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I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98, 98SE &

ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are

Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get

the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point me in the

right direction?

 

Thanks,

Brian

--

Brian Millikan

Computer/Software Engineer

Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver

Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces

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You can still download patches and updates for Win 98/98SE and Win Me from

the Windows Update site

(http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp) or if you wish to

download and burn copies to a CD for later use rather than install use the

Windows Update Catalogue

(http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp) although

the latter must be accessed from a PC running a Win 9x operating system -

later operating systems are now redirected to the v7 Catalogue site that

has no Win 9x content.

--

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mike.maltby@gmail.com

 

 

BMillikan <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98,

> 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old

> and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I

> need to be able to get the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow.

> Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Guest thanatoid

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=?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=

<BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:

> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows

> 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs

> for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95

> only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get the

> patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point

> me in the right direction?

>

> Thanks,

> Brian

 

You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use some

CD's.

 

You only need them if you will be connecting to the Internet and

using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.

 

Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from

http://www.oldversion.com

 

Now, don't get all ruffled up, but WHY in the world is a

 

"Computer/Software Engineer, Microsoft Control Applications

(Dialog-Based) Specialist etc."

 

asking this basic-as-can-get question?

 

 

--

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but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

 

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

 

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.

02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.

03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a

gun.

04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.

05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3

hour orgy.

06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions

breakfast.

07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

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"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message

news:Xns9A18DA48E5349thanexit@66.250.146.158...

> =?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=

> <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:

>

>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows

>> 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs

>> for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95

>> only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get the

>> patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point

>> me in the right direction?

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Brian

>

> You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use some

> CD's.

>

> You only need them if you will be connecting to the Internet and

> using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.

>

> Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from

> http://www.oldversion.com

>

> Now, don't get all ruffled up, but WHY in the world is a

>

> "Computer/Software Engineer, Microsoft Control Applications

> (Dialog-Based) Specialist etc."

>

> asking this basic-as-can-get question?

>

>

 

 

That's quite true...

 

but if you do want the updates for win98/ME...if the machine has IE6

installed

you can still gte them.

 

It's simply that MS is no longer writing new updates

Guest N. Miller

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On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

> Use Opera 7.23...

 

Why? Opera 9.25 runs under Windows ME.

 

--

Norman

~Shine, bright morning light,

~now in the air the spring is coming.

~Sweet, blowing wind,

~singing down the hills and valleys.

Guest thanatoid

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"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in

news:uukj25TTIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>

> "thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message

> news:Xns9A18DA48E5349thanexit@66.250.146.158...

>> =?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=

>> <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:

>>

>>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for

>>> Windows 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of

>>> learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1

>>> or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able

>>> to get the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can

>>> anyone point me in the right direction?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Brian

>>

>> You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to

>> use some CD's.

>>

>> You only need them if you will be connecting to the

>> Internet and using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.

>>

>> Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from

>> http://www.oldversion.com

>>

>> Now, don't get all ruffled up, but WHY in the world is a

>>

>> "Computer/Software Engineer, Microsoft Control

>> Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist etc."

>>

>> asking this basic-as-can-get question?

 

> That's quite true...

>

> but if you do want the updates for win98/ME...if the

> machine has IE6 installed

> you can still gte them.

>

> It's simply that MS is no longer writing new updates

 

The BEST place to get them with ANY browser - as the web was

intended to work in the first pace - is:

 

http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

 

You can then examine them without going through the pages and

pages of MS explanations and decide if you REALLY need any of

them.

 

 

--

Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,

but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

 

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

 

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.

02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.

03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a

gun.

04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.

05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3

hour orgy.

06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions

breakfast.

07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

Guest thanatoid

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"N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in

news:gkltigc8okpe.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

> On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

>

>> Use Opera 7.23...

>

> Why? Opera 9.25 runs under Windows ME.

 

It may "run" but it won't run as fast and will crash more on

98SE.

 

 

 

--

Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,

but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

 

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

 

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.

02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.

03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a

gun.

04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.

05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3

hour orgy.

06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions

breakfast.

07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

Guest BMillikan

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Well, my future plan is to connec that compute to my domain and give it

limited access to the internet. But, there are no such plans right now.

Despite all the bad stuff out there on the i-net, there are some good sites

for preschoolers (especially playhouse Disney's web site).

 

Why am I asking? Because I'd like a fully patched/updated/upgraded

Win95/Win98/Win98SE/WinMe collections of CDs for the future because I also

have an (almost) 1-year-old that will be using the same software and it is

only for Windows 3.1 or Window 95 (some of them). The "emulation mode" in XP

and Vista have only been successful in some applications. But, not for games

like that. So, I have to revert back to Win98 (at this point).

--

Brian Millikan

Computer/Software Engineer

Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver

Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces

 

 

 

"thanatoid" wrote:

> =?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=

> <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:

>

> > I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows

> > 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs

> > for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95

> > only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get the

> > patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point

> > me in the right direction?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Brian

>

> You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use some

> CD's.

>

> You only need them if you will be connecting to the Internet and

> using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.

>

> Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from

> http://www.oldversion.com

>

> Now, don't get all ruffled up, but WHY in the world is a

>

> "Computer/Software Engineer, Microsoft Control Applications

> (Dialog-Based) Specialist etc."

>

> asking this basic-as-can-get question?

>

>

> --

> Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,

> but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

>

> thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

>

> 01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.

> 02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.

> 03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a

> gun.

> 04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.

> 05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3

> hour orgy.

> 06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions

> breakfast.

> 07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

>

Guest thanatoid

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=?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=

<BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

news:0D41BB7A-273A-48D4-8DF9-8BBD314B782C@microsoft.com:

> Well, my future plan is to connec that compute to my domain

> and give it limited access to the internet. But, there are

> no such plans right now. Despite all the bad stuff out

> there on the i-net, there are some good sites for

> preschoolers (especially playhouse Disney's web site).

>

> Why am I asking? Because I'd like a fully

> patched/updated/upgraded Win95/Win98/Win98SE/WinMe

> collections of CDs for the future because I also have an

> (almost) 1-year-old that will be using the same software

> and it is only for Windows 3.1 or Window 95 (some of them).

> The "emulation mode" in XP and Vista have only been

> successful in some applications. But, not for games like

> that. So, I have to revert back to Win98 (at this point).

 

If I were you I'd just go to some garage sales or eBay and get a

$20 486 or PI for him/her, WITHOUT a modem, although it'd

probably be at least 2 years before s/he could figure out what

do with the modem...

 

I don't let ANYONE touch my computers, let alone a 1-year old

kid.

Cat hair in the keyboard is about all I am willing to put with

:-)

 

--

Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,

but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

 

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

 

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.

02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.

03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a

gun.

04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.

05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3

hour orgy.

06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions

breakfast.

07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

Guest mm

Guest mm

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On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid>

wrote:

>=?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=

><BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:

>

>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows

>> 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs

>> for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95

>> only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get the

>> patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point

>> me in the right direction?

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Brian

>

>You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use some

>CD's.

>

>You only need them if you will be connecting to the Internet and

>using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.

 

That's what I thought, but why is it that MS is always releasing

"Security Updates" and Netscape, Firefox, Opera, etc. never do. At

most they release a "new version" every once in a while. Is that

where they include security changes, or do they just have fewer

vulnerabilities than MS products.

>

>Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from

>http://www.oldversion.com

 

I have firefox 2, but I suppose you think I should try this too,

right?

 

If you are inclined to email me

for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-)

Guest mm

Guest mm

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:53:28 -0600, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

>

>"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message

>news:Xns9A18DA48E5349thanexit@66.250.146.158...

>> =?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=

>> <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:

>>

>>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows

>>> 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs

>>> for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1 or Windows 95

>>> only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get the

>>> patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point

>>> me in the right direction?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Brian

>>

>> You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use some

>> CD's.

>>

>> You only need them if you will be connecting to the Internet and

>> using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.

>>

>

>That's quite true...

>

>but if you do want the updates for win98/ME...if the machine has IE6

>installed

>you can still gte them.

>

>It's simply that MS is no longer writing new updates

 

Yeah, that seems to be a new meaning for the word support, from the

point of view of those who were writing the updates. Now there seem

to be 2 meanings to the word support.

>

 

 

If you are inclined to email me

for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-)

Guest buffalo rider

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Hi BMillikan ... I had a similar question about two days ago. Here is a copy

of a useful reply ... that can save you a lot of time. He has CDs with all

the patches and updates, sells for cost basically. Alternatively, you can

download the fixes yourself.

 

- Scott.

 

 

 

"BMillikan" wrote:

> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98, 98SE &

> ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are

> Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get

> the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point me in the

> right direction?

>

> Thanks,

> Brian

> --

> Brian Millikan

> Computer/Software Engineer

> Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver

> Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces

>

Guest buffalo rider

Guest buffalo rider

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oops, forgot to include the note. Here it is.

BTW ... the responders are right that you need to be running from a Windows

9x machine to get the catalog. Windows XP machines redirect and won't,

therefore, let you get to the catalog. Wierd.

 

Subject: Re: Updates for Windows 98 - where? 1/1/2008 12:10 PM PST

 

By: Gary S. Terhune

 

 

 

"BMillikan" wrote:

> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98, 98SE &

> ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are

> Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get

> the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point me in the

> right direction?

>

> Thanks,

> Brian

> --

> Brian Millikan

> Computer/Software Engineer

> Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver

> Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces

>

Guest Mike M

Guest Mike M

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Firefox regularly release updates or patches. For example 2.0.0.10

released late November addressed a bug in the open source browser's "jar:"

protocol handle, a memory corruption vulnerability, and a potential

cross-site scripting hazard

 

Netscape is unsupported and I'm sure Opera also release patches as and

when required.

--

Mike Maltby

mike.maltby@gmail.com

 

 

mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> That's what I thought, but why is it that MS is always releasing

> "Security Updates" and Netscape, Firefox, Opera, etc. never do. At

> most they release a "new version" every once in a while. Is that

> where they include security changes, or do they just have fewer

> vulnerabilities than MS products.

>>

>> Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from

>> http://www.oldversion.com

>

> I have firefox 2, but I suppose you think I should try this too,

> right?

Guest buffalo rider

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hmmm . . . not my day. Here is the rest of the note from Gary ...

 

I have a two CD set I send to people that has all the Updates for Win98,

Win98SE and WinME. Write to me for instructions (I ask $3 to cover costs.)

The first CD is a copy of the Feb. 2004 Security Updates CD, and the second

contains all the rest of the updates after those ones.

 

Email: updates_at_grystmill.com

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

***********************

"BMillikan" wrote:

> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98, 98SE &

> ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are

> Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get

> the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point me in the

> right direction?

>

> Thanks,

> Brian

> --

> Brian Millikan

> Computer/Software Engineer

> Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver

> Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces

>

Guest ... et al.

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thanatoid wrote:

>

> Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from

> http://www.oldversion.com

>

 

At <http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=opera>:

 

....

Opera 7.03 (3.3 MB)

Opera 7.10 (3.2 MB)

Opera 7.11 (3.2 MB)

Opera 8.50 (3.6 MB)

Opera 8.51 (3.7 MB)

Opera 8.52 (3.6 MB)

....

 

 

eh?

 

Opera 8.50 and up is ad-free, but wasn't the 7.x versions still

ad-infested? Is 7.23 some special ad-free version?

 

 

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Please followup in the newsgroup.

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On 02 Jan 2008 19:56:21 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

> "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in

> news:gkltigc8okpe.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

>> On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

>>> Use Opera 7.23...

>> Why? Opera 9.25 runs under Windows ME.

> It may "run" but it won't run as fast and will crash more on

> 98SE.

 

HP Pavilion 6745C (700MHz Intel Celeron processor, 192MB RAM, Windows ME).

HP Pavilion m7590n (1.2GHz Intel Dual core processor, 2GB RAM, Windows MCE

2005).

 

I have Opera 9.25 installed on both. I don't see any difference in speed

which isn't accounted for by the different processors. Reliability is the

same; Opera 9.25 doesn't crash.

 

Check your hardware.

 

--

Norman

~Shine, bright morning light,

~now in the air the spring is coming.

~Sweet, blowing wind,

~singing down the hills and valleys.

Guest N. Miller

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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:07:24 -0500, mm wrote:

> That's what I thought, but why is it that MS is always releasing

> "Security Updates" and Netscape, Firefox, Opera, etc. never do.

 

The Mozilla Foundation (Firefox and SeaMonkey) frequently release security

updates. No security updates for Netscape, or the Mozilla browser suite,

though, because they are no longer even supported. Upgrade from those to

Firefox or SeaMonkey is recommended by the Mozilla Foundation.

 

Opera 9.25 is a security release; Opera also releases security updates on a

regular basis.

 

--

Norman

~Shine, bright morning light,

~now in the air the spring is coming.

~Sweet, blowing wind,

~singing down the hills and valleys.

Guest C B

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"... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:

> thanatoid wrote:

>

> >

> > Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from

> > http://www.oldversion.com

> >

>

> At <http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=opera>:

>

> ...

> Opera 7.03 (3.3 MB)

> Opera 7.10 (3.2 MB)

> Opera 7.11 (3.2 MB)

> Opera 8.50 (3.6 MB)

> Opera 8.51 (3.7 MB)

> Opera 8.52 (3.6 MB)

> ...

>

> eh?

>

> Opera 8.50 and up is ad-free, but wasn't the 7.x versions still

> ad-infested? Is 7.23 some special ad-free version?

 

Hello,

Just as a FYI, I run ver 8.51 on a P166 mmx, 3 gig machine with 98 SE.

It's fairly fast, bug free, with a lot of options. The only drawback is I

use Hotmail for my e-mail and it balks till I enter the password at least

twice. However, I think that's Bill's doing, not Opera.

 

Regards....

C.Bennett

 

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mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in

news:ot1qn3lt1ajtojrbr4q7j730kpji8ghqkk@4ax.com:

> On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid

> <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote:

>

>>=?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=

>><BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>>news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:

>>

>>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for

>>> Windows 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of

>>> learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1

>>> or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able

>>> to get the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can

>>> anyone point me in the right direction?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Brian

>>

>>You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use

>>some CD's.

>>

>>You only need them if you will be connecting to the

>>Internet and using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.

>

> That's what I thought, but why is it that MS is always

> releasing "Security Updates" and Netscape, Firefox, Opera,

> etc. never do.

 

For the same reason that when you buy a well-written piece of

/specific/ software, like an image editing program, you don't

spend the next year having it crash all the time and having to

get fixes. The bigger the company, the more apt it is to release

crap just to get it out the door an make more money. That

statement probably applies more to MS than anyone else.

 

I have been using a Micrografx image editor (which had VERY

useful features several years before the industry standard - and

total overkill for everyone except serious professionals - Adobe

Photoshop) and they NEVER released any patches - why? Because

they wrote the software carefully and tested the hell out of it

before releasing it. The bad part is that they are dead. Corel

now sells what's left of their products. That's the sad fate of

people and companies who care more about quality than money.

 

Anyway, to make it shorter:

a) because MS is more concerned with money than with quality

b) because since it comes preinstalled and "free" on practically

every PC sold, most virus/malware writers target IE/OE as well

as Office.

> At most they release a "new version" every

> once in a while. Is that where they include security

> changes, or do they just have fewer vulnerabilities than MS

> products.

 

SOME people say that the "insecurities" are there because MS

works with the NSA and leaves them there intentionally,

therefore hackers etc. are doing people a favor by discovering

and exploiting those insecurities and forcing MS to make the

browser etc. more user-oriented than "otherwise". Think of that

what you will.

 

Others just say MS is simply terrible at writing software but

great at marketing, using /any/ tactics necessary. They have

thousands of pimply kids who have never talked to each other

coding their software and NO single person has ever gone through

every line of the code for Vista [and XP etc.] or Office because

it would take a lifetime.

 

So that's another reason why those programs are huge, buggy and

basically, CRAP. There are programs that fit on a floppy that do

everything an average user could ask for. Check out

http://www.tinyapps.org and be amazed.

>>Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from

>>http://www.oldversion.com

>

> I have firefox 2, but I suppose you think I should try this

> too, right?

 

I have said it so often I should just make it my sig. By the

time you install all the ad-ons and plugins for Firefox, it's

almost as big, bloated, and vulnerable as IE/OE. I tried it and

found it EXTREMELY disappointing. I don't know WHY Opera isn't

more popular. It is so superior to ANY of the other full-

featured browsers and they are the quickest at fixing whatever

minor security problems arise (SOME of the web dangers affect

ALL internet programs, not just IE/OE).

 

 

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thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

 

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.

02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.

03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a

gun.

04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.

05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3

hour orgy.

06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions

breakfast.

07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

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mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in

news:332qn3p3db7mtqsbti0013bm080nvij96d@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:53:28 -0600, "philo"

> <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

>

>>

>>"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message

>>news:Xns9A18DA48E5349thanexit@66.250.146.158...

>>> =?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=

>>> <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>>> news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:

>>>

>>>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for

>>>> Windows 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of

>>>> learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1

>>>> or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be

>>>> able to get the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow.

>>>> Can anyone point me in the right direction?

>>>>

>>>> Thanks,

>>>> Brian

>>>

>>> You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to

>>> use some CD's.

>>>

>>> You only need them if you will be connecting to the

>>> Internet and using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.

>>>

>>

>>That's quite true...

>>

>>but if you do want the updates for win98/ME...if the

>>machine has IE6 installed

>>you can still gte them.

>>

>>It's simply that MS is no longer writing new updates

>

> Yeah, that seems to be a new meaning for the word support,

> from the point of view of those who were writing the

> updates. Now there seem to be 2 meanings to the word

> support.

 

Microsoft DOES have a talent for making words mean new things...

I think there are MANY people in the world who now think of the

"word-processing program" (I am being kind here) instead of part

of language when they hear the word "WORD".

 

 

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Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,

but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

 

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

 

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.

02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.

03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a

gun.

04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.

05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3

hour orgy.

06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions

breakfast.

07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

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surfer@surfing.org (C B) wrote in

news:20080103172953.647$cb@newsreader.com:

> "... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:

>> thanatoid wrote:

>>

>> >

>> > Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from

>> > http://www.oldversion.com

>> >

>>

>> At <http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=opera>:

>>

>> ...

>> Opera 7.03 (3.3 MB)

>> Opera 7.10 (3.2 MB)

>> Opera 7.11 (3.2 MB)

>> Opera 8.50 (3.6 MB)

>> Opera 8.51 (3.7 MB)

>> Opera 8.52 (3.6 MB)

>> ...

>>

>> eh?

 

I guess I got 7.23 from somewhere else, maybe the Opera site

years ago, and I obviously did not remember whether it was

avail. on http://www.oldversion.com. Sorry.

 

I DL'd 8.52 from there and it was SO different from 7.23 that I

went back to 7.23 (also, I run a 166PI/96MB for my internet

needs).

 

I am pretty sure a 98 machine can handle 8.* with no problems.

Otherwise, 7.11 or anything you want. They're all good and 99.9%

of attacks target IE. I haven't done a single update on this

machine in at least 5 or 8 years and I have NEVER been

infested/attacked/hijacked etc.

>> Opera 8.50 and up is ad-free, but wasn't the 7.x versions

>> still ad-infested? Is 7.23 some special ad-free version?

 

Ad-infested is a BIT of an overstatement. There was a banner-

size rectangle at the upper right which showed either random ads

or, if you filled out your personality profile (OPTIONAL), ads

targeted at your interests/etc. If you bought the program, you

got a reg key which removed the rectangle.

 

Then Opera became free and the rectangle was gone. I don't know

at which exact point/release this happened.

> Hello,

> Just as a FYI, I run ver 8.51 on a P166 mmx, 3 gig

> machine with 98 SE. It's fairly fast, bug free, with a

> lot of options. The only drawback is I use Hotmail for my

> e-mail and it balks till I enter the password at least

> twice. However, I think that's Bill's doing, not Opera.

 

I have read about other people having this problem. I don't get

it - I run 7.23 on basically the same machine (see above) and it

works fine. I only use Hotmail as a throwaway address for stupid

sites/things which would generate spam etc. anyway.

 

I have a $15/year pop3 account which is what I use for real

email. Anyone can afford that.

 

There are many things wrong with web-mail (AKA html mail) for a

variety of reasons. Google if you're interested.

 

 

--

Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,

but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

 

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

 

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.

02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.

03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a

gun.

04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.

05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3

hour orgy.

06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions

breakfast.

07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

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"N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in

news:917sm9oj5whv$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

> On 02 Jan 2008 19:56:21 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

>

>> "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in

>> news:gkltigc8okpe.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

>

>>> On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

>

>>>> Use Opera 7.23...

>

>>> Why? Opera 9.25 runs under Windows ME.

>

>> It may "run" but it won't run as fast and will crash more

>> on 98SE.

>

> HP Pavilion 6745C (700MHz Intel Celeron processor, 192MB

> RAM, Windows ME). HP Pavilion m7590n (1.2GHz Intel Dual

> core processor, 2GB RAM, Windows MCE 2005).

>

> I have Opera 9.25 installed on both. I don't see any

> difference in speed which isn't accounted for by the

> different processors. Reliability is the same; Opera 9.25

> doesn't crash.

>

> Check your hardware.

 

My hardware is 166/96RAM/33.6 modem, 10 years and 3 months old.

I was just guessing as to what will/will not run on a 98 machine

- and it's the processor and RAM that matters, and you have

plenty of that, not to mention you are running a later OS. I

have a 2GHz 98SE Lite machine but it is not connected to the

net.

 

I don't think 9.25 would run on my internet machine, but it

doesn't matter. 7.23 does everything I need it to, and I use

offbyone (about 1MB and /the/ fastest browser in the world)

99.5% of the time anyway. I only use Opera to access Hotmail, my

bank, and sites which don't work without Java or flash - most of

which are of no interest to me.

 

--

Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,

but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

 

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

 

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.

02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.

03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a

gun.

04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.

05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3

hour orgy.

06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions

breakfast.

07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

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On 04 Jan 2008 02:26:32 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

> "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in

> news:917sm9oj5whv$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

>> On 02 Jan 2008 19:56:21 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

>>> "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in

>>> news:gkltigc8okpe.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

>>>> On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

>>>>> Use Opera 7.23...

>>>> Why? Opera 9.25 runs under Windows ME.

>>> It may "run" but it won't run as fast and will crash more

>>> on 98SE.

>> HP Pavilion 6745C (700MHz Intel Celeron processor, 192MB

>> RAM, Windows ME). HP Pavilion m7590n (1.2GHz Intel Dual

>> core processor, 2GB RAM, Windows MCE 2005).

>>

>> I have Opera 9.25 installed on both. I don't see any

>> difference in speed which isn't accounted for by the

>> different processors. Reliability is the same; Opera 9.25

>> doesn't crash.

>>

>> Check your hardware.

> My hardware is 166/96RAM/33.6 modem, 10 years and 3 months old.

> I was just guessing as to what will/will not run on a 98 machine

> - and it's the processor and RAM that matters, and you have

> plenty of that, not to mention you are running a later OS.

 

Windows 98SE, or even Windows 98 would run just fine on my computer. Indeed,

the difference between the HP Pavilion 6745C and the HP Pavilion 6746C was

the OS. Windows ME vs. Windows 98SE.

 

Opera 7.23 is afflicted with exploitable vulnerabilities, as is just about

any browser version number over a couple of years old, and no longer

maintained by the publisher. E.g., Netscape 7.2 has been superseded by

SeaMonkey 1.1.7.

> I have a 2GHz 98SE Lite machine but it is not connected to the net.

 

Probably backwards. The newer machine can run new, more secure application.

That should be the one with the Internet connection.

> I don't think 9.25 would run on my internet machine, but it

> doesn't matter. 7.23 does everything I need it to, and I use

> offbyone (about 1MB and /the/ fastest browser in the world)

> 99.5% of the time anyway. I only use Opera to access Hotmail, my

> bank, and sites which don't work without Java or flash - most of

> which are of no interest to me.

 

I don't have a ten-year old computer with which to experiment. I am

reasonably certain that my twenty-year old boxen won't support even Windows

95 (1 HP Vectra 486/33T, which is an Intel i486DX-33MHz processor, 32MBytes

of RAM, and 1 HP Vectra 25T, which was an Intel i486DX-25MNz processor,

32MBytes of RAM. The last has an Cyrix 50MHz replacement processor).

 

However, for any stat-of-the-art computer, or even one under 7 years old,

Opera 9.25 should work without trouble.

 

--

Norman

~Shine, bright morning light,

~now in the air the spring is coming.

~Sweet, blowing wind,

~singing down the hills and valleys.

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On 04 Jan 2008 02:19:41 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

> I guess I got 7.23 from somewhere else, maybe the Opera site

> years ago, and I obviously did not remember whether it was

> avail. on http://www.oldversion.com. Sorry.

 

My money would be on direct from the Opera site. I am a "keeper", and I have

all of the older versions of Opera that I ever downloaded from the Opera

site; all the way back to Opera 5.02. Opera 7.23 is in that collection.

 

--

Norman

~Shine, bright morning light,

~now in the air the spring is coming.

~Sweet, blowing wind,

~singing down the hills and valleys.

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