M-I,5-Per secution - MI 5 are Afra id to Admi t They re B ehind t he Per secution

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MI5 are. Afraid to Admit They're Behind the Persecution

 

MI5 have issued a formal denial of. any involvement in my life to the

Security Service Tribunal, as you might expect them to; but,. more

importantly, the persecutors have never denied that theyre. from the

Security Service, despite several years of. accusations from my corner on

usenet and in. faxed articles. I am not surprised that the Security Service

Tribunal found "no determination in your favour". I. am however a little

surprised that the persecutors have refused to. confirm my identification

of them; by doing so, they implicitly admit that my. guess was right.

 

"No determination in your favour" says. the Security Service Tribunal

 

In 1997, I made. a complaint to the Security Service Tribunal, giving only

the bare outlines of my case. I. do not think it would have made very much

difference if Id. made a much more detailed complaint, since the Tribunal

has no ability. to perform investigatory functions. It can only ask MI5 if

they have an interest in a subject, to which MI5 are. of course free to be

"economical with the truth". A couple of. months after my complaint the

Tribunal replied. that;

 

The Security Service. Tribunal have now investigated your complaint and

have asked me to inform you that no. determination in your favour has been

made on. your complaint.

 

Needless to say this reply didnt surprise me in. the slightest. It is a

well. established fact that the secret service are a den of liars and the

Tribunal a toothless watchdog,. so to see them conforming to these

stereotypes might be. disappointing but unsurprising.

 

It is. noteworthy that the Tribunal never gives the plaintiff information

on whether the. "no determination in your favour" is because MI5 claims to

have no interest in him, or whether. they claim their interest is

"justified". In the 1997 report of the Security Service. Commissioner he

writes that. "The ambiguity of the terms in which the notification of the

Tribunals decision is expressed is intentional", since a. less ambiguous

answer. would indicate to the plaintiff whether he were indeed under MI5

surveillance. But I note that. the ambiguity also allows MI5 to get away

with lying to the question of their interest in me;. they can claim to the

Tribunal that they have no interest, but at a future. date, when it becomes

clear that. they did indeed place me under surveillance and harassment,

they can claim their interest was "justified". - and the Tribunal will

presumably not. admit that in their previous reply MI5 claimed to have no

interest.

 

"He doesnt know who. we are"

 

In early January 1996 I flew on a British Airways jet. from London to

Montreal; also present on the plane, about three or. four rows behind me,

were two young men, one of them fat and voluble,. the other silent. It was

quite clear that these two had been planted. on the aircraft to "wind me

up". The fat youth described the town in Poland where I had. spent

Christmas, and made some unpleasant personal slurs against me.. Most

interestingly, he said the words, "he. doesnt know who we are".

 

Now I find this particular form. of words very interesting, because while

it is not a. clear admission, it is only a half-hearted attempt at denial

of my guess that "they" = "MI5". Had my. guess been wrong, the fat youth

would surely have said so more clearly. What he was trying to. do was to

half-deny something he knew to be true, and he was limited. to making

statements which he knew to be not. false; so he made a lukewarm denial

which on the face of it means nothing, but in fact. acts as a confirmation

of my guess of. who "they" are.

 

On one of the other occasions when I saw the persecutors in person,. on the

BA flight to Toronto in June 1993, one of the group of. four men said, "if

he tries to run away well find him". But. the other three stayed totally

quiet and avoided eye contact. They. did so to avoid being apprehended and

identified - since if they were identified, their employers. would have

been revealed, and it would become known that it was the secret. services

who. were behind the persecution.

 

Why are MI5 So Afraid to. admit their involvement?

 

If you think about it, what has been going on. in Britain for the last nine

years is simply beyond belief. The. British declare themselves to be

"decent" by definition,. so when they engage in indecent activities such as

the persecution. of a mentally ill person, their decency "because were

British" is still in the forefront. of their minds, and a process of mental

doublethink kicks in, where their antisocial and indecent activities. are

blamed on the victim "because its his. fault were persecuting him", and

their self-regard and self-image of decency. remains untarnished. As

remarked in another article some time ago, this. process is basically the

same as a large number of Germans employed. fifty years ago against Slavic

"untermenschen". and the Jewish "threat" - the Germans declared, "Germans

are known. to be decent and the minorities are at fault for what we do to

them" - so they were able to retain the view of. themselves as being

"decent".

 

Now suppose this entire episode had happened in. some other country. The

British have a poor view of. the French, so lets say it had all happened in

France. Suppose there was. a Frenchman, of non-French extraction, who was

targeted. by the French internal security apparatus, for the dubious

amusement of French television newscasters, and tortured for. 9 years with

various. sexual and other verbal abuse and taunts of "suicide". Suppose

this all came out into the open. Naturally, the French authorities. would

try hard to place the blame on. their victim - and in their own country,

through. the same state-controlled media which the authorities employ as

instruments of torture, their view. might prevail - but what on earth would

people overseas make of. their actions? Where would their "decency" be

then?

 

This is why MI5 are so. afraid to admit theyre behind the

persecution. Because. if they did admit responsibility, then they would be

admitting that there was an. action against me - and if the truth came out,

then the walls would come tumbling down. And if the. persecutors were to

admit they were. from MI5, then you can be sure I would report the

fact; and the persecutors support would fall away, among the mass media. as

well as among the general. public. When I started identifying MI5 as the

persecutors in 1995 and 1996 there was a. sharp reduction in media

harassment, since people read my internet newsgroup posts and knew. I was

telling the truth. The persecutors cannot. deny my claim that theyre MI5,

because then I would report their denial and they. would be seen as liars -

but they cannot. admit it either, as that would puncture their campaign

against me. So they are forced to maintain a ridiculous silence. on the

issue of their identity, in the face of vociferous accusations on. internet

newsgroups and faxed. articles.

 

Have MI5. lied to the Home Secretary?

 

In order for the Security Services to bug my. home, they would either have

needed a warrant from. the Home Secretary, or they might have instituted

the. bugging without a warrant. Personally I think it is more likely that

they. didnt apply for a warrant - I cannot see any Home Secretary giving

MI5. authority to bug a residence to allow television newscasters to

satisfy their rather voyeuristic needs vis-a-vis one of. their

audience. But. it is possible that the Security Service presented a warrant

in some. form before a home secretary at some point in the last nine years,

for telephone tapping or surveillance of my residence, or. interception of

postal. service.

 

So the possibility presents. itself that a Home Secretary might have signed

a warrant presented to him based. on MI5 lies. Just as MI5 lie to the

Security Service Tribunal, so they might. have lied to a Home Secretray

himself. MI5 and MI6. are naturally secretive services former home

secretary Roy Jenkins said, they. have a "secretive atmosphere

.... secretive vis-a-vis the. government as well as [enemies]". Jenkins

also said he "did. not form a very high regard for how they discharged

their. duties".

 

It was only a few years ago that MI5 was brought into any. sot the

extraordinary thing is that British media organisations like the. state-

and taxpayer-funded BBC take such an active. part in the MI5-inspired

campaign of harassment. We have after all heard. of MI5 trying to bribe

broadcast journalists; but surely there must be a substantial. number who

are not bought or blackmailed by the Security Services, and. who take part

in the "abuse by newscasters" of their own volition? The BBC. is supposed

to be independent of the government of the day as well as. the

Establishment in. general. While perhaps it is childish to think that the

BBC is. anything other than effectively state-controlled, the degree of

collusion between the BBC and the British Secret Police. MI5 is something

you would not find in many. countries. Individual tele-journalists in other

countries would have. enough self-esteem not to allow themselves to be

controlled by. their secret police - seemingly, BBC broadcasters like

Martyn Lewis and Nicholas Witchell have such a low opinion of. their

employing organisation that they see no wrong in dragging the. BBCs

no-longer-good name through yet more mud, at the mere. request (whether

supported by financial or. other inducements) of the British secret Police,

MI5.

 

And when challenged, these broadcasters. LIE about their involvement, with

just as little shame as MI5. themselves. The BBCs Information dept have

said. that;

 

"I can assure you that the BBC would never. engage in any form of

surveillance activity such. as you describe"

 

which is an out-and-out lie. Buerk and Lewis have themselves lied to. their

colleagues. in the BBCs Information department over the "newscaster

watching", but unsurprisingly they refuse to put these denials. in

writing. Doubtless if the "newscaster watching" ever. comes to light, Buerk

and Lewis will then continue to lie. by lying about these denials. So much

for the "impartial" BBC, a nest. of liars bought and paid for by the

Security. Services!

 

It is obvious. that the persecution is at the instigation of MI5 themselves

- they have read my post, and only they have the surveillance. technology

and media/political access.. Yet they have lied outright to the Security

Service Tribunal.. Similarly, BBC newscasters Michael Buerk and Martyn

Lewis have lied to members of their. own organisation. The continuing

harassment indicates. they are all petrified of this business coming out

into the open. I will. continue to do everything possible to ensure that

their wrongdoing is. exposed.

 

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>

> MI5 are. Afraid to Admit They're Behind the Persecution

>

> MI5 have issued a formal denial of. any involvement in my life to the

> Security Service Tribunal, as you might expect them to; but,. more

> importantly, the persecutors have never denied that theyre. from the

> Security Service, despite several years of. accusations from my corner on

> usenet and in. faxed articles. I am not surprised that the Security

> Service

> Tribunal found "no determination in your favour". I. am however a little

> surprised that the persecutors have refused to. confirm my identification

> of them; by doing so, they implicitly admit that my. guess was right.

>

> "No determination in your favour" says. the Security Service Tribunal

>

> In 1997, I made. a complaint to the Security Service Tribunal, giving only

> the bare outlines of my case. I. do not think it would have made very much

> difference if Id. made a much more detailed complaint, since the Tribunal

> has no ability. to perform investigatory functions. It can only ask MI5 if

> they have an interest in a subject, to which MI5 are. of course free to be

> "economical with the truth". A couple of. months after my complaint the

> Tribunal replied. that;

>

> The Security Service. Tribunal have now investigated your complaint and

> have asked me to inform you that no. determination in your favour has been

> made on. your complaint.

>

> Needless to say this reply didnt surprise me in. the slightest. It is a

> well. established fact that the secret service are a den of liars and the

> Tribunal a toothless watchdog,. so to see them conforming to these

> stereotypes might be. disappointing but unsurprising.

>

> It is. noteworthy that the Tribunal never gives the plaintiff information

> on whether the. "no determination in your favour" is because MI5 claims to

> have no interest in him, or whether. they claim their interest is

> "justified". In the 1997 report of the Security Service. Commissioner he

> writes that. "The ambiguity of the terms in which the notification of the

> Tribunals decision is expressed is intentional", since a. less ambiguous

> answer. would indicate to the plaintiff whether he were indeed under MI5

> surveillance. But I note that. the ambiguity also allows MI5 to get away

> with lying to the question of their interest in me;. they can claim to the

> Tribunal that they have no interest, but at a future. date, when it

> becomes

> clear that. they did indeed place me under surveillance and harassment,

> they can claim their interest was "justified". - and the Tribunal will

> presumably not. admit that in their previous reply MI5 claimed to have no

> interest.

>

> "He doesnt know who. we are"

>

> In early January 1996 I flew on a British Airways jet. from London to

> Montreal; also present on the plane, about three or. four rows behind me,

> were two young men, one of them fat and voluble,. the other silent. It was

> quite clear that these two had been planted. on the aircraft to "wind me

> up". The fat youth described the town in Poland where I had. spent

> Christmas, and made some unpleasant personal slurs against me.. Most

> interestingly, he said the words, "he. doesnt know who we are".

>

> Now I find this particular form. of words very interesting, because while

> it is not a. clear admission, it is only a half-hearted attempt at denial

> of my guess that "they" = "MI5". Had my. guess been wrong, the fat youth

> would surely have said so more clearly. What he was trying to. do was to

> half-deny something he knew to be true, and he was limited. to making

> statements which he knew to be not. false; so he made a lukewarm denial

> which on the face of it means nothing, but in fact. acts as a confirmation

> of my guess of. who "they" are.

>

> On one of the other occasions when I saw the persecutors in person,. on

> the

> BA flight to Toronto in June 1993, one of the group of. four men said, "if

> he tries to run away well find him". But. the other three stayed totally

> quiet and avoided eye contact. They. did so to avoid being apprehended and

> identified - since if they were identified, their employers. would have

> been revealed, and it would become known that it was the secret. services

> who. were behind the persecution.

>

> Why are MI5 So Afraid to. admit their involvement?

>

> If you think about it, what has been going on. in Britain for the last

> nine

> years is simply beyond belief. The. British declare themselves to be

> "decent" by definition,. so when they engage in indecent activities such

> as

> the persecution. of a mentally ill person, their decency "because were

> British" is still in the forefront. of their minds, and a process of

> mental

> doublethink kicks in, where their antisocial and indecent activities. are

> blamed on the victim "because its his. fault were persecuting him", and

> their self-regard and self-image of decency. remains untarnished. As

> remarked in another article some time ago, this. process is basically the

> same as a large number of Germans employed. fifty years ago against Slavic

> "untermenschen". and the Jewish "threat" - the Germans declared, "Germans

> are known. to be decent and the minorities are at fault for what we do to

> them" - so they were able to retain the view of. themselves as being

> "decent".

>

> Now suppose this entire episode had happened in. some other country. The

> British have a poor view of. the French, so lets say it had all happened

> in

> France. Suppose there was. a Frenchman, of non-French extraction, who was

> targeted. by the French internal security apparatus, for the dubious

> amusement of French television newscasters, and tortured for. 9 years with

> various. sexual and other verbal abuse and taunts of "suicide". Suppose

> this all came out into the open. Naturally, the French authorities. would

> try hard to place the blame on. their victim - and in their own country,

> through. the same state-controlled media which the authorities employ as

> instruments of torture, their view. might prevail - but what on earth

> would

> people overseas make of. their actions? Where would their "decency" be

> then?

>

> This is why MI5 are so. afraid to admit theyre behind the

> persecution. Because. if they did admit responsibility, then they would be

> admitting that there was an. action against me - and if the truth came

> out,

> then the walls would come tumbling down. And if the. persecutors were to

> admit they were. from MI5, then you can be sure I would report the

> fact; and the persecutors support would fall away, among the mass media.

> as

> well as among the general. public. When I started identifying MI5 as the

> persecutors in 1995 and 1996 there was a. sharp reduction in media

> harassment, since people read my internet newsgroup posts and knew. I was

> telling the truth. The persecutors cannot. deny my claim that theyre MI5,

> because then I would report their denial and they. would be seen as

> liars -

> but they cannot. admit it either, as that would puncture their campaign

> against me. So they are forced to maintain a ridiculous silence. on the

> issue of their identity, in the face of vociferous accusations on.

> internet

> newsgroups and faxed. articles.

>

> Have MI5. lied to the Home Secretary?

>

> In order for the Security Services to bug my. home, they would either have

> needed a warrant from. the Home Secretary, or they might have instituted

> the. bugging without a warrant. Personally I think it is more likely that

> they. didnt apply for a warrant - I cannot see any Home Secretary giving

> MI5. authority to bug a residence to allow television newscasters to

> satisfy their rather voyeuristic needs vis-a-vis one of. their

> audience. But. it is possible that the Security Service presented a

> warrant

> in some. form before a home secretary at some point in the last nine

> years,

> for telephone tapping or surveillance of my residence, or. interception of

> postal. service.

>

> So the possibility presents. itself that a Home Secretary might have

> signed

> a warrant presented to him based. on MI5 lies. Just as MI5 lie to the

> Security Service Tribunal, so they might. have lied to a Home Secretray

> himself. MI5 and MI6. are naturally secretive services former home

> secretary Roy Jenkins said, they. have a "secretive atmosphere

> ... secretive vis-a-vis the. government as well as [enemies]". Jenkins

> also said he "did. not form a very high regard for how they discharged

> their. duties".

>

> It was only a few years ago that MI5 was brought into any. sot the

> extraordinary thing is that British media organisations like the. state-

> and taxpayer-funded BBC take such an active. part in the MI5-inspired

> campaign of harassment. We have after all heard. of MI5 trying to bribe

> broadcast journalists; but surely there must be a substantial. number who

> are not bought or blackmailed by the Security Services, and. who take part

> in the "abuse by newscasters" of their own volition? The BBC. is supposed

> to be independent of the government of the day as well as. the

> Establishment in. general. While perhaps it is childish to think that the

> BBC is. anything other than effectively state-controlled, the degree of

> collusion between the BBC and the British Secret Police. MI5 is something

> you would not find in many. countries. Individual tele-journalists in

> other

> countries would have. enough self-esteem not to allow themselves to be

> controlled by. their secret police - seemingly, BBC broadcasters like

> Martyn Lewis and Nicholas Witchell have such a low opinion of. their

> employing organisation that they see no wrong in dragging the. BBCs

> no-longer-good name through yet more mud, at the mere. request (whether

> supported by financial or. other inducements) of the British secret

> Police,

> MI5.

>

> And when challenged, these broadcasters. LIE about their involvement, with

> just as little shame as MI5. themselves. The BBCs Information dept have

> said. that;

>

> "I can assure you that the BBC would never. engage in any form of

> surveillance activity such. as you describe"

>

> which is an out-and-out lie. Buerk and Lewis have themselves lied to.

> their

> colleagues. in the BBCs Information department over the "newscaster

> watching", but unsurprisingly they refuse to put these denials. in

> writing. Doubtless if the "newscaster watching" ever. comes to light,

> Buerk

> and Lewis will then continue to lie. by lying about these denials. So much

> for the "impartial" BBC, a nest. of liars bought and paid for by the

> Security. Services!

>

> It is obvious. that the persecution is at the instigation of MI5

> themselves

> - they have read my post, and only they have the surveillance. technology

> and media/political access.. Yet they have lied outright to the Security

> Service Tribunal.. Similarly, BBC newscasters Michael Buerk and Martyn

> Lewis have lied to members of their. own organisation. The continuing

> harassment indicates. they are all petrified of this business coming out

> into the open. I will. continue to do everything possible to ensure that

> their wrongdoing is. exposed.

>

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>

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