Computer upgrade

[Guest bobster]

I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about $100

at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I

can. My question:

 

Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

(the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new machine,

properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm drives

and are only about half full.

[Guest MEB]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

 

 

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

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| I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

| everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

| loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

$100

| at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I

| can. My question:

|

| Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

| (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

machine,

| properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

| reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

drives

| and are only about half full.

|

|

 

 

Others will pop-in, but here's the major problem:

 

Those hard drives carry the previous Windows configuration [at least the

one with the system on it], e.g., the devices and chipset information from

the previous system. Nothing will likely be the same. When you attempt to

start Windows, nothing will be correct. That's everything, from processor,

to chipsets, to ports, to ... causing a REAL UGLY mess. Also, the disks

themselves may be handled differently by the BIOS [translation], so there

may be a potential issue there as well.

 

So Yes, you can use those disks, but likely you will need to at least

re-install the OS [and the applications] because attempts at an over-install

will place you in a DLL mis-match situation..

 

If you carefully backup the individual application user made files, with

proper folder indications, once the OS and applications are re-installed you

could replace those back to their original locations, giving the appearance

of the original, but configured properly for the new system.

 

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

[Guest bobster]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

I was afraid that would be the case -- different MB/Bios/chipset leading to

DLL hell. It was like many ideas -- looks good at first blush but the

devil lurks in the details Thanks for the input.

 

I have my 98SE disk and Key so I may just burn all of my apps and other non-

Windows 98se stuff to CDs, then Fdisk, re-format and reinstall the OS and

all of its updates. If I'm successful at that point I can just reinstall my

stuff from the CDs and be back in business with a faster processor. If

not, I can plunk down $500, get a new XP or Vista machine, download the CDs

and start the learning process all over. May be hard for this 78 year old

geezer to pull off, but it might be fun to try.

 

<meb@not here@hotmail.com> "MEB"wrote in message

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"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

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| I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

| everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

| loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

$100

| at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I

| can. My question:

|

| Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

| (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

machine,

| properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

| reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

drives

| and are only about half full.

|

|

 

 

Others will pop-in, but here's the major problem:

 

Those hard drives carry the previous Windows configuration [at least the

one with the system on it], e.g., the devices and chipset information from

the previous system. Nothing will likely be the same. When you attempt to

start Windows, nothing will be correct. That's everything, from processor,

to chipsets, to ports, to ... causing a REAL UGLY mess. Also, the disks

themselves may be handled differently by the BIOS [translation], so there

may be a potential issue there as well.

 

So Yes, you can use those disks, but likely you will need to at least

re-install the OS [and the applications] because attempts at an over-install

will place you in a DLL mis-match situation..

 

If you carefully backup the individual application user made files, with

proper folder indications, once the OS and applications are re-installed you

could replace those back to their original locations, giving the appearance

of the original, but configured properly for the new system.

 

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

[Guest rod]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

I will stand corrected,

but a few years ago, I bought a HP pavillion with XP

I hated it, chucked it out and reformatted the disk to FAT.

I called in a Techie and for the then current price of $25

he "ghosted" a copy of my 98se onto the HP pavillion.

It still remains workable and remains my back-up computer

I must say he was delighted to see it run, and was surprised.

 

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

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>I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

> $100

> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I

> can. My question:

>

> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

> machine,

> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

> drives

> and are only about half full.

>

>

[Guest MEB]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

 

 

"rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message

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| I will stand corrected,

| but a few years ago, I bought a HP pavillion with XP

| I hated it, chucked it out and reformatted the disk to FAT.

| I called in a Techie and for the then current price of $25

| he "ghosted" a copy of my 98se onto the HP pavillion.

| It still remains workable and remains my back-up computer

| I must say he was delighted to see it run, and was surprised.

 

Well, that was what I was trying to avoid, the expectation, and

potential/likely failure.

 

I have changed just a processor in a 9X system and had to start from

scratch, seems to depend upon mostly luck <grin>.... okay, maybe it was that

I didn't want to go through the potential hours of difficulties that

sometimes crop up, but I rarely even try any more. I've had too many

failures, and when in business, failures cost money and time.

Far easier to backup the user data, and put it back where it was

originally, particularly if the work is guaranteed or going to effect

potential future business.

 

There have been dozens of posts in here describing what to backup, how to

tranfer files from new to old disks and visversa, from those whom I'm sure

have had the same experiance.

 

|

| "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

| news:e8QHVb7OIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| >I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

| > everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

| > loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

| > $100

| > at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as

I

| > can. My question:

| >

| > Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows

98se

| > (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

| > machine,

| > properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

| > reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

| > drives

| > and are only about half full.

| >

| >

|

|

 

 

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MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

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[Guest MEB]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

 

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

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| I was afraid that would be the case -- different MB/Bios/chipset leading

to

| DLL hell. It was like many ideas -- looks good at first blush but the

| devil lurks in the details Thanks for the input.

|

| I have my 98SE disk and Key so I may just burn all of my apps and other

non-

| Windows 98se stuff to CDs, then Fdisk, re-format and reinstall the OS and

| all of its updates. If I'm successful at that point I can just reinstall

my

| stuff from the CDs and be back in business with a faster processor. If

| not, I can plunk down $500, get a new XP or Vista machine, download the

CDs

| and start the learning process all over. May be hard for this 78 year old

| geezer to pull off, but it might be fun to try.

|

 

Okay, don't be put off, 9X would run nicely on most computers at 1.5MHZ.

The first issue is the board and available drivers, if those are available,

or it comes with 98, then put the drives in as secondaries, and transfer

from there. Or install the OS on the new system's hard drive after

installing the old as secondaries and transfer what you need. Or, if you

have a netcard in the old box,,, network them ...

 

The people in here have done this hundreds of times, so there's definately

a safety net available.

 

As for fun with XP, yeah, could be, definately would pass some time. You

could try the dual boot situation or some other, and have the best of both

worlds.

 

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

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| <meb@not here@hotmail.com> "MEB"wrote in message

| news:e58VJ67OIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|

|

| "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

| news:e8QHVb7OIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| | I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

| | everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

| | loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

| $100

| | at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as

I

| | can. My question:

| |

| | Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows

98se

| | (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

| machine,

| | properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

| | reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

| drives

| | and are only about half full.

| |

| |

|

|

| Others will pop-in, but here's the major problem:

|

| Those hard drives carry the previous Windows configuration [at least the

| one with the system on it], e.g., the devices and chipset information from

| the previous system. Nothing will likely be the same. When you attempt to

| start Windows, nothing will be correct. That's everything, from processor,

| to chipsets, to ports, to ... causing a REAL UGLY mess. Also, the disks

| themselves may be handled differently by the BIOS [translation], so there

| may be a potential issue there as well.

|

| So Yes, you can use those disks, but likely you will need to at least

| re-install the OS [and the applications] because attempts at an

over-install

| will place you in a DLL mis-match situation..

|

| If you carefully backup the individual application user made files, with

| proper folder indications, once the OS and applications are re-installed

you

| could replace those back to their original locations, giving the

appearance

| of the original, but configured properly for the new system.

|

| --

| MEB

| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| ________

|

|

|

[Guest Jeff Richards]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

There's no reason that the process won't work - it's just that there are

some risks that users need to be aware of.

 

W98 is quite good at detecting that the current set of hardware support

components are incorrect, and installing replacement software. 'DLL hell'

is not a likely outcome - that's an entirely different issue - but it is

possible that you will run with drivers that don't give you full access to

the capabilities of the hardware, and maybe never even notice.

 

If your techie took the simple precaution of removing all references to

installed devices before doing the ghosting, then Windows comes up with a

'clean slate' as far as hardware is concerned, and provided the required

drivers etc are available the upgraded installation would be

indistinguishable from a clean install.

 

As you have been through the process once, you will be quite confident about

doing it again.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message

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>I will stand corrected,

> but a few years ago, I bought a HP pavillion with XP

> I hated it, chucked it out and reformatted the disk to FAT.

> I called in a Techie and for the then current price of $25

> he "ghosted" a copy of my 98se onto the HP pavillion.

> It still remains workable and remains my back-up computer

> I must say he was delighted to see it run, and was surprised.

>

[Guest Jeff Richards]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

The procedure you are proposing is certainly quite practical and relatively

safe, but you need to be aware of the possible risks, and you need to follow

a proper process.

 

The procedure to use is to open registry editor and delete the whole of the

HKLM\enum registry key. See here for some comments:

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=83657

 

You can do more searching to see other people's experiences.

 

Your success may depend on how similar the new motherboard is to the old in

terms of devices, rather than just the difference in speed. The safest

process would be to buy a new disk drive, clone the existing master drive to

the new disk, put the two old drives to one side, and experiment using the

new drive. If it works, just plug in the second new drive when you are up

and running. If it doesn't, use the new drive for a fresh install then

install both old drives and copy stuff across.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

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>I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

> $100

> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I

> can. My question:

>

> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

> machine,

> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

> drives

> and are only about half full.

>

>

[Guest rod]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

 

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message \

> There's no reason that the process won't work - it's just that there are

> some risks that users need to be aware of.

 

Oh, I have no doubt about that.

I was faced with the situation of purchasing a two set

disk at $150 for a proprietory database run time program

of around 5 million records.

 

It was a suitable risk for me at $25 to establish just a back up

computer to avoid down time.

What really surprised me was the time taken, IIRC around

35 minutes.

 

I am not suggesting the OP follow that route, just having him

aware it has been done. The big unknown factor

is finding a person with sufficient knowledge, as newbies

getting people from the paper ads, you can get anything.

Rod.

[Guest Lil' Dave]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

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>I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

> $100

> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I

> can. My question:

>

> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

> machine,

> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

> drives

> and are only about half full.

>

>

 

Here is a procedure that has worked for me. First off, image your current

installation to removable media before beginning in case something botches.

When done, do below.

 

1. Remove all hardware that may be sensitive to bios level irq

adjustments/conflicts. Printers and software. Lan cards. Similar. Remove

any video card adapter software. Temporarily disconnect any external

peripherals. Remove any device driver software if available in add/remove

software in windows.

 

2. Reboot. Go directly to windows safe mode. In device manager, remove

all devices. Save the ide driver for last. If possible shutdown windows

and turn off the PC. If not, just turn off the PC.

 

3. If available, using boot media, image this windows installation to

removable media.

 

4. Been my experience that SOMETIMES when moving hard drives to another

motherboard, the 2nd PC's bios interprets the hard drive with slightly

different parameters. This can be minor with some filename or file data

failures, to the extreme, of not even finding the partition location. If

that does happen, simply turn off the PC. Restore the image of the stripped

version of windows over your current installation. The imaging software

will take into account the different layout hard drive interpretation of the

2nd PC's bios. This is the actual source of most problems moving 98/98SE

system hard drives by folks knowing what they are doing.

 

Note: Your "D:" drive may have similar problems. You will need an image

backup of that for potential restoration.

 

5. Boot windows. Ignore all messages regarding drivers for now. Install

the driver software for the new motherboard. Some drivers may be in a

separate folder on the driver installation media. Reboot.

 

6. Install the video card or onboard video software if pertinent. Adjust

the video screen resolution and color bit and refresh rate appropriate for

both you and the 3rd party software. Reboot.

 

7. Install any 3rd party drive software previously removed, in tandem,

while adding/connecting hardware. One at time, please. Reboot after each

install.

 

Dave

[Guest legg]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:29:32 -0800, "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net>

wrote:

>I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

>everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

>loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about $100

>at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I

>can. My question:

>

>Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

>(the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new machine,

>properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

>reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm drives

>and are only about half full.

>

This OS/hardrive started out in a PIII Hewlett Packard machine. When

the MB died, I replaced it with a MB that used an AMD Sempron and a

completely different board chipset from different manufacturers.

 

This new MB came with a CD of drivers.

 

When I booted up with the old hard drive, it took some time (half a

day) for all the new devices to be recognized and loaded. Only one or

two SW applications failed to run normally. These turned out to be

licensing issues, only, or related to flavours of Video card.

 

Perhaps I was just lucky, but the coniguration is still running many

years later.

 

Gather up a package containing the driver info or driver 'installers'

from the newer machine and copy it onto the hard drive in your old

machine, before migrating the old machine's hard drive into the new

machine. You might keep the previous hard drive on the second IDE

cable, or as a slave, to be searchable for missing drivers.

 

RL

[Guest philo]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

 

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

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> I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

$100

> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I

> can. My question:

>

> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

machine,

> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

drives

> and are only about half full.

>

>

 

 

The $100 is a good deal...

but putting your old drive in it will be kinf of a risk.

 

Win98 may or may not reconfigure itself...

Though win98 is fairly good at reconfiguring...you will definately need

different drivers...especially for the chipset...

they may or may not be avail for win98

 

 

Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect on page loading time

[Guest bobster]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

Philo, you said, "Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect on

page loading time".

 

Speeding up page loading time would be my main reason for upgrading my

300MHz, Win98se machine to a 1-1.5 MHz machine. Performance of my old

machine in most every other instance is perfectly acceptable to me so going

through all the trouble of upgrading with no real payoff doesn't seem

warranted. Think I'll just stick with what I have until something major

gives out.

 

Thanks to everyone for all their suggestions and help.

 

 

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

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> I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

$100

> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I

> can. My question:

>

> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

machine,

> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

drives

> and are only about half full.

>

>

 

 

The $100 is a good deal...

but putting your old drive in it will be kinf of a risk.

 

Win98 may or may not reconfigure itself...

Though win98 is fairly good at reconfiguring...you will definately need

different drivers...especially for the chipset...

they may or may not be avail for win98

 

 

Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect on page loading time

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

bobster wrote:

> Philo, you said, "Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect

on

> page loading time".

>

> Speeding up page loading time would be my main reason for upgrading my

> 300MHz, Win98se machine to a 1-1.5 MHz machine.

 

Which is probably not going to change all that much.

But then again, I'm on dialup, so it's a non-issue, and I'm used to it.

Old school values .... of patience and perseverance. :-)

> Performance of my old

> machine in most every other instance is perfectly acceptable to me so

going

> through all the trouble of upgrading with no real payoff doesn't seem

> warranted. Think I'll just stick with what I have until something major

> gives out.

>

> Thanks to everyone for all their suggestions and help.

>

>

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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>

> "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

> news:e8QHVb7OIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

>> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

>> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

$100

>> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as

I

>> can. My question:

>>

>> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

>> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

machine,

>> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

>> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

drives

>> and are only about half full.

>>

>>

>

>

> The $100 is a good deal...

> but putting your old drive in it will be kinf of a risk.

>

> Win98 may or may not reconfigure itself...

> Though win98 is fairly good at reconfiguring...you will definately need

> different drivers...especially for the chipset...

> they may or may not be avail for win98

>

>

> Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect on page loading

time

[Guest Robert Baer]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

MEB wrote:

> "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

> news:e8QHVb7OIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

> | everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

> | loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

> $100

> | at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I

> | can. My question:

> |

> | Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

> | (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

> machine,

> | properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

> | reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

> drives

> | and are only about half full.

> |

> |

>

>

> Others will pop-in, but here's the major problem:

>

> Those hard drives carry the previous Windows configuration [at least the

> one with the system on it], e.g., the devices and chipset information from

> the previous system. Nothing will likely be the same. When you attempt to

> start Windows, nothing will be correct. That's everything, from processor,

> to chipsets, to ports, to ... causing a REAL UGLY mess. Also, the disks

> themselves may be handled differently by the BIOS [translation], so there

> may be a potential issue there as well.

>

> So Yes, you can use those disks, but likely you will need to at least

> re-install the OS [and the applications] because attempts at an over-install

> will place you in a DLL mis-match situation..

>

> If you carefully backup the individual application user made files, with

> proper folder indications, once the OS and applications are re-installed you

> could replace those back to their original locations, giving the appearance

> of the original, but configured properly for the new system.

>

Well, i have switched HDs between an old P2-266 and a newer P5-2000

and other than feeding the "alternate" computer the Win98SE disk and a

video driver, ther were no problems.

Did not matter which way i went, but after both video drivers were

loaded, there was no OS quibble about that; just a bumch of "found new

hardware" and need for OS disk.

Slow page loading could be caused by either a busy process inthe

background, or 2-3 "small" processes running.

Most antivirus and firewall software qualify as "busy" so if you

uninstall, rip out HD crap left behind, and rip out registry crap left

behind, then you might be free of one or the other (or both).

Some AV software is as hard to remove as virii.

Use Gibsin Research Corp to check that all lower 1024+ ports are

closed, and use intelligence on e-mails (using webmail exclusively with

it set for ASCII only) as well as surfing.

Over 5 years on one HD that way, and no problems.

[Guest pjp]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

All I can add to already posted comments is that I just took a hard disk out

of a Compaq portable and used it in a IBM Thinkpad. The OS "noticed" all the

hardware changes and did "many" install drivers and reboots but in the end

it's up and running with the already installed apps.

 

 

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

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> I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does

> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page

> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about

$100

> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I

> can. My question:

>

> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se

> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new

machine,

> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of

> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm

drives

> and are only about half full.

>

>

[Guest Buffalo]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

 

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

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> Philo, you said, "Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect

on

> page loading time".

>

> Speeding up page loading time would be my main reason for upgrading my

> 300MHz, Win98se machine to a 1-1.5 MHz machine. Performance of my old

> machine in most every other instance is perfectly acceptable to me so

going

> through all the trouble of upgrading with no real payoff doesn't seem

> warranted. Think I'll just stick with what I have until something major

> gives out.

>

> Thanks to everyone for all their suggestions and help.

>

 

I've done this several times when going to a new motherboard and all I did

was to delete the total Enum key in the Registry at:

HKLM/Enum and shut down immediately through Start, Shut Down.

 

Remove the booting HDD from the old machine and install it in the new one by

itself.

Win98SE should just start recognizing all the devices, etc.

 

As for slow page loading, it may be another issue such as too much

unnecessary stuff running or not enough RAM or improper modem settings or

not clearing out your temporary internet files.

You should have at least 256MB of ram and I would recommend 512MB, or more.

Ram is cheap.

 

PS: I'm sure you meant upgrading to a 1-1.5GHz machine.

[Guest bobster]

Re: Computer upgrade

 

"PS: I'm sure you meant upgrading to a 1-1.5GHz machine."

 

Oops!

 

Yes, of course I meant 1-1.5 GHz

 

 

"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

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"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

news:elLB5hGPIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Philo, you said, "Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect

on

> page loading time".

>

> Speeding up page loading time would be my main reason for upgrading my

> 300MHz, Win98se machine to a 1-1.5 MHz machine. Performance of my old

> machine in most every other instance is perfectly acceptable to me so

going

> through all the trouble of upgrading with no real payoff doesn't seem

> warranted. Think I'll just stick with what I have until something major

> gives out.

>

> Thanks to everyone for all their suggestions and help.

>

 

I've done this several times when going to a new motherboard and all I did

was to delete the total Enum key in the Registry at:

HKLM/Enum and shut down immediately through Start, Shut Down.

 

Remove the booting HDD from the old machine and install it in the new one by

itself.

Win98SE should just start recognizing all the devices, etc.

 

As for slow page loading, it may be another issue such as too much

unnecessary stuff running or not enough RAM or improper modem settings or

not clearing out your temporary internet files.

You should have at least 256MB of ram and I would recommend 512MB, or more.

Ram is cheap.

 

PS: I'm sure you meant upgrading to a 1-1.5GHz machine.