Windows 2003 Server Enterprise, or Small Business Server

[Guest chris_huh]

We are looking at properly setting up the business's network and i was

wondering which would be the better option. There would only be about

4 or 5 client PCs and one server, maybe a network printer too.

Looking at the two i would imagine SBS would be the better option, as

it has Outlook Web Access, which would be very useful, and by name is

designed for small businesses. Enterprise seems like it might be a bit

too much for this size network.

 

Is this right?

[Guest Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]]

Re: Windows 2003 Server Enterprise, or Small Business Server

 

Hi Chris,

 

I think SBS would be a much better fit (and more cost effective). Windows

Enterprise is really a product designed more for larger organizations or

maybe those who want to move to "virtualization".

 

SBS 2003 is based on Windows 2003 Server and comes in two flavors: Standard

and Premium. Both give you Exchange for email. SBS is designed

specifically for small businesses (up to 75 workstations and users) and

includes "Wizards" to do most of the common setup and maintenance. While

you can use OWA (Outlook Web Access), you can also use "RPC over HTTP" which

allows the remote user to use full blown Outlook on their computer by

securely accessing the SBS (Exchange) server without the need for a VPN.

The "Killer App" with SBS is Remote Web Workplace" (RWW) which, among other

things, allows remote users to access their dedicated LAN workstations via a

Remote Desktop (i.e., Terminal Server) session.

 

SBS Premium also gives you ISA 2004 firewall software and SQL 2005 Workgroup

Edition software.

 

SBS 2003 Online References

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs/msg/8225bbd13d4bae60

 

--

Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]

============================

 

 

"chris_huh" <chris.huh@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:632e13a8-259d-4a8c-89bb-f48e130403d9@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> We are looking at properly setting up the business's network and i was

> wondering which would be the better option. There would only be about

> 4 or 5 client PCs and one server, maybe a network printer too.

> Looking at the two i would imagine SBS would be the better option, as

> it has Outlook Web Access, which would be very useful, and by name is

> designed for small businesses. Enterprise seems like it might be a bit

> too much for this size network.

>

> Is this right?

[Guest chris_huh]

Re: Windows 2003 Server Enterprise, or Small Business Server

 

On 30 Nov, 19:23, "Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]" <mwport@no_spam_hotmail.com>

wrote:

> Hi Chris,

>

> I think SBS would be a much better fit (and more cost effective). Windows

> Enterprise is really a product designed more for larger organizations or

> maybe those who want to move to "virtualization".

>

> SBS 2003 is based on Windows 2003 Server and comes in two flavors: Standard

> and Premium. Both give you Exchange for email. SBS is designed

> specifically for small businesses (up to 75 workstations and users) and

> includes "Wizards" to do most of the common setup and maintenance. While

> you can use OWA (Outlook Web Access), you can also use "RPC over HTTP" which

> allows the remote user to use full blown Outlook on their computer by

> securely accessing the SBS (Exchange) server without the need for a VPN.

> The "Killer App" with SBS is Remote Web Workplace" (RWW) which, among other

> things, allows remote users to access their dedicated LAN workstations via a

> Remote Desktop (i.e., Terminal Server) session.

>

> SBS Premium also gives you ISA 2004 firewall software and SQL 2005 Workgroup

> Edition software.

>

> SBS 2003 Online Referenceshttp://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs/ms...

>

> --

> Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]

> ============================

>

> "chris_huh" <chris....@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:632e13a8-259d-4a8c-89bb-f48e130403d9@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

>

> > We are looking at properly setting up the business's network and i was

> > wondering which would be the better option. There would only be about

> > 4 or 5 client PCs and one server, maybe a network printer too.

> > Looking at the two i would imagine SBS would be the better option, as

> > it has Outlook Web Access, which would be very useful, and by name is

> > designed for small businesses. Enterprise seems like it might be a bit

> > too much for this size network.

>

> > Is this right?

 

Thanks for all that, very useful. The Remote Web Workplace; do you

need to have xp pro on the remote PC to access this. How exactly does

it work, do you just log in as you normally would through the windows

login screen, or is there a separate program that you install on the

remote PC which accesses it for you, or is it done through a http

browser like OWA.

 

How is remote access controlled though Windows Server Enterprise in

comparison to SBS?

 

When i try to look at prices for the 2 SBS does seem cheaper but i

find it difficult to find a 5 CAL version of Enterprise, they are

mostly 25CAL.

 

And that link of links you gave me is very handy, thanks.

[Guest SBS Rocker]

Re: Windows 2003 Server Enterprise, or Small Business Server

 

RWW is a functionality of SBS and is not available on Windowss 2003

Enterprise. you access RWW through your web browser using SSL.

i.e. https://IP or FQDN/remote. This takes you to the RWW homepage where you

select the option to connect to a desktop.

 

 

"chris_huh" <chris.huh@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:c1302c0b-30e2-4a1b-85b9-84794c15cade@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...

> On 30 Nov, 19:23, "Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]" <mwport@no_spam_hotmail.com>

> wrote:

>> Hi Chris,

>>

>> I think SBS would be a much better fit (and more cost effective).

>> Windows

>> Enterprise is really a product designed more for larger organizations or

>> maybe those who want to move to "virtualization".

>>

>> SBS 2003 is based on Windows 2003 Server and comes in two flavors:

>> Standard

>> and Premium. Both give you Exchange for email. SBS is designed

>> specifically for small businesses (up to 75 workstations and users) and

>> includes "Wizards" to do most of the common setup and maintenance. While

>> you can use OWA (Outlook Web Access), you can also use "RPC over HTTP"

>> which

>> allows the remote user to use full blown Outlook on their computer by

>> securely accessing the SBS (Exchange) server without the need for a VPN.

>> The "Killer App" with SBS is Remote Web Workplace" (RWW) which, among

>> other

>> things, allows remote users to access their dedicated LAN workstations

>> via a

>> Remote Desktop (i.e., Terminal Server) session.

>>

>> SBS Premium also gives you ISA 2004 firewall software and SQL 2005

>> Workgroup

>> Edition software.

>>

>> SBS 2003 Online

>> Referenceshttp://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs/ms...

>>

>> --

>> Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]

>> ============================

>>

>> "chris_huh" <chris....@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:632e13a8-259d-4a8c-89bb-f48e130403d9@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> > We are looking at properly setting up the business's network and i was

>> > wondering which would be the better option. There would only be about

>> > 4 or 5 client PCs and one server, maybe a network printer too.

>> > Looking at the two i would imagine SBS would be the better option, as

>> > it has Outlook Web Access, which would be very useful, and by name is

>> > designed for small businesses. Enterprise seems like it might be a bit

>> > too much for this size network.

>>

>> > Is this right?

>

> Thanks for all that, very useful. The Remote Web Workplace; do you

> need to have xp pro on the remote PC to access this. How exactly does

> it work, do you just log in as you normally would through the windows

> login screen, or is there a separate program that you install on the

> remote PC which accesses it for you, or is it done through a http

> browser like OWA.

>

> How is remote access controlled though Windows Server Enterprise in

> comparison to SBS?

>

> When i try to look at prices for the 2 SBS does seem cheaper but i

> find it difficult to find a 5 CAL version of Enterprise, they are

> mostly 25CAL.

>

> And that link of links you gave me is very handy, thanks.

[Guest Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]]

Re: Windows 2003 Server Enterprise, or Small Business Server

 

XP pro is not needed on the remote machine (it could be Win98, XP HE or XP,

Vista).. The remote computer installs an ActiveX app and then gets a login

screen much like OWA. However, Windows XP Pro (or Vista Business/Ultimate)

is needed for workstations on the SBS LAN.

 

Remote Web Workplace (RWW) Part II - Controlling portal access

http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/2006/11/03/remote-web-workplace-rww-part-ii-controlling-portal-access.aspx

 

Remote access using Windows Enterprise would need to be done via a terminal

server session (and probably a separate TS machine) or via a VPN (which can

lead to poor end users experience because of increased bandwidth required by

VPN).

 

Not sure what you mean by "2 SBS". You really don't even want to think

about using Windows 2003 Enterprise. Windows 2003 Standard should give you

all the that your would need for a small network (but, again, SBS 2003 would

be far better). Enterprise is not the right product for a small business.

 

Windows Small Business Server 2003 R2 Review

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/sbs2003r2.asp

 

SBS 2003 Review

http://www.networkworld.com/net.worker/reviews/2003/1013netrev.html

 

You may want to get the trial version of SBS 2003. Then install Virtual PC

2007 on a desktop with at least 1 GB of RAM and 20 GB hard drive space.

Then install the Trial SBS software into VPC and start playing with it.

Plan on installing SBS at least 3 times: once to see what the SBS

installation interface looks like and what info you need to gather about

your network and domain; a second time to tweak the install to your needs;

and a third time to document the install and create a base VPC image that

you can then use as a reference point and a starting base for "playing" with

the various SBS component settings.

 

Evaluate Windows Small Business Server 2003 R2

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/bb738394.aspx

 

Virtual PC 2007

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=04D26402-3199-48A3-AFA2-2DC0B40A73B6&displaylang=en

 

--

Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]

============================

 

"chris_huh" <chris.huh@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:c1302c0b-30e2-4a1b-85b9-84794c15cade@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...

> On 30 Nov, 19:23, "Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]" <mwport@no_spam_hotmail.com>

> wrote:

>> Hi Chris,

>>

>> I think SBS would be a much better fit (and more cost effective).

>> Windows

>> Enterprise is really a product designed more for larger organizations or

>> maybe those who want to move to "virtualization".

>>

>> SBS 2003 is based on Windows 2003 Server and comes in two flavors:

>> Standard

>> and Premium. Both give you Exchange for email. SBS is designed

>> specifically for small businesses (up to 75 workstations and users) and

>> includes "Wizards" to do most of the common setup and maintenance. While

>> you can use OWA (Outlook Web Access), you can also use "RPC over HTTP"

>> which

>> allows the remote user to use full blown Outlook on their computer by

>> securely accessing the SBS (Exchange) server without the need for a VPN.

>> The "Killer App" with SBS is Remote Web Workplace" (RWW) which, among

>> other

>> things, allows remote users to access their dedicated LAN workstations

>> via a

>> Remote Desktop (i.e., Terminal Server) session.

>>

>> SBS Premium also gives you ISA 2004 firewall software and SQL 2005

>> Workgroup

>> Edition software.

>>

>> SBS 2003 Online

>> Referenceshttp://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs/ms...

>>

>> --

>> Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]

>> ============================

>>

>> "chris_huh" <chris....@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:632e13a8-259d-4a8c-89bb-f48e130403d9@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> > We are looking at properly setting up the business's network and i was

>> > wondering which would be the better option. There would only be about

>> > 4 or 5 client PCs and one server, maybe a network printer too.

>> > Looking at the two i would imagine SBS would be the better option, as

>> > it has Outlook Web Access, which would be very useful, and by name is

>> > designed for small businesses. Enterprise seems like it might be a bit

>> > too much for this size network.

>>

>> > Is this right?

>

> Thanks for all that, very useful. The Remote Web Workplace; do you

> need to have xp pro on the remote PC to access this. How exactly does

> it work, do you just log in as you normally would through the windows

> login screen, or is there a separate program that you install on the

> remote PC which accesses it for you, or is it done through a http

> browser like OWA.

>

> How is remote access controlled though Windows Server Enterprise in

> comparison to SBS?

>

> When i try to look at prices for the 2 SBS does seem cheaper but i

> find it difficult to find a 5 CAL version of Enterprise, they are

> mostly 25CAL.

>

> And that link of links you gave me is very handy, thanks.

[Guest chris_huh]

Re: Windows 2003 Server Enterprise, or Small Business Server

 

On 30 Nov, 21:11, "Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]" <mwport@no_spam_hotmail.com>

wrote:

> XP pro is not needed on the remote machine (it could be Win98, XP HE or XP,

> Vista).. The remote computer installs an ActiveX app and then gets a login

> screen much like OWA. However, Windows XP Pro (or Vista Business/Ultimate)

> is needed for workstations on the SBS LAN.

>

> Remote Web Workplace (RWW) Part II - Controlling portal accesshttp://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/2006/11/03/remote-web-workplace-...

>

> Remote access using Windows Enterprise would need to be done via a terminal

> server session (and probably a separate TS machine) or via a VPN (which can

> lead to poor end users experience because of increased bandwidth required by

> VPN).

>

> Not sure what you mean by "2 SBS". You really don't even want to think

> about using Windows 2003 Enterprise. Windows 2003 Standard should give you

> all the that your would need for a small network (but, again, SBS 2003 would

> be far better). Enterprise is not the right product for a small business.

>

> Windows Small Business Server 2003 R2 Reviewhttp://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/sbs2003r2.asp

>

> SBS 2003 Reviewhttp://www.networkworld.com/net.worker/reviews/2003/1013netrev.html

>

> You may want to get the trial version of SBS 2003. Then install Virtual PC

> 2007 on a desktop with at least 1 GB of RAM and 20 GB hard drive space.

> Then install the Trial SBS software into VPC and start playing with it.

> Plan on installing SBS at least 3 times: once to see what the SBS

> installation interface looks like and what info you need to gather about

> your network and domain; a second time to tweak the install to your needs;

> and a third time to document the install and create a base VPC image that

> you can then use as a reference point and a starting base for "playing" with

> the various SBS component settings.

>

> Evaluate Windows Small Business Server 2003 R2http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/bb738394.aspx

>

> Virtual PC 2007http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=04D26402-319...

>

> --

> Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]

> ============================

>

> "chris_huh" <chris....@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:c1302c0b-30e2-4a1b-85b9-84794c15cade@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On 30 Nov, 19:23, "Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]" <mwport@no_spam_hotmail.com>

> > wrote:

> >> Hi Chris,

>

> >> I think SBS would be a much better fit (and more cost effective).

> >> Windows

> >> Enterprise is really a product designed more for larger organizations or

> >> maybe those who want to move to "virtualization".

>

> >> SBS 2003 is based on Windows 2003 Server and comes in two flavors:

> >> Standard

> >> and Premium. Both give you Exchange for email. SBS is designed

> >> specifically for small businesses (up to 75 workstations and users) and

> >> includes "Wizards" to do most of the common setup and maintenance. While

> >> you can use OWA (Outlook Web Access), you can also use "RPC over HTTP"

> >> which

> >> allows the remote user to use full blown Outlook on their computer by

> >> securely accessing the SBS (Exchange) server without the need for a VPN.

> >> The "Killer App" with SBS is Remote Web Workplace" (RWW) which, among

> >> other

> >> things, allows remote users to access their dedicated LAN workstations

> >> via a

> >> Remote Desktop (i.e., Terminal Server) session.

>

> >> SBS Premium also gives you ISA 2004 firewall software and SQL 2005

> >> Workgroup

> >> Edition software.

>

> >> SBS 2003 Online

> >> Referenceshttp://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs/ms...

>

> >> --

> >> Merv Porter [sBS-MVP]

> >> ============================

>

> >> "chris_huh" <chris....@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >>news:632e13a8-259d-4a8c-89bb-f48e130403d9@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

>

> >> > We are looking at properly setting up the business's network and i was

> >> > wondering which would be the better option. There would only be about

> >> > 4 or 5 client PCs and one server, maybe a network printer too.

> >> > Looking at the two i would imagine SBS would be the better option, as

> >> > it has Outlook Web Access, which would be very useful, and by name is

> >> > designed for small businesses. Enterprise seems like it might be a bit

> >> > too much for this size network.

>

> >> > Is this right?

>

> > Thanks for all that, very useful. The Remote Web Workplace; do you

> > need to have xp pro on the remote PC to access this. How exactly does

> > it work, do you just log in as you normally would through the windows

> > login screen, or is there a separate program that you install on the

> > remote PC which accesses it for you, or is it done through a http

> > browser like OWA.

>

> > How is remote access controlled though Windows Server Enterprise in

> > comparison to SBS?

>

> > When i try to look at prices for the 2 SBS does seem cheaper but i

> > find it difficult to find a 5 CAL version of Enterprise, they are

> > mostly 25CAL.

>

> > And that link of links you gave me is very handy, thanks.

 

Thanks again. I needed to include a comma there:

 

When i try to look at prices for the 2, SBS does seem cheaper but i

find it difficult to find a 5 CAL version of Enterprise, they are

mostly 25CAL.

 

But i guess the reason why they are 25 CAL is that it is for a much

larger network.

Remote access looks good, cheers.

[Guest Leythos]

Re: Windows 2003 Server Enterprise, or Small Business Server

 

In article <632e13a8-259d-4a8c-89bb-f48e130403d9

@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, chris.huh@gmail.com says...

> We are looking at properly setting up the business's network and i was

> wondering which would be the better option. There would only be about

> 4 or 5 client PCs and one server, maybe a network printer too.

> Looking at the two i would imagine SBS would be the better option, as

> it has Outlook Web Access, which would be very useful, and by name is

> designed for small businesses. Enterprise seems like it might be a bit

> too much for this size network.

>

> Is this right?

 

For a small company, under 50 employees (SBS has a limit of 75

concurrent users, but a single server with all those services is not

really effective above 50 employees), SBS 2003 R2 would be a perfect

fit. You get, included in the single package, Exchange email, SQL Server

(Premium version), File/Print server, Domain, Intranet website, Fax

server/hosting, wizards for maintenance functions and setup, single

server installation for all, but the best part is RWW - remote web

workplace, that permits you to use a web browser from anywhere in the

world to connect to your server or a workstation as though you were

sitting at it - like PcAnywhere, only better.

 

You want to purchase a real firewall appliance, quality server antivirus

software and quality Exchange aware AV scanner.

 

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