Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs no longer working

January 3, 2008

I have a Windows 2003 Server that we use for development. The built in 2

user limit is becoming a problem, our developers are stepping on each other.

I would like to increase to 4 users to be comfortable. The developers are

usually in and out of there in a matter of minutes to configure something in

IIS, copy a file, create a directory, etc. No heavy-duty apps are being

run.

Problem is when I go to Add/Remove Programs > Windows Components and select

Terminal Server and Terminal Server License Manager, I am prompted with a

warning that includes:

"Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs that

are already installed on your server will no longer work and will have to be

reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever

you install programs to use on a Terminal Server"

Of course this stopped me dead in my tracks thinking that if I continue, all

the installed apps on the server would be rendered useless!

This also seems to imply I would not be able to install any future apps on

the server using the app-provided installer, but would have to use the

Control Panel instead?

-- Paul

January 3, 2008

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs no longer working

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs no longer working

To provide the multi-user environment which a Terminal Server needs

(multiple users running the same application simultaneously and

still have different personal settings), all applications must be

installed *after* you install Terminal Services.

For you, it means that nobody can tell you what happens with your

already installed applications. Some might continue to work as

before, others might not. It depends on the application.

And after you install Terminal Services, all user applications must

be installed while the server is in "install mode", AND while no

other users are connected to the server.

You can put the TS in install mode in 2 different ways: either

install through Control Panel - Add/Remove applications (which

automatically puts the TS in install mode), or manually, by typing

"change user /install" (without the quotes) at a command prompt,

and then installing the application with the provided installer.

Recommended reading:

186498 - Terminal Server Application Integration Information

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=186498

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

"Paul" <paule@nospam-mindspring.com> wrote on 03 jan 2008 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> I have a Windows 2003 Server that we use for development. The

> built in 2 user limit is becoming a problem, our developers are

> stepping on each other. I would like to increase to 4 users to

> be comfortable. The developers are usually in and out of there

> in a matter of minutes to configure something in IIS, copy a

> file, create a directory, etc. No heavy-duty apps are being

> run.

>

> Problem is when I go to Add/Remove Programs > Windows Components

> and select Terminal Server and Terminal Server License Manager,

> I am prompted with a warning that includes:

>

> "Program Installation: If you continue with this installation,

> programs that are already installed on your server will no

> longer work and will have to be reinstalled. You must use Add

> or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever you install

> programs to use on a Terminal Server"

>

> Of course this stopped me dead in my tracks thinking that if I

> continue, all the installed apps on the server would be rendered

> useless!

>

> This also seems to imply I would not be able to install any

> future apps on the server using the app-provided installer, but

> would have to use the Control Panel instead?

>

> -- Paul

January 3, 2008

RE: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs

RE: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs

Hi Paul,

You are still able to use the app-provider installer. Via the add/remove

programs you are able to select the file where the installation begins with.

You can start the app-provider installer from this point.

If you’re not sure. Try this procedure first on the current TS (or a test

environment) with another application with an app-provider installer. Or

maybe you can install some application twice in another folder. Or maybe just

check if the app-provider installer starts and then abort the installation.

It the app-provider installer starts it prove that it works.

Good luck,

Yuri

January 4, 2008

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs no longer working

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs no longer working

Is it possible to leave Windows 2003 in "Remote Desktop Administrative Mode"

but purchase TS CALs to get more than 2 remote desktop users?

-- Paul

"Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.noest@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote in message

news:Xns9A1AD4AFAC0CCveranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...

> To provide the multi-user environment which a Terminal Server needs

> (multiple users running the same application simultaneously and

> still have different personal settings), all applications must be

> installed *after* you install Terminal Services.

> For you, it means that nobody can tell you what happens with your

> already installed applications. Some might continue to work as

> before, others might not. It depends on the application.

>

> And after you install Terminal Services, all user applications must

> be installed while the server is in "install mode", AND while no

> other users are connected to the server.

> You can put the TS in install mode in 2 different ways: either

> install through Control Panel - Add/Remove applications (which

> automatically puts the TS in install mode), or manually, by typing

> "change user /install" (without the quotes) at a command prompt,

> and then installing the application with the provided installer.

>

> Recommended reading:

>

> 186498 - Terminal Server Application Integration Information

> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=186498

> _________________________________________________________

> Vera Noest

> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> "Paul" <paule@nospam-mindspring.com> wrote on 03 jan 2008 in

> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

>> I have a Windows 2003 Server that we use for development. The

>> built in 2 user limit is becoming a problem, our developers are

>> stepping on each other. I would like to increase to 4 users to

>> be comfortable. The developers are usually in and out of there

>> in a matter of minutes to configure something in IIS, copy a

>> file, create a directory, etc. No heavy-duty apps are being

>> run.

>>

>> Problem is when I go to Add/Remove Programs > Windows Components

>> and select Terminal Server and Terminal Server License Manager,

>> I am prompted with a warning that includes:

>>

>> "Program Installation: If you continue with this installation,

>> programs that are already installed on your server will no

>> longer work and will have to be reinstalled. You must use Add

>> or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever you install

>> programs to use on a Terminal Server"

>>

>> Of course this stopped me dead in my tracks thinking that if I

>> continue, all the installed apps on the server would be rendered

>> useless!

>>

>> This also seems to imply I would not be able to install any

>> future apps on the server using the app-provided installer, but

>> would have to use the Control Panel instead?

>>

>> -- Paul

>

January 4, 2008

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs no longer working

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs no longer working

No, that's not possible. Well, you actually can have 3 concurrent

connections, 2 normal ones and 1 to the console of the server.

Use mstsc /console.

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

"Paul" <paule@nospam-mindspring.com> wrote on 04 jan 2008 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Is it possible to leave Windows 2003 in "Remote Desktop

> Administrative Mode" but purchase TS CALs to get more than 2

> remote desktop users?

>

> -- Paul

>

> "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.noest@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote

> in message

> news:Xns9A1AD4AFAC0CCveranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...

>> To provide the multi-user environment which a Terminal Server

>> needs (multiple users running the same application

>> simultaneously and still have different personal settings), all

>> applications must be installed *after* you install Terminal

>> Services. For you, it means that nobody can tell you what

>> happens with your already installed applications. Some might

>> continue to work as before, others might not. It depends on the

>> application.

>>

>> And after you install Terminal Services, all user applications

>> must be installed while the server is in "install mode", AND

>> while no other users are connected to the server.

>> You can put the TS in install mode in 2 different ways: either

>> install through Control Panel - Add/Remove applications (which

>> automatically puts the TS in install mode), or manually, by

>> typing "change user /install" (without the quotes) at a command

>> prompt, and then installing the application with the provided

>> installer.

>>

>> Recommended reading:

>>

>> 186498 - Terminal Server Application Integration Information

>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=186498

>> _________________________________________________________

>> Vera Noest

>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>>

>> "Paul" <paule@nospam-mindspring.com> wrote on 03 jan 2008 in

>> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>>

>>> I have a Windows 2003 Server that we use for development. The

>>> built in 2 user limit is becoming a problem, our developers

>>> are stepping on each other. I would like to increase to 4

>>> users to be comfortable. The developers are usually in and

>>> out of there in a matter of minutes to configure something in

>>> IIS, copy a file, create a directory, etc. No heavy-duty apps

>>> are being run.

>>>

>>> Problem is when I go to Add/Remove Programs > Windows

>>> Components and select Terminal Server and Terminal Server

>>> License Manager, I am prompted with a warning that includes:

>>>

>>> "Program Installation: If you continue with this installation,

>>> programs that are already installed on your server will no

>>> longer work and will have to be reinstalled. You must use Add

>>> or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever you install

>>> programs to use on a Terminal Server"

>>>

>>> Of course this stopped me dead in my tracks thinking that if I

>>> continue, all the installed apps on the server would be

>>> rendered useless!

>>>

>>> This also seems to imply I would not be able to install any

>>> future apps on the server using the app-provided installer,

>>> but would have to use the Control Panel instead?

>>>

>>> -- Paul

April 1, 2008

RE: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs

RE: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs

Hello,

I have a server running Exchange 2007 and need to add Terminal Server

servies for 4 users.

During install got this "Statment" message...

Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs that

are already installed on your server will no longer work and will have to be

reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever

you install programs to use on a Terminal Server"

Is my Exchange going down if I install Terminal Service on this server?

Thanks for the imput!

Bob

"Paul" wrote:

> I have a Windows 2003 Server that we use for development. The built in 2

> user limit is becoming a problem, our developers are stepping on each other.

> I would like to increase to 4 users to be comfortable. The developers are

> usually in and out of there in a matter of minutes to configure something in

> IIS, copy a file, create a directory, etc. No heavy-duty apps are being

> run.

>

> Problem is when I go to Add/Remove Programs > Windows Components and select

> Terminal Server and Terminal Server License Manager, I am prompted with a

> warning that includes:

>

> "Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs that

> are already installed on your server will no longer work and will have to be

> reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever

> you install programs to use on a Terminal Server"

>

> Of course this stopped me dead in my tracks thinking that if I continue, all

> the installed apps on the server would be rendered useless!

>

> This also seems to imply I would not be able to install any future apps on

> the server using the app-provided installer, but would have to use the

> Control Panel instead?

>

> -- Paul

>

April 1, 2008

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about programs

Why do you need TS on the server? You really should not have users

logging onto the server. If admins need access, you can enable Remote

Access and have 3 connections (2 via RDP and 1 at the console).

--

Regards,

Hank Arnold

Microsoft MVP

Windows Server - Directory Services

RMGilmore wrote:

> Hello,

> I have a server running Exchange 2007 and need to add Terminal Server

> servies for 4 users.

> During install got this "Statment" message...

>

> Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs that

> are already installed on your server will no longer work and will have to be

> reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever

> you install programs to use on a Terminal Server"

>

> Is my Exchange going down if I install Terminal Service on this server?

>

> Thanks for the imput!

>

> Bob

>

> "Paul" wrote:

>

>> I have a Windows 2003 Server that we use for development. The built in 2

>> user limit is becoming a problem, our developers are stepping on each other.

>> I would like to increase to 4 users to be comfortable. The developers are

>> usually in and out of there in a matter of minutes to configure something in

>> IIS, copy a file, create a directory, etc. No heavy-duty apps are being

>> run.

>>

>> Problem is when I go to Add/Remove Programs > Windows Components and select

>> Terminal Server and Terminal Server License Manager, I am prompted with a

>> warning that includes:

>>

>> "Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs that

>> are already installed on your server will no longer work and will have to be

>> reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever

>> you install programs to use on a Terminal Server"

>>

>> Of course this stopped me dead in my tracks thinking that if I continue, all

>> the installed apps on the server would be rendered useless!

>>

>> This also seems to imply I would not be able to install any future apps on

>> the server using the app-provided installer, but would have to use the

>> Control Panel instead?

>>

>> -- Paul

>>

April 1, 2008

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about prog

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about prog

Hank,

I am with you, But the customer does not want to purchase a second server.

They only have 25 users on an IBM, quad core, 18 Gig Ram, 64 Bit OS box. If I

can't change thier minds, what would happen to the Exchange 2007 install if I

now add

Terminal services to this box?

Thanks for the imput.

RMGILMORE

"Hank Arnold (MVP)" wrote:

> Why do you need TS on the server? You really should not have users

> logging onto the server. If admins need access, you can enable Remote

> Access and have 3 connections (2 via RDP and 1 at the console).

>

> --

>

> Regards,

> Hank Arnold

> Microsoft MVP

> Windows Server - Directory Services

>

> RMGilmore wrote:

> > Hello,

> > I have a server running Exchange 2007 and need to add Terminal Server

> > servies for 4 users.

> > During install got this "Statment" message...

> >

> > Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs that

> > are already installed on your server will no longer work and will have to be

> > reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever

> > you install programs to use on a Terminal Server"

> >

> > Is my Exchange going down if I install Terminal Service on this server?

> >

> > Thanks for the imput!

> >

> > Bob

> >

> > "Paul" wrote:

> >

> >> I have a Windows 2003 Server that we use for development. The built in 2

> >> user limit is becoming a problem, our developers are stepping on each other.

> >> I would like to increase to 4 users to be comfortable. The developers are

> >> usually in and out of there in a matter of minutes to configure something in

> >> IIS, copy a file, create a directory, etc. No heavy-duty apps are being

> >> run.

> >>

> >> Problem is when I go to Add/Remove Programs > Windows Components and select

> >> Terminal Server and Terminal Server License Manager, I am prompted with a

> >> warning that includes:

> >>

> >> "Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs that

> >> are already installed on your server will no longer work and will have to be

> >> reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever

> >> you install programs to use on a Terminal Server"

> >>

> >> Of course this stopped me dead in my tracks thinking that if I continue, all

> >> the installed apps on the server would be rendered useless!

> >>

> >> This also seems to imply I would not be able to install any future apps on

> >> the server using the app-provided installer, but would have to use the

> >> Control Panel instead?

> >>

> >> -- Paul

> >>

>

April 2, 2008

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about prog

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about prog

O dear, put all their eggs in one huge basket, haven't they?

Maybe the server is a DC as well?

I think that the only possible answer to your question is:

nobody knows for sure.

But I would be more worried about what might happen *after* you

have installed TS on the Exchange server!

These users are most likely going to ask you to install

applications on the server. And then they want their local printers

redirected, which means dealing with incompatible printer drivers

(especially on a 64-bit server!).

You are putting the reliability of the Exchange server at risk by

using it as a multi-user personal workstation at the same time.

Because that's what a Terminal Server is, and that's why it should

run on a dedicated server.

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?Uk1HaWxtb3Jl?= <RMGilmore@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote on 01 apr 2008 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Hank,

> I am with you, But the customer does not want to purchase a

> second server. They only have 25 users on an IBM, quad core, 18

> Gig Ram, 64 Bit OS box. If I can't change thier minds, what

> would happen to the Exchange 2007 install if I now add

> Terminal services to this box?

>

> Thanks for the imput.

> RMGILMORE

>

> "Hank Arnold (MVP)" wrote:

>

>> Why do you need TS on the server? You really should not have

>> users logging onto the server. If admins need access, you can

>> enable Remote Access and have 3 connections (2 via RDP and 1 at

>> the console).

>>

>> --

>>

>> Regards,

>> Hank Arnold

>> Microsoft MVP

>> Windows Server - Directory Services

>>

>> RMGilmore wrote:

>> > Hello,

>> > I have a server running Exchange 2007 and need to add

>> > Terminal Server servies for 4 users.

>> > During install got this "Statment" message...

>> >

>> > Program Installation: If you continue with this installation,

>> > programs that are already installed on your server will no

>> > longer work and will have to be reinstalled. You must use

>> > Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever you install

>> > programs to use on a Terminal Server"

>> >

>> > Is my Exchange going down if I install Terminal Service on

>> > this server?

>> >

>> > Thanks for the imput!

>> >

>> > Bob

April 2, 2008

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about prog

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about prog

With 4 users you could run terminal server in a virtual machine, using

Virtual Server. At least that way the system is logically independent of the

Exchange server. You'd need an additional Windows Server license for the VM.

"Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.noest@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote in message

news:Xns9A74799B0402veranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...

>O dear, put all their eggs in one huge basket, haven't they?

> Maybe the server is a DC as well?

>

> I think that the only possible answer to your question is:

> nobody knows for sure.

>

> But I would be more worried about what might happen *after* you

> have installed TS on the Exchange server!

> These users are most likely going to ask you to install

> applications on the server. And then they want their local printers

> redirected, which means dealing with incompatible printer drivers

> (especially on a 64-bit server!).

> You are putting the reliability of the Exchange server at risk by

> using it as a multi-user personal workstation at the same time.

> Because that's what a Terminal Server is, and that's why it should

> run on a dedicated server.

>

> _________________________________________________________

> Vera Noest

> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> =?Utf-8?B?Uk1HaWxtb3Jl?= <RMGilmore@discussions.microsoft.com>

> wrote on 01 apr 2008 in

> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

>> Hank,

>> I am with you, But the customer does not want to purchase a

>> second server. They only have 25 users on an IBM, quad core, 18

>> Gig Ram, 64 Bit OS box. If I can't change thier minds, what

>> would happen to the Exchange 2007 install if I now add

>> Terminal services to this box?

>>

>> Thanks for the imput.

>> RMGILMORE

>>

>> "Hank Arnold (MVP)" wrote:

>>

>>> Why do you need TS on the server? You really should not have

>>> users logging onto the server. If admins need access, you can

>>> enable Remote Access and have 3 connections (2 via RDP and 1 at

>>> the console).

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Hank Arnold

>>> Microsoft MVP

>>> Windows Server - Directory Services

>>>

>>> RMGilmore wrote:

>>> > Hello,

>>> > I have a server running Exchange 2007 and need to add

>>> > Terminal Server servies for 4 users.

>>> > During install got this "Statment" message...

>>> >

>>> > Program Installation: If you continue with this installation,

>>> > programs that are already installed on your server will no

>>> > longer work and will have to be reinstalled. You must use

>>> > Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever you install

>>> > programs to use on a Terminal Server"

>>> >

>>> > Is my Exchange going down if I install Terminal Service on

>>> > this server?

April 10, 2008

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about prog

Re: Adding Terminal Server to existing server - warning about prog

Cool idea Paul...I will review this option...Thanks

RmGilmore

"Paul Shapiro" wrote:

> With 4 users you could run terminal server in a virtual machine, using

> Virtual Server. At least that way the system is logically independent of the

> Exchange server. You'd need an additional Windows Server license for the VM.

>

> "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.noest@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote in message

> news:Xns9A74799B0402veranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...

> >O dear, put all their eggs in one huge basket, haven't they?

> > Maybe the server is a DC as well?

> >

> > I think that the only possible answer to your question is:

> > nobody knows for sure.

> >

> > But I would be more worried about what might happen *after* you

> > have installed TS on the Exchange server!

> > These users are most likely going to ask you to install

> > applications on the server. And then they want their local printers

> > redirected, which means dealing with incompatible printer drivers

> > (especially on a 64-bit server!).

> > You are putting the reliability of the Exchange server at risk by

> > using it as a multi-user personal workstation at the same time.

> > Because that's what a Terminal Server is, and that's why it should

> > run on a dedicated server.

> >

> > _________________________________________________________

> > Vera Noest

> > MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> > TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> > ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

> >

> > =?Utf-8?B?Uk1HaWxtb3Jl?= <RMGilmore@discussions.microsoft.com>

> > wrote on 01 apr 2008 in

> > microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> >

> >> Hank,

> >> I am with you, But the customer does not want to purchase a

> >> second server. They only have 25 users on an IBM, quad core, 18

> >> Gig Ram, 64 Bit OS box. If I can't change thier minds, what

> >> would happen to the Exchange 2007 install if I now add

> >> Terminal services to this box?

> >>

> >> Thanks for the imput.

> >> RMGILMORE

> >>

> >> "Hank Arnold (MVP)" wrote:

> >>

> >>> Why do you need TS on the server? You really should not have

> >>> users logging onto the server. If admins need access, you can

> >>> enable Remote Access and have 3 connections (2 via RDP and 1 at

> >>> the console).

> >>>

> >>> --

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>> Hank Arnold

> >>> Microsoft MVP

> >>> Windows Server - Directory Services

> >>>

> >>> RMGilmore wrote:

> >>> > Hello,

> >>> > I have a server running Exchange 2007 and need to add

> >>> > Terminal Server servies for 4 users.

> >>> > During install got this "Statment" message...

> >>> >

> >>> > Program Installation: If you continue with this installation,

> >>> > programs that are already installed on your server will no

> >>> > longer work and will have to be reinstalled. You must use

> >>> > Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever you install

> >>> > programs to use on a Terminal Server"

> >>> >

> >>> > Is my Exchange going down if I install Terminal Service on

> >>> > this server?

>

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