Guest DaffyD® Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned with pin 1 on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned correctly at the FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the FDD spun around like a CD drive. I then tried flipping over the ribbon cable at the FDD--still the same result. At that point, I just gave up and pulled out the power connector from the FDD. I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable being connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going on. Again, this drive operated fine before I installed a power supply. I've searched through Google for other answers but no luck. Might be time to save up the money to take the box to a tech since I am stumped. -- { : [|]=( DaffyD® If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
Guest Lee Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up On Jan 6, 12:32 am, "DaffyD®" <daf...@woohoo.com> wrote: > This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. > > Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned with pin 1 > on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned correctly at the > FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the FDD spun around like a CD > drive. I then tried flipping over the ribbon cable at the FDD--still the > same result. At that point, I just gave up and pulled out the power > connector from the FDD. > > I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable being > connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going on. Again, this > drive operated fine before I installed a power supply. I've searched > through Google for other answers but no luck. Might be time to save up the > money to take the box to a tech since I am stumped. > -- > { : [|]=( DaffyD® > > If I knew where I was I'd be there now. From experiance I can tell you it's a cable problem, believe it or not. Try a new cable as the old one has a couple of bad connectors in it somewhere and it's not worth the time and trouble to hunt them down for repairs. Even if your cable still inserts with a noticeable force required, try a new one anyway. Time and again it's happened to me here and once involved a CDROM drive. Last time I thought my 5.25 floppy finally bit the dust and I wasted half a day with that issue before trying a NEW cable which fixed her right up with the old drive.
Guest philo Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:%23UxdXZDUIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. > > Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned with pin 1 > on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned correctly at the > FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the FDD spun around like a CD > drive. I then tried flipping over the ribbon cable at the FDD--still the > same result. At that point, I just gave up and pulled out the power > connector from the FDD. > > I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable being > connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going on. Again, this > drive operated fine before I installed a power supply. I've searched > through Google for other answers but no luck. Might be time to save up the > money to take the box to a tech since I am stumped. The thing with floppy drives is there does not seem to be any standard on what is pin 1. Some, the red wire goes toward the power connector...and on some it goes away. If you have tried it both ways and the floppy light remains on...then the cable must be defective I'd think... otherwise the controller is just plain bad... Also be sure to check in the bios to see that drive A is the only drive enabled (and set to 1.44meg) And finally, the drive must be connected to the cable termination that's *after* the twist in the cable
Guest DaffyD® Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:21d88b36-4ee5-485f-8eb0-d6284bfa866c@41g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... On Jan 6, 12:32 am, "DaffyD®" <daf...@woohoo.com> wrote: > This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. > > Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned with pin 1 > on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned correctly at the > FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the FDD spun around like a CD > drive. I then tried flipping over the ribbon cable at the FDD--still the > same result. At that point, I just gave up and pulled out the power > connector from the FDD. > > I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable being > connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going on. Again, this > drive operated fine before I installed a power supply. I've searched > through Google for other answers but no luck. Might be time to save up the > money to take the box to a tech since I am stumped. > -- > { : [|]=( DaffyD® > > If I knew where I was I'd be there now. From experiance I can tell you it's a cable problem, believe it or not. Try a new cable as the old one has a couple of bad connectors in it somewhere and it's not worth the time and trouble to hunt them down for repairs. Even if your cable still inserts with a noticeable force required, try a new one anyway. Time and again it's happened to me here and once involved a CDROM drive. Last time I thought my 5.25 floppy finally bit the dust and I wasted half a day with that issue before trying a NEW cable which fixed her right up with the old drive. Great idea. I'm going to try a new cable. Thanks.
Guest DaffyD® Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message news:eoi5L4GUIHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > news:%23UxdXZDUIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. > > > > Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned with pin > 1 > > on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned correctly at the > > FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the FDD spun around like a CD > > drive. I then tried flipping over the ribbon cable at the FDD--still the > > same result. At that point, I just gave up and pulled out the power > > connector from the FDD. > > > > I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable being > > connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going on. Again, > this > > drive operated fine before I installed a power supply. I've searched > > through Google for other answers but no luck. Might be time to save up the > > money to take the box to a tech since I am stumped. > > > The thing with floppy drives is there does not seem to be any standard on > what is pin 1. > > Some, the red wire goes toward the power connector...and on some it goes > away. > > > If you have tried it both ways and the floppy light remains on...then the > cable must be defective I'd think... > otherwise the controller is just plain bad... > > Also be sure to check in the bios to see that drive A is the only drive > enabled (and set to 1.44meg) > > And finally, the drive must be connected to the cable termination that's > *after* the twist in the cable > I really hope it's the cable and not the controller. I'll start with replacing the cable and hopefully that'll do the trick. >
Guest PCR Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up DaffyD® wrote: | This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. | | Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned with | pin 1 on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned | correctly at the FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the FDD | spun around like a CD drive. I then tried flipping over the ribbon | cable at the FDD--still the same result. At that point, I just gave | up and pulled out the power connector from the FDD. | | I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable | being connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going | on. Again, this drive operated fine before I installed a power | supply. I've searched through Google for other answers but no luck. | Might be time to save up the money to take the box to a tech since I | am stumped. Yep, try a new cable as the others have said. A dozen & a half computer experts are rarely all wrong when they all say more/less the same thing twice! But here again are the settings I mentioned in the other thread... (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" (2) Open the "Disk drives" branch. (3) D-Clk the floppy drive that appears under it for Properties. (Mine is "Generic NEC Floppy Disk".) (4) At the Settings tab, ensure "Removable" is checked. (It just sounds as if that might relate.) Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 or Ctrl as you boot), &... (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" (2) Open the "Floppy disk controllers" branch. If there are more than one controller in this branch, you may have a "ghost". Therefore, delete them all, & reboot to Normal Mode. Point it to the folder that contains your .cabs, if asked. But, if there is already just one driver there, then... (3) D-Clk the controller that appears under it for Properties. (Mine is "Standard Floppy Disk Controller".) (4) At the Driver tab, click the "Update Driver" button. (5) Click the "Next" button. (6) Bolt "Display a list of drivers...", & click "Next". (7) Bolt "Show all hardware". Examine the screen. Mine is "Standard floppy disk controllers" in the Manufacturers (left) pane & "Standard Floppy Disk Controller" in the Models (right) pane. But I have four other choices there in the left pane-- including "Compaq". As one clicks them in the left pane, descriptive info shows up in the right pane. Perhaps, state what you see. It could be worthwhile to go to another and back to the original just to shake things up. To switch, select one, & click "Next". (It seems odd mine is the Standard & not a Compaq controller. But, all is working well, & I will let that be.) Finally... How tough would it be to go back to the smaller power supply, in case the floppy drives were somehow sensitive to that? -- | { : [|]=( DaffyD® | | If I knew where I was I'd be there now. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest DaffyD® Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:uhhRm%23XUIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > DaffyD® wrote: > | This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. > | > | Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned with > | pin 1 on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned > | correctly at the FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the FDD > | spun around like a CD drive. I then tried flipping over the ribbon > | cable at the FDD--still the same result. At that point, I just gave > | up and pulled out the power connector from the FDD. > | > | I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable > | being connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going > | on. Again, this drive operated fine before I installed a power > | supply. I've searched through Google for other answers but no luck. > | Might be time to save up the money to take the box to a tech since I > | am stumped. > > Yep, try a new cable as the others have said. A dozen & a half computer > experts are rarely all wrong when they all say more/less the same thing > twice! > > But here again are the settings I mentioned in the other thread... > > (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" > (2) Open the "Disk drives" branch. > (3) D-Clk the floppy drive that appears under it for Properties. > (Mine is "Generic NEC Floppy Disk".) > (4) At the Settings tab, ensure "Removable" is checked. > (It just sounds as if that might relate.) > > Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 or Ctrl as you boot), &... > > (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" > (2) Open the "Floppy disk controllers" branch. > > If there are more than one controller in this branch, you may have > a "ghost". Therefore, delete them all, & reboot to Normal Mode. Point it > to the folder that contains your .cabs, if asked. > > But, if there is already just one driver there, then... > > (3) D-Clk the controller that appears under it for Properties. > (Mine is "Standard Floppy Disk Controller".) > (4) At the Driver tab, click the "Update Driver" button. > (5) Click the "Next" button. > (6) Bolt "Display a list of drivers...", & click "Next". > (7) Bolt "Show all hardware". > > Examine the screen. Mine is "Standard floppy disk controllers" in the > Manufacturers (left) pane & "Standard Floppy Disk Controller" in the > Models (right) pane. But I have four other choices there in the left > pane-- including "Compaq". As one clicks them in the left pane, > descriptive info shows up in the right pane. Perhaps, state what you > see. It could be worthwhile to go to another and back to the original > just to shake things up. To switch, select one, & click "Next". > (It seems odd mine is the Standard & not a Compaq controller. But, all > is working well, & I will let that be.) > > Finally... How tough would it be to go back to the smaller power supply, > in case > the floppy drives were somehow sensitive to that? > > > -- > | { : [|]=( DaffyD® > | > | If I knew where I was I'd be there now. > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > > I apparently have a different configuration than you do. D-Clking on the Floppy Disk Controller does yield the Standard Floppy Disk Controller but there is no "removable" option. However, when searching for all drivers, only the installed FDD Controller driver is shown. Also, following your advice, I did boot into Safe Mode and there was only 1 controller, so we're fine there. I'd rather stay with the current power supply since it may be a ribbon cable problem--which I will investigate first. By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the left or the right? Mine is on the right but that side leads directly to pin 1 on the motherboard. I'm going to whip this thing--as long as it's not the controller itself. It's just so strange that the orientation of the red stripe has no effect on fixing the problem. Thanks as always for your input.
Guest glee Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:%23K6nDkyUIHA.4768@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > news:uhhRm%23XUIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> DaffyD® wrote: >> | This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. >> | >> | Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned with >> | pin 1 on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned >> | correctly at the FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the FDD >> | spun around like a CD drive. I then tried flipping over the ribbon >> | cable at the FDD--still the same result. At that point, I just gave >> | up and pulled out the power connector from the FDD. >> | >> | I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable >> | being connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going >> | on. Again, this drive operated fine before I installed a power >> | supply. I've searched through Google for other answers but no luck. >> | Might be time to save up the money to take the box to a tech since I >> | am stumped. >> >> Yep, try a new cable as the others have said. A dozen & a half computer >> experts are rarely all wrong when they all say more/less the same thing >> twice! >> >> But here again are the settings I mentioned in the other thread... >> >> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" >> (2) Open the "Disk drives" branch. >> (3) D-Clk the floppy drive that appears under it for Properties. >> (Mine is "Generic NEC Floppy Disk".) >> (4) At the Settings tab, ensure "Removable" is checked. >> (It just sounds as if that might relate.) >> >> Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 or Ctrl as you boot), &... >> >> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" >> (2) Open the "Floppy disk controllers" branch. >> >> If there are more than one controller in this branch, you may have >> a "ghost". Therefore, delete them all, & reboot to Normal Mode. Point it >> to the folder that contains your .cabs, if asked. >> >> But, if there is already just one driver there, then... >> >> (3) D-Clk the controller that appears under it for Properties. >> (Mine is "Standard Floppy Disk Controller".) >> (4) At the Driver tab, click the "Update Driver" button. >> (5) Click the "Next" button. >> (6) Bolt "Display a list of drivers...", & click "Next". >> (7) Bolt "Show all hardware". >> >> Examine the screen. Mine is "Standard floppy disk controllers" in the >> Manufacturers (left) pane & "Standard Floppy Disk Controller" in the >> Models (right) pane. But I have four other choices there in the left >> pane-- including "Compaq". As one clicks them in the left pane, >> descriptive info shows up in the right pane. Perhaps, state what you >> see. It could be worthwhile to go to another and back to the original >> just to shake things up. To switch, select one, & click "Next". >> (It seems odd mine is the Standard & not a Compaq controller. But, all >> is working well, & I will let that be.) >> >> Finally... How tough would it be to go back to the smaller power supply, >> in case >> the floppy drives were somehow sensitive to that? >> >> >> -- >> | { : [|]=( DaffyD® >> | >> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now. >> >> -- >> Thanks or Good Luck, >> There may be humor in this post, and, >> Naturally, you will not sue, >> Should things get worse after this, >> PCR >> pcrrcp@netzero.net >> >> I apparently have a different configuration than you do. D-Clking on the > Floppy Disk Controller does yield the Standard Floppy Disk Controller but > there is no "removable" option. However, when searching for all drivers, > only the installed FDD Controller driver is shown. Also, following your > advice, I did boot into Safe Mode and there was only 1 controller, so we're > fine there. > > I'd rather stay with the current power supply since it may be a ribbon cable > problem--which I will investigate first. > > By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the left or the > right? Mine is on the right but that side leads directly to pin 1 on the > motherboard. > > I'm going to whip this thing--as long as it's not the controller itself. > It's just so strange that the orientation of the red stripe has no effect on > fixing the problem. > > Thanks as always for your input. Hopefully it is the ribbon cable and not the controller. I believe I did already mention somewhere in this or your previous thread, that I once had this problem and it turned out to be the circuit board on floppy drive itself that was the problem. Replacing the drive fixed it. YMMV. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
Guest DaffyD® Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:%23mLBmB0UIHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > news:%23K6nDkyUIHA.4768@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > > news:uhhRm%23XUIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> DaffyD® wrote: > >> | This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. > >> | > >> | Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned with > >> | pin 1 on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned > >> | correctly at the FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the FDD > >> | spun around like a CD drive. I then tried flipping over the ribbon > >> | cable at the FDD--still the same result. At that point, I just gave > >> | up and pulled out the power connector from the FDD. > >> | > >> | I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable > >> | being connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going > >> | on. Again, this drive operated fine before I installed a power > >> | supply. I've searched through Google for other answers but no luck. > >> | Might be time to save up the money to take the box to a tech since I > >> | am stumped. > >> > >> Yep, try a new cable as the others have said. A dozen & a half computer > >> experts are rarely all wrong when they all say more/less the same thing > >> twice! > >> > >> But here again are the settings I mentioned in the other thread... > >> > >> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" > >> (2) Open the "Disk drives" branch. > >> (3) D-Clk the floppy drive that appears under it for Properties. > >> (Mine is "Generic NEC Floppy Disk".) > >> (4) At the Settings tab, ensure "Removable" is checked. > >> (It just sounds as if that might relate.) > >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 or Ctrl as you boot), &... > >> > >> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" > >> (2) Open the "Floppy disk controllers" branch. > >> > >> If there are more than one controller in this branch, you may have > >> a "ghost". Therefore, delete them all, & reboot to Normal Mode. Point it > >> to the folder that contains your .cabs, if asked. > >> > >> But, if there is already just one driver there, then... > >> > >> (3) D-Clk the controller that appears under it for Properties. > >> (Mine is "Standard Floppy Disk Controller".) > >> (4) At the Driver tab, click the "Update Driver" button. > >> (5) Click the "Next" button. > >> (6) Bolt "Display a list of drivers...", & click "Next". > >> (7) Bolt "Show all hardware". > >> > >> Examine the screen. Mine is "Standard floppy disk controllers" in the > >> Manufacturers (left) pane & "Standard Floppy Disk Controller" in the > >> Models (right) pane. But I have four other choices there in the left > >> pane-- including "Compaq". As one clicks them in the left pane, > >> descriptive info shows up in the right pane. Perhaps, state what you > >> see. It could be worthwhile to go to another and back to the original > >> just to shake things up. To switch, select one, & click "Next". > >> (It seems odd mine is the Standard & not a Compaq controller. But, all > >> is working well, & I will let that be.) > >> > >> Finally... How tough would it be to go back to the smaller power supply, > >> in case > >> the floppy drives were somehow sensitive to that? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> | { : [|]=( DaffyD® > >> | > >> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now. > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks or Good Luck, > >> There may be humor in this post, and, > >> Naturally, you will not sue, > >> Should things get worse after this, > >> PCR > >> pcrrcp@netzero.net > >> > >> I apparently have a different configuration than you do. D-Clking on the > > Floppy Disk Controller does yield the Standard Floppy Disk Controller but > > there is no "removable" option. However, when searching for all drivers, > > only the installed FDD Controller driver is shown. Also, following your > > advice, I did boot into Safe Mode and there was only 1 controller, so we're > > fine there. > > > > I'd rather stay with the current power supply since it may be a ribbon cable > > problem--which I will investigate first. > > > > By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the left or the > > right? Mine is on the right but that side leads directly to pin 1 on the > > motherboard. > > > > I'm going to whip this thing--as long as it's not the controller itself. > > It's just so strange that the orientation of the red stripe has no effect on > > fixing the problem. > > > > Thanks as always for your input. > > Hopefully it is the ribbon cable and not the controller. I believe I did already > mention somewhere in this or your previous thread, that I once had this problem and > it turned out to be the circuit board on floppy drive itself that was the problem. > Replacing the drive fixed it. YMMV. > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > http://dts-l.net/ > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm Thanks for your input, Glenn. A faulty drive was my first thought so I bought a new one but still had the same problem. I don't see how a new power supply could cause this but that's when the problem started and that's what's so maddening about this situation. I've already replaced the drive. As I see it, if I replace the ribbon cable and the problem still exists, then a damaged FDD controller on the motherboard must be the culprit. If that's the case, I'll just have to go without a FDD on this computer. >
Guest Ben Myers Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:#UxdXZDUIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. > Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned with pin 1 > on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned correctly at the > FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the FDD spun around like a CD > drive. I then tried flipping over the ribbon cable at the FDD--still the > same result. At that point, I just gave up and pulled out the power > connector from the FDD. > I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable being > connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going on. Again, this > drive operated fine before I installed a power supply. I've searched > through Google for other answers but no luck. Might be time to save up the > money to take the box to a tech since I am stumped. See if the power supply has a 115/230 volts switch. If so, make sure it is set to 115. Ben
Guest philo Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up > > >> > > >> I apparently have a different configuration than you do. D-Clking on > the > > > Floppy Disk Controller does yield the Standard Floppy Disk Controller > but > > > there is no "removable" option. However, when searching for all drivers, > > > only the installed FDD Controller driver is shown. Also, following your > > > advice, I did boot into Safe Mode and there was only 1 controller, so > we're > > > fine there. > > > > > > I'd rather stay with the current power supply since it may be a ribbon > cable > > > problem--which I will investigate first. > > > > > > By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the left or > the > > > right? Mine is on the right but that side leads directly to pin 1 on the > > > motherboard. > > > > > > I'm going to whip this thing--as long as it's not the controller itself. > > > It's just so strange that the orientation of the red stripe has no > effect on > > > fixing the problem. > > > > > > Thanks as always for your input. > > > > Hopefully it is the ribbon cable and not the controller. I believe I did > already > > mention somewhere in this or your previous thread, that I once had this > problem and > > it turned out to be the circuit board on floppy drive itself that was the > problem. > > Replacing the drive fixed it. YMMV. > > -- > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > > http://dts-l.net/ > > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm > > Thanks for your input, Glenn. > > A faulty drive was my first thought so I bought a new one but still had the > same problem. I don't see how a new power supply could cause this but > that's when the problem started and that's what's so maddening about this > situation. > > I've already replaced the drive. As I see it, if I replace the ribbon cable > and the problem still exists, then a damaged FDD controller on the > motherboard must be the culprit. If that's the case, I'll just have to go > without a FDD on this computer. > > > There is one thing I just thought of... when you were advised to flip around the ribbon cable... you should have reveresed ONLY the ribbon cable at the floppy I don't know if you did that or possibly flipped the entire cable around
Guest PCR Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up DaffyD® wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:uhhRm%23XUIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> DaffyD® wrote: |> | This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. |> | |> | Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned |> | with pin 1 on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned |> | correctly at the FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the |> | FDD spun around like a CD drive. I then tried flipping over the |> | ribbon cable at the FDD--still the same result. At that point, I |> | just gave up and pulled out the power connector from the FDD. |> | |> | I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable |> | being connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going |> | on. Again, this drive operated fine before I installed a power |> | supply. I've searched through Google for other answers but no |> | luck. Might be time to save up the money to take the box to a tech |> | since I am stumped. |> |> Yep, try a new cable as the others have said. A dozen & a half |> computer experts are rarely all wrong when they all say more/less |> the same thing twice! |> |> But here again are the settings I mentioned in the other thread... |> |> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" |> (2) Open the "Disk drives" branch. |> (3) D-Clk the floppy drive that appears under it for Properties. |> (Mine is "Generic NEC Floppy Disk".) |> (4) At the Settings tab, ensure "Removable" is checked. |> (It just sounds as if that might relate.) |> |> Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 or Ctrl as you boot), &... |> |> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" |> (2) Open the "Floppy disk controllers" branch. |> |> If there are more than one controller in this branch, you may |> have a "ghost". Therefore, delete them all, & reboot to Normal Mode. |> Point it to the folder that contains your .cabs, if asked. |> |> But, if there is already just one driver there, then... |> |> (3) D-Clk the controller that appears under it for Properties. |> (Mine is "Standard Floppy Disk Controller".) |> (4) At the Driver tab, click the "Update Driver" button. |> (5) Click the "Next" button. |> (6) Bolt "Display a list of drivers...", & click "Next". |> (7) Bolt "Show all hardware". |> |> Examine the screen. Mine is "Standard floppy disk controllers" in the |> Manufacturers (left) pane & "Standard Floppy Disk Controller" in the |> Models (right) pane. But I have four other choices there in the left |> pane-- including "Compaq". As one clicks them in the left pane, |> descriptive info shows up in the right pane. Perhaps, state what you |> see. It could be worthwhile to go to another and back to the original |> just to shake things up. To switch, select one, & click "Next". |> (It seems odd mine is the Standard & not a Compaq controller. But, |> all is working well, & I will let that be.) |> |> Finally... How tough would it be to go back to the smaller power |> supply, in case |> the floppy drives were somehow sensitive to that? |> |> |> -- |> | { : [|]=( DaffyD® |> | |> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now. ....snip | I apparently have a different configuration than you do. D-Clking on | the | Floppy Disk Controller does yield the Standard Floppy Disk Controller | but there is no "removable" option. No! It's the "Disk drives" branch that has that... (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" (2) Open the "Disk drives" branch. (3) D-Clk the floppy drive that appears under it for Properties. (Mine is "Generic NEC Floppy Disk".) (4) At the Settings tab, ensure "Removable" is checked. (It just sounds as if that might relate.) That one you ought look at in Normal Mode. | However, when searching for all | drivers, only the installed FDD Controller driver is shown. Also, | following your advice, I did boot into Safe Mode and there was only 1 | controller, so we're fine there. Yea. As you looked at the controller in Safe Mode & no ghost showed up, sounds like it's OK, if it looked just like mine... "Standard Floppy Disk Controller". | I'd rather stay with the current power supply since it may be a | ribbon cable problem--which I will investigate first. Yep. Continue your investigation. Has it been said whether the floppy is constantly spinning in Safe Mode too? How about when you boot to DOS? If it happens on a boot to DOS-- I think it would have to be something physical at fault! | By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the left | or the right? Mine is on the right but that side leads directly to | pin 1 on the motherboard. I don't know. I've been in my box, but never had cause to examine or fiddle with the floppy derive. And I dread the day I ever will need to now! I do have a floppy drive in my hands pulled from someone's discarded ME machine. It is a SONY MPF920-Z. The red strip on the data cable (labelled FC-34P?) is on the end of the cable that is closest to its twisted portion (of looks like 7 wires). When plugged in, that red stripe ends up in the middle of the drive right next to where the power will plug in. But this cable has a raise plastic portion on its connector that fits into a slot on the floppy drive. I guess (& too bad) they don't all have that. | I'm going to whip this thing--as long as it's not the controller | itself. It's just so strange that the orientation of the red stripe | has no effect on fixing the problem. Keep at it. Since yours is tough to get at, ensure everything else around it looks like they aren't getting unplugged or loosened when you put things back together. | Thanks as always for your input. You are welcome. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up PCR wrote: | DaffyD® wrote: || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message || news:uhhRm%23XUIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... ||> DaffyD® wrote: ....snip || By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the left || or the right? Mine is on the right but that side leads directly to || pin 1 on the motherboard. | | I don't know. I've been in my box, but never had cause to examine or | fiddle with the floppy derive. And I dread the day I ever will need to | now! | | I do have a floppy drive in my hands pulled from someone's discarded | ME machine. It is a SONY MPF920-Z. The red strip on the data cable | (labelled FC-34P?) is on the end of the cable that is closest to its | twisted portion (of looks like 7 wires). When plugged in, that red | stripe ends up in the middle of the drive right next to where the | power will plug in. But this cable has a raise plastic portion on its | connector that fits into a slot on the floppy drive. I guess (& too | bad) they don't all have that. Sheesh! Now, I've pulled the data cable out-- & I see there is slot on both sides of the floppy drive case. So, that doesn't help! The cable connector can flipped & still match! HOWEVER, there is an arrow on the drive case that seems to point to the side that gets the red stripe. Look for that!
Guest DaffyD® Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message news:%23B88U13UIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > > > >> > > > >> I apparently have a different configuration than you do. D-Clking on > > the > > > > Floppy Disk Controller does yield the Standard Floppy Disk Controller > > but > > > > there is no "removable" option. However, when searching for all > drivers, > > > > only the installed FDD Controller driver is shown. Also, following > your > > > > advice, I did boot into Safe Mode and there was only 1 controller, so > > we're > > > > fine there. > > > > > > > > I'd rather stay with the current power supply since it may be a ribbon > > cable > > > > problem--which I will investigate first. > > > > > > > > By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the left > or > > the > > > > right? Mine is on the right but that side leads directly to pin 1 on > the > > > > motherboard. > > > > > > > > I'm going to whip this thing--as long as it's not the controller > itself. > > > > It's just so strange that the orientation of the red stripe has no > > effect on > > > > fixing the problem. > > > > > > > > Thanks as always for your input. > > > > > > Hopefully it is the ribbon cable and not the controller. I believe I > did > > already > > > mention somewhere in this or your previous thread, that I once had this > > problem and > > > it turned out to be the circuit board on floppy drive itself that was > the > > problem. > > > Replacing the drive fixed it. YMMV. > > > -- > > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > > > http://dts-l.net/ > > > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm > > > > Thanks for your input, Glenn. > > > > A faulty drive was my first thought so I bought a new one but still had > the > > same problem. I don't see how a new power supply could cause this but > > that's when the problem started and that's what's so maddening about this > > situation. > > > > I've already replaced the drive. As I see it, if I replace the ribbon > cable > > and the problem still exists, then a damaged FDD controller on the > > motherboard must be the culprit. If that's the case, I'll just have to go > > without a FDD on this computer. > > > > > > > > There is one thing I just thought of... > when you were advised to flip around the ribbon cable... > you should have reveresed ONLY the ribbon cable at the floppy > > I don't know if you did that or possibly flipped the entire cable around > > I've tried that, too. This is why I'm thinking that it's not the reversed cable scenario.
Guest DaffyD® Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:%235nTs1%23UIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > PCR wrote: > | DaffyD® wrote: > || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > || news:uhhRm%23XUIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > ||> DaffyD® wrote: > > ...snip > || By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the left > || or the right? Mine is on the right but that side leads directly to > || pin 1 on the motherboard. > | > | I don't know. I've been in my box, but never had cause to examine or > | fiddle with the floppy derive. And I dread the day I ever will need to > | now! > | > | I do have a floppy drive in my hands pulled from someone's discarded > | ME machine. It is a SONY MPF920-Z. The red strip on the data cable > | (labelled FC-34P?) is on the end of the cable that is closest to its > | twisted portion (of looks like 7 wires). When plugged in, that red > | stripe ends up in the middle of the drive right next to where the > | power will plug in. But this cable has a raise plastic portion on its > | connector that fits into a slot on the floppy drive. I guess (& too > | bad) they don't all have that. > > Sheesh! Now, I've pulled the data cable out-- & I see there is slot on > both sides of the floppy drive case. So, that doesn't help! The cable > connector can flipped & still match! > > HOWEVER, there is an arrow on the drive case that seems to point to the > side that gets the red stripe. Look for that! > > I wish my life were that simple, but there's no arrow. Also, the power connector can be reversed and the drive will still work, again raising the question does the red wire go on the left or the right? I curse the guy that built my computer all these many years ago. Since then I've built my own computer (which went kaput thru no fault of mine) and have been inside this one numerous times. I don't mind unplugging things--I've installed hard and cd rom drives, memory, video and sound cards, and now a floppy disk drive. This was the first time I ever installed a power supply and besides the floppy thing, everything else works perfectly. -- { : [|]=( DaffyD® If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
Guest Buffalo Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up PCR wrote: > Sheesh! Now, I've pulled the data cable out-- & I see there is slot on > both sides of the floppy drive case. So, that doesn't help! The cable > connector can flipped & still match! > > HOWEVER, there is an arrow on the drive case that seems to point to > the side that gets the red stripe. Look for that! Happy New Year PCR!!! I always enjoy your posts. :) :)
Guest DaffyD® Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in message news:enHpDK1UIHA.2368@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:#UxdXZDUIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > This is a follow up to 2 previous posts in this newsgroup. > Ok, I confirmed that the FDD ribbon cable red stripe was aligned with pin 1 > on the motherboard. I then confirmed it was also aligned correctly at the > FDD. Still got the constant green LED while the FDD spun around like a CD > drive. I then tried flipping over the ribbon cable at the FDD--still the > same result. At that point, I just gave up and pulled out the power > connector from the FDD. > I'm of the opinion that this is not just a case of the ribbon cable being > connected incorrectly, but that there's something else going on. Again, this > drive operated fine before I installed a power supply. I've searched > through Google for other answers but no luck. Might be time to save up the > money to take the box to a tech since I am stumped. See if the power supply has a 115/230 volts switch. If so, make sure it is set to 115. Ben Thanks for the tip, Ben. It was set to 115 by default. However, I tried unplugging the cable from the floppy, powered up the computer, and the green light still remained on. The problem is with the power supply but that's as far as I can get since I don't have the equipment to test voltage and such.
Guest thanafart Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in news:uF7tV0AVIHA.1480@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: <SNIP> > Thanks for the tip, Ben. It was set to 115 by default. > However, I tried unplugging the cable from the floppy, > powered up the computer, and the green light still remained > on. The problem is with the power supply but that's as far > as I can get since I don't have the equipment to test > voltage and such. I don't know anymore... You are either a genius troll or a complete moron with even less of a life than I, your humble thanatoid. Either way, my hat is off to you. I admit I have only seen about 20 sets of floppies and cables but they all had red lines AND raised arrows. And many (if not all) cables only went in one way. And a cable can be gotten for free at ANY computer shop and a floppy drive is $5. And a basic power supply can be borrowed for free or bought for $10. Also, even under 98 you can do everything with a CD-R that you could ever need to do with a floppy. 'Hall of Fame' for you, oh my droog and brother. -- Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion. Edward Abbey (1927 - 1989)
Guest Ben Myers Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:uF7tV0AVIHA.1480@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Thanks for the tip, Ben. It was set to 115 by default. However, I tried > unplugging the cable from the floppy, powered up the computer, and the green > light still remained on. The problem is with the power supply but that's as > far as I can get since I don't have the equipment to test voltage and such. Check the power supply plugs on the floppy cable. They are supposed to be designed to prevent accidental reversal, but they are somewhat symmetrical and could be causing the problem. Ben
Guest PCR Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up Buffalo wrote: | PCR wrote: |> Sheesh! Now, I've pulled the data cable out-- & I see there is slot |> on both sides of the floppy drive case. So, that doesn't help! The |> cable connector can flipped & still match! ................................ ^...be |> |> HOWEVER, there is an arrow on the drive case that seems to point to |> the side that gets the red stripe. Look for that! | | Happy New Year PCR!!! Happy New Year, Buffalo-- & everyone. May you never have to fiddle with floppy drive plugs like DaffyD®-- or anyone! | I always enjoy your posts. :) :) :-). -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest w_tom Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up On Jan 10, 11:47 pm, "DaffyD®" <daf...@woohoo.com> wrote: > ... However, I tried unplugging the cable from the floppy, powered up > the computer, and the green light still remained on. The problem is > with thepower supplybut that's as far as I can get since I don't have > the equipment to test voltage and such. Every recommendation (including one to replace the power supply) has a common factor. In each case, the recommendation comes without first learning the circuits. Unlike other drives, the floppy is turned on and off by a switch on the floppy drive controller. Switch on controller connects to floppy via a cable. If the cable is reversed, the floppy 'sees' a closed switch and powers on. If cable is not reversed and switch is failed, then floppy 'sees' a closed switch and powers on. If cable is disconnected from controller (power connector remains connected) and floppy powers off, then problem is directly traceable to the switch on floppy controller. Rather simple analysis when one first learns the interface signals - when one first asks why a reversed cable would also cause same symptoms. Notice how many knew the symptom but never once asked why. 'Knowing' without also knowing 'why' explains so many replies without a useful conclusion. Report what happens when you perform those above tests.
Guest PCR Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up DaffyD® wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:%235nTs1%23UIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... |> PCR wrote: |> | DaffyD® wrote: |> || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> || news:uhhRm%23XUIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> ||> DaffyD® wrote: |> |> ...snip |> || By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the |> || left or the right? Mine is on the right but that side leads |> || directly to pin 1 on the motherboard. |> | |> | I don't know. I've been in my box, but never had cause to examine |> | or fiddle with the floppy derive. And I dread the day I ever will |> | need to now! |> | |> | I do have a floppy drive in my hands pulled from someone's |> | discarded ME machine. It is a SONY MPF920-Z. The red strip on the |> | data cable (labelled FC-34P?) is on the end of the cable that is |> | closest to its twisted portion (of looks like 7 wires). When |> | plugged in, that red stripe ends up in the middle of the drive |> | right next to where the power will plug in. But this cable has a |> | raise plastic portion on its connector that fits into a slot on |> | the floppy drive. I guess (& too bad) they don't all have that. |> |> Sheesh! Now, I've pulled the data cable out-- & I see there is slot |> on both sides of the floppy drive case. So, that doesn't help! The |> cable connector can flipped & still match! ................................ ^...be |> |> HOWEVER, there is an arrow on the drive case that seems to point to |> the side that gets the red stripe. Look for that! |> | I wish my life were that simple, but there's no arrow. That is pitiable. Actually, it is just an arrowhead that I see, though. Look for anything at all-- a dot or a notch, maybe, on the floppy drive case at one side of the floppy connector. That is where I would position the red stripe. | Also, the | power | connector can be reversed and the drive will still work, again | raising the question does the red wire go on the left or the right? So... although the drive never seems to stop spinning, it actually works as normal otherwise? Or, are you just saying it will spin but not work either way? Did you ever say whether it works? How does the drive behave in DOS Mode, as I asked earlier? And don't forget this...!... (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" (2) Open the "Disk drives" branch, (not the "Floppy disk controllers" branch). (3) D-Clk the floppy drive that appears under it for Properties. (Mine is "Generic NEC Floppy Disk".) (4) At the Settings tab, ensure "Removable" is checked. (It just sounds as if that might relate.) That one you ought look at in Normal Mode. | I curse the guy that built my computer all these many years ago. | Since then I've built my own computer (which went kaput thru no fault | of mine) and have been inside this one numerous times. I don't mind | unplugging things--I've installed hard and cd rom drives, memory, | video and sound cards, and now a floppy disk drive. Very good! You've done more than I, then. I'm learning a lot from your unhappy circumstance. I will surely say 6 Hail Mary's & an Our Father-- before I ever unplug my own floppy drive now! | This was the | first time I ever installed a power supply and besides the floppy | thing, everything else works perfectly. It is a mystery why the floppy won't cooperate. -- | { : [|]=( DaffyD® | | If I knew where I was I'd be there now. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest DaffyD® Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:%239UOMVLVIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > DaffyD® wrote: > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > | news:%235nTs1%23UIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > |> PCR wrote: > |> | DaffyD® wrote: > |> || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > |> || news:uhhRm%23XUIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > |> ||> DaffyD® wrote: > |> > |> ...snip > |> || By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the > |> || left or the right? Mine is on the right but that side leads > |> || directly to pin 1 on the motherboard. > |> | > |> | I don't know. I've been in my box, but never had cause to examine > |> | or fiddle with the floppy derive. And I dread the day I ever will > |> | need to now! > |> | > |> | I do have a floppy drive in my hands pulled from someone's > |> | discarded ME machine. It is a SONY MPF920-Z. The red strip on the > |> | data cable (labelled FC-34P?) is on the end of the cable that is > |> | closest to its twisted portion (of looks like 7 wires). When > |> | plugged in, that red stripe ends up in the middle of the drive > |> | right next to where the power will plug in. But this cable has a > |> | raise plastic portion on its connector that fits into a slot on > |> | the floppy drive. I guess (& too bad) they don't all have that. > |> > |> Sheesh! Now, I've pulled the data cable out-- & I see there is slot > |> on both sides of the floppy drive case. So, that doesn't help! The > |> cable connector can flipped & still match! > ............................... ^...be > |> > |> HOWEVER, there is an arrow on the drive case that seems to point to > |> the side that gets the red stripe. Look for that! > |> > > | I wish my life were that simple, but there's no arrow. > > That is pitiable. Actually, it is just an arrowhead that I see, though. > Look for anything at all-- a dot or a notch, maybe, on the floppy drive > case at one side of the floppy connector. That is where I would position > the red stripe. > > | Also, the > | power > | connector can be reversed and the drive will still work, again > | raising the question does the red wire go on the left or the right? > > So... although the drive never seems to stop spinning, it actually works > as normal otherwise? Or, are you just saying it will spin but not work > either way? Did you ever say whether it works? How does the drive behave > in DOS Mode, as I asked earlier? And don't forget this...!... > > (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" > (2) Open the "Disk drives" branch, > (not the "Floppy disk controllers" branch). > (3) D-Clk the floppy drive that appears under it for Properties. > (Mine is "Generic NEC Floppy Disk".) > (4) At the Settings tab, ensure "Removable" is checked. > (It just sounds as if that might relate.) > > That one you ought look at in Normal Mode. > > | I curse the guy that built my computer all these many years ago. > | Since then I've built my own computer (which went kaput thru no fault > | of mine) and have been inside this one numerous times. I don't mind > | unplugging things--I've installed hard and cd rom drives, memory, > | video and sound cards, and now a floppy disk drive. > > Very good! You've done more than I, then. I'm learning a lot from your > unhappy circumstance. I will surely say 6 Hail Mary's & an Our Father-- > before I ever unplug my own floppy drive now! > > | This was the > | first time I ever installed a power supply and besides the floppy > | thing, everything else works perfectly. > > It is a mystery why the floppy won't cooperate. > > > -- > | { : [|]=( DaffyD® > | > | If I knew where I was I'd be there now. > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > > Whatever you do, PCR, never think inside the box!
Guest PCR Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up DaffyD® wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:%239UOMVLVIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> DaffyD® wrote: |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> | news:%235nTs1%23UIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... |> |> PCR wrote: |> |> | DaffyD® wrote: |> |> || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> |> || news:uhhRm%23XUIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> |> ||> DaffyD® wrote: |> |> |> |> ...snip |> |> || By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the |> |> || left or the right? Mine is on the right but that side leads |> |> || directly to pin 1 on the motherboard. |> |> | |> |> | I don't know. I've been in my box, but never had cause to |> |> | examine or fiddle with the floppy derive. And I dread the day I |> |> | ever will need to now! |> |> | |> |> | I do have a floppy drive in my hands pulled from someone's |> |> | discarded ME machine. It is a SONY MPF920-Z. The red strip on |> |> | the data cable (labelled FC-34P?) is on the end of the cable |> |> | that is closest to its twisted portion (of looks like 7 wires). |> |> | When plugged in, that red stripe ends up in the middle of the |> |> | drive right next to where the power will plug in. But this |> |> | cable has a raise plastic portion on its connector that fits |> |> | into a slot on the floppy drive. I guess (& too bad) they don't |> |> | all have that. |> |> |> |> Sheesh! Now, I've pulled the data cable out-- & I see there is |> |> slot on both sides of the floppy drive case. So, that doesn't |> |> help! The cable connector can flipped & still match! |> ............................... ^...be |> |> |> |> HOWEVER, there is an arrow on the drive case that seems to point |> |> to the side that gets the red stripe. Look for that! |> |> |> |> | I wish my life were that simple, but there's no arrow. |> |> That is pitiable. Actually, it is just an arrowhead that I see, |> though. Look for anything at all-- a dot or a notch, maybe, on the |> floppy drive case at one side of the floppy connector. That is where |> I would position the red stripe. |> |> | Also, the |> | power |> | connector can be reversed and the drive will still work, again |> | raising the question does the red wire go on the left or the right? |> |> So... although the drive never seems to stop spinning, it actually |> works as normal otherwise? Or, are you just saying it will spin but |> not work either way? Did you ever say whether it works? How does the |> drive behave in DOS Mode, as I asked earlier? And don't forget |> this...!... |> |> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" |> (2) Open the "Disk drives" branch, |> (not the "Floppy disk controllers" branch). |> (3) D-Clk the floppy drive that appears under it for Properties. |> (Mine is "Generic NEC Floppy Disk".) |> (4) At the Settings tab, ensure "Removable" is checked. |> (It just sounds as if that might relate.) |> |> That one you ought look at in Normal Mode. |> |> | I curse the guy that built my computer all these many years ago. |> | Since then I've built my own computer (which went kaput thru no |> | fault of mine) and have been inside this one numerous times. I |> | don't mind unplugging things--I've installed hard and cd rom |> | drives, memory, video and sound cards, and now a floppy disk drive. |> |> Very good! You've done more than I, then. I'm learning a lot from |> your unhappy circumstance. I will surely say 6 Hail Mary's & an Our |> Father-- before I ever unplug my own floppy drive now! |> |> | This was the |> | first time I ever installed a power supply and besides the floppy |> | thing, everything else works perfectly. |> |> It is a mystery why the floppy won't cooperate. |> |> |> -- |> | { : [|]=( DaffyD® |> | |> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now. |> ....snip |> Whatever you do, PCR, never think inside the box! OK. Anyhow, I couldn't quite fit in it last time I tried! That was an interesting thought Myers posted in your other thread... ......Quote........... The power supply cable carries two voltages,12 volts for the drive motor and 5 volts for the electronics. If it is connected in reverse, the 12 volt line is applied to the electronics, which may cause permanent damage. I suggest you try a known good floppy drive, making sure to connect the cable correctly. ......EOQ............. I hope nothing like that has been going on with your power connector! It's hard to describe the power socket on this SONY MPF920-Z floppy drive in my hand. There seems to be a deep plastic slot under the 4 metal prongs. One side of the slot actually doesn't touch its wall. I guess it depends on the shape of the plug whether it will fit just one way-- but I can't see that! Good luck!
Guest DaffyD® Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:OhlyVwXVIHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > DaffyD® wrote: > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > | news:%239UOMVLVIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > |> DaffyD® wrote: > |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > |> | news:%235nTs1%23UIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > |> |> PCR wrote: > |> |> | DaffyD® wrote: > |> |> || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > |> |> || news:uhhRm%23XUIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > |> |> ||> DaffyD® wrote: > |> |> > |> |> ...snip > |> |> || By the way, is the pin 1 stripe on your FDD ribbon cable on the > |> |> || left or the right? Mine is on the right but that side leads > |> |> || directly to pin 1 on the motherboard. > |> |> | > |> |> | I don't know. I've been in my box, but never had cause to > |> |> | examine or fiddle with the floppy derive. And I dread the day I > |> |> | ever will need to now! > |> |> | > |> |> | I do have a floppy drive in my hands pulled from someone's > |> |> | discarded ME machine. It is a SONY MPF920-Z. The red strip on > |> |> | the data cable (labelled FC-34P?) is on the end of the cable > |> |> | that is closest to its twisted portion (of looks like 7 wires). > |> |> | When plugged in, that red stripe ends up in the middle of the > |> |> | drive right next to where the power will plug in. But this > |> |> | cable has a raise plastic portion on its connector that fits > |> |> | into a slot on the floppy drive. I guess (& too bad) they don't > |> |> | all have that. > |> |> > |> |> Sheesh! Now, I've pulled the data cable out-- & I see there is > |> |> slot on both sides of the floppy drive case. So, that doesn't > |> |> help! The cable connector can flipped & still match! > |> ............................... ^...be > |> |> > |> |> HOWEVER, there is an arrow on the drive case that seems to point > |> |> to the side that gets the red stripe. Look for that! > |> |> > |> > |> | I wish my life were that simple, but there's no arrow. > |> > |> That is pitiable. Actually, it is just an arrowhead that I see, > |> though. Look for anything at all-- a dot or a notch, maybe, on the > |> floppy drive case at one side of the floppy connector. That is where > |> I would position the red stripe. > |> > |> | Also, the > |> | power > |> | connector can be reversed and the drive will still work, again > |> | raising the question does the red wire go on the left or the right? > |> > |> So... although the drive never seems to stop spinning, it actually > |> works as normal otherwise? Or, are you just saying it will spin but > |> not work either way? Did you ever say whether it works? How does the > |> drive behave in DOS Mode, as I asked earlier? And don't forget > |> this...!... > |> > |> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" > |> (2) Open the "Disk drives" branch, > |> (not the "Floppy disk controllers" branch). > |> (3) D-Clk the floppy drive that appears under it for Properties. > |> (Mine is "Generic NEC Floppy Disk".) > |> (4) At the Settings tab, ensure "Removable" is checked. > |> (It just sounds as if that might relate.) > |> > |> That one you ought look at in Normal Mode. > |> > |> | I curse the guy that built my computer all these many years ago. > |> | Since then I've built my own computer (which went kaput thru no > |> | fault of mine) and have been inside this one numerous times. I > |> | don't mind unplugging things--I've installed hard and cd rom > |> | drives, memory, video and sound cards, and now a floppy disk drive. > |> > |> Very good! You've done more than I, then. I'm learning a lot from > |> your unhappy circumstance. I will surely say 6 Hail Mary's & an Our > |> Father-- before I ever unplug my own floppy drive now! > |> > |> | This was the > |> | first time I ever installed a power supply and besides the floppy > |> | thing, everything else works perfectly. > |> > |> It is a mystery why the floppy won't cooperate. > |> > |> > |> -- > |> | { : [|]=( DaffyD® > |> | > |> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now. > |> > > ...snip > |> Whatever you do, PCR, never think inside the box! > > OK. Anyhow, I couldn't quite fit in it last time I tried! That was an > interesting thought Myers posted in your other thread... > > .....Quote........... > The power supply cable carries two voltages,12 volts for the drive motor > and 5 volts for the electronics. If it is connected in reverse, the 12 > volt > line is applied to the electronics, which may cause permanent damage. > I suggest you try a known good floppy drive, making sure to connect > the cable correctly. > .....EOQ............. > > I hope nothing like that has been going on with your power connector! > It's hard to describe the power socket on this SONY MPF920-Z floppy > drive in my hand. There seems to be a deep plastic slot under the 4 > metal prongs. One side of the slot actually doesn't touch its wall. I > guess it depends on the shape of the plug whether it will fit just one > way-- but I can't see that! Good luck! > > I have a couple of these molex connectors and they all look the way you described yours. By the way, I've narrowed the problem down to the power supply. I totally disconnected the floppy cable, powered on the computer, and the problem still occurred. It's got to be a voltage problem. I even tried reinstalling the PS--no luck. And there's only one way you can connect the PS to the motherboard so I didn't make a mistake there. Unfortunately, it's too late to return the PS to the computer store.
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