Guest soup_or_power@yahoo.com Posted November 15, 2007 Posted November 15, 2007 I have asked this before in another thread with a deafening silence from the experts. I think as a computer user/administrator/programmer one gets frustrated to know that a certain backup cannot be restored because the manufacturer of the backup appliance has dictated so. I consider AD is a data repository. Like any database, one should be able to restore into this repository. I like the Opensource code for this reason alone. When I accidentally erased some database in mysql, I was able to restore the data from a backup. All I did was tar xvf in linux parlance. Nothing fantastic. However, with this AD for however long I have been in touch with the Sonicwall dumbos, they were trying to convince me that there is nothing one can do given that the OS can't do a cold restore meaning the AD must be up and running for the backup-restore to work. Perhaps in an ideal world this is all snippy. I live in a dark corner of the world surrounded by goologs and I can use some help and more importantly light on this topic. Thanks for reading
Guest SBS Rocker Posted November 15, 2007 Posted November 15, 2007 Re: Win2k AD Restore from Backup Well first of all you need to be able to distinguise from doing a AD restore and doing a "disaster recovery" restore. From what you wrote it may be true that in order for you to restore AD you must have the OS up and running. However most backup software programs offer a "disaster recovery" option agent that will do a complete restore simply from booting from a disk and having you backup tapes and device available. Step out of that dark corner of your world and investigate more into your backup program and hardware device. Not all backup programs can do a disater recovery. <soup_or_power@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:b37d3db3-b51e-44d2-a17b-4115238a62b0@w73g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >I have asked this before in another thread with a deafening silence > from the experts. I think as a computer user/administrator/programmer > one gets frustrated to know that a certain backup cannot be restored > because the manufacturer of the backup appliance has dictated so. I > consider AD is a data repository. Like any database, one should be > able to restore into this repository. I like the Opensource code for > this reason alone. When I accidentally erased some database in mysql, > I was able to restore the data from a backup. All I did was tar xvf in > linux parlance. Nothing fantastic. However, with this AD for however > long I have been in touch with the Sonicwall dumbos, they were trying > to convince me that there is nothing one can do given that the OS > can't do a cold restore meaning the AD must be up and running for the > backup-restore to work. Perhaps in an ideal world this is all snippy. > I live in a dark corner of the world surrounded by goologs and I can > use some help and more importantly light on this topic. > > Thanks for reading
Guest Joe Posted November 15, 2007 Posted November 15, 2007 Re: Win2k AD Restore from Backup Hopefully this helps http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Bb727048.aspx "SBS Rocker" <noreply@NoDomain.com> wrote in message news:OCw76D9JIHA.1324@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Well first of all you need to be able to distinguise from doing a AD > restore and doing a "disaster recovery" restore. From what you wrote it > may be true that in order for you to restore AD you must have the OS up > and running. However most backup software programs offer a "disaster > recovery" option agent that will do a complete restore simply from booting > from a disk and having you backup tapes and device available. Step out of > that dark corner of your world and investigate more into your backup > program and hardware device. Not all backup programs can do a disater > recovery. > > <soup_or_power@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:b37d3db3-b51e-44d2-a17b-4115238a62b0@w73g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>I have asked this before in another thread with a deafening silence >> from the experts. I think as a computer user/administrator/programmer >> one gets frustrated to know that a certain backup cannot be restored >> because the manufacturer of the backup appliance has dictated so. I >> consider AD is a data repository. Like any database, one should be >> able to restore into this repository. I like the Opensource code for >> this reason alone. When I accidentally erased some database in mysql, >> I was able to restore the data from a backup. All I did was tar xvf in >> linux parlance. Nothing fantastic. However, with this AD for however >> long I have been in touch with the Sonicwall dumbos, they were trying >> to convince me that there is nothing one can do given that the OS >> can't do a cold restore meaning the AD must be up and running for the >> backup-restore to work. Perhaps in an ideal world this is all snippy. >> I live in a dark corner of the world surrounded by goologs and I can >> use some help and more importantly light on this topic. >> >> Thanks for reading > >
Guest soup_or_power@yahoo.com Posted November 15, 2007 Posted November 15, 2007 Re: Win2k AD Restore from Backup On Nov 15, 4:46 pm, "SBS Rocker" <nore...@NoDomain.com> wrote: > Well first of all you need to be able to distinguise from doing a AD restore > and doing a "disaster recovery" restore. From what you wrote it may be true > that in order for you to restore AD you must have the OS up and running. > However most backup software programs offer a "disaster recovery" option > agent that will do a complete restore simply from booting from a disk and > having you backup tapes and device available. Step out of that dark corner > of your world and investigate more into your backup program and hardware > device. Not all backup programs can do a disater recovery. > > <soup_or_po...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:b37d3db3-b51e-44d2-a17b-4115238a62b0@w73g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > >I have asked this before in another thread with a deafening silence > > from the experts. I think as a computer user/administrator/programmer > > one gets frustrated to know that a certain backup cannot be restored > > because the manufacturer of the backup appliance has dictated so. I > > consider AD is a data repository. Like any database, one should be > > able to restore into this repository. I like the Opensource code for > > this reason alone. When I accidentally erased some database in mysql, > > I was able to restore the data from a backup. All I did was tar xvf in > > linux parlance. Nothing fantastic. However, with this AD for however > > long I have been in touch with the Sonicwall dumbos, they were trying > > to convince me that there is nothing one can do given that the OS > > can't do a cold restore meaning the AD must be up and running for the > > backup-restore to work. Perhaps in an ideal world this is all snippy. > > I live in a dark corner of the world surrounded by goologs and I can > > use some help and more importantly light on this topic. > > > Thanks for reading Thanks for the tip. Here is the result of talking to SW about my situation. SW wanted to know the domain and forest functional levels. They are Windows 2003 and Windows 2000 respectively. SW thinks there is no way to restore the AD on the Win2k in line with this article http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Determining-Functional-Level-Windows-Server-2003.html "If you raise the domain (and/or forest) functional level to Windows Server 2003, you won't be able to add any new domain controllers that are running versions of Windows any earlier than Windows Server 2003 into that domain. Make sure you decide that you want to do this, what you plan to get out of it and then make sure you do it carefully. " My understanding from my predecessor was that the Win2k managed a subdomain that encompassed a file server and several printers. Anyway, beyond academic curiosity and typical SW "avoid blaming the CDP" stance, I would like to keep the file service and create some user accounts. Tried dcpromo to demote the win2k server but it won't run unless AD is up. Any guesses what I should do next? Thanks for your help
Guest Newell White Posted November 16, 2007 Posted November 16, 2007 Re: Win2k AD Restore from Backup Maybe I am missing something, but why would anyone who has multiple DCs in an integrated AD ever want to restore AD? If a single DC goes down, dcpromo a new one and AD appears - almost magic! If all DCs go down, you have probably lost switches, printers, and workstations (all with unique SIDs) as well. You rebuild the domain infrastructure (incuding integrated AD) and add the salvaged/new workstations. I am sure someone will illuminate my ignorance on this. The bit of backup I worry about being able to restore after disaster is group policy. -- Regards, Newell White "soup_or_power@yahoo.com" wrote: > On Nov 15, 4:46 pm, "SBS Rocker" <nore...@NoDomain.com> wrote: > > Well first of all you need to be able to distinguise from doing a AD restore > > and doing a "disaster recovery" restore. From what you wrote it may be true > > that in order for you to restore AD you must have the OS up and running. > > However most backup software programs offer a "disaster recovery" option > > agent that will do a complete restore simply from booting from a disk and > > having you backup tapes and device available. Step out of that dark corner > > of your world and investigate more into your backup program and hardware > > device. Not all backup programs can do a disater recovery. > > > > <soup_or_po...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > > news:b37d3db3-b51e-44d2-a17b-4115238a62b0@w73g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > >I have asked this before in another thread with a deafening silence > > > from the experts. I think as a computer user/administrator/programmer > > > one gets frustrated to know that a certain backup cannot be restored > > > because the manufacturer of the backup appliance has dictated so. I > > > consider AD is a data repository. Like any database, one should be > > > able to restore into this repository. I like the Opensource code for > > > this reason alone. When I accidentally erased some database in mysql, > > > I was able to restore the data from a backup. All I did was tar xvf in > > > linux parlance. Nothing fantastic. However, with this AD for however > > > long I have been in touch with the Sonicwall dumbos, they were trying > > > to convince me that there is nothing one can do given that the OS > > > can't do a cold restore meaning the AD must be up and running for the > > > backup-restore to work. Perhaps in an ideal world this is all snippy. > > > I live in a dark corner of the world surrounded by goologs and I can > > > use some help and more importantly light on this topic. > > > > > Thanks for reading > > Thanks for the tip. Here is the result of talking to SW about my > situation. > > SW wanted to know the domain and forest functional levels. They are > Windows 2003 and Windows 2000 respectively. SW thinks there is no way > to restore the AD on the Win2k in line with this article > > http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Determining-Functional-Level-Windows-Server-2003.html > > "If you raise the domain (and/or forest) functional level to Windows > Server 2003, you won't be able to add any new domain controllers that > are running versions of Windows any earlier than Windows Server 2003 > into that domain. Make sure you decide that you want to do this, what > you plan to get out of it and then make sure you do it carefully. " > > My understanding from my predecessor was that the Win2k managed a > subdomain that encompassed a file server and several printers. > > Anyway, beyond academic curiosity and typical SW "avoid blaming the > CDP" stance, I would like to > keep the file service and create some user accounts. Tried dcpromo to > demote the win2k server but it won't run unless AD is up. Any guesses > what I should do next? > > Thanks for your help >
Guest soup_or_power@yahoo.com Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 Re: Win2k AD Restore from Backup On Nov 16, 3:40 am, Newell White <NewellWh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Maybe I am missing something, but why would anyone who has multiple DCs in an > integrated AD ever want to restore AD? > > If a single DC goes down, dcpromo a new one and AD appears - almost magic! > > If all DCs go down, you have probably lost switches, printers, and > workstations (all with unique SIDs) as well. You rebuild the domain > infrastructure (incuding integrated AD) and add the salvaged/new workstations. > > I am sure someone will illuminate my ignorance on this. > > The bit of backup I worry about being able to restore after disaster is > group policy. > > -- > Regards, > Newell White > > > > "soup_or_po...@yahoo.com" wrote: > > On Nov 15, 4:46 pm, "SBS Rocker" <nore...@NoDomain.com> wrote: > > > Well first of all you need to be able to distinguise from doing a AD restore > > > and doing a "disaster recovery" restore. From what you wrote it may be true > > > that in order for you to restore AD you must have the OS up and running. > > > However most backup software programs offer a "disaster recovery" option > > > agent that will do a complete restore simply from booting from a disk and > > > having you backup tapes and device available. Step out of that dark corner > > > of your world and investigate more into your backup program and hardware > > > device. Not all backup programs can do a disater recovery. > > > > <soup_or_po...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > >news:b37d3db3-b51e-44d2-a17b-4115238a62b0@w73g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > >I have asked this before in another thread with a deafening silence > > > > from the experts. I think as a computer user/administrator/programmer > > > > one gets frustrated to know that a certain backup cannot be restored > > > > because the manufacturer of the backup appliance has dictated so. I > > > > consider AD is a data repository. Like any database, one should be > > > > able to restore into this repository. I like the Opensource code for > > > > this reason alone. When I accidentally erased some database in mysql, > > > > I was able to restore the data from a backup. All I did was tar xvf in > > > > linux parlance. Nothing fantastic. However, with this AD for however > > > > long I have been in touch with the Sonicwall dumbos, they were trying > > > > to convince me that there is nothing one can do given that the OS > > > > can't do a cold restore meaning the AD must be up and running for the > > > > backup-restore to work. Perhaps in an ideal world this is all snippy. > > > > I live in a dark corner of the world surrounded by goologs and I can > > > > use some help and more importantly light on this topic. > > > > > Thanks for reading > > > Thanks for the tip. Here is the result of talking to SW about my > > situation. > > > SW wanted to know the domain and forest functional levels. They are > > Windows 2003 and Windows 2000 respectively. SW thinks there is no way > > to restore the AD on the Win2k in line with this article > > >http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Determining-Funct... > > > "If you raise the domain (and/or forest) functional level to Windows > > Server 2003, you won't be able to add any new domain controllers that > > are running versions of Windows any earlier than Windows Server 2003 > > into that domain. Make sure you decide that you want to do this, what > > you plan to get out of it and then make sure you do it carefully. " > > > My understanding from my predecessor was that the Win2k managed a > > subdomain that encompassed a file server and several printers. > > > Anyway, beyond academic curiosity and typical SW "avoid blaming the > > CDP" stance, I would like to > > keep the file service and create some user accounts. Tried dcpromo to > > demote the win2k server but it won't run unless AD is up. Any guesses > > what I should do next? > > > Thanks for your help- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Here is an update: SW suggests "dcpromo \force" on the Win2k machine and then create user accounts without any AD. Will that work? Will that in any way affect Win2k3? The alternative is to call Redmond. Thanks for your feedback.
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