The Problems of Registry Cleaners

[Guest O.J. Newman]

Hello:

 

As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more harm

than good.

 

There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group

"microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of "Which

Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings in

this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post referenced an

interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 , which

discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.

 

FYI.

 

Cheers,

O.J.

[Guest webster72n]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

That should sum it up nicely, for someone who didn't know already, OJ.

Concerning the average PC-User it is 'hands off' for Registry Cleaners.

Even though I have some of those programs mentioned at hand, including

'Eusing Free Registry Cleaner', I have followed the above rule from the very

beginning.

Thanks for the 'enlightenment'.

 

Harry.

 

 

 

"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message

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> Hello:

>

> As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more

harm

> than good.

>

> There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group

> "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of "Which

> Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings

in

> this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post referenced

an

> interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 ,

which

> discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.

>

> FYI.

>

> Cheers,

> O.J.

>

>

[Guest richard]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

O.J. Newman wrote:

> Hello:

>

> As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more harm

> than good.

>

> There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group

> "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of "Which

> Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings in

> this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post referenced an

> interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 , which

> discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.

>

> FYI.

>

> Cheers,

> O.J.

>

>

I read the usenet group comments and noticed that Silj excepted

CCleaner from his warning. I wonder how safe that program is.

 

rmk

[Guest webster72n]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

 

"richard" <rmk@wonderland.net> wrote in message

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> O.J. Newman wrote:

> > Hello:

> >

> > As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more

harm

> > than good.

> >

> > There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group

> > "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of

"Which

> > Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings

in

> > this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post

referenced an

> > interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 ,

which

> > discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.

> >

> > FYI.

> >

> > Cheers,

> > O.J.

> >

> >

> I read the usenet group comments and noticed that Silj excepted

> CCleaner from his warning. I wonder how safe that program is.

 

The program is safe, but in the wrong hands it can be detrimental, as is the

case with the others. Personally I am somewhat apprehensive about CCleaner,

proving that I'm just an 'average pc-user'. Maybe a short lesson could

'qualify' me <g>? <H>.

>

> rmk

[Guest Heirloom]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

I have used CCleaner and, for that matter, jv16 PowerTools...the old free

version, for a long time....never a prob. I always look at what is about to

be cleaned and put my blessings on it, as well as making a backup. Plus, I

have a complete disc backup in two other places.

Guess you could say I don't trust myself or the hardware/software.

Heirloom, old and backup my backups

 

 

"webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>

> "richard" <rmk@wonderland.net> wrote in message

> news:eDZJJUmRIHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> O.J. Newman wrote:

>> > Hello:

>> >

>> > As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more

> harm

>> > than good.

>> >

>> > There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group

>> > "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of

> "Which

>> > Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent

>> > postings

> in

>> > this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post

> referenced an

>> > interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 ,

> which

>> > discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.

>> >

>> > FYI.

>> >

>> > Cheers,

>> > O.J.

>> >

>> >

>> I read the usenet group comments and noticed that Silj excepted

>> CCleaner from his warning. I wonder how safe that program is.

>

> The program is safe, but in the wrong hands it can be detrimental, as is

> the

> case with the others. Personally I am somewhat apprehensive about

> CCleaner,

> proving that I'm just an 'average pc-user'. Maybe a short lesson could

> 'qualify' me <g>? <H>.

>

>>

>> rmk

>

>

[Guest richard]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

Heirloom wrote:

> I have used CCleaner and, for that matter, jv16 PowerTools...the old free

> version, for a long time....never a prob. I always look at what is about to

> be cleaned and put my blessings on it, as well as making a backup. Plus, I

> have a complete disc backup in two other places.

> Guess you could say I don't trust myself or the hardware/software.

> Heirloom, old and backup my backups

>

>

> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:Ofoi0xmRIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> "richard" <rmk@wonderland.net> wrote in message

>> news:eDZJJUmRIHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> O.J. Newman wrote:

>>>> Hello:

>>>>

>>>> As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more

>> harm

>>>> than good.

>>>>

>>>> There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group

>>>> "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of

>> "Which

>>>> Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent

>>>> postings

>> in

>>>> this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post

>> referenced an

>>>> interesting forum thread at: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 ,

>> which

>>>> discussed the many problems that such utilities can cause.

>>>>

>>>> FYI.

>>>>

>>>> Cheers,

>>>> O.J.

>>>>

>>>>

>>> I read the usenet group comments and noticed that Silj excepted

>>> CCleaner from his warning. I wonder how safe that program is.

>> The program is safe, but in the wrong hands it can be detrimental, as is

>> the

>> case with the others. Personally I am somewhat apprehensive about

>> CCleaner,

>> proving that I'm just an 'average pc-user'. Maybe a short lesson could

>> 'qualify' me <g>? <H>.

>>

>>> rmk

>>

>

>

 

When cleaning the Applications, CC does not offer a backup. What to do

in that case?

[Guest O.J. Newman]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

Hello All:

 

*IF* someone wants to tread on thin ice, and try a registry cleaner,

contrary to advertising, the less aggressive ones would be the ones to go

with. This goes against the advertising claims of aggressive cleaners that

claim to find many more registry entry to delete than competing products,

but in being aggressive and deleting more registry entries, these products,

based on what I've read, are more likely to delete necessary registry

entries, causing troubles later on. The less aggressive cleaners are

probably safer as they would seem to only go after the more likely

unnecessary or duplicate registry entries.

 

For a review of some registries cleaners, if you are determined to go that

route, there's an online article "Langa Letter: Testing 10 Windows 'Registry

Cleaning' Software Packs" at:

http://www.informationweek.com/LP/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=171203805&pgno=1&queryText= .

Note that Fred Langa is in favor of using a good registry cleaning utility,

advice that goes against that of *many* MS MVP Usenet contributors,

including Mike M. here. Langa writes highly of the original freeware JV

Power Tools, the newer shareware editions of JV Power Tools, and EasyCleaner

by ToniArts. For a paid product, Langa recommends the newer shareware

editions of JV Power Tools. For freeware products, he likes the original JV

power Tools and EasyCleaner. And, unfortunately, he did not include CCleaner

in his review.

 

But as mentioned in the Win XP Usenet groups, freeware registry cleaners can

possibly wreak havoc on your system at no cost to you, and the

commercial/shareware products will charge you good money for the opportunity

to cause problems on your system.

 

At the very least, if you are tempted to try one/some of these utilities, be

sure to follow the advice presented here to backup first!

 

Just some observations from someone who is reading and trying to make sense

of this all.

 

Cheers,

O.J.

 

 

"Heirloom" <nobodyhome@noplacelike.hom> wrote in message

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>I have used CCleaner and, for that matter, jv16 PowerTools...the old free

>version, for a long time....never a prob. I always look at what is about

>to be cleaned and put my blessings on it, as well as making a backup.

>Plus, I have a complete disc backup in two other places.

> Guess you could say I don't trust myself or the hardware/software.

> Heirloom, old and backup my backups

[Guest O.J. Newman]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

Hello Again:

 

I meant to include in my last post, that the freeware registry cleaners

mentioned by Fred Langa can be found at:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/PL2007SYSTEMUTILITIES.php#3.02RegistryAndFileTools .

 

But remeber, you may be playing with fire, and to do backups first.

 

Cheers,

O.J.

[Guest Heirloom]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

richard,

I set it up initially to clean only the things that are safe to remove,

i.e. log files that are of no use to me other than telling me that last time

I ran a scan....WMP, I don't care for any stored info there!, etc. etc.

 

O.J.,

I have not been a real big fan of Langa for quite a while. Although,

most of his stuff is sound, there are those that I consider more "in the

know" that are quite critical of him. (only MHO, not banging your hero...if

he is). I totally agree that reg cleaners are mostly (if not all) snake oil

and of little or no use to anyone and they can cause a LOT of trouble.

I find a couple of them handy to retrieve things that would take me a while

to do manually, and, I NEVER let them do anything automatic and I ALWAYS

backup, even after looking at what is going to be cleaned. Mostly, I use

them when I have removed a program or made some major changes just to catch

most of the detritus that would take more time manually.

Heiroom, old and unorthodox

>

> When cleaning the Applications, CC does not offer a backup. What to do in

> that case?

[Guest webster72n]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

Don't know if he includes 'Eusing Free Registry Cleaner', but you ought to

try and find out about it, OJ. It has a restore feature and was mentioned

quite a while back by an MVP. I think it may even be better and safer than

CC. One may use it for one's personal pc for free and when the registration

box comes up, just click on 'skip'.

There you have it, that ought to cover 'the whole story'.

 

Harry.

 

 

"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message

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> Hello Again:

>

> I meant to include in my last post, that the freeware registry cleaners

> mentioned by Fred Langa can be found at:

>

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/PL2007SYSTEMUTILITIES.php#3.02RegistryAndFileTools .

>

> But remeber, you may be playing with fire, and to do backups first.

>

> Cheers,

> O.J.

>

>

[Guest O.J. Newman]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

Hi Harry!

 

Thanks for the info. I'll look into Eusing - even though I am leery of reg

cleaners in general after what I've been reading.

 

Cheers,

O.J.

 

"webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Don't know if he includes 'Eusing Free Registry Cleaner', but you ought to

> try and find out about it, OJ. It has a restore feature and was mentioned

> quite a while back by an MVP. I think it may even be better and safer than

> CC. One may use it for one's personal pc for free and when the

> registration

> box comes up, just click on 'skip'.

> There you have it, that ought to cover 'the whole story'.

>

> Harry.

[Guest O.J. Newman]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

BTW, for those interested in the Eusing Free Registry Cleaner, see:

http://www.eusing.com/free_registry_cleaner/registry_cleaner.htm .

 

O.J.

 

"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message

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> Hi Harry!

>

> Thanks for the info. I'll look into Eusing - even though I am leery of reg

> cleaners in general after what I've been reading.

>

> Cheers,

> O.J.

>

> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:uCkjoBpRIHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Don't know if he includes 'Eusing Free Registry Cleaner', but you ought

>> to

>> try and find out about it, OJ. It has a restore feature and was mentioned

>> quite a while back by an MVP. I think it may even be better and safer

>> than

>> CC. One may use it for one's personal pc for free and when the

>> registration

>> box comes up, just click on 'skip'.

>> There you have it, that ought to cover 'the whole story'.

>>

>> Harry.

>

>

[Guest webster72n]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

 

"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message

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> Hi Harry!

>

> Thanks for the info. I'll look into Eusing - even though I am leery of reg

> cleaners in general after what I've been reading.

 

So far I haven't used any of the 'cleaners' for anything else but the scan,

to check for 'impurities'. Should a 'cleansing' ever be necessary for

whatever reason, I'd either get 'good advice' before, or take it to the

'tech'.

You feel the 'Christmas Spirit' in the air too? <H>.

>

> Cheers,

> O.J.

>

> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:uCkjoBpRIHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > Don't know if he includes 'Eusing Free Registry Cleaner', but you ought

to

> > try and find out about it, OJ. It has a restore feature and was

mentioned

> > quite a while back by an MVP. I think it may even be better and safer

than

> > CC. One may use it for one's personal pc for free and when the

> > registration

> > box comes up, just click on 'skip'.

> > There you have it, that ought to cover 'the whole story'.

> >

> > Harry.

>

>

[Guest Not Me]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

Any registry cleaner can be dangerous.

It's like a gun, do you want your 5 year old waving it around, loaded and

cocked with the safety off?

If you are NOT a power user/geek, that is what YOU are doing (to your

computer) with a reg cleaner.

If you have any doubt about using it, DON'T!!

 

--

A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!

CarGodZeroOne@hotmail.com

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"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message

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> Hello:

>

> As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more

> harm than good.

>

> There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group

> "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of "Which

> Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings

> in this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post

> referenced an interesting forum thread at:

> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 , which discussed the many problems

> that such utilities can cause.

>

> FYI.

>

> Cheers,

> O.J.

>

>

[Guest Bruce Nelson]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

I am not a geek. I have been using RegVac for 4 years with no problems. I

leave it set on "novice", and don't worry about it. I find it interesting

that the number of entries is usually pretty close to the number of items

some of my security software deletes or lists for deletion (running RegVac

after the security cleanup stuff). I don't remember whether I paid for it

or it was free.

 

Bruce Nelson

 

 

"O.J. Newman" <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote in message

news:OpN602dRIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Hello:

>

> As was discussed in a recent thread here, registry cleaners can do more

> harm than good.

>

> There are 2 recent articles on this topic in the Usenet group

> "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" , under the thread subjects of "Which

> Registry Cleaner" and "reg cleaners". Both reflected the recent postings

> in this newsgroup to avoid registry cleaners altogether. One post

> referenced an interesting forum thread at:

> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 , which discussed the many problems

> that such utilities can cause.

>

> FYI.

>

> Cheers,

> O.J.

>

>

[Guest Bruce Nelson]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

because things are true or false according to the aspect in which we

look at them. The will, which prefers one aspect to another, turns away the

mind from considering the qualities of all that it does not like to see; and

thus the mind, moving in accord with the will, stops to consider the aspect

which it likes and so judges by what it sees.

 

100. Self-love. The nature of self-love and of this human Ego is to love

self only and consider self only. But what will man do? He cannot prevent

this object that he loves from being full of faults and wants. He wants to

be great, and he sees himself small. He wants to be happy, and he sees

himself miserable. He wants to be perfect, and he sees himself full of

imperfections. He wants to be the object of love and esteem among men, and

he sees that his faults merit only their hatred and contempt. This

embarrassment in which he finds himself produces in him the most unrighteous

and criminal passion that can be imagined; for he conceives a mortal enmity

against that truth which reproves him and which convinces him of his faults.

He would annihilate it, but, unable to destroy it in its essence, he

destroys it as far as possible in his own knowledge and in that of others;

that is to say, he devotes all his attention to hiding his faults both from

others and from himself, and he cannot endure either that others should

point them out to him, or that they should see them.

 

Truly it is an evil to be full of faults; but it is a still greater evil to

be full of them and to be unwilling to recognise them, since that is to add

the further

[Guest Not Me]

Re: The Problems of Registry Cleaners

 

that love triumph over their enemies.

 

608. The carnal Jews hold a midway place between Christians and heathens.

The heathens know not God, and love the world only. The Jews know the true

God, and love the world only. The Christians know the true God, and love not

the world. Jews and heathens love the same good. Jews and Christians know

the same God.

 

The Jews were of two kinds; the first had only heathen affections, the other

had Christian affections.

 

609. There are two kinds of men in each religion: among the heathen,

worshippers of beasts and the worshippers of the one only God of natural

religion; among the Jews, the carnal, and the spiritual, who were the

Christians of the old law; among Christians, the coarser-minded, who are the

Jews of the new law. The carnal Jews looked for a carnal Messiah; the

coarser Christians believe that the Messiah has dispensed them from the love

of God; true Jews and true Christians worship a Messiah who makes them love

God.

 

610. To show that the true Jews and the true Christians have but the same

religion.--The re