (not IDE/PATA). And even if I did need it, I can resort to using the patches that were developed and made available through the msfn forum: http://www.msfn.org/board/Enable48BitLBA_Break_137Gb_barrier_t78592.html For which I've made available here: http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/26/1113604/readme.txt http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/26/1113604/4001111F.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/26/1113604/4001119F.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/26/1113604/4102001F.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/26/1113604/4102186F.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/26/1113604/4102222F.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/26/1113604/4102225F.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/26/1113604/4102226F.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/26/1113604/4903000F.ZIP Making the Loew version publically available is a service for the dwindling number of win-98 users. Is it a radical, or rogue thing to do? Sure. But so is a lot of things, like installing 98 using commonly available product keys.
Guest John John Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM 98 Guy wrote: > John John wrote: > > >>>Would you be willing to send me that file so I can put it on >>>my fileden site and make it available for free? >> >>Sheesh! Instead of pirating other peoples work why don't you >>make your own patch and give it to others? > > > That's no fun. > > >>I won't get into the debate of whether or not Mr. Loew should >>give his work or make it public domain, > > > The time has long passed for that. By this point in time he has > realistically earned more than 90% of what-ever the projected sum > total would likely be if it remained private and closely controlled. Whether or not the time has passed and what Mr. Loew may or may not have earned with his patches is irrelevant. It is his work and efforts and he owns it, if he wants to give it away that is his decision only to make. > Making the Loew version publically available is a service for the > dwindling number of win-98 users. Making Mr. Loew's patches publicly available is theft, plain and simple. You do not own that work and you have no right making it publicly available. What you are doing is no different than if I was to break into your bank account and serve myself then make the account information publicly available for others to go in and steal what might be left to be stolen. How would you like it if I was to steal your things? How would you like it if you had worked for 2 weeks of hard labour cutting and splitting firewood and while you were gone out one afternoon I were to come to your place and steal your wood? How would you feel if you had worked for six months perfecting the lowly carburetor so that it could burn 1 gallon of fuel per hundred kilometer and all of a sudden I were to make your secret publicly available, the logic being that carburetors are a thing of the past, fuel injectors are now the norm? Is it a radical, or rogue thing to > do? Sure. But so is a lot of things, like installing 98 using > commonly available product keys. That is also theft. As if stealing other peoples work for your own limited use isn't bad enough, making it publicly available for all others to steal is even worse, you are now actively participating in acts of piracy. John
Guest 98 Guy Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM Little John wrote: > > Is it a radical, or rogue thing to do? Sure. But so is a > > lot of things, like installing 98 using commonly available > > product keys. > > That is also theft. As if stealing other peoples work for your > own limited use isn't bad enough, making it publicly available > for all others to steal is even worse, That's what the internet is for. > you are now actively participating in acts of piracy. Is that supposed to phaze me?
Guest John John Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Re: SAFE mode with 1.5GB RAM 98 Guy wrote: > Little John wrote: > > >>>Is it a radical, or rogue thing to do? Sure. But so is a >>>lot of things, like installing 98 using commonly available >>>product keys. >> >>That is also theft. As if stealing other peoples work for your >>own limited use isn't bad enough, making it publicly available >>for all others to steal is even worse, > > > That's what the internet is for. > > >>you are now actively participating in acts of piracy. > > > Is that supposed to phaze me? I'm sure it doesn't. Any of the regulars here already know what fiber you are made of, this last post of your's simply makes it clearer that you have no respect for others, you are a thief. John
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