Guest Frank Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 I need to start a logger application under Windows98 when the system is started in safe mode. I know that I have to use the registry key HKLOCALMACHINE\System \CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot but I don't know what to add. Perhaps a new Key under Minimal and Network keys with the name of the application? And so, where is the information about which program to launch? I need to launch a program .EXE in a specific folder. I tried with win.ini on [bOOT] section, keys run= and load= without any result. I tried also to prefix with a * the key that starts the application when OS is started in normal mode under HKEYLOCALMACHINE\Software \Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run with no result. Thanks.
Guest MEB Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 Re: Starting applications automatically in safe mode It would be instrumental to advise WHAT this application might be and what its function might be, as that MAY effect whether this can be achieved due to the minimal functions available within Safe Mode. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________ "Frank" <frank73@libero.it> wrote in message news:1194512641.829193.78090@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... | I need to start a logger application under Windows98 when the system | is started in safe mode. | I know that I have to use the registry key HKLOCALMACHINE\System | \CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot | but I don't know what to add. | Perhaps a new Key under Minimal and Network keys with the name of the | application? | And so, where is the information about which program to launch? | I need to launch a program .EXE in a specific folder. | I tried with win.ini on [bOOT] section, keys run= and load= without | any result. | I tried also to prefix with a * the key that starts the application | when OS is started in normal mode under HKEYLOCALMACHINE\Software | \Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run | with no result. | | | Thanks. |
Guest Frank Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 Re: Starting applications automatically in safe mode On 8 Nov, 18:20, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote: > It would be instrumental to advise WHAT this application might be and what > its function might be, as that MAY effect whether this can be achieved due > to the minimal functions available within Safe Mode. > > -- > MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > ________ > > "Frank" <fran...@libero.it> wrote in message > > news:1194512641.829193.78090@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... > | I need to start a logger application under Windows98 when the system > | is started in safe mode. > | I know that I have to use the registry key HKLOCALMACHINE\System > | \CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot > | but I don't know what to add. > | Perhaps a new Key under Minimal and Network keys with the name of the > | application? > | And so, where is the information about which program to launch? > | I need to launch a program .EXE in a specific folder. > | I tried with win.ini on [bOOT] section, keys run= and load= without > | any result. > | I tried also to prefix with a * the key that starts the application > | when OS is started in normal mode under HKEYLOCALMACHINE\Software > | \Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run > | with no result. > | > | > | Thanks. > | It is a trace application for tracing web-surfing and it is memory resident
Guest MEB Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Re: Starting applications automatically in safe mode A tracing application - IN SAFE MODE - for Internet access. Interesting, so you have configured Safe Mode to allow Internet access? In 98? May I ask why? So this is apparently Safe Mode with Networking? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________ "Frank" <frank73@libero.it> wrote in message news:1194601446.758080.248890@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... | On 8 Nov, 18:20, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote: | > It would be instrumental to advise WHAT this application might be and what | > its function might be, as that MAY effect whether this can be achieved due | > to the minimal functions available within Safe Mode. | > | > -- | > MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > ________ | > | > "Frank" <fran...@libero.it> wrote in message | > | > news:1194512641.829193.78090@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... | > | I need to start a logger application under Windows98 when the system | > | is started in safe mode. | > | I know that I have to use the registry key HKLOCALMACHINE\System | > | \CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot | > | but I don't know what to add. | > | Perhaps a new Key under Minimal and Network keys with the name of the | > | application? | > | And so, where is the information about which program to launch? | > | I need to launch a program .EXE in a specific folder. | > | I tried with win.ini on [bOOT] section, keys run= and load= without | > | any result. | > | I tried also to prefix with a * the key that starts the application | > | when OS is started in normal mode under HKEYLOCALMACHINE\Software | > | \Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run | > | with no result. | > | | > | | > | Thanks. | > | | | It is a trace application for tracing web-surfing and it is memory | resident |
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Re: Starting applications automatically in safe mode On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:04:01 -0800, Frank <frank73@libero.it> put finger to keyboard and composed: >I need to start a logger application under Windows98 when the system >is started in safe mode. >I know that I have to use the registry key HKLOCALMACHINE\System >\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot >but I don't know what to add. >Perhaps a new Key under Minimal and Network keys with the name of the >application? >And so, where is the information about which program to launch? >I need to launch a program .EXE in a specific folder. >I tried with win.ini on [bOOT] section, keys run= and load= without >any result. >I tried also to prefix with a * the key that starts the application >when OS is started in normal mode under HKEYLOCALMACHINE\Software >\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run >with no result. > > >Thanks. I searched for SafeBoot but most of the references where for malware that exploited this registry key. AFAICT, this key does not exist in Windows 98. I found these URLs to be useful: http://members.tripod.com/aliesther/how_do_i_start_my_computer_in_safemode.htm http://www.md4pc.com/questions/25.htm#Starting the Microsoft Windows® 98 Operating System in Safe Mode: I think the way to a solution is to find some flag that indicates whether the system is in safe or normal mode, test for this flag, and then execute your program if the flag is set. If you can't find such a flag, then it may be possible to create your own in an environment variable. For example, we know that autoexec.bat is executed in normal mode but is bypassed in safe mode. So I would add the following line to autoexec.bat: set bootmode=normal I would then create a .bat file, eg tracer.bat with this line: if not #%bootmode%==#normal start your_program Type ... start /? .... for a list of options. Add tracer.bat to the Run key in your registry (I haven't tried this) or add a link to this file in your Startup group in Start->Programs. Alternatively you could just create a shortcut (PIF) for the following command line: command /c if not #%bootmode%==#normal start your_program - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Frank Posted November 12, 2007 Posted November 12, 2007 Re: Starting applications automatically in safe mode On 10 Nov, 22:54, Franc Zabkar <fzab...@iinternode.on.net> wrote: > On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:04:01 -0800, Frank <fran...@libero.it> put > finger to keyboard and composed: > > > > > > >I need to start a logger application under Windows98 when the system > >is started in safe mode. > >I know that I have to use the registry key HKLOCALMACHINE\System > >\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot > >but I don't know what to add. > >Perhaps a new Key under Minimal and Network keys with the name of the > >application? > >And so, where is the information about which program to launch? > >I need to launch a program .EXE in a specific folder. > >I tried with win.ini on [bOOT] section, keys run= and load= without > >any result. > >I tried also to prefix with a * the key that starts the application > >when OS is started in normal mode under HKEYLOCALMACHINE\Software > >\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run > >with no result. > > >Thanks. > > I searched for SafeBoot but most of the references where for malware > that exploited this registry key. AFAICT, this key does not exist in > Windows 98. > > I found these URLs to be useful: > > http://members.tripod.com/aliesther/how_do_i_start_my_computer_in_saf...http://www.md4pc.com/questions/25.htm#Startingthe Microsoft Windows® > 98 Operating System in Safe Mode: > > I think the way to a solution is to find some flag that indicates > whether the system is in safe or normal mode, test for this flag, and > then execute your program if the flag is set. > > If you can't find such a flag, then it may be possible to create your > own in an environment variable. For example, we know that autoexec.bat > is executed in normal mode but is bypassed in safe mode. So I would > add the following line to autoexec.bat: > > set bootmode=normal > > I would then create a .bat file, eg tracer.bat with this line: > > if not #%bootmode%==#normal start your_program > > Type ... > > start /? > > ... for a list of options. > > Add tracer.bat to the Run key in your registry (I haven't tried this) > or add a link to this file in your Startup group in Start->Programs. > > Alternatively you could just create a shortcut (PIF) for the following > command line: > > command /c if not #%bootmode%==#normal start your_program > > - Franc Zabkar > -- > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.- Nascondi testo tra virgolette - > > - Mostra testo tra virgolette - What you suggest is not possible because you suggest to create a tracer.bat file. And then ? For running it in safe mode? You CANNOT place it on Run registry key because are bypassed when in safe mode. You CANNOT place in Startup group in Start->Programs because all items are bypassed when in safe mode. The PIF file is bypassed when in safe mode. So?
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted November 13, 2007 Posted November 13, 2007 Re: Starting applications automatically in safe mode On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:00:16 -0800, Frank <frank73@libero.it> put finger to keyboard and composed: >On 10 Nov, 22:54, Franc Zabkar <fzab...@iinternode.on.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:04:01 -0800, Frank <fran...@libero.it> put >> finger to keyboard and composed: >> >I need to start a logger application under Windows98 when the system >> >is started in safe mode. >> >I know that I have to use the registry key HKLOCALMACHINE\System >> >\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot >> >but I don't know what to add. >> >Perhaps a new Key under Minimal and Network keys with the name of the >> >application? >> >And so, where is the information about which program to launch? >> >I need to launch a program .EXE in a specific folder. >> >I tried with win.ini on [bOOT] section, keys run= and load= without >> >any result. >> >I tried also to prefix with a * the key that starts the application >> >when OS is started in normal mode under HKEYLOCALMACHINE\Software >> >\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run >> >with no result. >> >> >Thanks. >> >> I found these URLs to be useful: >> >> http://members.tripod.com/aliesther/how_do_i_start_my_computer_in_saf...http://www.md4pc.com/questions/25.htm#Startingthe Microsoft Windows® >> 98 Operating System in Safe Mode: >> >> I think the way to a solution is to find some flag that indicates >> whether the system is in safe or normal mode, test for this flag, and >> then execute your program if the flag is set. >> >> If you can't find such a flag, then it may be possible to create your >> own in an environment variable. For example, we know that autoexec.bat >> is executed in normal mode but is bypassed in safe mode. So I would >> add the following line to autoexec.bat: >> >> set bootmode=normal >> >> I would then create a .bat file, eg tracer.bat with this line: >> >> if not #%bootmode%==#normal start your_program >> Add tracer.bat to the Run key in your registry (I haven't tried this) >> or add a link to this file in your Startup group in Start->Programs. >> >> Alternatively you could just create a shortcut (PIF) for the following >> command line: >> >> command /c if not #%bootmode%==#normal start your_program >> >> - Franc Zabkar >> >> - Mostra testo tra virgolette - > > >What you suggest is not possible because you suggest to create a >tracer.bat file. And then ? For running it in safe mode? >You CANNOT place it on Run registry key because are bypassed when in >safe mode. >You CANNOT place in Startup group in Start->Programs because all items >are bypassed when in safe mode. >The PIF file is bypassed when in safe mode. > >So? Sorry, I didn't test any of my suggestions because every time I go into safe mode, my desktop settings are disturbed. Anyway, the links I referred to above made no mention of not executing the registry Run key or the Startup programs group. What I *did* find was a statement to the effect that the Shell and Drivers lines in the [boot] section of system.ini are still executed in safe mode, so I experimented by amending the Shell line as follows: shell=explorer.exe defrag.exe This resulted in both commands being executed, ie I had a normal desktop plus a defrag window. I also tried ... shell=tracer.bat .... where tracer.bat contained two lines ... c:\windows\explorer.exe command /k echo got here Unfortunately the latter case resulted in a blank desktop with a DOS Prompt window and an Explorer window (the same as you get when you type "explorer" in the Start->Run box). I suggest you try the line ... shell=explorer.exe tracer.bat .... with an autoexec.bat file amended as described earlier. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Frank Posted November 13, 2007 Posted November 13, 2007 Re: Starting applications automatically in safe mode No, you are wrong. What I *did* find was a statement to the effect that the Shell and Drivers lines in the [boot] section of system.ini are still executed in safe mode, Shell and Drivers lines are NOT executed in safe mode
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted November 13, 2007 Posted November 13, 2007 Re: Starting applications automatically in safe mode On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:19:07 -0800, Frank <frank73@libero.it> put finger to keyboard and composed: >No, you are wrong. >What I *did* find >was a statement to the effect that the Shell and Drivers lines in the >[boot] section of system.ini are still executed in safe mode, > >Shell and Drivers lines are NOT executed in safe mode Then I have no more ideas. Sorry. I searched for info on safe mode in Win98 but the best I could find was the following MSKB article for Win95. I assumed Win98 would behave similarly. Apparently that is not the case. How Windows 95 Performs a Safe-Mode Start: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/122051 "Note that although the [boot] section of the System.ini file is bypassed, the "shell=" and "drivers=" lines in the [boot] section are processed." If you can find an article that describes *exactly* what happens or does not happen in Win98 safe mode, I will be happy to try again. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted November 15, 2007 Posted November 15, 2007 Re: Starting applications automatically in safe mode On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:08:11 +1100, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:19:07 -0800, Frank <frank73@libero.it> put >finger to keyboard and composed: > >>No, you are wrong. >>What I *did* find >>was a statement to the effect that the Shell and Drivers lines in the >>[boot] section of system.ini are still executed in safe mode, >> >>Shell and Drivers lines are NOT executed in safe mode > >Then I have no more ideas. Sorry. > >I searched for info on safe mode in Win98 but the best I could find >was the following MSKB article for Win95. I assumed Win98 would behave >similarly. Apparently that is not the case. > >How Windows 95 Performs a Safe-Mode Start: > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/122051 > >"Note that although the [boot] section of the System.ini file is >bypassed, the "shell=" and "drivers=" lines in the [boot] section are >processed." > >If you can find an article that describes *exactly* what happens or >does not happen in Win98 safe mode, I will be happy to try again. In this thread ... http://www.syschat.com/no-mouse-in-safe-mode-w98-384.html .... one person writes that "Win98 does not start in safe mode with system.ini but with system.cb" (cb = cleanboot). His solution for adding mouse functionality to Windows 98 safe mode (???) was to edit the [boot] and [386Enh] sections of system.cb. The following MS document also describes how to edit system.cb to add functionality of your own choosing. Creating a New System.ini File Without Third-Party Drivers http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=140441 Maybe you could experiment by adding the following to system.cb: [boot} shell=explorer.exe clock.exe FWIW, my own system.cb has the following entries: [Keyboard] layout=kbdus.kbd [intl] ACP=1252 OEMCP=437 SystemLocale=00000c09 - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest PCR Posted November 15, 2007 Posted November 15, 2007 Re: Starting applications automatically in safe mode Franc Zabkar wrote: | On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:08:11 +1100, Franc Zabkar | <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: | |>On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:19:07 -0800, Frank <frank73@libero.it> put |>finger to keyboard and composed: |> |>>No, you are wrong. |>>What I *did* find |>>was a statement to the effect that the Shell and Drivers lines in the |>>[boot] section of system.ini are still executed in safe mode, |>> |>>Shell and Drivers lines are NOT executed in safe mode |> |>Then I have no more ideas. Sorry. |> |>I searched for info on safe mode in Win98 but the best I could find |>was the following MSKB article for Win95. I assumed Win98 would behave |>similarly. Apparently that is not the case. |> |>How Windows 95 Performs a Safe-Mode Start: |> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/122051 |> |>"Note that although the [boot] section of the System.ini file is |>bypassed, the "shell=" and "drivers=" lines in the [boot] section are |>processed." |> |>If you can find an article that describes *exactly* what happens or |>does not happen in Win98 safe mode, I will be happy to try again. | | In this thread ... | | http://www.syschat.com/no-mouse-in-safe-mode-w98-384.html | | ... one person writes that "Win98 does not start in safe mode with | system.ini but with system.cb" (cb = cleanboot). His solution for | adding mouse functionality to Windows 98 safe mode (???) was to edit | the [boot] and [386Enh] sections of system.cb. | | The following MS document also describes how to edit system.cb to add | functionality of your own choosing. | | Creating a New System.ini File Without Third-Party Drivers | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=140441 | | Maybe you could experiment by adding the following to system.cb: | | [boot} | shell=explorer.exe clock.exe | | FWIW, my own system.cb has the following entries: | | [Keyboard] | layout=kbdus.kbd | | [intl] | ACP=1252 | OEMCP=437 | SystemLocale=00000c09 Mine is a bit different... [Keyboard] layout=kbdus.kbd [intl] ACP=1252 OEMCP=437 SystemLocale=00000409 [boot] *DisplayFallback=0 | - Franc Zabkar | -- | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 Re: Starting applications automatically in safe mode On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:02:51 +1100, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Maybe you could experiment by adding the following to system.cb: > > [boot} > shell=explorer.exe clock.exe Sorry, clock.exe is not included with Win9x. Try some other executable, eg calc.exe. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
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