MI5-Persecution: Why do you think MI5 are responsible? (4043)

[Guest MI5-Victim@mi5.gov.uk]

Why do you think MI5 are responsible?

 

The question of who is ultimately responsible for this eight-year

harassment is one which is very difficult to answer, as the persecutors

have never clearly made their identities known to the persecutee. However,

I believe I am correct in attributing the continuing victimisation to

elements of the British Security Service MI5, and in this article, I will

try to explain the reasons for this belief.

 

The British internet magazine ".net" featured my website on page 17 of

their March 1998 issue (number 42). Their review kindly describes it as an

"excellent site" and gives some details of what the net surfer will find

there. Should you wish to reply to this article you can do so;

 

"When did you first suspect MI5 were responsible?"

 

Over Easter 1995 I went to see a local solicitor in London with a view to

talking to the police about the harassment. Soon afterwards I did go to my

local police station in Clapham and spoke to an officer there. The

solicitor made a comment which suggested to me that the persecution I had

been experiencing may have been organised by an intelligence service.

 

Up to this point, I did not have any clear idea as to who was behind the

harassment. Only their agents were visible, in the media, on television

news programmes, and on the radio; in the workplace, where things said at

my home were repeated verbatim; and in some cases abuse in public and

during travel, for example on the trip to Poland in June 1992 which I have

already described.

 

Both from the fact that widely disparate individuals and organisations

were employed as agents in the campaign against me, and from the fact that

an entity would be required to marshal their resources in the areas of

spying on my home and giving gathered information to their agents, it was

clear to me that a single entity was responsible for carrying out the

campaign. Yet from June 1990 until Easter 1995 I did not have a clear idea

of who might be responsible. I guessed that perhaps some private

individual or group of persons who saw themselves as my enemies had

perhaps paid private detectives to organise the harassment. Alternatively,

since the campaign had started in the media, I made a far-fetched

supposition that perhaps it was an ad-hoc group of media people who had

set themselves up in opposition to me. After Easter 1995 I saw that these

guesses were wrong, and I made an I believe much more accurate estimate as

to who my enemies really are.

 

"Why couldn't a private group be behind the persecution?"

 

There are several reasons why a private individual or group would not be

behind this campaign.

 

Quantity of resources / Money. Here is what one Usenet (internet

newsgroup) participant had to say (several years ago) on the topic of how

much money it would cost just to keep the surveillance going.

 

PM: >But why? And why you? Do you realize how much it would cost to keep

PM: >one person under continuous surveillance for five years? Think about

PM: >all the man/hours. Say they _just_ allocated a two man team and a

PM: >supervisor. OK., Supervisor's salary, say, #30,000 a year. Two men,

PM: >#20,000 a year each. But they'd need to work in shifts -- so it would

PM: >be six men at #20,000 (which with on-costs would work out at more

like

PM: >#30,000 to the employer.)

PM: >

PM: >So, we're talking #30,000 x 6. #180,000. plus say, #40,000 for the

PM: >supervisor. #220,000. Then you've got the hardware involved. And

PM: >any transcription that needs doing. You don't think the 'Big Boss'

PM: >would listen to hours and hours of tapes, do you.

PM: >

PM: >So, all in all, you couldn't actually do the job for much less than

PM: >a quarter million a year. Over five years. What are you doing that

makes

PM: >it worth the while of the state to spend over one and a quarter

million

PM: >on you?

 

A private individual or group would not spend over a million pounds to

verbally torture a victim without some financial motive or gain. Private

industry is driven by the profit motive, and there is no financial profit

to be had from carrying out a campaign in this way. If a private

enterprise were behind it then they would have taken direct physical

action a long time ago.

 

State enterprises, on the other hand, can afford to be wasteful, since

they are funded by the taxpayer. They do not have to show a money

profit. The employees or contractors employed by a state organisation such

as MI5 are driven by their own personal profit motives, to make the most

money out of their employers for the longest period of time. MI5 is funded

to the tune of #150M p.a.; even a few hundred thousand a year would to

them be affordable if their managers could convince themselves of the

necessity of what they were doing.

 

Quality of resources / Technical resources - electronic and other

surveillance. In summer 1994 a reputable and competent private detective

agency was employed to conduct a counter-surveillance sweep of my home in

London. They charged us over #400 for this, conducted a thorough search

for radio transmitting devices, hard-wired "probe" microphones and also

tested the telephone line. They found nothing. This was not altogether

surprising, since it had been made very clear to me that there were bugs

in my home; the "buggers" would not have made this clear unless they had

felt their bugs were of sufficient sophistication as to be safe from

detection.

 

But there is another lesson to be gained from the failure of the private

detectives to find anything. The agency employed was one of the most

reputable in London. They were employed on the principle of "setting a

thief to catch a thief", for if the harassment were being carried out by

private detectives, as I then believed, then surely another set of private

detectives would be able to find the bugs that they had planted. That

these "private eyes" were unable to find anything, and that the harassers

were confident that they would not be able to find any bugs, points to the

harassers being an order of sophistication above a private agency, and

leads me again to believe that a state intelligence service is responsible

for the surveillance and harassment.

 

Quality of resources / Technical resources - Interception of Postal

service. In summer 1994 when I emigrated to Canada to try to escape the

harassment, I wrote letters home to my family and friends in London. Quite

soon after my arrival in Canada, the harassers were able to find precisely

where I was staying. The only way I can see of "their" being able to find

out my new address was by interception of my letters to the UK.

 

Later in 1994, I conducted an experiment to see if my letters home were

indeed being read. In a letter home I wrote of being depressed and talked

in vague terms of suicide. I deliberately chose this topic, since I

believed it was the outcome my harassers were trying to achieve, and that

if they read the letter, they would "echo" its contents. Sure enough, soon

afterwards there were two incidents of people shouting "suicide" at me in

public places in Canada.

 

It is inconceivable for a private agency to have the ability to intercept

postal mail. The state security service on the other hand is well known to

engage in these activities.

 

Quality of resources / Access to Media. One of the strangest aspects of

this case is the access "they" have to the broadcast and print media. I

still do not understand what could persuade newscasters such as Martyn

Lewis and Michael Buerk, who consider themselves "gentlemen", to behave in

an almost voyeuristic way by "peeking" into the living room of one of

their viewers. A year ago I wrote to the BBC asking if these newscasters

would confirm or deny the accusations made against them. The BBC replied

that their newscasters had denied the accusations, but refused to do so in

writing.

 

It is well known that MI5 have the ability to plant stories in certain

newspapers, but convincing television newscasters to "watch" a viewer

while they read the news would surely be very difficult for them to

accomplish, unless they presented themselves to these journalists as

being, for example, a group in the media who were seeing to it that I got

my "deserved" treatment. MI5 has a history of manipulating the media, so

it might not be too difficult for them to accomplish such a trick, whereas

a private group would not have this ability.

 

"Have they ever denied that they are the Security Service?"

 

No. Never. This is in fact the main reason why I believe "they" are MI5

and not a privately funded group. If my guess had been wrong then I am

sure that "they" would have crowed over my mistake, but they have never

admitted nor denied that they are employees of MI5.

 

In early January 1996 I flew on a British Airways jet from London to

Montreal; also present on the plane, about three or four rows behind me,

were two young men, one of them fat and voluble, the other silent. It was

quite clear that these two had been planted on the aircraft to "wind me

up". The fat youth described the town in Poland where I had spent

Christmas, and made some unpleasant personal slurs against me. Most

interestingly, he said the words, "he doesnt know who we are".

 

Now I find this particular form of words very interesting, because while

it is not a clear admission, it is only a half-hearted attempt at denial

of my guess that "they" = "MI5". Had my guess been wrong, the fat youth

would surely have said so more clearly.

 

"If MI5 were behind it, why would they wish to mask their involvement?"

 

I have heard a number of times a belief from people in the media that it

is they, the media people, who are behind the abuse. In spring 1994 Chris

Tarrant the Capital Radio D.J. said sarcastically on his breakfast show,

"You know this bloke? he says were trying to kill him. We should be done

for attempted manslaughter". We, we, we. Tarrant thought it was a media

conspiracy.

 

Returning to the question of "interactive watching" by television

newscasters, it would again be much easier for them to take part in that

sort of activity if they convinced themselves that the surveillance and

abuse were organised by "their own", by media people. It must be second

nature to MI5 to mask their involvement in the matters they deal with; in

this case, they pretend the campaign is organised by a group in the media,

and any journalists who suspect otherwise keep their silence.

 

Conclusion

 

Over the last three years I have stated with some force my belief that MI5

are responsible for my misfortunes. I have done so on Internet newsgroups,

in letters and faxes to people in politics and the media in the UK, and in

1997 I made a formal complaint to MI5 regarding their activities; the

Security Service Tribunal replied in June 1997 that "no determination in

your favour has been made on your complaint". (I believe the statement by

the Security Service Tribunal can be disregarded, as they have never, ever

made a ruling in favour of a complainant.) In three years of naming MI5 as

my oppressor "they" have never denied the charge. To me, their silence on

this point indicates that my guess was accurate. I believe my persecutors

stand identified. The question of why they should carry out this campaign

is one I will try to answer in a future article.

 

4043

 

 

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[Guest Russ \(SBITS.Biz\)]

Re: MI5-Persecution: Why do you think MI5 are responsible? (4043)

 

Dude,

 

I'm not a doctor but I think a increase in your daily lithium dosage is

needed.

Please consult your Physician ASAP.

 

This newsgroup might help on your next posting.

alt.society.mental-health

 

You will get the help you need.

 

Russ AKA 007

And please don't tell anyone I'm an MI5 agent. :)

 

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