Guest arnymars Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Hello, On my Win98SE PC some Applications at startup show inclear Icons in their Toolbars and all around user interface. Icons pictures are not rendered properly (unclear), while picture files open by the same applications are shown properly. It happens time to time with many applications in random order, and icons that were not shown properly one time, the next startup of the same application may be clear. More, part of the icons on the same application toolbar may be clear, but the rest is not. I read, system icon issues may be related to insufficient system Icon Cash File size. But my problem is with application icons, not system. NOD32 shows no viruses, and I don't use at this time other antivirus programs. Anyway, it occurs regardless of antivirus & antimalware ON or OFF. I can play DVDs and edit color pictures without problem, so it doesn't look like a graphics accelerator issue - or it is?
Guest arnymars Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 RE: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt I wanted to add that TweakUI Repair Icons feature doesn't help to resolve this issue. As well, I set Icon Cash File to 2048 in the Registry, but it doesn't fix the issue either - as it 's probably not system icon file related. "arnymars" wrote: > Hello, > > On my Win98SE PC some Applications at startup show inclear Icons in their > Toolbars and all around user interface. Icons pictures are not rendered > properly (unclear), while picture files open by the same applications are > shown properly. It happens time to time with many applications in random > order, and icons that were not shown properly one time, the next startup of > the same application may be clear. More, part of the icons on the same > application toolbar may be clear, but the rest is not. I read, system icon > issues may be related to insufficient system Icon Cash File size. But my > problem is with application icons, not system. NOD32 shows no viruses, and I > don't use at this time other antivirus programs. Anyway, it occurs regardless > of antivirus & antimalware ON or OFF. I can play DVDs and edit color pictures > without problem, so it doesn't look like a graphics accelerator issue - or it > is?
Guest arnymars Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 RE: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt Also wanted to ask, how to attach or show a picture file in this Forum, and how & within what time frame to Edit your own previous Post?
Guest MEB Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt I'll answer this part, as I do NOT recommend installation of tweakui anymore. If you wish to reference a picture, place it somewhere on the web and link to that.. pictures and files in this forum are not recommended nor [i think} supported [an occasionally small {couple kb} file perhaps but it is frowned upon]. As for editing,,, once you post, the server is already processing the entry and prepping for further distribution out to USENET, Google, etc.,, there is no editing of your own post.. modifications are done with a new post directing what was changed or added. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________ "arnymars" <arnymars@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:DAEDD254-ABB7-4081-9DD0-5F1197A24834@microsoft.com... | Also wanted to ask, how to attach or show a picture file in this Forum, and | how & within what time frame to Edit your own previous Post?
Guest glee Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt The TweakUI Icon Repair feature works with all icons that appear on the desktop, taskbar, quick launch bar, and in folder views and explorer views. Did you reboot after the repair? It's called the Icon Cache, not Cash....so if you are manually editing the Registry and misspelling it, it won't work. Exactly how are you going about setting the Icon Cache size in the Registry? Are you using a pre-written .reg file you downloaded, or are you manually creating one or manually editing? A Registry file to set it would look like this: -------------------- REGEDIT4 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer] "Max Cached Icons"="2048" -------------------- Please describe exactly where you are seeing the corrupt icons. Are they on the Desktop,Taskbar, folder windows, or in the Start Menu, or are they only in the toolbars of specific programs? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ "arnymars" <arnymars@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4201FBE4-9F3D-460F-90B5-822032F91D69@microsoft.com... >I wanted to add that TweakUI Repair Icons feature doesn't help to resolve > this issue. As well, I set Icon Cash File to 2048 in the Registry, but it > doesn't fix the issue either - as it 's probably not system icon file related. > > "arnymars" wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> On my Win98SE PC some Applications at startup show inclear Icons in their >> Toolbars and all around user interface. Icons pictures are not rendered >> properly (unclear), while picture files open by the same applications are >> shown properly. It happens time to time with many applications in random >> order, and icons that were not shown properly one time, the next startup of >> the same application may be clear. More, part of the icons on the same >> application toolbar may be clear, but the rest is not. I read, system icon >> issues may be related to insufficient system Icon Cash File size. But my >> problem is with application icons, not system. NOD32 shows no viruses, and I >> don't use at this time other antivirus programs. Anyway, it occurs regardless >> of antivirus & antimalware ON or OFF. I can play DVDs and edit color pictures >> without problem, so it doesn't look like a graphics accelerator issue - or it >> is?
Guest arnymars Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt Glee TweakUI works fine for me for Win icons which appear in all places you mentioned above. I also correctly fixed Icon Cache Registry entry (sorry for misspelling) using downloaded patch you mentioned, and checking the Registry afterwards. The problem occurs ONLY within Application UI - on the Application Toolbars and Dropdown Menus. It happens with several applications in no specific order - with some every time, with others - time to time. It doesn't appear to be related to VRAM, as open picture files and the rest of the application interface are shown correctly. I found one article in MS KB that appars to describe a similar issue: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/219582/en-us But I have a different Graphics Card, and can't really switch its acceleration off due to low processor capacity especially when playing movies. Switching it off doesn't also help to resolve the issue - I tried..
Guest arnymars Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt Just wanted to add that I installed the latest (supported) version of my Graphics Card driver with no improvement. I seen in one forume someone mentioned similar issue as an Application Compiler related, like Delphi. But in that case the icons would be destorted every time such Application starts, and not time to time - I assume...
Guest glee Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt "arnymars" <arnymars@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E60CE78F-0D0C-410C-A9DC-A35B9E884621@microsoft.com... >TweakUI works fine for me for Win icons which appear in all places you >mentioned above. I also correctly fixed Icon Cache Registry entry (sorry for >misspelling) using downloaded patch you mentioned, and checking the Registry >afterwards. > >The problem occurs ONLY within Application UI - on the Application Toolbars >and Dropdown Menus. It happens with several applications in no specific order >- with some every time, with others - time to time. It doesn't appear to be >related to VRAM, as open picture files and the rest of the application >interface are shown correctly. > >I found one article in MS KB that appars to describe a similar issue: >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/219582/en-us >But I have a different Graphics Card, and can't really switch its >acceleration off due to low processor capacity especially when playing >movies. Switching it off doesn't also help to resolve the issue - I tried.. > Just wanted to add that I installed the latest (supported) version of my > Graphics Card driver with no improvement. I seen in one forume someone > mentioned similar issue as an Application Compiler related, like Delphi. But > in that case the icons would be destorted every time such Application starts, > and not time to time - I assume... What graphics card do you have? What is running on your system at startup? Does the issue occur as soon as you start up, or not until certain programs are run? Does the issue occur if you do a Clean Boot? Does it occur in Safe Mode? How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98 http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=192926 -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
Guest PCR Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt arnymars wrote: | Glee | | TweakUI works fine for me for Win icons which appear in all places you | mentioned above. I also correctly fixed Icon Cache Registry entry | (sorry for misspelling) using downloaded patch you mentioned, and | checking the Registry afterwards. | | The problem occurs ONLY within Application UI - on the Application | Toolbars and Dropdown Menus. It happens with several applications in | no specific order - with some every time, with others - time to time. | It doesn't appear to be related to VRAM, as open picture files and | the rest of the application interface are shown correctly. I think it best to stick with glee & answer his questions & possibly state one/two applications in which the problem occurs. Nevertheless, maybe try a different Theme/Scheme to maybe jog a setting... To install Desktop Themes, if they are not already in the Control Panel or in the START menu... 1. START, Settings, Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Windows Setup tab. 2. Check "Desktop Themes"; click "Details"; check the themes you want; "OK" twice. 3. Perhaps, re-boot. Some themes require "high color". To get "high color"... 1. Right click the Desktop & select Properties 2. Click the "Settings" tab 3. Use the "Colors" dropdown menu to select "high color" 4. Be prepared. It may ask your permission to restart the computer. I understand that's best; however, it can also be done at: "R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Appearance tab, & select a different 'Scheme' in the dropdown selector". This will also get the fonts, colors, et al, right, across applications, without trying to micro-manage inside the "Item" dropdown menu, which one may live to regret. Hopefully, if you have tried micro-managing in there, the Theme/Scheme will reverse the setting. If not, state the values you have for suspicious ones for us to compare. | I found one article in MS KB that appars to describe a similar issue: | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/219582/en-us | But I have a different Graphics Card, and can't really switch its | acceleration off due to low processor capacity especially when playing | movies. Switching it off doesn't also help to resolve the issue - I | tried.. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest arnymars Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt Glee, Glee, When I run Win98 in Safe Mode or Basic Hardware Acceleration, all icons in every application (which is capable to start in Safe Mode) are shown correctly (to the depth & res. available without graphics accel.). It appears to be video driver related, as mentioned in the MS KB article above, but I use the last driver for this video card - NeoMagic256AV. However, searching the net, I was unable to find any complains about similar issue with NeoMagic drivers on Vaio in Win98. There must be something else & more affecting it. If it helps, the problem occurs almost exclusively with third party applications that require lengthy interface redraw when Video Card is OFF (Safe Mode). It doesn't occur with MS packages, and there interface buttons are loaded instantly in Safe Mode. Which means, its programming style and compiler dependant.In addition, its unknown if these applications use natively Win standard size (32 or 45) buttons. If not, in Win98 it looks like the non-standard size buttons are zoomed by the system to standard size, set in Appearance Prefs, when drawing the application window, and may be rendered incorrectly (it may also slow window rendering) - see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/146213/en-us. As well, I was told, all these applications use Borland Delphi or similar core compiler that may be somewhat incompartible with older Video Card drivers. However, after all that, how I can fix the issue? Or, its unfixable, as no newer driver is available (like Win98 USB 1.1 problems)? "glee" wrote: > What graphics card do you have? > What is running on your system at startup? > Does the issue occur as soon as you start up, or not until certain programs are run? > Does the issue occur if you do a Clean Boot? > Does it occur in Safe Mode?
Guest arnymars Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt PCR, Changing Scheme didn't affect the issue. It was only affected by decreasing Hardware Acceleration to Basic (which is unacceptable for me). Here is the list of startup applications:
Guest arnymars Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt Here is a list of Logon programs according to Sysinternals Autoruns: KB891711 Windows KB891711 component Microsoft Corporation c:\windows\system\kb891711\kb891711.exe KB918547 Windows KB918547 EXE component Microsoft Corporation c:\windows\system\kb918547\kb918547.exe LoadPowerProfilePower Profile Helper DLL Microsoft Corporation c:\windows\system\powrprof.dll internat.exe Keyboard Language Indicator Applet Microsoft Corporation c:\windows\system\internat.exe ScanRegistry Registry Checker Microsoft Corporation c:\windows\scanregw.exe StillImageMonitor Still Image Devices Monitor Microsoft Corporation c:\windows\system\stimon.exe SystemTraySystem Tray Applet Microsoft Corporation c:\windows\system\systray.exe TaskMonitorTask Monitor Microsoft Corporation c:\windows\taskmon.exe Taskbar Display Controls Control Panel DLL Microsoft Corporation c:\windows\system\deskcp16.dll It looks like I don't really run anything special at Startup.
Guest arnymars Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt Correction: Immediately after I switch a Win Theme, and then started an application, icons got drawn correctly! After PC reboot they return to the same state - drawn incorrectly. After I switched the Theme back again and then put the laptop to Standby and then waikup, I started several applications again, and all icons to my surprise were drawn correctly again! I also noticed, ShelllconCache file was updated after changing the Theme. It looks like its getting closer to the solution, but we are not there yet... Every time, the Theme is updated, it restores the icons correct rendering, but once the PC is then rebooted, the issue appears again.
Guest arnymars Posted November 20, 2007 Posted November 20, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt PCR After observing the application icons behavior for the last couple of days after changing the Theme on your advice, I noticed that right after Win Startup icons now appear correctly. After several programs started that shown icon problems in the past, the icons become unclear gradually in each of the applications if closed and restarted. After changing the Theme - no improvement. But if I go to Standby right after changing the Theme and Waikup, the icons appear correctly again when I restart an application. Can such behaviour pattern help to identify the cause and fix it? How Standby mode can affect this - by clearing the resources - what resources? Or by updating memory - related to what program or driver?
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted November 20, 2007 Posted November 20, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:46:02 -0800, arnymars <arnymars@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >PCR > >After observing the application icons behavior for the last couple of days >after changing the Theme on your advice, I noticed that right after Win >Startup icons now appear correctly. After several programs started that shown >icon problems in the past, the icons become unclear gradually in each of the >applications if closed and restarted. After changing the Theme - no >improvement. But if I go to Standby right after changing the Theme and >Waikup, the icons appear correctly again when I restart an application. > >Can such behaviour pattern help to identify the cause and fix it? How >Standby mode can affect this - by clearing the resources - what resources? Or >by updating memory - related to what program or driver? Try running Windows 98's Resource Meter, RSRCMTR.EXE. ??? - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest arnymars Posted November 20, 2007 Posted November 20, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt The application interface icons wrong rendering doesn't seem to be dependant on the Win Resource Meter Readings - unclear icons may appear right after Win Boot with 80% resources free, and wise versa - the icons may be rendered correctly after changing the Win Theme and waikup from standby with 30% resources free. There is something else, like some memory update that improves the icon rendering after waikup.
Guest PCR Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt arnymars wrote: | Here is a list of Logon programs according to Sysinternals Autoruns: | | KB891711 Windows KB891711 component Microsoft | Corporation c:\windows\system\kb891711\kb891711.exe | KB918547 Windows KB918547 EXE component Microsoft | Corporation c:\windows\system\kb918547\kb918547.exe | LoadPowerProfilePower Profile Helper DLL Microsoft | Corporation c:\windows\system\powrprof.dll | internat.exe Keyboard Language Indicator Applet Microsoft | Corporation c:\windows\system\internat.exe | ScanRegistry Registry Checker Microsoft Corporation | c:\windows\scanregw.exe | StillImageMonitor Still Image Devices | Monitor Microsoft | Corporation c:\windows\system\stimon.exe | SystemTraySystem Tray Applet Microsoft | Corporation c:\windows\system\systray.exe | TaskMonitorTask Monitor Microsoft Corporation c:\windows\taskmon.exe | Taskbar Display Controls Control Panel DLL Microsoft | Corporation c:\windows\system\deskcp16.dll | | It looks like I don't really run anything special at Startup. I see nothing necessarily bad in there myself, BUT there should be two LoadPowerProfiles (even if it doesn't solve this particular issue). If you have one unchecked at "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab", then check it, & see whether it has restored the missing one. If not restored, then... (1) "START button, Run, RegEdit". (2) Open to... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run by... (a) Click plus signs, beginning left of "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE". (b) Continue to plus sign left of "CurrentVersion". © Scroll the alphabetical list of keys under it in the left pane, & click "Run". (d) Look for "LoadPowerProfile" in the right pane. If not there... R-Clk an empty area of the right pane, point to "New", & select "String value". Paste "LoadPowerProfile" (no quotes) for it's name. (e) R-Clk "LoadPowerProfile" in the right pane, & select "Modify". (f) Paste the following (no quotes) into the "Value data" box... "Rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme" Do the same for "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunService s" ^----- That "s" has wrapped away from "RunServices". Actually, after step (f), look for & click "RunServices" in the left pane, & take it from there. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt arnymars wrote: | PCR | | After observing the application icons behavior for the last couple of | days after changing the Theme on your advice, I noticed that right | after Win Startup icons now appear correctly. After several programs | started that shown icon problems in the past, the icons become | unclear gradually in each of the applications if closed and | restarted. After changing the Theme - no improvement. But if I go to | Standby right after changing the Theme and Waikup, the icons appear | correctly again when I restart an application. Too bad they weren't permanently fixed that way. Can you pinpoint what makes them go bad again after that? Your Startup Group is innocent, if the problem is cured directly after boot. What is it you run after starting up that is not in the Startup Group? One thing: You should be rebooting with "START button, Shut Down"-- & not with one of the various shortcut methods! They don't work to repair the ShellIconCache...!... http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q133733 Icons Displayed Incorrectly in Control Panel The icon cache may be corrupt. Delete it, & let it regenerate. Shelliconcache is a hidden file. (1) "START, Settings, Folder Options, View tab, bolt 'Show all files'". Also, UNcheck "Hide file extensions for known file types". (2) Boot to Safe Mode (hold F5 as you boot). (3) "START, Find, F/F, Shelliconcache". R-Clk it & select "Delete". (4) "START, Shut Down, Restart". (Do not use a shortcut to Restart.) Alternatively, per cquirke & Glee... (1) "Control Panel, Display, Appearance tab". (2) Select "Icon" in the Item dropdown menu. (3) Change the Icon size by one pixel, & Apply. (4) Change it back to original size, & Apply. (5) "START, Shut Down, Restart". (Do not use a shortcut to Restart.) ....Now, you should have a new ShellIconCache with one reboot & never needing to delete it or to enter Safe Mode. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q132668 Icons Randomly Change to Different Icons This is how to increase the ShellIconCache size. It may go as high as 4096. (Well, some say 8192.) It has cured, for me, a sluggishness of the drawing of icons, inside Explorer & My Documents (the small ones to left of file names). HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer Max Cached Icons 2048 (String value) 1. START; Run; Type "RegEdit" & Enter 2. Click the plus (+) signs in the left pane, starting left of "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE", & ending left of "CurrentVersion". 3. Finally, click the key "explorer" in the left pane (not it's plus sign). 4. In the right pane, R-Clk an empty area; point to "new"; select "string value"; type or paste "Max Cached Icons" & Enter. 5. R-Clk "Max Cached Icons"; select "Modify"; enter "2048" & click OK. 6. Close RegEdit & reboot. | Can such behaviour pattern help to identify the cause and fix it? How | Standby mode can affect this - by clearing the resources - what | resources? Or by updating memory - related to what program or driver? Something seems to be happening. That was an interesting article you posted to glee... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/146213/en-us Windows Explorer and Desktop Icons Appear Distorted Do you ever see an icon size other than 32 or 48 there? If so, you must discover and eliminate whatever is doing that!
Guest arnymars Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt PCR Thank you for extensive and useful advice. It looks like improper and slow application interface rendering is mostly the result of unjustified use of non-standard icon sizes, which results in icon scaling at window rendering time, where other deficiencies of Win98 and Video driver show up. Meaning, the program developer competence is the issue. I did delete Shelliconcache before, but without going to Safe Mode, so I guess it was not recreated properly. It looks like after following all the manipulations above, application icons appearance is now stabilized. I'll try to notice, at what point it gets worse (if ever), but at least I can normally work now, and know how to fix it fast. What is surprizing, there is no reference in any of MS KB to third party application interface icons problems, only to Win components icons, so the question is whether Shelliconcache is used to store application icons at all? If yes, are they collected from all over the c:\ drive at boot time? Or added to Shelliconcache gradually at first startup of each application? If at some point the file size exceed the limit set in Registry, what happens? Previous icons are purged? But the file doesn't seem to change that often, based on WE Modified dates. Are application icons stored in any Win cash file at all?
Guest glee Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt There are a number of methods for deleting the ShellIconCache file, but in your case Safe Mode may have been the necessary ingredient. The Icon cache appears to have been the issue, as PCR and I have mentioned earlier in the thread. This is actually pretty common. ALL icons (system and application) that appear in the Start Menu, Desktop, Explorer and folder windows, are stored in the ShellIconCache. I'm not sure if the icons on your application toolbars are stored there also, or not. The cache is added to in memory as you open menus and windows containing icons, but the icons are not actually added to the file on disk till you restart. The icons on the Desktop and Start Menu are picked up into memory at boot. As sub-menus and applications are opened, further icons are added to the cache in memory. The behaviour of the cache file can vary wildly from system to system. I've seen some where the file stays relatively static after a certain size is reached, and other systems where it continues to grow seemingly without end, and must be deleted periodically. I've found on Win9x systems where the cache keeps growing and growing, that it's best to delete the file once the stored icons get over about 1000-1500 in number. It seems to matter much less in WinXP. Here's a nice little utility to see the System Image List (AKA Shell Icon Cache) http://www.catch22.net/tuts/sysimg.asp http://www.catch22.net/tuts/zips/sysimg.zip Here's a very nice discussion of the workings of the Shell Icon Cache http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4942/iconcache.html -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ "arnymars" <arnymars@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FED5D8BD-3049-4D72-B750-297D9F25E96E@microsoft.com... > PCR > > Thank you for extensive and useful advice. It looks like improper and slow > application interface rendering is mostly the result of unjustified use of > non-standard icon sizes, which results in icon scaling at window rendering > time, where other deficiencies of Win98 and Video driver show up. Meaning, > the program developer competence is the issue. > > I did delete Shelliconcache before, but without going to Safe Mode, so I > guess it was not recreated properly. It looks like after following all the > manipulations above, application icons appearance is now stabilized. I'll try > to notice, at what point it gets worse (if ever), but at least I can normally > work now, and know how to fix it fast. > > What is surprizing, there is no reference in any of MS KB to third party > application interface icons problems, only to Win components icons, so the > question is whether Shelliconcache is used to store application icons at all? > If yes, are they collected from all over the c:\ drive at boot time? Or added > to Shelliconcache gradually at first startup of each application? If at some > point the file size exceed the limit set in Registry, what happens? Previous > icons are purged? But the file doesn't seem to change that often, based on WE > Modified dates. Are application icons stored in any Win cash file at all?
Guest arnymars Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt I wanted to thank you everyone for in-depth discussion on this urgent for me issue that was very helpful and productive.
Guest arnymars Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt Just wanted to add that looking at ShellIconCash file content with SysImg, I don't see any Application Toolbal specific icons, in particular from troublesome applications. They aren't probably stored in any handy file, but instead always loaded from the relevant Program folder. Thats where programming stype can speedup application window rendering. However, I guess there may be indirect link leading to improper rendering. Still, the combo of all suggested approaches fixed the issue for now, with Win Theme switching appear to be the leading factor.
Guest PCR Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt arnymars wrote: | Just wanted to add that looking at ShellIconCash file content with | SysImg, I don't see any Application Toolbal specific icons, in | particular from troublesome applications. How many icons showed up for you? I seem to currently have 735. There appear to be duplicates in there, but I guess certain accompanying info (color, pixel size, whatever) may be different (& doesn't show in SysImg). And did you have anything in this Registry key...?... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ Explorer\Shell Icons Mine is empty! | They aren't probably stored | in any handy file, but instead always loaded from the relevant | Program folder. Thats where programming stype can speedup application | window rendering. However, I guess there may be indirect link leading | to improper rendering. | | Still, the combo of all suggested approaches fixed the issue for now, | with Win Theme switching appear to be the leading factor. Glad to hear it. I'm thinking, switching Themes may have a similar effect to changing an icon size, which causes the RAM cache to (flush, maybe). Also, could be, when you went to Standby & back, that might have been equivalent to a Restart not involving a shortcut. Yep, those URLs of glee's were edifying indeed. I'll need to read through them a couple more times, though, before I can say any more!
Guest Bill in Co. Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt PCR wrote: > arnymars wrote: >> Just wanted to add that looking at ShellIconCash file content with >> SysImg, I don't see any Application Toolbal specific icons, in >> particular from troublesome applications. > > How many icons showed up for you? I seem to currently have 735. There > appear to be duplicates in there, but I guess certain accompanying info > (color, pixel size, whatever) may be different (& doesn't show in > SysImg). And did you have anything in this Registry key...?... > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ > Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ > Explorer\Shell Icons > > Mine is empty! > >> They aren't probably stored >> in any handy file, but instead always loaded from the relevant >> Program folder. Thats where programming stype can speedup application >> window rendering. However, I guess there may be indirect link leading >> to improper rendering. >> >> Still, the combo of all suggested approaches fixed the issue for now, >> with Win Theme switching appear to be the leading factor. > > Glad to hear it. I'm thinking, switching Themes may have a similar > effect to changing an icon size, which causes the RAM cache to (flush, > maybe). Also, could be, when you went to Standby & back, that might have > been equivalent to a Restart not involving a shortcut. > > Yep, those URLs of glee's were edifying indeed. I'll need to read > through them a couple more times, though, before I can say any more! Some ancillary comments relating to this (my experience): When my ShelliconCache reaches around say 4000 KB or so, I figure it's been long enough, and delete it to let it rebuild. It seems to work better that way; if that file gets too large, the system just seems to become a bit more quirky (in relation to rebooting and stable desktop icons, etc). Easiest way for me to rebuild it is to: 1) delete the ShelliconCache file, 2) shut down the computer, 3) power it back up, and let the icons get rebuilt again (which takes a few minutes), and lastly 4) reboot the computer to finally create the new and smaller ShelliconCache file.
Guest arnymars Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Application Interface Icons Appear Corrupt PCR My key is empty too. I'm not sure why you mentioned this. As to the size of ShellIconCash, I wonder how it can grow beyond max value specified in Registry? Also, I think changing Win Theme has broader effect than changing icon size only, but the later action can result in ShellIconCash file update, while the former doesn't necessarily lead to changing any icons or ShellIconCash (if ever). But its true - it flashes some resources, though Standby doesn't seem to be associated with RAM flash (if not opposite).
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