Which version for terminal services??

[Guest jawdoc]

I have a small network currently have Windows 2003 SBS. Setup as a

domain with a single DC. We currently use Terminal Services in our

remote office but are limited to 2 sessions as I have it in

Administrative mode. I also understand that the SBS edition does not

support application mode.

So I am planning on replacing the server. I want to make sure I don't

make a mistake with the version of 2003 server.

Does the standard version have full support for application mode? or

do I have to go with Enterprise edition?

Any help on this is greatly appreciated!

[Guest Rich Raffenetti]

Re: Which version for terminal services??

 

 

"jawdoc" <drbrooks@msoms.com> wrote in message

news:46bad2be-e2fc-4f15-b286-0476cd8abc7b@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>I have a small network currently have Windows 2003 SBS. Setup as a

> domain with a single DC. We currently use Terminal Services in our

> remote office but are limited to 2 sessions as I have it in

> Administrative mode. I also understand that the SBS edition does not

> support application mode.

> So I am planning on replacing the server. I want to make sure I don't

> make a mistake with the version of 2003 server.

> Does the standard version have full support for application mode? or

> do I have to go with Enterprise edition?

> Any help on this is greatly appreciated!

 

Enterprise edition supports multi-server terminal server clusters/farms with

a Server Directory. It doesn't sound like you need enterprise version.

 

Otherwise they are the same.

[Guest Bart Van Vugt]

Re: Which version for terminal services??

 

Keep using your SBS as DC, DNS, Exchange, etc and buy a new server with

Windows 2003 standard server. Use this one as your TS. It's absolutely not

recommended using a DC as TS. Depending on the number of TS CALS you'll buy,

you're limited to that amount of users. Windows 2003 server standard supports

TS in application mode. Depending on the hardware (Xeon CPU, 4Gb Ram,... )

and the load of the applications it can support about 20-30 concurrent

sessions.

 

"Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>

> "jawdoc" <drbrooks@msoms.com> wrote in message

> news:46bad2be-e2fc-4f15-b286-0476cd8abc7b@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> >I have a small network currently have Windows 2003 SBS. Setup as a

> > domain with a single DC. We currently use Terminal Services in our

> > remote office but are limited to 2 sessions as I have it in

> > Administrative mode. I also understand that the SBS edition does not

> > support application mode.

> > So I am planning on replacing the server. I want to make sure I don't

> > make a mistake with the version of 2003 server.

> > Does the standard version have full support for application mode? or

> > do I have to go with Enterprise edition?

> > Any help on this is greatly appreciated!

>

> Enterprise edition supports multi-server terminal server clusters/farms with

> a Server Directory. It doesn't sound like you need enterprise version.

>

> Otherwise they are the same.

>

>

>

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Which version for terminal services??

 

I totally agree with Bart!

Don't run Terminal Services on a DC, it's a security and management

nightmare. I feel that Microsoft should have removed this option

completely, as they did on SBS2003.

 

Oh, and just to avoid any misunderstandings about versions: don't

buy Windows Server 2003, Web Edition, it doesn't support TS (or

being a DC, for that matter).

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

 

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<BartVanVugt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 05 dec 2007 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Keep using your SBS as DC, DNS, Exchange, etc and buy a new

> server with Windows 2003 standard server. Use this one as your

> TS. It's absolutely not recommended using a DC as TS. Depending

> on the number of TS CALS you'll buy, you're limited to that

> amount of users. Windows 2003 server standard supports TS in

> application mode. Depending on the hardware (Xeon CPU, 4Gb

> Ram,... ) and the load of the applications it can support about

> 20-30 concurrent sessions.

>

> "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>

>>

>> "jawdoc" <drbrooks@msoms.com> wrote in message

>> news:46bad2be-e2fc-4f15-b286-0476cd8abc7b@i29g2000prf.googlegrou

>> ps.com...

>> >I have a small network currently have Windows 2003 SBS. Setup

>> >as a

>> > domain with a single DC. We currently use Terminal Services

>> > in our remote office but are limited to 2 sessions as I have

>> > it in Administrative mode. I also understand that the SBS

>> > edition does not support application mode.

>> > So I am planning on replacing the server. I want to make

>> > sure I don't make a mistake with the version of 2003 server.

>> > Does the standard version have full support for application

>> > mode? or do I have to go with Enterprise edition?

>> > Any help on this is greatly appreciated!

>>

>> Enterprise edition supports multi-server terminal server

>> clusters/farms with a Server Directory. It doesn't sound like

>> you need enterprise version.

>>

>> Otherwise they are the same.

[Guest jawdoc]

Re: Which version for terminal services??

 

On Dec 5, 3:45 am, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-

this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:

> I totally agree with Bart!

> Don't run Terminal Services on a DC, it's a security and management

> nightmare. I feel that Microsoft should have removed this option

> completely, as they did on SBS2003.

>

> Oh, and just to avoid any misunderstandings about versions: don't

> buy Windows Server 2003, Web Edition, it doesn't support TS (or

> being a DC, for that matter).

> _________________________________________________________

> Vera Noest

> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> =?Utf-8?B?QmFydCBWYW4gVnVndA==?=

> <BartVanV...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 05 dec 2007 in

> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

>

>

> > Keep using your SBS as DC, DNS, Exchange, etc and buy a new

> > server with Windows 2003 standard server. Use this one as your

> > TS. It's absolutely not recommended using a DC as TS. Depending

> > on the number of TS CALS you'll buy, you're limited to that

> > amount of users. Windows 2003 server standard supports TS in

> > application mode. Depending on the hardware (Xeon CPU, 4Gb

> > Ram,... ) and the load of the applications it can support about

> > 20-30 concurrent sessions.

>

> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>

> >> "jawdoc" <drbro...@msoms.com> wrote in message

> >>news:46bad2be-e2fc-4f15-b286-0476cd8abc7b@i29g2000prf.googlegrou

> >> ps.com...

> >> >I have a small network currently have Windows 2003 SBS. Setup

> >> >as a

> >> > domain with a single DC. We currently use Terminal Services

> >> > in our remote office but are limited to 2 sessions as I have

> >> > it in Administrative mode. I also understand that the SBS

> >> > edition does not support application mode.

> >> > So I am planning on replacing the server. I want to make

> >> > sure I don't make a mistake with the version of 2003 server.

> >> > Does the standard version have full support for application

> >> > mode? or do I have to go with Enterprise edition?

> >> > Any help on this is greatly appreciated!

>

> >> Enterprise edition supports multi-server terminal server

> >> clusters/farms with a Server Directory. It doesn't sound like

> >> you need enterprise version.

>

> >> Otherwise they are the same.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Great advice. Thanks to all.

I do have one last question. If I run this on a second server and I

plan to dedicate this as a Terminal Server only, do I need the same

number of user CALS for the new 2003 server as the number of TS CALS?

Or do the user CALS come from the DC? I am a little confused on that.

 

Thanks again.

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Which version for terminal services??

 

You don't need any extra CALs, only TS CALs.

 

From

Windows Small Business Server 2003 R2: Licensing FAQ

http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsServer2003/sbs/evaluation/faq/licen

sing.mspx

 

Q. I want to have additional servers running Windows 2000 Server or

Windows Server 2003 on my SBS 2003 R2 domain. Do my users need CALs

to access those servers?

 

A. No. Your SBS 2003 R2 CALs allow your users to access any

additional servers running Windows Server software in the domain.

You do not need to buy additional CALs for file and print services,

or to access additional servers running Exchange Server 2003 or SQL

Server 2005 Workgroup Edition. However, you will need to purchase

Terminal Server CALs if you have a server running Terminal Services

in application mode on your network.

 

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

 

jawdoc <drbrooks@msoms.com> wrote on 05 dec 2007 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> On Dec 5, 3:45 am, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-

> this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:

>> I totally agree with Bart!

>> Don't run Terminal Services on a DC, it's a security and

>> management nightmare. I feel that Microsoft should have removed

>> this option completely, as they did on SBS2003.

>>

>> Oh, and just to avoid any misunderstandings about versions:

>> don't buy Windows Server 2003, Web Edition, it doesn't support

>> TS (or being a DC, for that matter).

>> _________________________________________________________

>> Vera Noest

>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>>

>> =?Utf-8?B?QmFydCBWYW4gVnVndA==?=

>> <BartVanV...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 05 dec 2007 in

>> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>>

>>

>>

>> > Keep using your SBS as DC, DNS, Exchange, etc and buy a new

>> > server with Windows 2003 standard server. Use this one as

>> > your TS. It's absolutely not recommended using a DC as TS.

>> > Depending on the number of TS CALS you'll buy, you're limited

>> > to that amount of users. Windows 2003 server standard

>> > supports TS in application mode. Depending on the hardware

>> > (Xeon CPU, 4Gb Ram,... ) and the load of the applications it

>> > can support about 20-30 concurrent sessions.

>>

>> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>>

>> >> "jawdoc" <drbro...@msoms.com> wrote in message

>> >>news:46bad2be-e2fc-4f15-b286-0476cd8abc7b@i29g2000prf.googlegr

>> >>ou

>> >> ps.com...

>> >> >I have a small network currently have Windows 2003 SBS.

>> >> >Setup as a

>> >> > domain with a single DC. We currently use Terminal

>> >> > Services in our remote office but are limited to 2

>> >> > sessions as I have it in Administrative mode. I also

>> >> > understand that the SBS edition does not support

>> >> > application mode. So I am planning on replacing the

>> >> > server. I want to make sure I don't make a mistake with

>> >> > the version of 2003 server. Does the standard version have

>> >> > full support for application mode? or do I have to go with

>> >> > Enterprise edition? Any help on this is greatly

>> >> > appreciated!

>>

>> >> Enterprise edition supports multi-server terminal server

>> >> clusters/farms with a Server Directory. It doesn't sound

>> >> like you need enterprise version.

>>

>> >> Otherwise they are the same.- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> Great advice. Thanks to all.

> I do have one last question. If I run this on a second server

> and I plan to dedicate this as a Terminal Server only, do I need

> the same number of user CALS for the new 2003 server as the

> number of TS CALS? Or do the user CALS come from the DC? I am a

> little confused on that.

>

> Thanks again.

[Guest jawdoc]

Re: Which version for terminal services??

 

On Dec 5, 9:04 am, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-

this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:

> You don't need any extra CALs, only TS CALs.

>

> From

> Windows Small Business Server 2003 R2: Licensing FAQhttp://www.microsoft.com/WindowsServer2003/sbs/evaluation/faq/licen

> sing.mspx

>

> Q. I want to have additional servers running Windows 2000 Server or

> Windows Server 2003 on my SBS 2003 R2 domain. Do my users need CALs

> to access those servers?

>

> A. No. Your SBS 2003 R2 CALs allow your users to access any

> additional servers running Windows Server software in the domain.

> You do not need to buy additional CALs for file and print services,

> or to access additional servers running Exchange Server 2003 or SQL

> Server 2005 Workgroup Edition. However, you will need to purchase

> Terminal Server CALs if you have a server running Terminal Services

> in application mode on your network.

>

> _________________________________________________________

> Vera Noest

> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> jawdoc <drbro...@msoms.com> wrote on 05 dec 2007 in

> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

>

>

> > On Dec 5, 3:45 am, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-

> > this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:

> >> I totally agree with Bart!

> >> Don't run Terminal Services on a DC, it's a security and

> >> management nightmare. I feel that Microsoft should have removed

> >> this option completely, as they did on SBS2003.

>

> >> Oh, and just to avoid any misunderstandings about versions:

> >> don't buy Windows Server 2003, Web Edition, it doesn't support

> >> TS (or being a DC, for that matter).

> >> _________________________________________________________

> >> Vera Noest

> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> >> =?Utf-8?B?QmFydCBWYW4gVnVndA==?=

> >> <BartVanV...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 05 dec 2007 in

> >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

> >> > Keep using your SBS as DC, DNS, Exchange, etc and buy a new

> >> > server with Windows 2003 standard server. Use this one as

> >> > your TS. It's absolutely not recommended using a DC as TS.

> >> > Depending on the number of TS CALS you'll buy, you're limited

> >> > to that amount of users. Windows 2003 server standard

> >> > supports TS in application mode. Depending on the hardware

> >> > (Xeon CPU, 4Gb Ram,... ) and the load of the applications it

> >> > can support about 20-30 concurrent sessions.

>

> >> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>

> >> >> "jawdoc" <drbro...@msoms.com> wrote in message

> >> >>news:46bad2be-e2fc-4f15-b286-0476cd8abc7b@i29g2000prf.googlegr

> >> >>ou

> >> >> ps.com...

> >> >> >I have a small network currently have Windows 2003 SBS.

> >> >> >Setup as a

> >> >> > domain with a single DC. We currently use Terminal

> >> >> > Services in our remote office but are limited to 2

> >> >> > sessions as I have it in Administrative mode. I also

> >> >> > understand that the SBS edition does not support

> >> >> > application mode. So I am planning on replacing the

> >> >> > server. I want to make sure I don't make a mistake with

> >> >> > the version of 2003 server. Does the standard version have

> >> >> > full support for application mode? or do I have to go with

> >> >> > Enterprise edition? Any help on this is greatly

> >> >> > appreciated!

>

> >> >> Enterprise edition supports multi-server terminal server

> >> >> clusters/farms with a Server Directory. It doesn't sound

> >> >> like you need enterprise version.

>

> >> >> Otherwise they are the same.- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> - Show quoted text -

>

> > Great advice. Thanks to all.

> > I do have one last question. If I run this on a second server

> > and I plan to dedicate this as a Terminal Server only, do I need

> > the same number of user CALS for the new 2003 server as the

> > number of TS CALS? Or do the user CALS come from the DC? I am a

> > little confused on that.

>

> > Thanks again.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Thanks to all for your help!