novice terminal services questions

[Guest Gary M]

never had dealt with terminal services before, so would appreciate any help

and hints here.

 

I will be setting up a server for someone who has two remote sites in

addition to his home office.

I'm kind of jumping in at the end, he has been working with the company who

sold him his accounting package, and they recomended for cost savings to do

terminal services.

 

each remote site will have two PCs.

 

he has purchased windows 2003 server with 10 licenses.

 

he wants each remote PC (4 of them) to be able to connect to the server at

the home office, both for his non-microsoft accounting software, and for

accessing the server as a file server.

 

what all is needed in this setup?

even though he purchased licenses with the server, he still has to purchase

terminal services licenses, right?

 

we would still need VPN boxes of some kind at the remote sites, correct?

 

 

he wants them to have Word, Excel, and Outlook, are there special licenses

to purchase since they want to connect via terminal services, or just the

basic office license for each PC?

[Guest Hank Arnold (MVP)]

Re: novice terminal services questions

 

Gary M wrote:

> never had dealt with terminal services before, so would appreciate any help

> and hints here.

>

> I will be setting up a server for someone who has two remote sites in

> addition to his home office.

> I'm kind of jumping in at the end, he has been working with the company who

> sold him his accounting package, and they recomended for cost savings to do

> terminal services.

>

> each remote site will have two PCs.

>

> he has purchased windows 2003 server with 10 licenses.

>

> he wants each remote PC (4 of them) to be able to connect to the server at

> the home office, both for his non-microsoft accounting software, and for

> accessing the server as a file server.

>

> what all is needed in this setup?

> even though he purchased licenses with the server, he still has to purchase

> terminal services licenses, right?

>

> we would still need VPN boxes of some kind at the remote sites, correct?

>

>

> he wants them to have Word, Excel, and Outlook, are there special licenses

> to purchase since they want to connect via terminal services, or just the

> basic office license for each PC?

>

>

>

>

 

My first recommendation is that you convince this guy to hire a

consultant to put together the strategy and, possibly, help implement

it. It's not clear how many computers he has in the in office. You

didn't say what kind of CALs he bought... per device or per user. If you

have more users than computers, you need per device. If you have more

computers than users, you need per user.

 

A lot of information is needed about the network. Is this the only

server? If yes, you are walking on thin ice. trying to do all this with

a single server (DC, TS, Application server) is playing Russian Roulette

with all the chambers filled. It is highly *NOT* recommended.

 

You don't give any indication of the server configuration. What OS are

the remote PC's running? What is at each site (besides the 2 PC's)?

 

You'll almost certainly want a VPN for security.

 

You will need TS licenses. 1 for each computer (or user) that will

access the applications.

 

You will need a license for each user who will access Office. You should

get an Open License for it with as many licenses as needed...

 

--

 

Regards,

Hank Arnold

Microsoft MVP

Windows Server - Directory Services

[Guest Gary M]

Re: novice terminal services questions

 

he has 4 PCs in the main office, all running XP Pro.

 

the licenses he has purchased are per device, and he does have more users

than computers.

 

the PCs will all be XP Pro, and the server is windows 2003.

 

only other thing at the two remote sites will be printers.

 

is the main reason not to have all of this on one server an issue with

redundancy, that is the one server crashes you lose everything,

or is it performance related?

 

thanks for the reply.

 

gary

 

 

 

"Hank Arnold (MVP)" <rasilon@aol.com> wrote in message

news:OODrYKkRIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Gary M wrote:

>> never had dealt with terminal services before, so would appreciate any

>> help and hints here.

>>

>> I will be setting up a server for someone who has two remote sites in

>> addition to his home office.

>> I'm kind of jumping in at the end, he has been working with the company

>> who sold him his accounting package, and they recomended for cost savings

>> to do terminal services.

>>

>> each remote site will have two PCs.

>>

>> he has purchased windows 2003 server with 10 licenses.

>>

>> he wants each remote PC (4 of them) to be able to connect to the server

>> at the home office, both for his non-microsoft accounting software, and

>> for accessing the server as a file server.

>>

>> what all is needed in this setup?

>> even though he purchased licenses with the server, he still has to

>> purchase terminal services licenses, right?

>>

>> we would still need VPN boxes of some kind at the remote sites, correct?

>>

>>

>> he wants them to have Word, Excel, and Outlook, are there special

>> licenses to purchase since they want to connect via terminal services, or

>> just the basic office license for each PC?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

> My first recommendation is that you convince this guy to hire a consultant

> to put together the strategy and, possibly, help implement it. It's not

> clear how many computers he has in the in office. You didn't say what kind

> of CALs he bought... per device or per user. If you have more users than

> computers, you need per device. If you have more computers than users, you

> need per user.

>

> A lot of information is needed about the network. Is this the only server?

> If yes, you are walking on thin ice. trying to do all this with a single

> server (DC, TS, Application server) is playing Russian Roulette with all

> the chambers filled. It is highly *NOT* recommended.

>

> You don't give any indication of the server configuration. What OS are the

> remote PC's running? What is at each site (besides the 2 PC's)?

>

> You'll almost certainly want a VPN for security.

>

> You will need TS licenses. 1 for each computer (or user) that will access

> the applications.

>

> You will need a license for each user who will access Office. You should

> get an Open License for it with as many licenses as needed...

>

> --

>

> Regards,

> Hank Arnold

> Microsoft MVP

> Windows Server - Directory Services

[Guest Hank Arnold (MVP)]

Re: novice terminal services questions

 

 

Both issues. You have a lot going on. The server had better be a robust

one with dual power supplies, RAID and dual NICs... Add in the security

issue (you will have users logging into a domain controller). That is

usually a *bad* thing... You're also making your server available to the

internet.

 

What makes it especially a concern is the fact that your server is

going to be a DC. If that goes, your entire domain goes with it. You

will need to make sure you have a bullet proof disaster recovery

process defined (and tested).

 

One would rather see 3 servers, a DC (with all the FSMOs, a second DC (a

GC with DNS and DHCP) and the TS server. Unfortunately, often this means

expenses that a small outfit can't afford.

 

You will need 8 per device TSCALs.

 

I reiterate... Get a good consultant to work out the setup and

configuration before you get too far down the line. It will be the best

money you could spend....

 

--

 

Regards,

Hank Arnold

Microsoft MVP

Windows Server - Directory Services

 

Gary M wrote:

> he has 4 PCs in the main office, all running XP Pro.

>

> the licenses he has purchased are per device, and he does have more users

> than computers.

>

> the PCs will all be XP Pro, and the server is windows 2003.

>

> only other thing at the two remote sites will be printers.

>

> is the main reason not to have all of this on one server an issue with

> redundancy, that is the one server crashes you lose everything,

> or is it performance related?

>

> thanks for the reply.

>

> gary

>

>

>

> "Hank Arnold (MVP)" <rasilon@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:OODrYKkRIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Gary M wrote:

>>> never had dealt with terminal services before, so would appreciate any

>>> help and hints here.

>>>

>>> I will be setting up a server for someone who has two remote sites in

>>> addition to his home office.

>>> I'm kind of jumping in at the end, he has been working with the company

>>> who sold him his accounting package, and they recomended for cost savings

>>> to do terminal services.

>>>

>>> each remote site will have two PCs.

>>>

>>> he has purchased windows 2003 server with 10 licenses.

>>>

>>> he wants each remote PC (4 of them) to be able to connect to the server

>>> at the home office, both for his non-microsoft accounting software, and

>>> for accessing the server as a file server.

>>>

>>> what all is needed in this setup?

>>> even though he purchased licenses with the server, he still has to

>>> purchase terminal services licenses, right?

>>>

>>> we would still need VPN boxes of some kind at the remote sites, correct?

>>>

>>>

>>> he wants them to have Word, Excel, and Outlook, are there special

>>> licenses to purchase since they want to connect via terminal services, or

>>> just the basic office license for each PC?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>> My first recommendation is that you convince this guy to hire a consultant

>> to put together the strategy and, possibly, help implement it. It's not

>> clear how many computers he has in the in office. You didn't say what kind

>> of CALs he bought... per device or per user. If you have more users than

>> computers, you need per device. If you have more computers than users, you

>> need per user.

>>

>> A lot of information is needed about the network. Is this the only server?

>> If yes, you are walking on thin ice. trying to do all this with a single

>> server (DC, TS, Application server) is playing Russian Roulette with all

>> the chambers filled. It is highly *NOT* recommended.

>>

>> You don't give any indication of the server configuration. What OS are the

>> remote PC's running? What is at each site (besides the 2 PC's)?

>>

>> You'll almost certainly want a VPN for security.

>>

>> You will need TS licenses. 1 for each computer (or user) that will access

>> the applications.

>>

>> You will need a license for each user who will access Office. You should

>> get an Open License for it with as many licenses as needed...

>>

>> --

>>

>> Regards,

>> Hank Arnold

>> Microsoft MVP

>> Windows Server - Directory Services

>

>

[Guest davidtheweb]

Re: novice terminal services questions

 

Perhaps the intermediate goal for an entity of this size would be to get a

2nd DC in service. Then you still have the security to address, but the

redundancy of the domain isn't as much of a worry.

 

"Hank Arnold (MVP)" wrote:

>

> Both issues. You have a lot going on. The server had better be a robust

> one with dual power supplies, RAID and dual NICs... Add in the security

> issue (you will have users logging into a domain controller). That is

> usually a *bad* thing... You're also making your server available to the

> internet.

>

> What makes it especially a concern is the fact that your server is

> going to be a DC. If that goes, your entire domain goes with it. You

> will need to make sure you have a bullet proof disaster recovery

> process defined (and tested).

>

> One would rather see 3 servers, a DC (with all the FSMOs, a second DC (a

> GC with DNS and DHCP) and the TS server. Unfortunately, often this means

> expenses that a small outfit can't afford.

>

> You will need 8 per device TSCALs.

>

> I reiterate... Get a good consultant to work out the setup and

> configuration before you get too far down the line. It will be the best

> money you could spend....

>

> --

>

> Regards,

> Hank Arnold

> Microsoft MVP

> Windows Server - Directory Services

>

> Gary M wrote:

> > he has 4 PCs in the main office, all running XP Pro.

> >

> > the licenses he has purchased are per device, and he does have more users

> > than computers.

> >

> > the PCs will all be XP Pro, and the server is windows 2003.

> >

> > only other thing at the two remote sites will be printers.

> >

> > is the main reason not to have all of this on one server an issue with

> > redundancy, that is the one server crashes you lose everything,

> > or is it performance related?

> >

> > thanks for the reply.

> >

> > gary

> >

> >

> >

> > "Hank Arnold (MVP)" <rasilon@aol.com> wrote in message

> > news:OODrYKkRIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >> Gary M wrote:

> >>> never had dealt with terminal services before, so would appreciate any

> >>> help and hints here.

> >>>

> >>> I will be setting up a server for someone who has two remote sites in

> >>> addition to his home office.

> >>> I'm kind of jumping in at the end, he has been working with the company

> >>> who sold him his accounting package, and they recomended for cost savings

> >>> to do terminal services.

> >>>

> >>> each remote site will have two PCs.

> >>>

> >>> he has purchased windows 2003 server with 10 licenses.

> >>>

> >>> he wants each remote PC (4 of them) to be able to connect to the server

> >>> at the home office, both for his non-microsoft accounting software, and

> >>> for accessing the server as a file server.

> >>>

> >>> what all is needed in this setup?

> >>> even though he purchased licenses with the server, he still has to

> >>> purchase terminal services licenses, right?

> >>>

> >>> we would still need VPN boxes of some kind at the remote sites, correct?

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> he wants them to have Word, Excel, and Outlook, are there special

> >>> licenses to purchase since they want to connect via terminal services, or

> >>> just the basic office license for each PC?

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >> My first recommendation is that you convince this guy to hire a consultant

> >> to put together the strategy and, possibly, help implement it. It's not

> >> clear how many computers he has in the in office. You didn't say what kind

> >> of CALs he bought... per device or per user. If you have more users than

> >> computers, you need per device. If you have more computers than users, you

> >> need per user.

> >>

> >> A lot of information is needed about the network. Is this the only server?

> >> If yes, you are walking on thin ice. trying to do all this with a single

> >> server (DC, TS, Application server) is playing Russian Roulette with all

> >> the chambers filled. It is highly *NOT* recommended.

> >>

> >> You don't give any indication of the server configuration. What OS are the

> >> remote PC's running? What is at each site (besides the 2 PC's)?

> >>

> >> You'll almost certainly want a VPN for security.

> >>

> >> You will need TS licenses. 1 for each computer (or user) that will access

> >> the applications.

> >>

> >> You will need a license for each user who will access Office. You should

> >> get an Open License for it with as many licenses as needed...

> >>

> >> --

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> Hank Arnold

> >> Microsoft MVP

> >> Windows Server - Directory Services

> >

> >

>