Guest ms Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 I had a previous recent thread relating to the problem: "Save password in DUN". I have used this desktop machine for about 6 months, an AV check showed nothing. The machine has been otherwise normal. Data in files is edited, saved, retained normally. Scandisk shows a normal hard disk. I can dial up, but when I run my browser, at every one of my usual bookmarked sites, get "Server Not Found". In Control Panel/Internet Connections, Properties, the DUN icon, in domain, I had originally set it correctly, now it shows mail.copper.ne :it is supposed to be net. I reentered the correct mail.copper.net, closed that screen. Reopened the Properties screen, again it reads: mail.copper.ne. Each time this happens, the "t" is omitted in "net". Setting data into a standard window, it is not completely retained. I have never before seen this in various W98SE machines. Advice? ms
Guest PCR Posted November 29, 2007 Posted November 29, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained ms wrote: | I had a previous recent thread relating to the problem: "Save | password in DUN". I have never set up a DUN, but occasionally have fiddled with the one NetZero has set up for me. I'm thinking your problem may lie somewhere else, but check your DUN settings, anyhow, against this site... http://www.modemsite.com/56k/connectoid.asp ...., which, to me, sounds as good as any (but I never set one up). | I have used this desktop machine for about 6 months, an AV check | showed nothing. The machine has been otherwise normal. Data in files | is edited, saved, retained normally. Scandisk shows a normal hard | disk. That is all very good. | I can dial up, but when I run my browser, at every one of my usual | bookmarked sites, get "Server Not Found". I was getting an error similar to that once, & the cure was in the Properties of the server... "OE, R-Clk server (such as msnews.microsoft.com), Properties, Server tab" That is where you need to enter mail.copper.net-- in the Account Name field. (HOWEVER, if you have avast! virus scanner & have turned on the Internet Mail Provider, there will be a number sign (#) preceeding it... #mail.copper.net.) To get the account in the first place... "OE, Tools menu, Accounts, News tab, Add button, News" (But I'm not really the expert in these things, & I prefer clicking an URL, such as... http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion ...., which does everything except avast's part.) | In Control Panel/Internet Connections, Properties, the DUN | icon, in domain, I had originally set it correctly, now it shows | mail.copper.ne :it is supposed to be net. I reentered the correct | mail.copper.net, closed that screen. Reopened the Properties screen, | again it reads: mail.copper.ne. Each time this happens, the "t" is | omitted in "net". | | Setting data into a standard window, it is not completely retained. I | have never before seen this in various W98SE machines. | | Advice? | | ms -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest ms Posted November 29, 2007 Posted November 29, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OLHZBZiMIHA.5904 @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > ms wrote: >| I had a previous recent thread relating to the problem: "Save >| password in DUN". > > I have never set up a DUN, but occasionally have fiddled with the one > NetZero has set up for me. I'm thinking your problem may lie somewhere > else, but check your DUN settings, anyhow, against this site... > > http://www.modemsite.com/56k/connectoid.asp > > ..., which, to me, sounds as good as any (but I never set one up). > Thanks, PCR, as always, very helpful. Good data there for modem setup. >| I have used this desktop machine for about 6 months, an AV check >| showed nothing. The machine has been otherwise normal. Data in files >| is edited, saved, retained normally. Scandisk shows a normal hard >| disk. > > That is all very good. > >| I can dial up, but when I run my browser, at every one of my usual >| bookmarked sites, get "Server Not Found". > > I was getting an error similar to that once, & the cure was in the > Properties of the server... > > "OE, R-Clk server (such as msnews.microsoft.com), Properties, Server > tab" > > That is where you need to enter mail.copper.net-- in the Account Name > field. (HOWEVER, if you have avast! virus scanner & have turned on the > Internet Mail Provider, there will be a number sign (#) preceeding it... > #mail.copper.net.) > > To get the account in the first place... > "OE, Tools menu, Accounts, News tab, Add button, News" > > (But I'm not really the expert in these things, & I prefer clicking an > URL, such as... > http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion > ..., which does everything except avast's part.) > I will go through that website, redo the steps. In TCP/IP Properties/Advanced, one item was checked, not seen before: Allow binding to ATM, no value was indicated. Since this problem is unusual to me, and that is an unknown setting, don't know it's effect. BTW, on a different computer about 6 months ago, with dark lines in the display, you advised uninstall/reinstall the video drivers in Safe Mode, will be doing that shortly. ms >| In Control Panel/Internet Connections, Properties, the DUN >| icon, in domain, I had originally set it correctly, now it shows >| mail.copper.ne :it is supposed to be net. I reentered the correct >| mail.copper.net, closed that screen. Reopened the Properties screen, >| again it reads: mail.copper.ne. Each time this happens, the "t" is >| omitted in "net". >| >| Setting data into a standard window, it is not completely retained. I >| have never before seen this in various W98SE machines. >| >| Advice? >| >| ms >
Guest ms Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained ms <ms@invalid.com> wrote in news:5r8096F133mraU1@mid.individual.net: > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OLHZBZiMIHA.5904 > @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > >> ms wrote: >>| I had a previous recent thread relating to the problem: "Save >>| password in DUN". >> >> I have never set up a DUN, but occasionally have fiddled with the one >> NetZero has set up for me. I'm thinking your problem may lie somewhere >> else, but check your DUN settings, anyhow, against this site... >> >> http://www.modemsite.com/56k/connectoid.asp >> >> ..., which, to me, sounds as good as any (but I never set one up). >> > Thanks, PCR, as always, very helpful. Good data there for modem setup. > >>| I have used this desktop machine for about 6 months, an AV check >>| showed nothing. The machine has been otherwise normal. Data in files >>| is edited, saved, retained normally. Scandisk shows a normal hard >>| disk. >> >> That is all very good. >> >>| I can dial up, but when I run my browser, at every one of my usual >>| bookmarked sites, get "Server Not Found". >> >> I was getting an error similar to that once, & the cure was in the >> Properties of the server... >> >> "OE, R-Clk server (such as msnews.microsoft.com), Properties, Server >> tab" >> >> That is where you need to enter mail.copper.net-- in the Account Name >> field. (HOWEVER, if you have avast! virus scanner & have turned on the >> Internet Mail Provider, there will be a number sign (#) preceeding > it... >> #mail.copper.net.) >> >> To get the account in the first place... >> "OE, Tools menu, Accounts, News tab, Add button, News" >> >> (But I'm not really the expert in these things, & I prefer clicking an >> URL, such as... >> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion >> ..., which does everything except avast's part.) >> > > I will go through that website, redo the steps. Good news, that site had one item that made the difference. Buried in Modem Properties, the comment that normally in Extra there is no INIT string. This machine had MD or MU (hard to see), I deleted it, and did one other thing. I checked Use this Script, entered the domain address there, it persisted, rebooted, dialup, now can hear the modem and now can browse normally. So the INIT string and the domain not persisting were the issues. The normal location to put the domain name, it still does not persist, but I have a working unit again. Be thankful for small favors. > > In TCP/IP Properties/Advanced, one item was checked, not seen before: > Allow binding to ATM, no value was indicated. Since this problem is > unusual to me, and that is an unknown setting, don't know it's effect. > > BTW, on a different computer about 6 months ago, with dark lines in the > display, you advised uninstall/reinstall the video drivers in Safe Mode, > will be doing that shortly. > Maybe I should repost that problem, to take a fresh look at it? Thanks again for your help. ms >>| In Control Panel/Internet Connections, Properties, the DUN >>| icon, in domain, I had originally set it correctly, now it shows >>| mail.copper.ne :it is supposed to be net. I reentered the correct >>| mail.copper.net, closed that screen. Reopened the Properties screen, >>| again it reads: mail.copper.ne. Each time this happens, the "t" is >>| omitted in "net". >>| >>| Setting data into a standard window, it is not completely retained. I >>| have never before seen this in various W98SE machines. >>| >>| Advice? >>| >>| ms >> >
Guest PCR Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained ms wrote: | ms <ms@invalid.com> wrote in news:5r8096F133mraU1@mid.individual.net: | |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OLHZBZiMIHA.5904 |> @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: |> |>> ms wrote: |>>| I had a previous recent thread relating to the problem: "Save |>>| password in DUN". |>> |>> I have never set up a DUN, but occasionally have fiddled with the |>> one NetZero has set up for me. I'm thinking your problem may lie |>> somewhere else, but check your DUN settings, anyhow, against this |>> site... |>> |>> http://www.modemsite.com/56k/connectoid.asp |>> |>> ..., which, to me, sounds as good as any (but I never set one up). |>> |> Thanks, PCR, as always, very helpful. Good data there for modem |> setup. |> |>>| I have used this desktop machine for about 6 months, an AV check |>>| showed nothing. The machine has been otherwise normal. Data in |>>| files is edited, saved, retained normally. Scandisk shows a normal |>>| hard disk. |>> |>> That is all very good. |>> |>>| I can dial up, but when I run my browser, at every one of my usual |>>| bookmarked sites, get "Server Not Found". |>> |>> I was getting an error similar to that once, & the cure was in the |>> Properties of the server... |>> |>> "OE, R-Clk server (such as msnews.microsoft.com), Properties, Server |>> tab" |>> |>> That is where you need to enter mail.copper.net-- in the Account |>> Name field. (HOWEVER, if you have avast! virus scanner & have |>> turned on the Internet Mail Provider, there will be a number sign |>> (#) preceeding it... #mail.copper.net.) |>> |>> To get the account in the first place... |>> "OE, Tools menu, Accounts, News tab, Add button, News" |>> |>> (But I'm not really the expert in these things, & I prefer clicking |>> an URL, such as... |>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion |>> ..., which does everything except avast's part.) |>> |> |> I will go through that website, redo the steps. | | Good news, that site had one item that made the difference. Buried in | Modem Properties, the comment that normally in Extra there is no INIT | string. This machine had MD or MU (hard to see), I deleted it, and did | one other thing. I checked Use this Script, entered the domain address | there, it persisted, rebooted, dialup, now can hear the modem and now | can browse normally. Glad to hear that! I have nothing in the Extra Settings box, myself, of the Modem Properties. (Once, I did put something in there to see extra lines in the modem log I think, but that is gone now.) As far as using a script, there seems to be something like that in my ISP Properties. I doubt I use one-- but, if it has cured your situation, that's just fine. | So the INIT string and the domain not persisting were the issues. The | normal location to put the domain name, it still does not persist, | but I have a working unit again. Be thankful for small favors. Yea. I guess you are OK now. I'm glad to see you worked it out from that site & whatever other fiddling. (I don't know that this NetZero connectoid of mine involves a domain at all or even what a domain is. And I'm not sure I want to!) |> |> In TCP/IP Properties/Advanced, one item was checked, not seen before: |> Allow binding to ATM, no value was indicated. Since this problem is |> unusual to me, and that is an unknown setting, don't know it's |> effect. I see that too, just like you report, at... "Control Panel, Network, Configuration tab, highlight TCP/IP, Properties button, click OK to dreadful warning, Advanced tab" It's just as you say there. "Allow binding to ATM" shows up in the Property window, & "No" is selected in the Value window. Let it be, I guess, especially as things are working again. |> BTW, on a different computer about 6 months ago, with dark lines in |> the display, you advised uninstall/reinstall the video drivers in |> Safe Mode, will be doing that shortly. |> | Maybe I should repost that problem, to take a fresh look at it? Yes, repost it. | Thanks again for your help. You are welcome. | ms | |>>| In Control Panel/Internet Connections, Properties, the DUN |>>| icon, in domain, I had originally set it correctly, now it shows |>>| mail.copper.ne :it is supposed to be net. I reentered the correct |>>| mail.copper.net, closed that screen. Reopened the Properties |>>| screen, again it reads: mail.copper.ne. Each time this happens, |>>| the "t" is omitted in "net". |>>| |>>| Setting data into a standard window, it is not completely |>>| retained. I have never before seen this in various W98SE machines. |>>| |>>| Advice? |>>| |>>| ms -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained You don't put *anything_like* "mail.copper.net" as a server name in any part of a DUN connection's Properties. That's a mail server address and has no business as part of a DUN connection. It's useful only to a program used to send or retrieve email. Furthermore, you *do_not* want to log onto any domain. That's probably what's screwing up the connection. Sorry again that I don't have a DUN connection in front of me for reference, but that item that is checked by default that talks about logging onto a server should be unchecked, and any server name left blank. Those options aren't used for a standard public DUN ISP. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message news:5r64o8F134r14U1@mid.individual.net... >I had a previous recent thread relating to the problem: "Save password in > DUN". > > I have used this desktop machine for about 6 months, an AV check showed > nothing. The machine has been otherwise normal. Data in files is edited, > saved, retained normally. Scandisk shows a normal hard disk. > > I can dial up, but when I run my browser, at every one of my usual > bookmarked sites, get "Server Not Found". > > In Control Panel/Internet Connections, Properties, the DUN > icon, in domain, I had originally set it correctly, now it shows > mail.copper.ne :it is supposed to be net. I reentered the correct > mail.copper.net, closed that screen. Reopened the Properties screen, again > it reads: mail.copper.ne. Each time this happens, the "t" is omitted in > "net". > > Setting data into a standard window, it is not completely retained. I have > never before seen this in various W98SE machines. > > Advice? > > ms
Guest ms Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in news:uKHXIgxMIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: > You don't put *anything_like* "mail.copper.net" as a server name in > any part of a DUN connection's Properties. That's a mail server > address and has no business as part of a DUN connection. It's useful > only to a program used to send or retrieve email. > > Furthermore, you *do_not* want to log onto any domain. That's probably > what's screwing up the connection. Sorry again that I don't have a DUN > connection in front of me for reference, but that item that is checked > by default that talks about logging onto a server should be unchecked, > and any server name left blank. Those options aren't used for a > standard public DUN ISP. > Thanks, Gary. Now with a working DUN, as above, I will remove those entries, try it and post back. IIRC (a senior with bad sleep), I put the ISP data there in other machines in the past, it worked. I guess you are saying the correct phone number is all that's necessary? me
Guest ms Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in news:uKHXIgxMIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: > You don't put *anything_like* "mail.copper.net" as a server name in > any part of a DUN connection's Properties. That's a mail server > address and has no business as part of a DUN connection. It's useful > only to a program used to send or retrieve email. > > Furthermore, you *do_not* want to log onto any domain. That's probably > what's screwing up the connection. Sorry again that I don't have a DUN > connection in front of me for reference, but that item that is checked > by default that talks about logging onto a server should be unchecked, > and any server name left blank. Those options aren't used for a > standard public DUN ISP. > You have a much better memory than I do, above is right, of course. I deleted the entries I'd made, checked the "Automatically detect the ...", DUN works fine again. Thanks again ms
Guest ms Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:#1BpL1wMIHA.5360 @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > ms wrote: > >|> BTW, on a different computer about 6 months ago, with dark lines in >|> the display, you advised uninstall/reinstall the video drivers in >|> Safe Mode, will be doing that shortly. >|> >| Maybe I should repost that problem, to take a fresh look at it? > > Yes, repost it. > >| Thanks again for your help. > > You are welcome. > PCR: I read my saved data file from last June. Yourself and some of the other good folks here gave advice, I will dig through it, try some things, then repost with results, in about a week. And they say in retirement, you can do anything you want to, lots of time. It's been 15 years, and I still have a todo list, so to speak. ms ms
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained Phone number, any additional dialing instructions (9 to get outside line, for instance.) Username and password. AFAIK, that's it. And I'm not *sure* where the default "log on to server" switch is set, but it needs to be unset. Personally, I'd leave the one you have alone and create a new one. Put in only the phone number and dialing instructions (if any) and then username and password when prompted. See if it works. If not, find that setting that talks about logging on to a server and uncheck it. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message news:5ramcrF13ee6hU1@mid.individual.net... > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in > news:uKHXIgxMIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: > >> You don't put *anything_like* "mail.copper.net" as a server name in >> any part of a DUN connection's Properties. That's a mail server >> address and has no business as part of a DUN connection. It's useful >> only to a program used to send or retrieve email. >> >> Furthermore, you *do_not* want to log onto any domain. That's probably >> what's screwing up the connection. Sorry again that I don't have a DUN >> connection in front of me for reference, but that item that is checked >> by default that talks about logging onto a server should be unchecked, >> and any server name left blank. Those options aren't used for a >> standard public DUN ISP. >> > > Thanks, Gary. > > Now with a working DUN, as above, I will remove those entries, try it and > post back. > > IIRC (a senior with bad sleep), I put the ISP data there in other > machines in the past, it worked. I guess you are saying the correct phone > number is all that's necessary? > > me
Guest ms Posted December 1, 2007 Posted December 1, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in news:#nv3sC6MIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: > Phone number, any additional dialing instructions (9 to get outside > line, for instance.) Username and password. AFAIK, that's it. And I'm > not *sure* where the default "log on to server" switch is set, but it > needs to be unset. Personally, I'd leave the one you have alone and > create a new one. Put in only the phone number and dialing > instructions (if any) and then username and password when prompted. > See if it works. If not, find that setting that talks about logging on > to a server and uncheck it. > I did try that, a new connectoid, nameed it, entered phone number, username, password, set that one as default, Dialup several times, reboot, finally, dialup works, modem sounds normal, but there is a very long (1 minute or so) "logging on to network" delay that was never there before, then the connection is made. The old one did work better, but this one is simpler. Tomorrow I will look for "that setting that talks about logging on to a server and uncheck it". ms
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted December 1, 2007 Posted December 1, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained It's as I said... The default DUN connectoid works *except* for that "log on to network" or "log on to server" setting (on the Advanced tab, I believe.) That default setting needs to be unset for many if not most DUN connectoids. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message news:5rbqc6F10a3sgU1@mid.individual.net... > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in > news:#nv3sC6MIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: > >> Phone number, any additional dialing instructions (9 to get outside >> line, for instance.) Username and password. AFAIK, that's it. And I'm >> not *sure* where the default "log on to server" switch is set, but it >> needs to be unset. Personally, I'd leave the one you have alone and >> create a new one. Put in only the phone number and dialing >> instructions (if any) and then username and password when prompted. >> See if it works. If not, find that setting that talks about logging on >> to a server and uncheck it. >> > > I did try that, a new connectoid, nameed it, entered phone number, > username, password, set that one as default, > > Dialup several times, reboot, finally, dialup works, modem sounds normal, > but there is a very long (1 minute or so) "logging on to network" delay > that was never there before, then the connection is made. > > The old one did work better, but this one is simpler. > Tomorrow I will look for "that setting that talks about logging on > to a server and uncheck it". > > ms >
Guest ms Posted December 1, 2007 Posted December 1, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in news:u8mwivDNIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: > It's as I said... The default DUN connectoid works *except* for that > "log on to network" or "log on to server" setting (on the Advanced > tab, I believe.) That default setting needs to be unset for many if > not most DUN connectoids. > It works fine now, as you suggested, I found the default setting "log on to network" and unchecked it. Based upon your data, this summarizes what worked for me, useful for next time. 1. Create new connectoid. 2. In Properties: a. Username b. Password c. Phone number- enter area code and phone number as one entry. 3. In Advanced: Uncheck Log on to Network 4. Network: a. Remove NetBEUI b. Select TCP/IP c. Select MS Family Logon 5. Dialup, enter password, if working, a connection. 6. Disconnect. 7. Dialup again enter password, check Save Password box. May have omitted something, if so please comment. Thanks for your help. ms
Guest PCR Posted December 1, 2007 Posted December 1, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained ms wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:#1BpL1wMIHA.5360 | @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: | |> ms wrote: |> |>|> BTW, on a different computer about 6 months ago, with dark lines in |>|> the display, you advised uninstall/reinstall the video drivers in |>|> Safe Mode, will be doing that shortly. |>|> |>| Maybe I should repost that problem, to take a fresh look at it? |> |> Yes, repost it. |> |>| Thanks again for your help. |> |> You are welcome. |> | PCR: | | I read my saved data file from last June. Yourself and some of the | other good folks here gave advice, I will dig through it, try some | things, then repost with results, in about a week. Very well. Right! There ARE a lot of good people left here. But HURRY, before ares & his troop of archeologists dig up & drag glee off to Missoula, MT...!... news:F4095859-AA67-427D-810A-E2869B90D29D@microsoft.com | And they say in | retirement, you can do anything you want to, lots of time. It's been | 15 years, and I still have a todo list, so to speak. Uhuh. I lost my original to-do list-- BUT the first item on my new one is to find the original! | ms | | ms -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted December 2, 2007 Posted December 2, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained I made a to-do list back in Sept. of a dozen things to get done this fall, and I've actually completed one of them. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:%23RJjTJHNIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > ms wrote: > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:#1BpL1wMIHA.5360 > | @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > | > |> ms wrote: > |> > |>|> BTW, on a different computer about 6 months ago, with dark lines in > |>|> the display, you advised uninstall/reinstall the video drivers in > |>|> Safe Mode, will be doing that shortly. > |>|> > |>| Maybe I should repost that problem, to take a fresh look at it? > |> > |> Yes, repost it. > |> > |>| Thanks again for your help. > |> > |> You are welcome. > |> > | PCR: > | > | I read my saved data file from last June. Yourself and some of the > | other good folks here gave advice, I will dig through it, try some > | things, then repost with results, in about a week. > > Very well. Right! There ARE a lot of good people left here. But HURRY, > before ares & his troop of archeologists dig up & drag glee off to > Missoula, MT...!... > news:F4095859-AA67-427D-810A-E2869B90D29D@microsoft.com > > | And they say in > | retirement, you can do anything you want to, lots of time. It's been > | 15 years, and I still have a todo list, so to speak. > > Uhuh. I lost my original to-do list-- BUT the first item on my new one > is to find the original! > > | ms > | > | ms > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted December 2, 2007 Posted December 2, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained Sounds right to me. Lord, I did it a few thousand times between '95 and '02, and many, many times since then. You'd think I'd remember... -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message news:5rdjv8F14b66hU1@mid.individual.net... > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in > news:u8mwivDNIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: > >> It's as I said... The default DUN connectoid works *except* for that >> "log on to network" or "log on to server" setting (on the Advanced >> tab, I believe.) That default setting needs to be unset for many if >> not most DUN connectoids. >> > > It works fine now, as you suggested, I found the default setting "log on > to network" and unchecked it. > > Based upon your data, this summarizes what worked for me, useful for next > time. > > 1. Create new connectoid. > > 2. In Properties: > a. Username > b. Password > c. Phone number- enter area code and phone number as one entry. > > 3. In Advanced: Uncheck Log on to Network > > 4. Network: > a. Remove NetBEUI > b. Select TCP/IP > c. Select MS Family Logon > > 5. Dialup, enter password, if working, a connection. > > 6. Disconnect. > > 7. Dialup again enter password, check Save Password box. > > May have omitted something, if so please comment. > > Thanks for your help. > > ms >
Guest ms Posted December 2, 2007 Posted December 2, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in news:OWPogJQNIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: > Sounds right to me. Lord, I did it a few thousand times between '95 > and '02, and many, many times since then. You'd think I'd remember... > Thanks very much, Gary. ms
Guest PCR Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained Gary S. Terhune wrote: | I made a to-do list back in Sept. of a dozen things to get done this | fall, and I've actually completed one of them. Uhuh. But it doesn't count, if item one is to tear up the list! Was that it? | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:%23RJjTJHNIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> ms wrote: |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:#1BpL1wMIHA.5360 |> | @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: |> | |> |> ms wrote: |> |> |> |>|> BTW, on a different computer about 6 months ago, with dark |> |>|> lines in the display, you advised uninstall/reinstall the video |> |>|> drivers in Safe Mode, will be doing that shortly. |> |>|> |> |>| Maybe I should repost that problem, to take a fresh look at it? |> |> |> |> Yes, repost it. |> |> |> |>| Thanks again for your help. |> |> |> |> You are welcome. |> |> |> | PCR: |> | |> | I read my saved data file from last June. Yourself and some of the |> | other good folks here gave advice, I will dig through it, try some |> | things, then repost with results, in about a week. |> |> Very well. Right! There ARE a lot of good people left here. But |> HURRY, before ares & his troop of archeologists dig up & drag glee |> off to Missoula, MT...!... |> news:F4095859-AA67-427D-810A-E2869B90D29D@microsoft.com |> |> | And they say in |> | retirement, you can do anything you want to, lots of time. It's |> | been 15 years, and I still have a todo list, so to speak. |> |> Uhuh. I lost my original to-do list-- BUT the first item on my new |> one is to find the original! |> |> | ms |> | |> | ms |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained ms wrote: | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in | news:OWPogJQNIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: | |> Sounds right to me. Lord, I did it a few thousand times between '95 |> and '02, and many, many times since then. You'd think I'd remember... |> | | Thanks very much, Gary. I'm glad to see the final touches have been applied to your connectoid w/o wrecking it again. I thought something was still fishy about it! Very good! | ms -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained LOL! No, but that's a GRRREAT idea! Then I'll have done two of them. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:OJsedYgNIHA.6060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: > | I made a to-do list back in Sept. of a dozen things to get done this > | fall, and I've actually completed one of them. > > Uhuh. But it doesn't count, if item one is to tear up the list! Was that > it? > > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > | news:%23RJjTJHNIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > |> ms wrote: > |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:#1BpL1wMIHA.5360 > |> | @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > |> | > |> |> ms wrote: > |> |> > |> |>|> BTW, on a different computer about 6 months ago, with dark > |> |>|> lines in the display, you advised uninstall/reinstall the video > |> |>|> drivers in Safe Mode, will be doing that shortly. > |> |>|> > |> |>| Maybe I should repost that problem, to take a fresh look at it? > |> |> > |> |> Yes, repost it. > |> |> > |> |>| Thanks again for your help. > |> |> > |> |> You are welcome. > |> |> > |> | PCR: > |> | > |> | I read my saved data file from last June. Yourself and some of the > |> | other good folks here gave advice, I will dig through it, try some > |> | things, then repost with results, in about a week. > |> > |> Very well. Right! There ARE a lot of good people left here. But > |> HURRY, before ares & his troop of archeologists dig up & drag glee > |> off to Missoula, MT...!... > |> news:F4095859-AA67-427D-810A-E2869B90D29D@microsoft.com > |> > |> | And they say in > |> | retirement, you can do anything you want to, lots of time. It's > |> | been 15 years, and I still have a todo list, so to speak. > |> > |> Uhuh. I lost my original to-do list-- BUT the first item on my new > |> one is to find the original! > |> > |> | ms > |> | > |> | ms > |> > |> -- > |> Thanks or Good Luck, > |> There may be humor in this post, and, > |> Naturally, you will not sue, > |> Should things get worse after this, > |> PCR > |> pcrrcp@netzero.net > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest PCR Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained Gary S. Terhune wrote: | LOL! No, but that's a GRRREAT idea! Then I'll have done two of them. Glad to have been of assistance. Too bad I didn't think of it before my own list was 24 items long. But I've lost it! | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:OJsedYgNIHA.6060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: |> | I made a to-do list back in Sept. of a dozen things to get done |> | this fall, and I've actually completed one of them. |> |> Uhuh. But it doesn't count, if item one is to tear up the list! Was |> that it? |> |> | -- |> | Gary S. Terhune |> | MS-MVP Shell/User |> | http://www.grystmill.com |> | |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> | news:%23RJjTJHNIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> |> ms wrote: |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:#1BpL1wMIHA.5360 |> |> | @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: |> |> | |> |> |> ms wrote: |> |> |> |> |> |>|> BTW, on a different computer about 6 months ago, with dark |> |> |>|> lines in the display, you advised uninstall/reinstall the |> |> |>|> video drivers in Safe Mode, will be doing that shortly. |> |> |>|> |> |> |>| Maybe I should repost that problem, to take a fresh look at |> |> |>| it? |> |> |> |> |> |> Yes, repost it. |> |> |> |> |> |>| Thanks again for your help. |> |> |> |> |> |> You are welcome. |> |> |> |> |> | PCR: |> |> | |> |> | I read my saved data file from last June. Yourself and some of |> |> | the other good folks here gave advice, I will dig through it, |> |> | try some things, then repost with results, in about a week. |> |> |> |> Very well. Right! There ARE a lot of good people left here. But |> |> HURRY, before ares & his troop of archeologists dig up & drag glee |> |> off to Missoula, MT...!... |> |> news:F4095859-AA67-427D-810A-E2869B90D29D@microsoft.com |> |> |> |> | And they say in |> |> | retirement, you can do anything you want to, lots of time. It's |> |> | been 15 years, and I still have a todo list, so to speak. |> |> |> |> Uhuh. I lost my original to-do list-- BUT the first item on my new |> |> one is to find the original! |> |> |> |> | ms |> |> | |> |> | ms |> |> |> |> -- |> |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> |> Should things get worse after this, |> |> PCR |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest ms Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:etXIeagNIHA.4136 @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > ms wrote: >| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in >| news:OWPogJQNIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: >| >|> Sounds right to me. Lord, I did it a few thousand times between '95 >|> and '02, and many, many times since then. You'd think I'd remember... >|> >| >| Thanks very much, Gary. > > I'm glad to see the final touches have been applied to your connectoid > w/o wrecking it again. I thought something was still fishy about it! > Very good! > >| ms > The never-ending story. I booted up today, DUN password blank ?? BTW, this computer greets me with a windows password screen, so be aware that situation exists, don't know if it matters. Anyway, on seond dialup after reboot, it still didn't save password, was at Family logon. I changed back to Windows logon. When I did that the other day, it called for the OS CD, a few days ago, it got files, yet today when I went back to Windows logon, again it asked for CD, again gets files- now why does that happen?? Anyway, it saved password on a reboot, I shut down, booted up, it did not save password. I dunno. ms
Guest PCR Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained ms wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:etXIeagNIHA.4136 | @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: | |> ms wrote: |>| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in |>| news:OWPogJQNIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: |>| |>|> Sounds right to me. Lord, I did it a few thousand times between '95 |>|> and '02, and many, many times since then. You'd think I'd |>|> remember... |>|> |>| |>| Thanks very much, Gary. |> |> I'm glad to see the final touches have been applied to your |> connectoid w/o wrecking it again. I thought something was still |> fishy about it! Very good! |> |>| ms |> | | The never-ending story. | | I booted up today, DUN password blank ?? Sheesh! The original problem was that you had no DUN at all or it wouldn't work, though, & that is solved now-- right? | BTW, this computer greets me with a windows password screen, so be | aware that situation exists, don't know if it matters. It might matter, if both the logon & DUN passwords use the same .pwl (password) file. Then, if your fix is to delete that, you lose both passwords. | Anyway, on seond dialup after reboot, it still didn't save password, | was at Family logon. Here's an article with suggestions... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/148925/en-us Dial-up networking password is not saved Read through it, & post a plan for examination. But I've personally never had to do any of that-- I don't use any passwords, except the one in my NetZero DUN. I don't seem to have the Registry settings that article speaks of (including no ProfilesList), & the only .pwl file I have is Default.pwl. And at Control Panel, Network, I am set... Client for Microsoft Networks, Dial-Up Adapter, & TCP/IP. But I can't swear that is what you should be! So... we must hope Terhune hasn't fallen into a deeper than usual earthquake! Here are other articles, which may/may not precisely apply... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/136833/en-us Cannot Connect to Internet Using MSN as Service Provider http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;152104&Product=w98 How to Prevent a Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me Logon Prompt at Startup http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;148925&Product=w98 Dial-Up Networking Dialog Box Prompts for Domain Name http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;230059&Product=w98 Windows 98/Me Client Cannot Change Password | I changed back to Windows logon. When I did that the other day, it | called for the OS CD, a few days ago, it got files, yet today when I | went back to Windows logon, again it asked for CD, again gets files- | now why does that happen?? Not sure. Did it seem to ask for the same files? Can it have wanted to go back to Client for Microsoft Networks? | Anyway, it saved password on a reboot, I shut down, booted up, it did | not save password. I dunno. Read through those articles & try something or just post a plan. | ms -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest ms Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:u8lv2u5NIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > ms wrote: >| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:etXIeagNIHA.4136 >| @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: >| >|> ms wrote: >|>| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in >|>| news:OWPogJQNIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: >|>| >|>|> Sounds right to me. Lord, I did it a few thousand times between >|>|> '95 and '02, and many, many times since then. You'd think I'd >|>|> remember... >|>|> >|>| >|>| Thanks very much, Gary. >|> >|> I'm glad to see the final touches have been applied to your >|> connectoid w/o wrecking it again. I thought something was still >|> fishy about it! Very good! >|> >|>| ms >|> >| >| The never-ending story. >| >| I booted up today, DUN password blank ?? > > Sheesh! The original problem was that you had no DUN at all or it > wouldn't work, though, & that is solved now-- right? > It now dials up very reliably, if I enter the password, and reboot, that time the password is saved. >| BTW, this computer greets me with a windows password screen, so be >| aware that situation exists, don't know if it matters. > > It might matter, if both the logon & DUN passwords use the same .pwl > (password) file. Then, if your fix is to delete that, you lose both > passwords. > >| Anyway, on seond dialup after reboot, it still didn't save password, >| was at Family logon. > > Here's an article with suggestions... > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/148925/en-us > Dial-up networking password is not saved > > Read through it, & post a plan for examination. But I've personally > never had to do any of that-- I don't use any passwords, except the > one in my NetZero DUN. I don't seem to have the Registry settings that > article speaks of (including no ProfilesList), & the only .pwl file I > have is Default.pwl. And at Control Panel, Network, I am set... Client > for Microsoft Networks, Dial-Up Adapter, & TCP/IP. But I can't swear > that is what you should be! > > So... we must hope Terhune hasn't fallen into a deeper than usual > earthquake! > > Here are other articles, which may/may not precisely apply... > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/136833/en-us > Cannot Connect to Internet Using MSN as Service Provider > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;152104&Product= > w98 How to Prevent a Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me Logon > Prompt at Startup > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;148925&Product= > w98 Dial-Up Networking Dialog Box Prompts for Domain Name > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;230059&Product= > w98 Windows 98/Me Client Cannot Change Password > >| I changed back to Windows logon. When I did that the other day, it >| called for the OS CD, a few days ago, it got files, yet today when I >| went back to Windows logon, again it asked for CD, again gets files- >| now why does that happen?? > > Not sure. Did it seem to ask for the same files? Can it have wanted to > go back to Client for Microsoft Networks? > >| Anyway, it saved password on a reboot, I shut down, booted up, it did >| not save password. I dunno. > > Read through those articles & try something or just post a plan. > Many thanks for that information. Just today, I configured the firewall, loaded the last updates of some utilities, and put the desktop away in storage. It is for backup if my main machine needs repair. With age and energy situations, I can't keep up with more than 2 machines, which I have running now. So I will save that excellent data for the next time I boot up this machine, it will come in handy. On my todo list is still that Dell 600 with the wierd video problem, some of those suggestions were heavy-duty, so will take time. Thanks again, will post on the Dell later. BTW, I assume your address in your sig is invalid? ms
Guest PCR Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: Entered data is not retained ms wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in | news:u8lv2u5NIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: | |> ms wrote: |>| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:etXIeagNIHA.4136 |>| @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: |>| |>|> ms wrote: |>|>| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in |>|>| news:OWPogJQNIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: |>|>| |>|>|> Sounds right to me. Lord, I did it a few thousand times between |>|>|> '95 and '02, and many, many times since then. You'd think I'd |>|>|> remember... |>|>|> |>|>| |>|>| Thanks very much, Gary. |>|> |>|> I'm glad to see the final touches have been applied to your |>|> connectoid w/o wrecking it again. I thought something was still |>|> fishy about it! Very good! |>|> |>|>| ms |>|> |>| |>| The never-ending story. |>| |>| I booted up today, DUN password blank ?? |> |> Sheesh! The original problem was that you had no DUN at all or it |> wouldn't work, though, & that is solved now-- right? |> | It now dials up very reliably, if I enter the password, and reboot, | that time the password is saved. OK. If you have trouble with the password again, now I have discovered a wealth of info at... "START, Help, Windows 98 Troubleshooters, Modem, I cannot save my password for my Dial-Up Networking connection" (If you have trouble with blank pages there, post back for the cure.) It's really a lot of what we already have discovered in those URLs. But the 2nd suggestion does say you may need to be "Client for Microsoft Networks" (not "Windows logon", as I think you said you are)... .......Quote 2nd Help Screen......... Is the Microsoft Client for Microsoft Networks installed? Problems can occur if you have installed Dial-Up Networking, but have not installed the Microsoft Client for Microsoft Networks. To verify that the Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on your computer 1. Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel, and then double-click Network. 2. On the Configuration tab, verify that Client for Microsoft Networks appears in the list of installed components. To install the Client for Microsoft Networks if it is not already installed 1. Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel, and then double-click Network. 2. Click Add. 3. Click Client, and then click Add. 4. Under Manufacturers, click Microsoft. 5. Under Network Clients, click Client for Microsoft Networks, click OK, and then click OK again. 6. Restart your computer when you are prompted to do so. ........EOQ the Help Screen............. |>| BTW, this computer greets me with a windows password screen, so be |>| aware that situation exists, don't know if it matters. |> |> It might matter, if both the logon & DUN passwords use the same .pwl |> (password) file. Then, if your fix is to delete that, you lose both |> passwords. |> |>| Anyway, on seond dialup after reboot, it still didn't save password, |>| was at Family logon. |> |> Here's an article with suggestions... |> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/148925/en-us |> Dial-up networking password is not saved |> |> Read through it, & post a plan for examination. But I've personally |> never had to do any of that-- I don't use any passwords, except the |> one in my NetZero DUN. I don't seem to have the Registry settings |> that article speaks of (including no ProfilesList), & the only .pwl |> file I have is Default.pwl. And at Control Panel, Network, I am |> set... Client for Microsoft Networks, Dial-Up Adapter, & TCP/IP. But |> I can't swear that is what you should be! |> |> So... we must hope Terhune hasn't fallen into a deeper than usual |> earthquake! |> |> Here are other articles, which may/may not precisely apply... |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/136833/en-us |> Cannot Connect to Internet Using MSN as Service Provider |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;152104&Product= |> w98 How to Prevent a Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me Logon |> Prompt at Startup |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;148925&Product= |> w98 Dial-Up Networking Dialog Box Prompts for Domain Name |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;230059&Product= |> w98 Windows 98/Me Client Cannot Change Password |> |>| I changed back to Windows logon. When I did that the other day, it |>| called for the OS CD, a few days ago, it got files, yet today when I |>| went back to Windows logon, again it asked for CD, again gets files- |>| now why does that happen?? |> |> Not sure. Did it seem to ask for the same files? Can it have wanted |> to go back to Client for Microsoft Networks? |> |>| Anyway, it saved password on a reboot, I shut down, booted up, it |>| did not save password. I dunno. |> |> Read through those articles & try something or just post a plan. |> | | Many thanks for that information. Just today, I configured the | firewall, loaded the last updates of some utilities, and put the | desktop away in storage. It is for backup if my main machine needs | repair. With age and energy situations, I can't keep up with more | than 2 machines, which I have running now. OK. You are welcome. | So I will save that excellent data for the next time I boot up this | machine, it will come in handy. Go for those Help screens first thing! There is lots there! | On my todo list is still that Dell 600 with the wierd video problem, | some of those suggestions were heavy-duty, so will take time. Take all the time you need. Terhune is still climbing out the earthquake, anyhow, looks like-- & has lost 3 poodles & 7 fingernails! | Thanks again, will post on the Dell later. BTW, I assume your address | in your sig is invalid? No. But usually I just tell those who try it to post to the group instead! | ms -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
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