Service startup order

[Guest Jon Espen Carlsen]

I've got a bit of a headache. Im trying to control the startup order of a few

services, but I cant get to actually work. Platform, Windows 2003 SP2 R2

 

I started with using the "dependency" method, but adding the

"DependOnService" for the services in question.

The service "lanmanserver" (shares) depends on a SAN-disk and it's service,

"Z-SANService".

So I added the key:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanserver]

"DependOnService"=hex(7):5a,00,2d,00,53,00,41,00,4e,00,53,00,65,00,72,00,76,00,\

69,00,63,00,65,00,00,00,4e,00,6c,00,61,00,00,00,00,00

 

No joy - the shares are not created in timely manner enough after the

volumes are available.

I tested with 3 other services that depends on the availability of shares -

I set them to be depended on "lanmanserver".

 

Looking at the services in the service-console shows the dependency correctly.

 

Rebooting the server - still no joy. The services that are told to depend on

lanmanserver starts up too soon, according to the even-log. "Failed to start

service, path not found". (Yes, they are stored on the SAN disk - the whole

solution is stored there.

 

So I researched some more. It seems you can change the "ServiceGroupOrder"

too in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\ServiceGroupOrder

I tried to find if lanmanserver was part of a group, obviously it was not.

So I added all of them there, just to see if it worked.

At the end I appended:

Z-SANService

lanmanserver

MEngine

MTask

MTrigger

 

Still no joy - the MEngine (stored on the SAN disk) is still not found.

 

Any ideas? Do I have a bug here? Or are there other things I can try?

[Guest Jon Espen Carlsen]

RE: Service startup order

 

I forgot to add that I do have the "Always wait for the network at computer

startup and logon" policy enabled for the whole domain in general (there's a

few services depending on this).

Maybe it's interfering with what Im trying to do?

[Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)]

Re: Service startup order

 

 

"Jon Espen Carlsen" <Jon Espen Carlsen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message news:71E52E68-D289-4B73-9F76-C4C1CA584EFF@microsoft.com...

> I've got a bit of a headache. Im trying to control the startup order of a

> few

> services, but I cant get to actually work. Platform, Windows 2003 SP2 R2

>

> I started with using the "dependency" method, but adding the

> "DependOnService" for the services in question.

> The service "lanmanserver" (shares) depends on a SAN-disk and it's

> service,

> "Z-SANService".

> So I added the key:

> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanserver]

> "DependOnService"=hex(7):5a,00,2d,00,53,00,41,00,4e,00,53,00,65,00,72,00,76,00,\

> 69,00,63,00,65,00,00,00,4e,00,6c,00,61,00,00,00,00,00

>

> No joy - the shares are not created in timely manner enough after the

> volumes are available.

> I tested with 3 other services that depends on the availability of

> shares -

> I set them to be depended on "lanmanserver".

>

> Looking at the services in the service-console shows the dependency

> correctly.

>

> Rebooting the server - still no joy. The services that are told to depend

> on

> lanmanserver starts up too soon, according to the even-log. "Failed to

> start

> service, path not found". (Yes, they are stored on the SAN disk - the

> whole

> solution is stored there.

>

> So I researched some more. It seems you can change the "ServiceGroupOrder"

> too in

> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\ServiceGroupOrder

> I tried to find if lanmanserver was part of a group, obviously it was not.

> So I added all of them there, just to see if it worked.

> At the end I appended:

> Z-SANService

> lanmanserver

> MEngine

> MTask

> MTrigger

>

> Still no joy - the MEngine (stored on the SAN disk) is still not found.

>

> Any ideas? Do I have a bug here? Or are there other things I can try?

>

>

 

Put all services on "Manual start", then use the Task Scheduler

to launch a batch file at boot time. Inside this batch file you

place a number of statements like so:

 

net start Z-SANService

net start lanmanserver

ping localhost -n 30 > nul

net start MEngine

net start MTask

net start MTrigger

 

This will give you full control over the order in which services

are launched. It will also let you add delays if desired.

[Guest Jon Espen Carlsen]

Re: Service startup order

 

"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:

>

> Put all services on "Manual start", then use the Task Scheduler

> to launch a batch file at boot time. Inside this batch file you

> place a number of statements like so:

>

> net start Z-SANService

> net start lanmanserver

> ping localhost -n 30 > nul

> net start MEngine

> net start MTask

> net start MTrigger

>

> This will give you full control over the order in which services

> are launched. It will also let you add delays if desired.

>

>

 

Good workaround - will do the job. Sometimes one can become blind because of

so many different tests. ;)

Just curious tough - do you think we're dealing with a "bug" or was I trying

to push the intended mechanisms a bit too far?

[Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)]

Re: Service startup order

 

 

"Jon Espen Carlsen" <JonEspenCarlsen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message news:9267129F-0D8B-4EB5-84ED-E460CABC00D8@microsoft.com...

> "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:

>>

>> Put all services on "Manual start", then use the Task Scheduler

>> to launch a batch file at boot time. Inside this batch file you

>> place a number of statements like so:

>>

>> net start Z-SANService

>> net start lanmanserver

>> ping localhost -n 30 > nul

>> net start MEngine

>> net start MTask

>> net start MTrigger

>>

>> This will give you full control over the order in which services

>> are launched. It will also let you add delays if desired.

>>

>>

>

> Good workaround - will do the job. Sometimes one can become blind because

> of

> so many different tests. ;)

> Just curious tough - do you think we're dealing with a "bug" or was I

> trying

> to push the intended mechanisms a bit too far?

>

 

I never call something a but until I have performed many tests

and acquired a good understanding of how it's supposed to

work. Since neither is the case with the startup order of

services, I cannot offer an opinion.

[Guest Jon Espen Carlsen]

Re: Service startup order

 

Thank you very much for your assistance and input. ;)

 

- Jon