Remote Site & Printers

[Guest Nosfuratu]

Hi all,

 

So we are looking at opening a 2nd site, just getting all the gear for

it now...at the 1st site (orig) we have a DB svr and a TS svr...all

running great....

 

For the 2nd site, I have been trying to avoid running a VPN as my

experiences with them have been average.....they've screwed me around

to the point of if I can avoid them, I will...

 

So I had planned on just getting everyone to remote into the TS and

thought all would be good....

 

What I hadn't planned on was the introduction of network printers at

the 2nd site...I was told originally just LPT and USB printers used

and I thought ok, not a problem, just bring them through the

session....

 

At a previous business, we had mapped network printers between sites

using IIS ....now that worked incredibly...but the thing is, they had

a 2k3 server at both ends....what i'm wondering is, can I do the same

with a XP pro machine at site 2? or will I need to make it 2k3 svr as

well?

 

Also I am struggling to remember the actual ports used for this, I

thought it was just 80, but I could be wrong...

 

Any suggestions on this whole thing? Any thoughts on the xp -> 2k3 or

2k3 -> 2k3 for mapping network printers?

 

Thanks,

Nos.

 

p.s. i had already written this but it didn't post, so if i've missed

anything its prob cos i thought i'd covered it already sorry....

[Guest moncho]

Re: Remote Site & Printers

 

Nosfuratu wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> So we are looking at opening a 2nd site, just getting all the gear for

> it now...at the 1st site (orig) we have a DB svr and a TS svr...all

> running great....

>

> For the 2nd site, I have been trying to avoid running a VPN as my

> experiences with them have been average.....they've screwed me around

> to the point of if I can avoid them, I will...

 

Are you planning on putting your TS server directly on the Internet?

Not really recommended, but definitely possible.

 

Have you thought about an SSL VPN vs. an IPSec or site-to-site VPN?

>

> So I had planned on just getting everyone to remote into the TS and

> thought all would be good....

>

> What I hadn't planned on was the introduction of network printers at

> the 2nd site...I was told originally just LPT and USB printers used

> and I thought ok, not a problem, just bring them through the

> session....

 

Network printers will be just fine as long as you are using the

latest version of RDP.

>

> At a previous business, we had mapped network printers between sites

> using IIS ....now that worked incredibly...but the thing is, they had

> a 2k3 server at both ends....what i'm wondering is, can I do the same

> with a XP pro machine at site 2? or will I need to make it 2k3 svr as

> well?

>

> Also I am struggling to remember the actual ports used for this, I

> thought it was just 80, but I could be wrong...

>

> Any suggestions on this whole thing? Any thoughts on the xp -> 2k3 or

> 2k3 -> 2k3 for mapping network printers?

 

Just map them from XP and call it a day.

 

Just make sure that you are using printers that use currently installed

W2K3 print drivers and you "should" not have any issues.

 

moncho

[Guest Nosfuratu]

Re: Remote Site & Printers

 

On Nov 29, 10:13 pm, moncho <mon...@NOspmanywhere.com> wrote:

> Nosfuratu wrote:

> > Hi all,

>

> > So we are looking at opening a 2nd site, just getting all the gear for

> > it now...at the 1st site (orig) we have a DB svr and a TS svr...all

> > running great....

>

> > For the 2nd site, I have been trying to avoid running a VPN as my

> > experiences with them have been average.....they've screwed me around

> > to the point of if I can avoid them, I will...

>

> Are you planning on putting your TS server directly on the Internet?

> Not really recommended, but definitely possible.

>

> Have you thought about an SSL VPN vs. an IPSec or site-to-site VPN?

>

>

>

> > So I had planned on just getting everyone to remote into the TS and

> > thought all would be good....

>

> > What I hadn't planned on was the introduction of network printers at

> > the 2nd site...I was told originally just LPT and USB printers used

> > and I thought ok, not a problem, just bring them through the

> > session....

>

> Network printers will be just fine as long as you are using the

> latest version of RDP.

>

>

>

> > At a previous business, we had mapped network printers between sites

> > using IIS ....now that worked incredibly...but the thing is, they had

> > a 2k3 server at both ends....what i'm wondering is, can I do the same

> > with a XP pro machine at site 2? or will I need to make it 2k3 svr as

> > well?

>

> > Also I am struggling to remember the actual ports used for this, I

> > thought it was just 80, but I could be wrong...

>

> > Any suggestions on this whole thing? Any thoughts on the xp -> 2k3 or

> > 2k3 -> 2k3 for mapping network printers?

>

> Just map them from XP and call it a day.

>

> Just make sure that you are using printers that use currently installed

> W2K3 print drivers and you "should" not have any issues.

>

> moncho

 

Hey Moncho,

 

thanks for the thoughts....so by your reasoning, I should be fine to

just connect to the network printer with the xp machine, then just use

the RDP to forward it through? only problem would be I would have over

90 printers showing up, if i had 30 users, with 3 network printers,

all bringing them through, not including the ones that are usb/

lpt...it would be near impossible to find anything but the default

yeah?

 

also I don't want the TS to be put directly on the internet...

 

any more idea's? what is the best method? IPSec? or the site to site

VPN? (which was more the way i was leaning, if i do that..otherwise I

just use rdp to connect to 124.124.124.124) ....is that ok to do it

that way or slow?

 

thanks,

Nos

[Guest moncho]

Re: Remote Site & Printers

 

Nosfuratu wrote:

> On Nov 29, 10:13 pm, moncho <mon...@NOspmanywhere.com> wrote:

>> Nosfuratu wrote:

>>> Hi all,

>>> So we are looking at opening a 2nd site, just getting all the gear for

>>> it now...at the 1st site (orig) we have a DB svr and a TS svr...all

>>> running great....

>>> For the 2nd site, I have been trying to avoid running a VPN as my

>>> experiences with them have been average.....they've screwed me around

>>> to the point of if I can avoid them, I will...

>> Are you planning on putting your TS server directly on the Internet?

>> Not really recommended, but definitely possible.

>>

>> Have you thought about an SSL VPN vs. an IPSec or site-to-site VPN?

>>

>>

>>

>>> So I had planned on just getting everyone to remote into the TS and

>>> thought all would be good....

>>> What I hadn't planned on was the introduction of network printers at

>>> the 2nd site...I was told originally just LPT and USB printers used

>>> and I thought ok, not a problem, just bring them through the

>>> session....

>> Network printers will be just fine as long as you are using the

>> latest version of RDP.

>>

>>

>>

>>> At a previous business, we had mapped network printers between sites

>>> using IIS ....now that worked incredibly...but the thing is, they had

>>> a 2k3 server at both ends....what i'm wondering is, can I do the same

>>> with a XP pro machine at site 2? or will I need to make it 2k3 svr as

>>> well?

>>> Also I am struggling to remember the actual ports used for this, I

>>> thought it was just 80, but I could be wrong...

>>> Any suggestions on this whole thing? Any thoughts on the xp -> 2k3 or

>>> 2k3 -> 2k3 for mapping network printers?

>> Just map them from XP and call it a day.

>>

>> Just make sure that you are using printers that use currently installed

>> W2K3 print drivers and you "should" not have any issues.

>>

>> moncho

>

> Hey Moncho,

>

> thanks for the thoughts....so by your reasoning, I should be fine to

> just connect to the network printer with the xp machine, then just use

> the RDP to forward it through? only problem would be I would have over

> 90 printers showing up, if i had 30 users, with 3 network printers,

> all bringing them through, not including the ones that are usb/

> lpt...it would be near impossible to find anything but the default

> yeah?

 

How many users are going to be at this remote site initially?

 

Do all your users NEED all three printers setup on their machine?

I am thinking no, but there may be a few that do, so it may not

be that bad to just map the printers.

 

I map about 60 printers with no issues, but many of them use

the same print driver or the printers sat idle and did not take

up many resources.

>

> also I don't want the TS to be put directly on the internet...

>

> any more idea's? what is the best method? IPSec? or the site to site

> VPN? (which was more the way i was leaning, if i do that..otherwise I

> just use rdp to connect to 124.124.124.124) ....is that ok to do it

> that way or slow?

 

There are others in this group that may have experience with

different/better solutions, but depending on the user count, type of

applications, and budget, your requirements may/will change.

 

When I first read your post about opening a new remote site,

I assumed it would be < 5 users, but you mentioned 30 users,

so I could be wrong.

 

moncho

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Remote Site & Printers

 

moncho <moncho@NOspmanywhere.com> wrote on 30 nov 2007 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Nosfuratu wrote:

>> On Nov 29, 10:13 pm, moncho <mon...@NOspmanywhere.com> wrote:

>>> Nosfuratu wrote:

>>>> Hi all,

>>>> So we are looking at opening a 2nd site, just getting all the

>>>> gear for it now...at the 1st site (orig) we have a DB svr and

>>>> a TS svr...all running great....

>>>> For the 2nd site, I have been trying to avoid running a VPN

>>>> as my experiences with them have been average.....they've

>>>> screwed me around to the point of if I can avoid them, I

>>>> will...

>>> Are you planning on putting your TS server directly on the

>>> Internet? Not really recommended, but definitely possible.

>>>

>>> Have you thought about an SSL VPN vs. an IPSec or site-to-site

>>> VPN?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> So I had planned on just getting everyone to remote into the

>>>> TS and thought all would be good....

>>>> What I hadn't planned on was the introduction of network

>>>> printers at the 2nd site...I was told originally just LPT and

>>>> USB printers used and I thought ok, not a problem, just bring

>>>> them through the session....

>>> Network printers will be just fine as long as you are using

>>> the latest version of RDP.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> At a previous business, we had mapped network printers

>>>> between sites using IIS ....now that worked incredibly...but

>>>> the thing is, they had a 2k3 server at both ends....what i'm

>>>> wondering is, can I do the same with a XP pro machine at site

>>>> 2? or will I need to make it 2k3 svr as well?

>>>> Also I am struggling to remember the actual ports used for

>>>> this, I thought it was just 80, but I could be wrong...

>>>> Any suggestions on this whole thing? Any thoughts on the xp

>>>> -> 2k3 or 2k3 -> 2k3 for mapping network printers?

>>> Just map them from XP and call it a day.

>>>

>>> Just make sure that you are using printers that use currently

>>> installed W2K3 print drivers and you "should" not have any

>>> issues.

>>>

>>> moncho

>>

>> Hey Moncho,

>>

>> thanks for the thoughts....so by your reasoning, I should be

>> fine to just connect to the network printer with the xp

>> machine, then just use the RDP to forward it through? only

>> problem would be I would have over 90 printers showing up, if i

>> had 30 users, with 3 network printers, all bringing them

>> through, not including the ones that are usb/ lpt...it would be

>> near impossible to find anything but the default yeah?

>

> How many users are going to be at this remote site initially?

>

> Do all your users NEED all three printers setup on their

> machine? I am thinking no, but there may be a few that do, so it

> may not be that bad to just map the printers.

>

> I map about 60 printers with no issues, but many of them use

> the same print driver or the printers sat idle and did not take

> up many resources.

>

>>

>> also I don't want the TS to be put directly on the internet...

>>

>> any more idea's? what is the best method? IPSec? or the site to

>> site VPN? (which was more the way i was leaning, if i do

>> that..otherwise I just use rdp to connect to 124.124.124.124)

>> ....is that ok to do it that way or slow?

>

> There are others in this group that may have experience with

> different/better solutions, but depending on the user count,

> type of applications, and budget, your requirements may/will

> change.

>

> When I first read your post about opening a new remote site,

> I assumed it would be < 5 users, but you mentioned 30 users,

> so I could be wrong.

>

> moncho

 

You can configure the clients to only redirect the default printer.

And note that users will only see their own printers, so they will

not have a problem finding their printer(s).

 

911913 - How to redirect the default printer of a Terminal Services

client to a Windows Server 2003 Terminal Server session (applies to

W2K as well)

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=911913

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