Guest Tiffany S. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 I just signed up for dsl through AT&T. The rep insisted that it worked with win98se. However, when I tried to load the setup cd, the first popup acknowledged that I had win98se, but that I needed xp or vista. The label on the cd said that it was good for Windows, but it did not indicate the version. Have we finally gotten to the point that we Windows 98 holdouts are defeated? That the general phrase "works with the windows operating sysyem" no longer includes 98se?
Guest Don Phillipson Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Re: DSL support "Tiffany S." <NiceTiffany@webtv.net> wrote in message news:1652-4757E7C0-195@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net... > I just signed up for dsl through AT&T. The rep insisted that it worked > with win98se. However, when I tried to load the setup cd, the first > popup acknowledged that I had win98se, but that I needed xp or vista. It is now normal that 1. Win98 is not supported by MS or anyone else e.g. AT&T 2. Typical IT salesmen are medium ignorant about software and operating systems, and tempted to say what will encourage you to buy rather than what they know to be true (seldom much.) But 3. Most ISPs make their connection routines as simple and as fully automatic as possible -- so there is a reasonable chance connection routines programmed for XP or Vista will also succeed with Win98 PCs. Mine did (Rogers Wireless: I just plugged their wireless modem into my router, set to its defaults, input the access password given orally by Rogers -- and voila!) A point worth mentioning is that Rogers has excellent tech advice staff. E.g. when I asked advice whether a dial-up (phone line) PC could be configured to use the Rogers broadband mailer they answered "Perhaps but . . . :" only on non-default ports, and provided two alternative port numbers, one of which did the trick. In other words the tech help staff were able to understand my question without delay and knew the answer. I do not know whether AT&T tech help staff are of equal quality. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)
Guest dadiOH Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Re: DSL support Tiffany S. wrote: > I just signed up for dsl through AT&T. The rep insisted that it > worked with win98se. However, when I tried to load the setup cd, > the first popup acknowledged that I had win98se, but that I needed > xp or vista. > > The label on the cd said that it was good for Windows, but it did > not indicate the version. > > Have we finally gotten to the point that we Windows 98 holdouts are > defeated? That the general phrase "works with the windows operating > sysyem" no longer includes 98se? Look on the CD with Explorer...is there a folder for Win98? -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Re: DSL support Did you connect the DSL modem first? All the recent ATT DSL modems I've run into are automated and you don't need to run their setup CD. As far as I know, the only things you get from the CD aren't things you want to run under Win98, anyway. So, did you try just connecting the thing and seeing if it works? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Tiffany S." <NiceTiffany@webtv.net> wrote in message news:1652-4757E7C0-195@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net... >I just signed up for dsl through AT&T. The rep insisted that it worked > with win98se. However, when I tried to load the setup cd, the first > popup acknowledged that I had win98se, but that I needed xp or vista. > > The label on the cd said that it was good for Windows, but it did not > indicate the version. > > Have we finally gotten to the point that we Windows 98 holdouts are > defeated? That the general phrase "works with the windows operating > sysyem" no longer includes 98se? >
Guest philo Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Re: DSL support "Tiffany S." <NiceTiffany@webtv.net> wrote in message news:1652-4757E7C0-195@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net... > I just signed up for dsl through AT&T. The rep insisted that it worked > with win98se. However, when I tried to load the setup cd, the first > popup acknowledged that I had win98se, but that I needed xp or vista. > > The label on the cd said that it was good for Windows, but it did not > indicate the version. > > Have we finally gotten to the point that we Windows 98 holdouts are > defeated? That the general phrase "works with the windows operating > sysyem" no longer includes 98se? > Here is the catch. Win98/se will work just fine with a DSL connection... however the software you need to use to initially activate your accound will not work on a win98 machine. It will work with XP or Vista ...or possibly even Win2k. But unless you can hook-up another machine...at least temporarily...there is no way for you to activate your account unless that can possibly do so for you over the phone...but my guess is they will say "NO"
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:14:56 -0500, NiceTiffany@webtv.net (Tiffany S.) put finger to keyboard and composed: >I just signed up for dsl through AT&T. The rep insisted that it worked >with win98se. However, when I tried to load the setup cd, the first >popup acknowledged that I had win98se, but that I needed xp or vista. > >The label on the cd said that it was good for Windows, but it did not >indicate the version. > >Have we finally gotten to the point that we Windows 98 holdouts are >defeated? That the general phrase "works with the windows operating >sysyem" no longer includes 98se? Try registering manually here: http://helpme.att.net/register - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Tiffany S. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support There is another fly in the ointment. My pc does not have a network card. The sales rep had told me that I could hook the modem up to my USB port. When the modem arrived (it is a tiny piece of crap Motorola), I noticed that it does not have a USB port ... just an ethernet port. I called AT&T about it, so they sent me a wireless modem/router (the brand is 2-Wire). But that does not have a USB port, either, and my pc has neither an ethernet card nor a wi-fi card. AT&T is sending me a THIRD modem, but I suspect that it will not have a USB port, either. If I buy an ethernet network card -- which I do not want to do unless I am assured it will work -- will its software be able to activate my account? Will it be able to configure either the 2-Wire modem/router or the Motorola router? Is ethernet card software similar to a DUN wizard in that it sends out username, password, and protocol info? AT&T refuses to (or is too stupid to) tell me because they are adamant that they no longer support win98se. I like 98se. I never upgraded to xp because of its bloat, which I understand is nothing compared to Vista bloat.
Guest Tiffany S. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support I looked on AT&T setup CD with explorer. There is a folder for Win98ME, but not one for Win98se. (I had always thought that "Win98ME" was an incorrect term, that it was either Win98 or WinME. Therefore, maybe 98ME applies to either 98se *or* ME. On the other hand, because ME uses the same kernel as 98, maybe 98ME specifically does mean ME only.)
Guest philo Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support "Tiffany S." <NiceTiffany@webtv.net> wrote in message news:13997-475910A5-338@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net... > There is another fly in the ointment. My pc does not have a network > card. The sales rep had told me that I could hook the modem up to my > USB port. When the modem arrived (it is a tiny piece of crap Motorola), > I noticed that it does not have a USB port ... just an ethernet port. > > I called AT&T about it, so they sent me a wireless modem/router (the > brand is 2-Wire). But that does not have a USB port, either, and my pc > has neither an ethernet card nor a wi-fi card. > > AT&T is sending me a THIRD modem, but I suspect that it will not have a > USB port, either. > > If I buy an ethernet network card -- which I do not want to do unless I > am assured it will work -- will its software be able to activate my > account? Will it be able to configure either the 2-Wire modem/router or > the Motorola router? Is ethernet card software similar to a DUN wizard > in that it sends out username, password, and protocol info? > > AT&T refuses to (or is too stupid to) tell me because they are adamant > that they no longer support win98se. > > I like 98se. I never upgraded to xp because of its bloat, which I > understand is nothing compared to Vista bloat. > Since they do not support win98 with their software... even if you get a net card you will probably not be able to activate your account.
Guest Tiffany S. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support philo@privacy.net (philo) wrote: >Since they do not support win98 with their software... > even if you get a net card you will probably not > be able to activate your account. But Gary S. Terhune had written: >All the recent ATT DSL modems I've run into are >automated and you don't need to run their setup >CD. As far as I know, the only things you get from >the CD aren't things you want to run under Win98, > anyway. I want to connect one PC, not set up a LAN. What kind of activation or configuration is involved with that?
Guest philo Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support "Tiffany S." <NiceTiffany@webtv.net> wrote in message news:11641-47593DCC-360@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net... philo@privacy.net (philo) wrote: >Since they do not support win98 with their software... > even if you get a net card you will probably not > be able to activate your account. But Gary S. Terhune had written: >All the recent ATT DSL modems I've run into are >automated and you don't need to run their setup >CD. As far as I know, the only things you get from >the CD aren't things you want to run under Win98, > anyway. I want to connect one PC, not set up a LAN. What kind of activation or configuration is involved with that? Someone else posted a link for phone activation so I'd give that a try. Again...there is no reason win98 cannot work with DSL... (heck I've got win95 on DOS machine on my DSL network) it's simply a matter of activating your account.
Guest 98 Guy Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support "Tiffany S." wrote: > There is another fly in the ointment. My pc does not have a > network card. Jesus christ, I can't believe how complicated this issue is becoming. Look "Tiffany", get off your ass and spend $5 for a PCI network card. If it's a 10/100 card (ie 10 mbps and 100 mbps) it WILL have win-98 drivers. The only cards that *may not* have drivers are giga-speed cards (ie 1000 mbps). Then do what I said in the other newsgroup that you multi-posted to (alt.windows98 - multi-posting is bad, by the way) and get that NAT-router I told you about. Your NAT-router will perform pppoe logon for you, and will act like a firewall: Linksys - EtherFast 4-Port Cable/DSL Router http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=3906544&type=product&id=1051384171495 Your ISP will have given you a network ID or account number, and a password. It will be on some document that came in the mail from them. Perhaps it was printed on a sticker that was pasted on the inside front or back cover of a "getting started" booklet along with other network settings (like DNS, NNTP, SMTP server listings). I doubt that they would have given it to you verbally over the phone.
Guest Tiffany S. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support On Fri, Dec 7, 2007, 9:14am, 98@Guy.com (98 Guy) wrote: >Jesus christ, I can't believe how complicated this >issue is becoming. Yes, that is why I seek help. I had told the sales rep that I did not have a network card. She insisted that as long as my machine was Win98 or better, there would be no problem, that the modem would connect through USB. >Look "Tiffany", get off your ass and spend $5 > for a PCI network card. I have no problem doing that, but why should I if AT&T is going to send a modem that connects through USB? Besides, now that I know that there is a Win98 compatibility issue, I don't want to buy and install a network card if it still will not work. Maybe this is the last straw telling me that I should upgrade to a more powerful pc with either XP or Vista. >it's a 10/100 card (ie 10 mbps and 100 mbps) > it WILL have win-98 drivers. The only cards > that *may not* have drivers are giga-speed > cards (ie 1000 mbps). Okay, so the drivers will work with my pc. That still does not tell me whether they will work with AT&T's Motorola modem or with the "2-Wire" wi-fi router they later sent me. >Then do what I said ... and get that NAT-router > I told you about. Your NAT-router will perform > pppoe logon for you... I had read that AT&T DSL service is not compatible with all routers. I don't know, maybe they purposely made it incompatible to force me to use their setup CD, which contains God knows what. That's why I am asking here, people with real experience dealing with this stuff, before I spend time and money for nothing. >Your ISP will have given you a network ID or account >number, and a password. It will be on some document > that came in the mail from them. Perhaps it was >printed on a sticker that was pasted on the inside > front or back cover of a "getting started" booklet > along with other network settings (like DNS, NNTP, >SMTP server listings). They gave me an ID and a password, but not the server settings. Believe it or not, when I asked technical support, they had no idea what SMTP or NNTP are. Aside from PPPoE, I have no idea what the other parameters would be that I would have to know. Also, AT&T refuses to give support to Win98, so if I should lose service, I will have to lie to them and tell them I have xp in order for them to talk to me. Then I want to be sure that my software interface can do what they tell me to do with *their* interface. I am here seeking help. I apologize if I upset you.
Guest MEB Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support Tiffany Please don't apologize to this 98 Guy party; relatively new to the Internet world, this entity appears to be attempting to establish an "expert" aura, though should you bother to check the forums in which it posts and the history, you will note this entity is not. Others in this group do have direct knowledge of ATT and its requirements, I would recommend listening to them and ignore 98 Guy's postings. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________ "Tiffany S." <NiceTiffany@webtv.net> wrote in message news:11644-47596B25-72@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net... On Fri, Dec 7, 2007, 9:14am, 98@Guy.com (98Guy) wrote: >Jesus christ, I can't believe how complicated this >issue is becoming. Yes, that is why I seek help. I had told the sales rep that I did not have a network card. She insisted that as long as my machine was Win98 or better, there would be no problem, that the modem would connect through USB. >Look "Tiffany", get off your ass and spend $5 > for a PCI network card. I have no problem doing that, but why should I if AT&T is going to send a modem that connects through USB? Besides, now that I know that there is a Win98 compatibility issue, I don't want to buy and install a network card if it still will not work. Maybe this is the last straw telling me that I should upgrade to a more powerful pc with either XP or Vista. >it's a 10/100 card (ie 10 mbps and 100 mbps) > it WILL have win-98 drivers. The only cards > that *may not* have drivers are giga-speed > cards (ie 1000 mbps). Okay, so the drivers will work with my pc. That still does not tell me whether they will work with AT&T's Motorola modem or with the "2-Wire" wi-fi router they later sent me. >Then do what I said ... and get that NAT-router > I told you about. Your NAT-router will perform > pppoe logon for you... I had read that AT&T DSL service is not compatible with all routers. I don't know, maybe they purposely made it incompatible to force me to use their setup CD, which contains God knows what. That's why I am asking here, people with real experience dealing with this stuff, before I spend time and money for nothing. >Your ISP will have given you a network ID or account >number, and a password. It will be on some document > that came in the mail from them. Perhaps it was >printed on a sticker that was pasted on the inside > front or back cover of a "getting started" booklet > along with other network settings (like DNS, NNTP, >SMTP server listings). They gave me an ID and a password, but not the server settings. Believe it or not, when I asked technical support, they had no idea what SMTP or NNTP are. Aside from PPPoE, I have no idea what the other parameters would be that I would have to know. Also, AT&T refuses to give support to Win98, so if I should lose service, I will have to lie to them and tell them I have xp in order for them to talk to me. Then I want to be sure that my software interface can do what they tell me to do with *their* interface. I am here seeking help. I apologize if I upset you.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support USB might complicate the case, since it might require Win98SE drivers that aren't made available. A LAN card (or NIC), is the most common way to connect to a DSL modem. No, the LAN card drivers aren't going to activate your DSL account. Last time I tried a 2-Wire, it was a simple case of connecting and then letting the modem do its thing. It activated the account and gave instructions for finishing the setup. (The LAN card drivers *do* need to be installed before connecting up the modem.) As I understand it, you are now waiting for a USB modem? I guess the thing to do now is to wait for that and see if you can get it to work. Unfortunately, I have no experience with a USB connected DSL modem. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Tiffany S." <NiceTiffany@webtv.net> wrote in message news:13997-475910A5-338@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net... > There is another fly in the ointment. My pc does not have a network > card. The sales rep had told me that I could hook the modem up to my > USB port. When the modem arrived (it is a tiny piece of crap Motorola), > I noticed that it does not have a USB port ... just an ethernet port. > > I called AT&T about it, so they sent me a wireless modem/router (the > brand is 2-Wire). But that does not have a USB port, either, and my pc > has neither an ethernet card nor a wi-fi card. > > AT&T is sending me a THIRD modem, but I suspect that it will not have a > USB port, either. > > If I buy an ethernet network card -- which I do not want to do unless I > am assured it will work -- will its software be able to activate my > account? Will it be able to configure either the 2-Wire modem/router or > the Motorola router? Is ethernet card software similar to a DUN wizard > in that it sends out username, password, and protocol info? > > AT&T refuses to (or is too stupid to) tell me because they are adamant > that they no longer support win98se. > > I like 98se. I never upgraded to xp because of its bloat, which I > understand is nothing compared to Vista bloat. >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support Some notes: (I don't like 98 Guy and ignore him, but a couple of things you talk about need addressing. Suggest you ignore him, also, since he is obviously piling on stuff that is totally irrelevant to your problem.) The LAN card drivers have nothing to do with the ATT modem. Installing the LAN card simply allows you to network your computer via CAT5 cable. Your ATT modem is another LAN component and will work just like any other LAN component. The LAN drivers are only to let the OS communicate with the LAN card. They have nothing to do with any other LAN component. Yes, you *should* have a router in addition to the DSL modem, for enhanced security of NAT. But no, I've never heard of a router that didn't work with an ATT modem. Setting up a router can be tricky, but you need to connect your computer directly to the DSL modem and get it to work completely before even considering the addition of a router. The modem should automatically detect your new IP address and also DNS settings (and PPPoE protocols are likewise automatically set up for you.) SMTP and NNTP have NOTHING to do with internet access. They are mail and news servers respectively, and are only useful to a mail/news reader program. Once you have successfully set up the DSL and can connect to the internet, THEN you can find out what the ATT mail and news settings are, but don't even think about the issue until you've managed to get connected to the internet. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Tiffany S." <NiceTiffany@webtv.net> wrote in message news:11644-47596B25-72@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net... On Fri, Dec 7, 2007, 9:14am, 98@Guy.com (98 Guy) wrote: >Jesus christ, I can't believe how complicated this >issue is becoming. Yes, that is why I seek help. I had told the sales rep that I did not have a network card. She insisted that as long as my machine was Win98 or better, there would be no problem, that the modem would connect through USB. >Look "Tiffany", get off your ass and spend $5 > for a PCI network card. I have no problem doing that, but why should I if AT&T is going to send a modem that connects through USB? Besides, now that I know that there is a Win98 compatibility issue, I don't want to buy and install a network card if it still will not work. Maybe this is the last straw telling me that I should upgrade to a more powerful pc with either XP or Vista. >it's a 10/100 card (ie 10 mbps and 100 mbps) > it WILL have win-98 drivers. The only cards > that *may not* have drivers are giga-speed > cards (ie 1000 mbps). Okay, so the drivers will work with my pc. That still does not tell me whether they will work with AT&T's Motorola modem or with the "2-Wire" wi-fi router they later sent me. >Then do what I said ... and get that NAT-router > I told you about. Your NAT-router will perform > pppoe logon for you... I had read that AT&T DSL service is not compatible with all routers. I don't know, maybe they purposely made it incompatible to force me to use their setup CD, which contains God knows what. That's why I am asking here, people with real experience dealing with this stuff, before I spend time and money for nothing. >Your ISP will have given you a network ID or account >number, and a password. It will be on some document > that came in the mail from them. Perhaps it was >printed on a sticker that was pasted on the inside > front or back cover of a "getting started" booklet > along with other network settings (like DNS, NNTP, >SMTP server listings). They gave me an ID and a password, but not the server settings. Believe it or not, when I asked technical support, they had no idea what SMTP or NNTP are. Aside from PPPoE, I have no idea what the other parameters would be that I would have to know. Also, AT&T refuses to give support to Win98, so if I should lose service, I will have to lie to them and tell them I have xp in order for them to talk to me. Then I want to be sure that my software interface can do what they tell me to do with *their* interface. I am here seeking help. I apologize if I upset you.
Guest philo Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support "Tiffany S." <NiceTiffany@webtv.net> wrote in message news:13997-47591764-339@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net... > I looked on AT&T setup CD with explorer. There is a folder for Win98ME, > but not one for Win98se. > > (I had always thought that "Win98ME" was an incorrect term, that it was > either Win98 or WinME. Therefore, maybe 98ME applies to either 98se > *or* ME. > > On the other hand, because ME uses the same kernel as 98, maybe 98ME > specifically does mean ME only.) > Windows 98 has two versions: just plain Windows98 and Windows98 Second Edition (se) Sometimes people refer the "Plain" Windows98 as "FE" or first edition Also, if you see something called "ME" That would probably be Windows Millennium which came out after Windows98 (but is often though to be an inferior product)
Guest Tiffany S. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support On Fri, Dec 7, 2007, 12:12pm (EST-1) philo@privacy.net (philo) wrote: >Windows 98 has two versions: just plain Windows98 >and Windows98 Second Edition (se). > Also, if you see something called "ME" That would >probably be Windows Millennium... Yes, that has always been my understanding. However, the setup CD has a folder labelled Win98ME, so I have to figure out the understanding of whoever labelled it.
Guest Tiffany S. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Re: DSL support On Fri, Dec 7, 2007, 9:55am (EST-3), none (Gary S. Terhune) wrote: >A LAN card (or NIC), is the most common way to >connect to a DSL modem. Okay, I'll buy one. A LAN card is just another name for an ethernet card, right? My brother told me to buy a token ring card, but I think he was pulling my leg. He knows less about computers than I do. >No, the LAN card drivers aren't going to activate >your DSL account. Last time I tried a 2-Wire, it was >a simple case of connecting and then letting the >modem do its thing. It activated the account and >gave instructions for finishing the setup. (The LAN >card drivers *do* need to be installed before connecting >up the modem.) As I understand it, you are now >waiting for a USB modem? Yeah, it arrived a couple of hours ago. A reconditioned Westell E-90-610030-06. It says I have to install the drivers with the setup wizard before I plug it into the USB port. As I previously mentioned, the setup wizard does not work with Win98se. I spent a lot of time unsuccessfully searching the Internet for the right driver to download. Someone told me that the setup wizard and driver are only necessary when connecting through the USB port, not the ethernet port. Do you agree? So, I'm going to buy an ethernet card. >No, the LAN card drivers aren't going to activate >your DSL account. I was told that I can activate the account by phone. The Tech Support department will not talk to me knowing that I have Win98. Hopefully the Activation department will. I had read that part of the setup requires me to program my username and password into the modem. Does the NIC software do that?
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted December 8, 2007 Posted December 8, 2007 Re: DSL support On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:02:43 -0500, NiceTiffany@webtv.net (Tiffany S.) put finger to keyboard and composed: >On Fri, Dec 7, 2007, 9:55am (EST-3), none (Gary S. Terhune) wrote: > >>As I understand it, you are now >>waiting for a USB modem? > >Yeah, it arrived a couple of hours ago. A reconditioned Westell >E-90-610030-06. General Westell Modem Information http://www.dslreports.com/faq/bellsouth/3.14_Westell_2100_2200_6100_Info ===================================================================== BellSouth Installation CD is not required to install the Westell. To verify your model type please check the FCC sticker on the bottom of modem. -6100 modems are model number B90-610030-06 or C90-610030-06 The BellSouth Westell modems are specific models made exclusively for BellSouth FastAccess. They are physically and functionally different from retail Westells (or any model designed for use with other ISPs) and the firmware between them are not compatible and can not be interchanged. For example the BellSouth model does not have a built in firewall like the retail version. Built in PPPoE client for connectivity to ISP. -Does not require third party software such as Enternet, RASPPPoE, WinPoet, XP, etc. Full NAT (Network Address Translation) capabilities Built in DHCP Server (Default Modem IP - 192.168.1.254, Subnet Mask - 255.255.255.0, DHCP Address Range - 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.253) Ethernet and USB connectivity. Ethernet is highly recommended, does not require drivers, and is not dependent on any particular OS. USB connectivity requires USB drivers that may not be compatible with all OSs. You can choose one or the other for connectivity but you can not use both simultaneously. If you are thinking about buying a router don't! The Westell is a router ... ===================================================================== >It says I have to install the drivers with the setup >wizard before I plug it into the USB port. As I previously mentioned, >the setup wizard does not work with Win98se. I spent a lot of time >unsuccessfully searching the Internet for the right driver to download. >Someone told me that the setup wizard and driver are only necessary when >connecting through the USB port, not the ethernet port. Do you agree? > >So, I'm going to buy an ethernet card. > >>No, the LAN card drivers aren't going to activate >>your DSL account. > >I was told that I can activate the account by phone. The Tech Support >department will not talk to me knowing that I have Win98. Hopefully the >Activation department will. > >I had read that part of the setup requires me to program my username and >password into the modem. Does the NIC software do that? AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ Westell 2100/2200/6100 Info http://www.dslreports.com/faq/7342 ==================================================================== Can I set up the Westell without using the BellSouth Installation CD? Yes. The BellSouth Installation CD and/or the Connection Manager are not required to install or connect the BellSouth supplied Westell 2100/2200/6100 to the Internet when connected as an Ethernet modem. The install CD contains various applications that are not required (and some consider bloatware) including a BellSouth branded Internet Explorer. Please reference the procedure below for detailed instructions. If you require USB connectivity (avoid at all costs, if possible) you must use the Installation CD or download the driver from the BellSouth Support Site. Follow the instructions on the Installation CD for USB connectivity. <more instructions, including screen shots, at above link> ==================================================================== - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted December 8, 2007 Posted December 8, 2007 Re: DSL support Win98ME probably means the same thing as what we call Win9x (Win95, 98, 98SE and ME), only without the support for Win95. Just the programmer's shorthand for files used for supported 9x kernel systems. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Tiffany S." <NiceTiffany@webtv.net> wrote in message news:18346-4759C887-81@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net... > On Fri, Dec 7, 2007, 12:12pm (EST-1) philo@privacy.net (philo) wrote: > >>Windows 98 has two versions: just plain Windows98 >>and Windows98 Second Edition (se). > >> Also, if you see something called "ME" That would >>probably be Windows Millennium... > > Yes, that has always been my understanding. However, the setup CD has a > folder labelled Win98ME, so I have to figure out the understanding of > whoever labelled it. >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted December 8, 2007 Posted December 8, 2007 Re: DSL support It sounds as if I was right, that to use the USB connection you'd need the USB drivers, and there aren't any for Win9x. You only need the NIC (LAN) drivers to make the card work, and no, the LAN divers do not do ANYTHING to the modem. They don't make it work, they aren't involved in the DSL configuration, username, password, etc. That is all separate from the LAN card drivers and installation. Use a LAN connection and go through the setup and activation with the tech. Let us know how it goes. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Tiffany S." <NiceTiffany@webtv.net> wrote in message news:18345-4759D113-484@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net... On Fri, Dec 7, 2007, 9:55am (EST-3), none (Gary S. Terhune) wrote: >A LAN card (or NIC), is the most common way to >connect to a DSL modem. Okay, I'll buy one. A LAN card is just another name for an ethernet card, right? My brother told me to buy a token ring card, but I think he was pulling my leg. He knows less about computers than I do. >No, the LAN card drivers aren't going to activate >your DSL account. Last time I tried a 2-Wire, it was >a simple case of connecting and then letting the >modem do its thing. It activated the account and >gave instructions for finishing the setup. (The LAN >card drivers *do* need to be installed before connecting >up the modem.) As I understand it, you are now >waiting for a USB modem? Yeah, it arrived a couple of hours ago. A reconditioned Westell E-90-610030-06. It says I have to install the drivers with the setup wizard before I plug it into the USB port. As I previously mentioned, the setup wizard does not work with Win98se. I spent a lot of time unsuccessfully searching the Internet for the right driver to download. Someone told me that the setup wizard and driver are only necessary when connecting through the USB port, not the ethernet port. Do you agree? So, I'm going to buy an ethernet card. >No, the LAN card drivers aren't going to activate >your DSL account. I was told that I can activate the account by phone. The Tech Support department will not talk to me knowing that I have Win98. Hopefully the Activation department will. I had read that part of the setup requires me to program my username and password into the modem. Does the NIC software do that?
Guest 98 Guy Posted December 8, 2007 Posted December 8, 2007 Re: DSL support "Tiffany S." wrote: > > A LAN card (or NIC), is the most common way to connect to a > > DSL modem. > > Okay, I'll buy one. When you install it, based on what Franc posted, follow these instructions: You should see a "network neighborhood" icon on your desktop. If yes, right-click on it, select properties. You will see a list of items in a box. Slide the list down. Near the bottom you should see something like "TCP/IP -> (ethernet device)" where "(ethernet device)" will be your ethernet card. Select it, then hit the Properties button. Another window will open. There are a number of tabs across the top. It should open on a tab called "IP address". Click the radio button that says "Specify an IP address". Then in the box called "IP Address" enter 192.168.1.123. Subnet mask should be 255.255.255.0 Click on the Gateway tab. If there is anything listed in "installed gateways" then select it and remove it. Then in the New gateway box enter 192.168.1.1. Then click the Add button. Click the DNS configuration tab. Hit the radio button "Enable DNS". Under host, enter some cute name, or just type the word "hello". In the box "DNS server search order", enter 4.2.2.2 and hit add. Then hit the "Bindings" tab. You should have a check-box that says "client for microsoft networks". Make sure there is a checkbox in that box. Then hit the OK button. That should take you back to the Network window. Hit the OK button on that window. Windows will want to restart, so let it. You should have access to the modem when your computer restarts (assuming you have an ethernet cable connected between your modem and ethernet card). Most ethernet cards have a few led's visible on the back bracket of the card. One (or more) of them should be on or flashing. Open a browser and enter this address: http://192.168.1.1 That should take you to the configuration interface of the modem. You may be faced with having to provide login credentials at that point, or you may automatically be given the ability to configure most generic functions of it's router component, such as entering pppoe login information. There will no doubt be other settings, which you could post here if you want to know what they are and what they should be set to. > A LAN card is just another name for an ethernet card, right? > My brother told me to buy a token ring card, but I think > he was pulling my leg. He knows less about computers than > I do. He might have been serious, but you do NOT want a token ring card (but no retailers would be selling them anyways these days - not for the past 10 years). > wizard before I plug it into the USB port. As I previously > mentioned, the setup wizard does not work with Win98se. As has already been mentioned (and which I would have also told you) is that you would not have been able to find win-98 USB drivers for it (or the search would not have been worth it compared to simply installing an ethernet card). > Someone told me that the setup wizard and driver are only > necessary when connecting through the USB port, not the > ethernet port. Do you agree? Once you establish a connection to the modem via your ethernet card (and the settings I gave you above) you will be configuring the modem via a web browser like IE. Not a setup wizard or driver. > > No, the LAN card drivers aren't going to activate > > your DSL account. > > I was told that I can activate the account by phone. It most likely has already been activated on your phone line. In other words, there is now an ADSL service on your phone line. Your modem will not connect to that service unless it knows the user ID and password your ISP assigned to you. The modem will use that information during the pppoe login process. > The Tech Support department will not talk to me knowing > that I have Win98. Hopefully the Activation department will. You will not have to talk to them unless your modem is unable to connect to your ISP's network. Possible reasons why your modem may not be able to connect include: - adsl service not yet provisioned on your phone line - your phone line was erroneously listed as being able to support ADSL - your modem is not properly connected to your phone line, or you have not installed line filters at the proper points in your house's telephone wiring - the user ID and password are incorrect, or you haven't entered them properly into the modem's configuration settings > I had read that part of the setup requires me to program my > username and password into the modem. Does the NIC software > do that? No, you will do that via a web browser as mentioned above.
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted December 8, 2007 Posted December 8, 2007 Re: DSL support On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:50:21 -0500, 98 Guy <98@Guy.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Click on the Gateway tab. If there is anything listed in "installed >gateways" then select it and remove it. Then in the New gateway box >enter 192.168.1.1. Then click the Add button. That should be 192.168.1.254 >Open a browser and enter this address: > >http://192.168.1.1 The correct address is http://192.168.1.254 or http://launchmodem >That should take you to the configuration interface of the modem. You >may be faced with having to provide login credentials at that point, >or you may automatically be given the ability to configure most >generic functions of it's router component, such as entering pppoe >login information. There will no doubt be other settings, which you >could post here if you want to know what they are and what they should >be set to. The "Easy Login" process is explained at the link that I posted: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/7342 - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Tiffany S. Posted December 8, 2007 Posted December 8, 2007 Re: DSL support Now that I have decided to get an ethernet card, I don't necessarily have to use this Westell E90 USB-capable modem. Remember, I am also in temporary possession of a Motorola 2210-02 and a 2-Wire 4200-001053-000. The 2-wire is obviously the best because it is also a 4-port wireless router -- probably similar to the Linksys that was recommended to me. However, I have only one PC, no need for wi-fi, and my philosophy is to keep it simple. The Westell is more solidly constructed than the Motorola, but it is a reconditioned unit and most probably an obsolete model. Do you think that either the Westell or Motorola is good enough, or am I being extremely foolish if I do not use the 2-wire? Is the 2-wire as easy to set up as the Westell? Will I be able to defeat the wi-fi so that my activity can't be monitored by my neighbors? I'm sorry to be such a PITA.
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