Guest ms Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 Re: DOS question ms <ms@invalid.com> wrote in news:5sokbnF1a3masU1@mid.individual.net: > ms <ms@invalid.com> wrote in news:5so4j4F1acjvbU1@mid.individual.net: > >> "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in >> news:#Ps6pTOQIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: >> >>> "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message >>> news:5snvrhF19ircnU2@mid.individual.net... >>>> "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in >>>> news:enWyucNQIHA.2376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: >>>> Ben, thanks, you are always helpful. >>>> Having tried other things, finally your help above did the trick, >>>> as Philo mentioned earlier. A boot disk from that site has all the >>>> needed >>> >>>> files on one disk, no install is necessary, which helped in this >>>> case. Everything worked fine, fdisk, format, boots up to a DOS 6.22 >>>> C >>> prompt. >>>> No W95 mention at all. It is finally a true DOS machine. >>>> Now, one minor glitch, each bootup it asks for confirm date and >>>> time, maybe thats a DOS default to live with. >>> >>> Create a "c:\autoexec.bat" file. It can be empty or one that >>> actually does something. >>> >>> Ben >>> >> Thanks, will do that. >> >> Somethings not quite normal, yet. >> >> I want to install DOS 6,22, my disks say with disk #1 inserted, >> reboot and setup will start, it did yesterday at some point, but >> today on reboot it says "Invalid system disk, replace disk....." >> >> Would have thought that would go OK. My 6.22 disks are IIRC, the MS >> DOS version. >> >> Guess a question is: how to install, maybe copy files to C with a >> real directory this time, run it from C, although that may not work >> with this. >> >> ms > > Hope someone has ideas on this. I just did a search for DOS > newsgroups, I found very few with any activity, even alt.dos.batch has > only about 5 posts in the past month. > > ms > The boot sequence may be the problem. If it looks to A first, that would explain the message. ms
Guest Marcus Red Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 Re: DOS question ms wrote: > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in news:#eRquqDQIHA.5980 > @TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: > >> Sorry, should be: >> >> Leave the C out and type: >> >> cd dos >> > > Thanks, Brian > > cd DOS > > "invalid directory" > > I took pains to use caps for the directory as it was named in caps. > > It boots up with the W95 logo and message starting W95 again as before the > Fdisk work, as if I didn't change anything, so still a puzzle. > > ms Well it's too late now, but the reason you couldn't CD DOS is that "DOS" is a file; very likely the last one that "copy a:*.* c:\dos" overwrote - if there isn't a directory called c:\DOS then "copy" ASSuMEs that the target is a filename. You needed to have "md c:\dos" first.
Guest Brian A. Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 Re: DOS question "Marcus Red" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:XVQ9j.18521$KC3.15058@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net... > Well it's too late now, but the reason you couldn't CD DOS is that "DOS" is a file; > very likely the last one that "copy a:*.* c:\dos" overwrote - if there isn't a > directory called c:\DOS then "copy" ASSuMEs that the target is a filename. > You needed to have "md c:\dos" first. > From the OPs original post: <quote> Rebooted to (W95) C prompt. Copied the 3 DOS install disks to a new DOS directory in C. Rebooted, DIR at C shows the DOS directory </quote> -- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
Guest Ben Myers Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 Re: DOS question "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message news:5so4j4F1acjvbU1@mid.individual.net... > "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in > news:#Ps6pTOQIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > Somethings not quite normal, yet. > I want to install DOS 6,22, my disks say with disk #1 inserted, reboot > and setup will start, it did yesterday at some point, but today on reboot > it says "Invalid system disk, replace disk....." Sounds like the computer is having trouble reading the floppy. To test it, try it on another computer or use ScanDisk in thorough or surface scan mode. Concerning the floppy drive in the problem computer, you might try cleaning it or replacing it with a known good drive. > Would have thought that would go OK. My 6.22 disks are IIRC, the MS DOS > version. > Guess a question is: how to install, maybe copy files to C with a real > directory this time, run it from C, although that may not work with this. It is my understanding that DOS 6.22 setup checks the volume label for each floppy, so running setup from the hard drive may be difficult. Since the DOS 6.22 system files are already installed on the computer, you might just go ahead with your plans and deal with problems as they occur. Ben
Guest ms Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 Re: DOS question "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in news:#hbJw3YQIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message > news:5so4j4F1acjvbU1@mid.individual.net... >> "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in >> news:#Ps6pTOQIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: >> Somethings not quite normal, yet. >> I want to install DOS 6,22, my disks say with disk #1 inserted, >> reboot > >> and setup will start, it did yesterday at some point, but today on > reboot >> it says "Invalid system disk, replace disk....." > > Sounds like the computer is having trouble reading the floppy. To > test it, try it on another computer or use ScanDisk in thorough or > surface scan mode. Concerning the floppy drive in the problem > computer, you might try cleaning it or replacing it with a known good > drive. > >> Would have thought that would go OK. My 6.22 disks are IIRC, the MS > DOS >> version. >> Guess a question is: how to install, maybe copy files to C with a >> real > >> directory this time, run it from C, although that may not work with > this. > > It is my understanding that DOS 6.22 setup checks the volume label > for each floppy, so running setup from the hard drive may be > difficult. Since the DOS 6.22 system files are already installed on > the computer, you might just go ahead with your plans and deal with > problems as they occur. > > Ben > Thanks, Ben, some things to look at. I would like to, if possible, load DOS 6.22 as it offers a reasonable DOS shell menu. Otherwise I have to load Xtree. I used to know Xtree, but it takes a good memory (human) for all those keystrokes, which I don't have at my age. I will open another thread, as I can't get into BIOS. ms
Guest ms Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 Re: DOS question "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in news:#hbJw3YQIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > > Sounds like the computer is having trouble reading the floppy. To > test it, try it on another computer or use ScanDisk in thorough or > surface scan mode. Concerning the floppy drive in the problem > computer, you might try cleaning it or replacing it with a known good > drive. > The floppy reads fine in another computer. ms
Guest dadiOH Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 Re: DOS question Brian A. wrote: > "Marcus Red" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in message > news:XVQ9j.18521$KC3.15058@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net... > >> Well it's too late now, but the reason you couldn't CD DOS is that >> "DOS" is a file; very likely the last one that "copy a:*.* c:\dos" >> overwrote - if there isn't a directory called c:\DOS then "copy" >> ASSuMEs that the target is a filename. >> You needed to have "md c:\dos" first. >> > > From the OPs original post: > <quote> > Rebooted to (W95) C prompt. > > Copied the 3 DOS install disks to a new DOS directory in C. > > Rebooted, DIR at C shows the DOS directory > </quote> Well, that's what he *thought* he was doing. I'm betting that Marcus is right and that ms's DIR showed him a file named "DOS"...that he never made a directory. --� dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Guest Brian A. Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 Re: DOS question "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message news:OiUu3kaQIHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Brian A. wrote: >> "Marcus Red" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in message >> news:XVQ9j.18521$KC3.15058@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net... >> >>> Well it's too late now, but the reason you couldn't CD DOS is that >>> "DOS" is a file; very likely the last one that "copy a:*.* c:\dos" >>> overwrote - if there isn't a directory called c:\DOS then "copy" >>> ASSuMEs that the target is a filename. >>> You needed to have "md c:\dos" first. >>> >> >> From the OPs original post: >> <quote> >> Rebooted to (W95) C prompt. >> >> Copied the 3 DOS install disks to a new DOS directory in C. >> >> Rebooted, DIR at C shows the DOS directory >> </quote> > > Well, that's what he *thought* he was doing. I'm betting that Marcus > is right and that ms's DIR showed him a file named "DOS"...that he > never made a directory. > > > --� > A likely possiblity it could have been a file instead of a directory. Since ms never mentioned either way and we can't see his machine, only he could explain what he did and what he saw. That waters under the bridge and passed by at this point in time. -- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
Guest Don Phillipson Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 Re: DOS question > "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in > news:#hbJw3YQIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > > > Sounds like the computer is having trouble reading the floppy. To > > test it, try it on another computer or use ScanDisk in thorough or > > surface scan mode. Concerning the floppy drive in the problem > > computer, you might try cleaning it or replacing it with a known good > > drive. "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message news:5sqbtkF1acelsU2@mid.individual.net... > The floppy reads fine in another computer. This seems to confirm that you should replace the floppy drive as recommended. These things do not last for ever . . . -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)
Guest ms Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: DOS question "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in news:#lnfzMbQIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message > news:OiUu3kaQIHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Brian A. wrote: >>> "Marcus Red" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in message >>> news:XVQ9j.18521$KC3.15058@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net... >>> >>>> Well it's too late now, but the reason you couldn't CD DOS is that >>>> "DOS" is a file; very likely the last one that "copy a:*.* c:\dos" >>>> overwrote - if there isn't a directory called c:\DOS then "copy" >>>> ASSuMEs that the target is a filename. >>>> You needed to have "md c:\dos" first. >>>> >>> >>> From the OPs original post: >>> <quote> >>> Rebooted to (W95) C prompt. >>> >>> Copied the 3 DOS install disks to a new DOS directory in C. >>> >>> Rebooted, DIR at C shows the DOS directory >>> </quote> >> >> Well, that's what he *thought* he was doing. I'm betting that Marcus >> is right and that ms's DIR showed him a file named "DOS"...that he >> never made a directory. >> >> >> --� >> > > A likely possiblity it could have been a file instead of a > directory. Since ms > never mentioned either way and we can't see his machine, only he could > explain what he did and what he saw. That waters under the bridge and > passed by at this point in time. > > It was simply that the copy parameters worked, but my path statement was wrong, it's been years since I used DOS, so tried to copy to a new directory, DOS does not do that, have to create the directory first, then copy files into it. The result was the intended directory name, but was actually empty. Sorry that I exercised you folks when the dirctory did not exist, but I learned how to detect it in this thread. ms
Guest ms Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: DOS question "Don Phillipson" <d.phillipsonSPAMBLOCK@rogers.com> wrote in news:ONjh5OcQIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: >> "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in >> news:#hbJw3YQIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: >> >> > Sounds like the computer is having trouble reading the floppy. To >> > test it, try it on another computer or use ScanDisk in thorough or >> > surface scan mode. Concerning the floppy drive in the problem >> > computer, you might try cleaning it or replacing it with a known good >> > drive. > > "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message > news:5sqbtkF1acelsU2@mid.individual.net... > >> The floppy reads fine in another computer. > > This seems to confirm that you should replace the > floppy drive as recommended. These things do not > last for ever . . . > Don, I should have included that the machine's floppy drive works fine, that was a possibility, but not the solution. If I could get into BIOS and change the boot sequence, I think that would do it. ms
Guest dadiOH Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: DOS question ms wrote: > Don, I should have included that the machine's floppy drive works > fine, that was a possibility, but not the solution. If I could get > into BIOS and change the boot sequence, I think that would do it. Why? 1. You have no DOS (or other OS) on the HD. 2. You are trying to install to HD DOS from floppies. Without success. 3. You want to copy the install floppies to HD and use the HD data to install. If you do #3 and then dump A: from the boot chain then how, pray tell, do you think you are going to access the HD? It does not compute... -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Guest ms Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: DOS question "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in news:#P$#0ajQIHA.5692 @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > ms wrote: > >> Don, I should have included that the machine's floppy drive works >> fine, that was a possibility, but not the solution. If I could get >> into BIOS and change the boot sequence, I think that would do it. > > Why? > > 1. You have no DOS (or other OS) on the HD. > 2. You are trying to install to HD DOS from floppies. Without > success. > 3. You want to copy the install floppies to HD and use the HD data to > install. > > If you do #3 and then dump A: from the boot chain then how, pray tell, > do you think you are going to access the HD? It does not compute... > > I came to that conclusion when I posted about that, and stated it. As usual, your post is not helpful. ms
Guest dadiOH Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: DOS question ms wrote: > "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in news:#P$#0ajQIHA.5692 > @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > >> ms wrote: >> >>> Don, I should have included that the machine's floppy drive works >>> fine, that was a possibility, but not the solution. If I could get >>> into BIOS and change the boot sequence, I think that would do it. >> >> Why? >> >> 1. You have no DOS (or other OS) on the HD. >> 2. You are trying to install to HD DOS from floppies. Without >> success. >> 3. You want to copy the install floppies to HD and use the HD >> data to install. >> >> If you do #3 and then dump A: from the boot chain then how, pray >> tell, do you think you are going to access the HD? It does not >> compute... >> >> > > I came to that conclusion when I posted about that, and stated it. You did? I quoted what you posted when I replied to it. I did not and do not see your conclusion, do you? _____________ > As usual, your post is not helpful. And as usual your posts and replies are generally a morass of unsnipped verbiage that is unnecessary and which makes finding something very difficult. This one happens to be one of the rare exceptions but only because others had already snipped. Also as usual you are thrashing about trying to do something about which you haven't a clue. Which is good in a way as it gives others in the group something to do. Have you considered a hobby other than computers? -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Guest Bill in Co. Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: DOS question dadiOH wrote: > ms wrote: >> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in news:#P$#0ajQIHA.5692 >> @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: >> >>> ms wrote: >>> >>>> Don, I should have included that the machine's floppy drive works >>>> fine, that was a possibility, but not the solution. If I could get >>>> into BIOS and change the boot sequence, I think that would do it. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> 1. You have no DOS (or other OS) on the HD. >>> 2. You are trying to install to HD DOS from floppies. Without >>> success. >>> 3. You want to copy the install floppies to HD and use the HD >>> data to install. >>> >>> If you do #3 and then dump A: from the boot chain then how, pray >>> tell, do you think you are going to access the HD? It does not >>> compute... >>> >>> >> >> I came to that conclusion when I posted about that, and stated it. > > You did? I quoted what you posted when I replied to it. I did not > and do not see your conclusion, do you? > _____________ > >> As usual, your post is not helpful. > > And as usual your posts and replies are generally a morass of > unsnipped verbiage that is unnecessary and which makes finding > something very difficult. This one happens to be one of the rare > exceptions but only because others had already snipped. > > Also as usual you are thrashing about trying to do something about > which you haven't a clue. Which is good in a way as it gives others > in the group something to do. Have you considered a hobby other than > computers? That wasn't very nice, Don. Come on now, you can be a little bit more of a gentleman than that. Old school values? Nevermind, I'm probably dating myself.
Guest dadiOH Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: DOS question Bill in Co. wrote: > dadiOH wrote: >> ms wrote: >>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in news:#P$#0ajQIHA.5692 >>> @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: >>> >>>> ms wrote: >>>> >>>>> Don, I should have included that the machine's floppy drive >>>>> works fine, that was a possibility, but not the solution. If I >>>>> could get into BIOS and change the boot sequence, I think that >>>>> would do it. >>>> >>>> Why? >>>> >>>> 1. You have no DOS (or other OS) on the HD. >>>> 2. You are trying to install to HD DOS from floppies. Without >>>> success. >>>> 3. You want to copy the install floppies to HD and use the HD >>>> data to install. >>>> >>>> If you do #3 and then dump A: from the boot chain then how, pray >>>> tell, do you think you are going to access the HD? It does not >>>> compute... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I came to that conclusion when I posted about that, and stated it. >> >> You did? I quoted what you posted when I replied to it. I did >> not and do not see your conclusion, do you? >> _____________ >> >>> As usual, your post is not helpful. >> >> And as usual your posts and replies are generally a morass of >> unsnipped verbiage that is unnecessary and which makes finding >> something very difficult. This one happens to be one of the rare >> exceptions but only because others had already snipped. >> >> Also as usual you are thrashing about trying to do something about >> which you haven't a clue. Which is good in a way as it gives >> others in the group something to do. Have you considered a hobby >> other than computers? > > That wasn't very nice, Don. Come on now, you can be a little bit > more of a gentleman than that. Old school values? > Nevermind, I'm probably dating myself. I'm not Don. Not nice? I tried to save him some time by showing him that something wouldn't work and he gives me a ration. Screw him. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Guest Bill in Co. Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: DOS question dadiOH wrote: > Bill in Co. wrote: >> dadiOH wrote: >>> ms wrote: >>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in news:#P$#0ajQIHA.5692 >>>> @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: >>>> >>>>> ms wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Don, I should have included that the machine's floppy drive >>>>>> works fine, that was a possibility, but not the solution. If I >>>>>> could get into BIOS and change the boot sequence, I think that >>>>>> would do it. >>>>> >>>>> Why? >>>>> >>>>> 1. You have no DOS (or other OS) on the HD. >>>>> 2. You are trying to install to HD DOS from floppies. Without >>>>> success. >>>>> 3. You want to copy the install floppies to HD and use the HD >>>>> data to install. >>>>> >>>>> If you do #3 and then dump A: from the boot chain then how, pray >>>>> tell, do you think you are going to access the HD? It does not >>>>> compute... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> I came to that conclusion when I posted about that, and stated it. >>> >>> You did? I quoted what you posted when I replied to it. I did >>> not and do not see your conclusion, do you? >>> _____________ >>> >>>> As usual, your post is not helpful. >>> >>> And as usual your posts and replies are generally a morass of >>> unsnipped verbiage that is unnecessary and which makes finding >>> something very difficult. This one happens to be one of the rare >>> exceptions but only because others had already snipped. >>> >>> Also as usual you are thrashing about trying to do something about >>> which you haven't a clue. Which is good in a way as it gives >>> others in the group something to do. Have you considered a hobby >>> other than computers? >> >> That wasn't very nice, Don. Come on now, you can be a little bit >> more of a gentleman than that. Old school values? >> Nevermind, I'm probably dating myself. > > I'm not Don. > > Not nice? I tried to save him some time by showing him that something > wouldn't work and he gives me a ration. Screw him. Him? I thought it was a her.
Guest ms Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: DOS question "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in news:#hbJw3YQIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message > news:5so4j4F1acjvbU1@mid.individual.net... >> "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in >> news:#Ps6pTOQIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: >> Somethings not quite normal, yet. >> I want to install DOS 6,22, my disks say with disk #1 inserted, >> reboot > >> and setup will start, it did yesterday at some point, but today on > reboot >> it says "Invalid system disk, replace disk....." > > Sounds like the computer is having trouble reading the floppy. To > test it, try it on another computer or use ScanDisk in thorough or > surface scan mode. Concerning the floppy drive in the problem > computer, you might try cleaning it or replacing it with a known good > drive. > >> Would have thought that would go OK. My 6.22 disks are IIRC, the MS > DOS >> version. >> Guess a question is: how to install, maybe copy files to C with a >> real > >> directory this time, run it from C, although that may not work with > this. > > It is my understanding that DOS 6.22 setup checks the volume label > for each floppy, so running setup from the hard drive may be > difficult. Since the DOS 6.22 system files are already installed on > the computer, you might just go ahead with your plans and deal with > problems as they occur. > > Ben Ben I was able to load Xtree, and it mostly came back to me. It does most everything I need. Also I posted to a dos ng to see if there is some way to yet install DOS 6.22, for the remaining features. ms
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