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Hi everyone,

 

I was thinking of installing a second hard drive or getting an external hard

drive for the purpose of backing up files. I have 2, 1.1 USB ports. One is

occupied by my APC battery backup and the other, I am using a Belkin 4 plug

in hub. What is the best way to go? Do I need drives for these options? What

do I need for this purpose.

 

I am running Windows 98SE on this machine.

 

TIA

 

Angel

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Guest Bill in Co.

Guest Bill in Co.

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Angel wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I was thinking of installing a second hard drive or getting an external

hard

> drive for the purpose of backing up files. I have 2, 1.1 USB ports. One

is

> occupied by my APC battery backup and the other, I am using a Belkin 4

plug

> in hub. What is the best way to go? Do I need drives for these options?

What

> do I need for this purpose.

>

> I am running Windows 98SE on this machine.

>

> TIA

>

> Angel

 

As I see it, you could either install a second HD, and/or use one of those

external USB HD enclosures (like some made by Vantec, for example), if you

got a USB 2.0 PCI card first. I don't think I'd try the latter approach

without first installing a USB 2.0 PCI card. That's what I did (well,

actually I have both - a second internal HD and a USB 2.0 external hard

drive enclosure with an IDE drive inside of it).

 

A possible caveat: if you go the external hard drive enclosure route

(well, at least in my case I found this to be true): I only connect it

(to the USB 2.0 PCI card) and turn it ON for backup purposes, and when done,

turn it off. If I leave the externrla enclosure drive powered on and

reboot the computer, for example, it screws up the boot process (even though

I'm pretty sure I tried to disable it in the boot sequence, but I'll have to

recheck that).

Guest Rod

Guest Rod

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"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

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> Hi everyone,

> I was thinking of installing a second hard drive or getting an external

hard

> drive for the purpose of backing up files.

 

Way to go!

I refer to this backing up as "duplication"

 

I have been extremely pleased with my set up.

(peace of mind)

Mine started off a while ago when I was getting cheap drives

from Playstations, now I use bigger drives as they are cheap.

 

I have an internal D drive which I use to duplicate/back up

when concience nags me, and can be done in a flash.

 

I have external hard drive cases as E and F, and are connected by

USB 1.1

Apparently my Asus board will not accomodate USB2.0

I have a 98,000 image base and a full duplication

of say 20 Gb takes about 3-4 hrs from memory.

 

I leave the cases unscrewed in the external drives

and can swap Hard drives at will.

 

I find leaving external dives switched on slows down

my system esp in explorer, so I just use them just

when necessary.

 

I have used this system for around 3 years, without a glitch

and am about to use a similar setup for XP, then I can take

advantage of USB2.0

 

Just my (amateur) experience

Rod.

Guest Franc Zabkar

Guest Franc Zabkar

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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:53:15 -0500, "Angel" <angel@noway.com> put

finger to keyboard and composed:

>Hi everyone,

>

>I was thinking of installing a second hard drive or getting an external hard

>drive for the purpose of backing up files. I have 2, 1.1 USB ports. One is

>occupied by my APC battery backup and the other, I am using a Belkin 4 plug

>in hub. What is the best way to go? Do I need drives for these options? What

>do I need for this purpose.

>

>I am running Windows 98SE on this machine.

>

>TIA

>

>Angel

 

IME USB 1.1 limits you to about 1MB/sec. That's about 17 mins per GB.

In my case a USB 2.0 HD achieves a transfer rate of about 20MB/s.

 

- Franc Zabkar

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Guest Bill in Co.

Guest Bill in Co.

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Franc Zabkar wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:53:15 -0500, "Angel" <angel@noway.com> put

> finger to keyboard and composed:

>

>> Hi everyone,

>>

>> I was thinking of installing a second hard drive or getting an external

hard

>> drive for the purpose of backing up files. I have 2, 1.1 USB ports. One

is

>> occupied by my APC battery backup and the other, I am using a Belkin 4

plug

>> in hub. What is the best way to go? Do I need drives for these options?

What

>> do I need for this purpose.

>>

>> I am running Windows 98SE on this machine.

>>

>> TIA

>>

>> Angel

>

> IME USB 1.1 limits you to about 1MB/sec. That's about 17 mins per GB.

> In my case a USB 2.0 HD achieves a transfer rate of about 20MB/s.

>

> - Franc Zabkar

 

Somewhat relatedly:

What's really strange (to me) is that even with my USB 2.0 PCI card, and a

USB external hard drive enclosure, when I use BING to make a backup

partition copy of my internal HD, it takes 40 minutes to copy 11 GB. Does

that make sense?? That implies a transfer rate of 0.275 GB per minute, or

275 MB per min, or about 4.6 MB per sec (not 20, like yours above).

Sounds slower than it should be to me, or maybe it works out slower at the

BING level (using a partition copy).

Guest Lil' Dave

Guest Lil' Dave

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If you have an open 5.25" bay, and a place to plug in the drive along

without use of a lengthy data cable, try a removable tray.

 

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"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

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> Hi everyone,

>

> I was thinking of installing a second hard drive or getting an external

> hard

> drive for the purpose of backing up files. I have 2, 1.1 USB ports. One

> is

> occupied by my APC battery backup and the other, I am using a Belkin 4

> plug

> in hub. What is the best way to go? Do I need drives for these options?

> What

> do I need for this purpose.

>

> I am running Windows 98SE on this machine.

>

> TIA

>

> Angel

>

>

Guest AlmostBob

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Copy just sends a data stream

BING verifies the data written matches the data read

extra processing? I dunno

 

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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Franc Zabkar wrote:

> > On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:53:15 -0500, "Angel" <angel@noway.com> put

> > finger to keyboard and composed:

> >

> >> Hi everyone,

> >>

> >> I was thinking of installing a second hard drive or getting an external

> hard

> >> drive for the purpose of backing up files. I have 2, 1.1 USB ports.

One

> is

> >> occupied by my APC battery backup and the other, I am using a Belkin 4

> plug

> >> in hub. What is the best way to go? Do I need drives for these options?

> What

> >> do I need for this purpose.

> >>

> >> I am running Windows 98SE on this machine.

> >>

> >> TIA

> >>

> >> Angel

> >

> > IME USB 1.1 limits you to about 1MB/sec. That's about 17 mins per GB.

> > In my case a USB 2.0 HD achieves a transfer rate of about 20MB/s.

> >

> > - Franc Zabkar

>

> Somewhat relatedly:

> What's really strange (to me) is that even with my USB 2.0 PCI card, and a

> USB external hard drive enclosure, when I use BING to make a backup

> partition copy of my internal HD, it takes 40 minutes to copy 11 GB.

Does

> that make sense?? That implies a transfer rate of 0.275 GB per minute,

or

> 275 MB per min, or about 4.6 MB per sec (not 20, like yours above).

> Sounds slower than it should be to me, or maybe it works out slower at the

> BING level (using a partition copy).

>

>

Guest MEB

Guest MEB

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Perhaps if a DOS real mode driver was used with Bing, greater speeds might

be achieved?

 

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"AlmostBob" <anonymous1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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| Copy just sends a data stream

| BING verifies the data written matches the data read

| extra processing? I dunno

|

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| "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

| news:OCLk8BeIIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| > Franc Zabkar wrote:

| > > On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:53:15 -0500, "Angel" <angel@noway.com> put

| > > finger to keyboard and composed:

| > >

| > >> Hi everyone,

| > >>

| > >> I was thinking of installing a second hard drive or getting an

external

| > hard

| > >> drive for the purpose of backing up files. I have 2, 1.1 USB ports.

| One

| > is

| > >> occupied by my APC battery backup and the other, I am using a Belkin

4

| > plug

| > >> in hub. What is the best way to go? Do I need drives for these

options?

| > What

| > >> do I need for this purpose.

| > >>

| > >> I am running Windows 98SE on this machine.

| > >>

| > >> TIA

| > >>

| > >> Angel

| > >

| > > IME USB 1.1 limits you to about 1MB/sec. That's about 17 mins per GB.

| > > In my case a USB 2.0 HD achieves a transfer rate of about 20MB/s.

| > >

| > > - Franc Zabkar

| >

| > Somewhat relatedly:

| > What's really strange (to me) is that even with my USB 2.0 PCI card, and

a

| > USB external hard drive enclosure, when I use BING to make a backup

| > partition copy of my internal HD, it takes 40 minutes to copy 11 GB.

| Does

| > that make sense?? That implies a transfer rate of 0.275 GB per minute,

| or

| > 275 MB per min, or about 4.6 MB per sec (not 20, like yours above).

| > Sounds slower than it should be to me, or maybe it works out slower at

the

| > BING level (using a partition copy).

| >

| >

|

|

Guest Bill in Co.

Guest Bill in Co.

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I don't know. But I also think it depends on my CPU speed. I have an

800 MHz computer - pretty slow by today's standards. I just have this

gut feeling that the CPU speed enters into this, even though the

"processing" seems minimal.

 

MEB wrote:

> Perhaps if a DOS real mode driver was used with Bing, greater speeds might

> be achieved?

>

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> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

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>

>

> "AlmostBob" <anonymous1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:%23JCgNQfIIHA.5860@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Copy just sends a data stream

>> BING verifies the data written matches the data read

>> extra processing? I dunno

>>

>> --

>> -- -- -- -- --

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>> Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.activescan.com

>> Panda online AntiSpyware Scan

>> http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/

>> Catalog of removal tools (1)

>> http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/

>> Catalog of removal tools (2)

>> http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/newsinfo/collateral.aspx?CID=40387

>> Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/

>> Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file

>> http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

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>> use

>> Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters

>> _

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:OCLk8BeIIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:53:15 -0500, "Angel" <angel@noway.com> put

>>>> finger to keyboard and composed:

>>>>

>>>>> Hi everyone,

>>>>>

>>>>> I was thinking of installing a second hard drive or getting an

external

>>>>> hard drive for the purpose of backing up files. I have 2, 1.1 USB

ports.

>>>>> One is occupied by my APC battery backup and the other, I am using a

>>>>> Belkin 4 plug in hub. What is the best way to go? Do I need drives for

>>>>> these options? What do I need for this purpose.

>>>>>

>>>>> I am running Windows 98SE on this machine.

>>>>>

>>>>> TIA

>>>>>

>>>>> Angel

>>>>

>>>> IME USB 1.1 limits you to about 1MB/sec. That's about 17 mins per GB.

>>>> In my case a USB 2.0 HD achieves a transfer rate of about 20MB/s.

>>>>

>>>> - Franc Zabkar

>>>

>>> Somewhat relatedly:

>>> What's really strange (to me) is that even with my USB 2.0 PCI card, and

a

>>> USB external hard drive enclosure, when I use BING to make a backup

>>> partition copy of my internal HD, it takes 40 minutes to copy 11 GB.

Does

>>> that make sense?? That implies a transfer rate of 0.275 GB per minute,

or

>>> 275 MB per min, or about 4.6 MB per sec (not 20, like yours above).

>>> Sounds slower than it should be to me, or maybe it works out slower at

the

>>> BING level (using a partition copy).

Guest Franc Zabkar

Guest Franc Zabkar

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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:23:37 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Perhaps if a DOS real mode driver was used with Bing, greater speeds might

>be achieved?

 

I found that version 2.15 of Panasonic's USPASPI.SYS driver in

conjunction with the "Motto Hairu" DOS Driver, Di1000dd.SYS, enabled

me to access an external USB 2.0 HD from within DOS.

 

My config.sys file had these two lines:

 

device=USBASPI.SYS

device=DI1000DD.SYS

 

The relevant files were extracted from these archives:

http://panasonic.co.jp/pcc/products/drive/other/driver/f2h_usb.exe

http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/mhairu.zip

 

- Franc Zabkar

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Guest Bill in Co.

Guest Bill in Co.

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And something else I wanted to add here:

If I leave the USB external drive connected and powered on and reboot, all

hell breaks loose, so to speak. It tries accessing the external USB

drive, DESPITE my only having enabled "Floppy", "CD-ROM", and "IDE" in BIOS.

I'm using an old Dell Dimension here, circa 2000.

 

Hmmm. Maybe by enabling IDE in BIOS it has to do this?, since the USB

external enclosure has an IDE hard drive inside of it? But that doesn't

sound right.

 

Bill in Co. wrote:

> I don't know. But I also think it depends on my CPU speed. I have an

> 800 MHz computer - pretty slow by today's standards. I just have this

> gut feeling that the CPU speed enters into this, even though the

> "processing" seems minimal.

>

> MEB wrote:

>> Perhaps if a DOS real mode driver was used with Bing, greater speeds

might

>> be achieved?

>>

>> --

>> MEB

>> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

>> ________

>>

>>

>> "AlmostBob" <anonymous1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23JCgNQfIIHA.5860@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Copy just sends a data stream

>>> BING verifies the data written matches the data read

>>> extra processing? I dunno

>>>

>>> --

>>> -- -- -- -- --

>>> Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de

>>> spybot http://www.safer-networking.org

>>> AVG free antivirus http://free.grisoft.com/

>>> Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan

>>> http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx

>>> Super Antispyware http://www.superantispyware.com/

>>> Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.activescan.com

>>> Panda online AntiSpyware Scan

>>> http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/

>>> Catalog of removal tools (1)

>>> http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/

>>> Catalog of removal tools (2)

>>> http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/newsinfo/collateral.aspx?CID=40387

>>> Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/

>>> Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file

>>> http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

>>> links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages

before

>>> use

>>> Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters

>>> _

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:OCLk8BeIIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:53:15 -0500, "Angel" <angel@noway.com> put

>>>>> finger to keyboard and composed:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Hi everyone,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I was thinking of installing a second hard drive or getting an

external

>>>>>> hard drive for the purpose of backing up files. I have 2, 1.1 USB

ports.

>>>>>> One is occupied by my APC battery backup and the other, I am using a

>>>>>> Belkin 4 plug in hub. What is the best way to go? Do I need drives

for

>>>>>> these options? What do I need for this purpose.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am running Windows 98SE on this machine.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> TIA

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Angel

>>>>>

>>>>> IME USB 1.1 limits you to about 1MB/sec. That's about 17 mins per GB.

>>>>> In my case a USB 2.0 HD achieves a transfer rate of about 20MB/s.

>>>>>

>>>>> - Franc Zabkar

>>>>

>>>> Somewhat relatedly:

>>>> What's really strange (to me) is that even with my USB 2.0 PCI card,

and a

>>>> USB external hard drive enclosure, when I use BING to make a backup

>>>> partition copy of my internal HD, it takes 40 minutes to copy 11 GB.

Does

>>>> that make sense?? That implies a transfer rate of 0.275 GB per

minute, or

>>>> 275 MB per min, or about 4.6 MB per sec (not 20, like yours above).

>>>> Sounds slower than it should be to me, or maybe it works out slower at

the

>>>> BING level (using a partition copy).

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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

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| On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:23:37 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

| put finger to keyboard and composed:

|

| >Perhaps if a DOS real mode driver was used with Bing, greater speeds

might

| >be achieved?

|

| I found that version 2.15 of Panasonic's USPASPI.SYS driver in

| conjunction with the "Motto Hairu" DOS Driver, Di1000dd.SYS, enabled

| me to access an external USB 2.0 HD from within DOS.

|

| My config.sys file had these two lines:

|

| device=USBASPI.SYS

| device=DI1000DD.SYS

|

| The relevant files were extracted from these archives:

| http://panasonic.co.jp/pcc/products/drive/other/driver/f2h_usb.exe

| http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/mhairu.zip

|

| - Franc Zabkar

| --

| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

Thanx Franc, figured you had that info scoped ... so how'd your DOS/98 and

DVR{? shoot forgot what it was} setup/mix go?

 

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Guest Franc Zabkar

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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:38:10 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

put finger to keyboard and composed:

>"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

>news:0ft6j35esceh4oi2isdcvmoci5v9cjab6v@4ax.com...

>| On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:23:37 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

>| put finger to keyboard and composed:

>|

>| >Perhaps if a DOS real mode driver was used with Bing, greater speeds

>might

>| >be achieved?

>|

>| I found that version 2.15 of Panasonic's USPASPI.SYS driver in

>| conjunction with the "Motto Hairu" DOS Driver, Di1000dd.SYS, enabled

>| me to access an external USB 2.0 HD from within DOS.

>|

>| My config.sys file had these two lines:

>|

>| device=USBASPI.SYS

>| device=DI1000DD.SYS

>|

>| The relevant files were extracted from these archives:

>| http://panasonic.co.jp/pcc/products/drive/other/driver/f2h_usb.exe

>| http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/mhairu.zip

>|

>| - Franc Zabkar

>

> Thanx Franc, figured you had that info scoped ... so how'd your DOS/98 and

>DVR{? shoot forgot what it was} setup/mix go?

 

Sorry for the belated response. My brother has been testing my

external USB HD enclosure on his XP box using USB 1.1. I don't know

which hardware he is using, but he managed to write 4GB of data

without problems. I've also confirmed that my enclosure works on an

Intel/XP box.

 

However, I still haven't been able to get anything working on either

of my DOS/Win98SE/SiS 7001/7002 boxes. The symptoms are the same

whether in DOS or Windows, whether I'm connecting with USB 1.1 or 2.0,

or whether I'm using the Maximus Decim or Windows/SiS drivers.

I've also purchased a second box with a different chipset which also

has similar problems, although not exactly the same. This second box

works on an Intel/XP machine. My second enclosure also has a firewire

interface which doesn't work either. The firewire card in my machine

has a non-SiS chipset.

 

So, in short, I've had no success. I'm not even sure whether I have a

hardware or a software problem, although the former looks more likely.

BTW, I've also tried a different brand of hard drive but the problem

remained the same.

 

I've given up for now until such time as I can experiment with an

XP/SiS box. Thanks for your interest anyway.

 

- Franc Zabkar

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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

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| On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:38:10 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

| put finger to keyboard and composed:

|

| >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

| >news:0ft6j35esceh4oi2isdcvmoci5v9cjab6v@4ax.com...

| >| On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:23:37 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

| >| put finger to keyboard and composed:

| >|

| >| >Perhaps if a DOS real mode driver was used with Bing, greater speeds

| >might

| >| >be achieved?

| >|

| >| I found that version 2.15 of Panasonic's USPASPI.SYS driver in

| >| conjunction with the "Motto Hairu" DOS Driver, Di1000dd.SYS, enabled

| >| me to access an external USB 2.0 HD from within DOS.

| >|

| >| My config.sys file had these two lines:

| >|

| >| device=USBASPI.SYS

| >| device=DI1000DD.SYS

| >|

| >| The relevant files were extracted from these archives:

| >| http://panasonic.co.jp/pcc/products/drive/other/driver/f2h_usb.exe

| >| http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/mhairu.zip

| >|

| >| - Franc Zabkar

|

| >

| > Thanx Franc, figured you had that info scoped ... so how'd your DOS/98

and

| >DVR{? shoot forgot what it was} setup/mix go?

|

| Sorry for the belated response. My brother has been testing my

| external USB HD enclosure on his XP box using USB 1.1. I don't know

| which hardware he is using, but he managed to write 4GB of data

| without problems. I've also confirmed that my enclosure works on an

| Intel/XP box.

|

| However, I still haven't been able to get anything working on either

| of my DOS/Win98SE/SiS 7001/7002 boxes. The symptoms are the same

| whether in DOS or Windows, whether I'm connecting with USB 1.1 or 2.0,

| or whether I'm using the Maximus Decim or Windows/SiS drivers.

| I've also purchased a second box with a different chipset which also

| has similar problems, although not exactly the same. This second box

| works on an Intel/XP machine. My second enclosure also has a firewire

| interface which doesn't work either. The firewire card in my machine

| has a non-SiS chipset.

|

| So, in short, I've had no success. I'm not even sure whether I have a

| hardware or a software problem, although the former looks more likely.

| BTW, I've also tried a different brand of hard drive but the problem

| remained the same.

|

| I've given up for now until such time as I can experiment with an

| XP/SiS box. Thanks for your interest anyway.

|

| - Franc Zabkar

| --

| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

 

Of course I'm interested,, please keep the group, okay me at least,

informed.

If there are USB issues which can't be resolved even AFTER a different hard

drive and enclosure, then there's potentially an issue with the Maximus

Decim driver at least.. though that SIS chip combination gets poor reviews

on the NET. Firewire would/should have negated that though, so really, I am

curious.... did the modified Firewire driver load?

Hmm, wait a minute, your errors were DOS Box related weren't they???

 

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Guest Franc Zabkar

Guest Franc Zabkar

Posted
Posted

Re: Install 2nd HD or External HD

 

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:35:25 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

put finger to keyboard and composed:

>

>"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

>news:4ms3k3pc6pmluto821lr939ujde4skm823@4ax.com...

>| On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:38:10 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

>| put finger to keyboard and composed:

>|

>| >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

>| >news:0ft6j35esceh4oi2isdcvmoci5v9cjab6v@4ax.com...

>| >| On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:23:37 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

>| >| put finger to keyboard and composed:

>| >|

>| >| >Perhaps if a DOS real mode driver was used with Bing, greater speeds

>| >might

>| >| >be achieved?

>| >|

>| >| I found that version 2.15 of Panasonic's USPASPI.SYS driver in

>| >| conjunction with the "Motto Hairu" DOS Driver, Di1000dd.SYS, enabled

>| >| me to access an external USB 2.0 HD from within DOS.

>| >|

>| >| My config.sys file had these two lines:

>| >|

>| >| device=USBASPI.SYS

>| >| device=DI1000DD.SYS

>| >|

>| >| The relevant files were extracted from these archives:

>| >| http://panasonic.co.jp/pcc/products/drive/other/driver/f2h_usb.exe

>| >| http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/mhairu.zip

>| >|

>| >| - Franc Zabkar

>|

>| >

>| > Thanx Franc, figured you had that info scoped ... so how'd your DOS/98

>and

>| >DVR{? shoot forgot what it was} setup/mix go?

>|

>| Sorry for the belated response. My brother has been testing my

>| external USB HD enclosure on his XP box using USB 1.1. I don't know

>| which hardware he is using, but he managed to write 4GB of data

>| without problems. I've also confirmed that my enclosure works on an

>| Intel/XP box.

>|

>| However, I still haven't been able to get anything working on either

>| of my DOS/Win98SE/SiS 7001/7002 boxes. The symptoms are the same

>| whether in DOS or Windows, whether I'm connecting with USB 1.1 or 2.0,

>| or whether I'm using the Maximus Decim or Windows/SiS drivers.

>| I've also purchased a second box with a different chipset which also

>| has similar problems, although not exactly the same. This second box

>| works on an Intel/XP machine. My second enclosure also has a firewire

>| interface which doesn't work either. The firewire card in my machine

>| has a non-SiS chipset.

>|

>| So, in short, I've had no success. I'm not even sure whether I have a

>| hardware or a software problem, although the former looks more likely.

>| BTW, I've also tried a different brand of hard drive but the problem

>| remained the same.

>|

>| I've given up for now until such time as I can experiment with an

>| XP/SiS box. Thanks for your interest anyway.

>|

>| - Franc Zabkar

>

>Of course I'm interested,, please keep the group, okay me at least,

>informed.

> If there are USB issues which can't be resolved even AFTER a different hard

>drive and enclosure, then there's potentially an issue with the Maximus

>Decim driver at least.. though that SIS chip combination gets poor reviews

>on the NET. Firewire would/should have negated that though, so really, I am

>curious.... did the modified Firewire driver load?

> Hmm, wait a minute, your errors were DOS Box related weren't they???

 

I've just received word from my brother this morning. He confirms that

his XP box has a PCChips motherboard with an SiS 7001 controller. So

now I'm really confused. :-(

 

At my end I have had no luck with either SiS 7001 or SiS 7002

controllers, in both earlier and later model PCChips and ECS

motherboards, whether in real DOS mode, or in a Win98SE DOS window, or

from within Explorer. In DOS mode I'm using the abovementioned

Panasonic driver, and in Win98SE I'm using the Maximus Decim driver

set.

 

FWIW, my two external USB enclosures are based on the JMicron JM20337

"Hi Speed USB to SATA & PATA Combo Bridge" and the Prolific Technology

PL-3507 "Hi-speed USB & IEEE1394 combo to IDE bridge controller".

 

- Franc Zabkar

--

Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Guest MEB

Guest MEB

Posted
Posted

Re: Install 2nd HD or External HD

 

 

 

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

news:fo7hk35a80cv0d5o52t9op1ka0t716essp@4ax.com...

| On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:35:25 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

| put finger to keyboard and composed:

|

| >

| >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

| >news:4ms3k3pc6pmluto821lr939ujde4skm823@4ax.com...

| >| On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:38:10 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

| >| put finger to keyboard and composed:

| >|

| >| >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

| >| >news:0ft6j35esceh4oi2isdcvmoci5v9cjab6v@4ax.com...

| >| >| On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:23:37 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

| >| >| put finger to keyboard and composed:

| >| >|

| >| >| >Perhaps if a DOS real mode driver was used with Bing, greater

speeds

| >| >might

| >| >| >be achieved?

| >| >|

| >| >| I found that version 2.15 of Panasonic's USPASPI.SYS driver in

| >| >| conjunction with the "Motto Hairu" DOS Driver, Di1000dd.SYS, enabled

| >| >| me to access an external USB 2.0 HD from within DOS.

| >| >|

| >| >| My config.sys file had these two lines:

| >| >|

| >| >| device=USBASPI.SYS

| >| >| device=DI1000DD.SYS

| >| >|

| >| >| The relevant files were extracted from these archives:

| >| >| http://panasonic.co.jp/pcc/products/drive/other/driver/f2h_usb.exe

| >| >| http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/mhairu.zip

| >| >|

| >| >| - Franc Zabkar

| >|

| >| >

| >| > Thanx Franc, figured you had that info scoped ... so how'd your

DOS/98

| >and

| >| >DVR{? shoot forgot what it was} setup/mix go?

| >|

| >| Sorry for the belated response. My brother has been testing my

| >| external USB HD enclosure on his XP box using USB 1.1. I don't know

| >| which hardware he is using, but he managed to write 4GB of data

| >| without problems. I've also confirmed that my enclosure works on an

| >| Intel/XP box.

| >|

| >| However, I still haven't been able to get anything working on either

| >| of my DOS/Win98SE/SiS 7001/7002 boxes. The symptoms are the same

| >| whether in DOS or Windows, whether I'm connecting with USB 1.1 or 2.0,

| >| or whether I'm using the Maximus Decim or Windows/SiS drivers.

| >| I've also purchased a second box with a different chipset which also

| >| has similar problems, although not exactly the same. This second box

| >| works on an Intel/XP machine. My second enclosure also has a firewire

| >| interface which doesn't work either. The firewire card in my machine

| >| has a non-SiS chipset.

| >|

| >| So, in short, I've had no success. I'm not even sure whether I have a

| >| hardware or a software problem, although the former looks more likely.

| >| BTW, I've also tried a different brand of hard drive but the problem

| >| remained the same.

| >|

| >| I've given up for now until such time as I can experiment with an

| >| XP/SiS box. Thanks for your interest anyway.

| >|

| >| - Franc Zabkar

| >

| >Of course I'm interested,, please keep the group, okay me at least,

| >informed.

| > If there are USB issues which can't be resolved even AFTER a different

hard

| >drive and enclosure, then there's potentially an issue with the Maximus

| >Decim driver at least.. though that SIS chip combination gets poor

reviews

| >on the NET. Firewire would/should have negated that though, so really, I

am

| >curious.... did the modified Firewire driver load?

| > Hmm, wait a minute, your errors were DOS Box related weren't they???

|

| I've just received word from my brother this morning. He confirms that

| his XP box has a PCChips motherboard with an SiS 7001 controller. So

| now I'm really confused. :-(

|

| At my end I have had no luck with either SiS 7001 or SiS 7002

| controllers, in both earlier and later model PCChips and ECS

| motherboards, whether in real DOS mode, or in a Win98SE DOS window, or

| from within Explorer. In DOS mode I'm using the abovementioned

| Panasonic driver, and in Win98SE I'm using the Maximus Decim driver

| set.

|

| FWIW, my two external USB enclosures are based on the JMicron JM20337

| "Hi Speed USB to SATA & PATA Combo Bridge" and the Prolific Technology

| PL-3507 "Hi-speed USB & IEEE1394 combo to IDE bridge controller".

|

| - Franc Zabkar

| --

| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

Hmm, another wrench thrown into the gearbox...

 

Let's see, had to run through some of those older postings [and previous

files you posted]::: seems you had either not properly installed the MD

driver OR it had failed to recognize the proper chipset/configuration

{though that may have been due, in part, to those BIOS manipulation issues

you were working on}. If you remember, you had to re-run one segment.

Did you thereafter run through a *complete removal* of the old orangeware

and MD driver setup, checking of course for registry residuals, and try a

complete reinstall with the newer MD driver? I haven't tested the 3.3 [or

3.2], but I am running the 3.1 at the moment.

 

I presume its safe to believe you have already checked the net for those

enclosure chipsets, and any potential issues. How did they *rate*?

Were there any 'slap in the face' issues?

 

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http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

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