Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

January 15, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

On Jan 14, 11:19 am, "Buffalo" <E...@nada.com.invalid> wrote:

> Would a reversed polarity on the power supply to the FDD cause the above?

Reverse polarity connector means 5 and 12 volts are reversed. 5

volts circuits would fry internally without any external indication.

One example of how wires (by color and voltage) are routed into

connector:

http://www.hardwarebook.info/5.25%22_Power

Pin one on cable connector must match pin one on pc board

connector. Pin one is indicated by some indentation or mark. PC

board may also have a pin one indication and markings for voltages.

On example of wires for another disk drive connector:

http://www.hardwarebook.info/3.5%22_Power

However if connectors were reversed, same would be damaging other

peripherals such as hard drive and CD-Rom.

Moving on to more absurd possibilities. Are power cable extenders

that are defective being used? Was power cord removed from wall

receptacle before making any cable changes? What static electric

discharge protection was performed? Where any side mounting screws

so long as to contact electronics? Anything making contact with disk

drive electronics when mounted in chassis?

Based upon what was posted, each disk drive has an internal

failure. Why do multiple drives have same failure? Quite possible

is that multiple drives from same source were provided defective. If

anything else (like system power supply) created this failure, then

other peripherals also should be damaged. Nothing from the data cable

should have caused damage.

January 15, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in

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> DaffyD® wrote:

>> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

>> >

>>> Actually, he did replace the drive. This is a long thread

>>> and it is easy to miss what he did and did not do.

>>> I believe that he: (not in any particular order after he

>>> replaced the PSU) 1) replaced the ribbon cable

>>> 2) reversed the ribbon cable at either end and at both

>>> ends 3) checked to see if his FDD Controller was listed

>>> (Safe Mode only showed one)

>>> 4) rechecked his PS connection to the MB

>>> 5) rechecked his power supply connection to the FDD (not

>>> sure if it is possible to reverse that connection)

>>> 6) replaced the FDD with a 'new' one

>>> 7) removed the ribbon cable from the new FDD and still

>>> had the problem

>>>

>>> Would a reversed polarity on the power supply to the FDD

>>> cause the above?

>>>

>>> Are you referring to the power connector to the FDD?

>

> Yes.

> I was just thinking that perhaps the polarity on the power

> connector to the FDD was reversed due to faulty assembly of

> the PSU. Stranger things have happened.

> PS: I really don't have a clue if that would cause your

> problem, but I am out of other ideas.

How about this one:

You are being TROLLED. All that remains to be seen is for how

much longer.

--

Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion.

Edward Abbey (1927 - 1989)

January 15, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

w_tom <w_tom1@usa.net> wrote in

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oups.com:

> On Jan 14, 11:19 am, "Buffalo" <E...@nada.com.invalid>

> wrote:

>> Would a reversed polarity on the power supply to the FDD

>> cause the above?

>

> Reverse polarity connector means 5 and 12 volts are

> reversed. 5

> volts circuits would fry internally without any external

> indication.

>

> One example of how wires (by color and voltage) are

> routed into

> connector:

> http://www.hardwarebook.info/5.25%22_Power

>

> Pin one on cable connector must match pin one on pc board

> connector. Pin one is indicated by some indentation or

> mark. PC board may also have a pin one indication and

> markings for voltages.

>

> On example of wires for another disk drive connector:

> http://www.hardwarebook.info/3.5%22_Power

>

> However if connectors were reversed, same would be

> damaging other

> peripherals such as hard drive and CD-Rom.

>

> Moving on to more absurd possibilities. Are power cable

> extenders

> that are defective being used? Was power cord removed from

> wall receptacle before making any cable changes? What

> static electric discharge protection was performed? Where

> any side mounting screws so long as to contact electronics?

> Anything making contact with disk drive electronics when

> mounted in chassis?

>

> Based upon what was posted, each disk drive has an

> internal

> failure. Why do multiple drives have same failure? Quite

> possible is that multiple drives from same source were

> provided defective. If anything else (like system power

> supply) created this failure, then other peripherals also

> should be damaged. Nothing from the data cable should have

> caused damage.

You are missing an essential point. This is a fictitious system

with a fictitious problem. Therefore, nothing will EVER work,

until the troll decides he's bored and will announce his system

has miraculously started behaving like a normal computer.

--

Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion.

Edward Abbey (1927 - 1989)

January 15, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

w_tom wrote:

> On Jan 14, 11:19 am, "Buffalo" <E...@nada.com.invalid> wrote:

>> Would a reversed polarity on the power supply to the FDD cause the

>> above?

>

> Reverse polarity connector means 5 and 12 volts are reversed. 5

> volts circuits would fry internally without any external indication.

I just meant that the polarity was reversed in the connector, + & - , not

the voltage.

January 15, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

thanatoid wrote:

>>"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> >>

>> Actually, he did replace the drive. This is a long thread

>> and it is easy to miss what he did and did not do.

>> I believe that he: (not in any particular order after he

>> replaced the PSU) 1) replaced the ribbon cable

>> 2) reversed the ribbon cable at either end and at both ends

>> 3) checked to see if his FDD Controller was listed (Safe

>> Mode only showed one)

>> 4) rechecked his PS connection to the MB

>> 5) rechecked his power supply connection to the FDD (not

>> sure if it is possible to reverse that connection)

>> 6) replaced the FDD with a 'new' one

>> 7) removed the ribbon cable from the new FDD and still had

>> the problem

>>

>> Would a reversed polarity on the power supply to the FDD

>> cause the above?

>

> Right, and *I* am the whack job.

>

> 1.

> Anyone who has /any/ serious computer experience has found out

> over time that /sometimes/ things happen that have NO LOGICAL

> EXPLANATION.

>

> 2.

> OTOH, anybody who would go on for weeks about components which

> would cost him a total of about $20 to replace,

[cut]

The OP did replace the FDD and the ribbon cable.

He did not replace the new PSU.

PS:Life can be either what others make it for you OR what you make it for

yourself.

Not stated properly, but I think it is appropiate.

January 15, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

On Jan 14, 10:02 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:

> You are missing an essential point. This is a fictitious system

> with a fictitious problem. Therefore, nothing will EVER work,

> until the troll decides he's bored and will announce his system

> has miraculously started behaving like a normal computer.

War games.

January 15, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

On Jan 14, 10:16 pm, "Buffalo" <E...@nada.com.invalid> wrote:

> I just meant that the polarity was reversed in the connector, + & - , not

> the voltage.

Connectors are wires so that voltages are on outside two pins and

grounds are center two. Reversing any power connector will not create

a polarity reversal.

BTW, important for multi-voltage devices that may be 'hot-

popped' (intentionally or accidentally). If both voltages connect

without grounds, then electronic damage can result. Better designs

locate a ground connector so that ground is always first to make and

last to break. That applies to power cables and to computer cards.

But the PC standard does not do that because cables are not intended

to be changed with power applied to the box.

January 15, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in

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> thanatoid wrote:

>>>"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> >>

>>> Actually, he did replace the drive. This is a long thread

>>> and it is easy to miss what he did and did not do.

>>> I believe that he: (not in any particular order after he

>>> replaced the PSU) 1) replaced the ribbon cable

>>> 2) reversed the ribbon cable at either end and at both

>>> ends 3) checked to see if his FDD Controller was listed

>>> (Safe Mode only showed one)

>>> 4) rechecked his PS connection to the MB

>>> 5) rechecked his power supply connection to the FDD (not

>>> sure if it is possible to reverse that connection)

>>> 6) replaced the FDD with a 'new' one

>>> 7) removed the ribbon cable from the new FDD and still

>>> had the problem

>>>

>>> Would a reversed polarity on the power supply to the FDD

>>> cause the above?

>>

>> Right, and *I* am the whack job.

>>

>> 1.

>> Anyone who has /any/ serious computer experience has found

>> out over time that /sometimes/ things happen that have NO

>> LOGICAL EXPLANATION.

>>

>> 2.

>> OTOH, anybody who would go on for weeks about components

>> which would cost him a total of about $20 to replace,

> [cut]

>

> The OP did replace the FDD and the ribbon cable.

> He did not replace the new PSU.

> PS:Life can be either what others make it for you OR what

> you make it for yourself.

> Not stated properly, but I think it is appropiate.

Close enough. I know better than ANYBODY that I should have

never been born. As for killing time and annoying (occasionally

helping) people on the Usenet, well, there used to be the town

square, then the mall, and now there's this. Not my fault. I

think the computer is second only to television in its inherent

evil.

I get the /vague/ feeling you may be a kind soul who wishes s/he

could help me, but trust me, it's not worth it, as well as

impossible. We'll ALL be better off when I'm gone.

And if my "vague feeling" was way off, just chalk it up to the

fact I'm crazy.

--

Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to

reality.

January 15, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

DaffyD® wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:O09SVKwVIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|> DaffyD® wrote:

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:ejbhBVjVIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|>

|> ...snip

|> |pcr, thanks for your support of me in your reply to whatever that

|> | jerk wrote. i've blocked his posts and i scrolled past the text you

|> | replied to in your post so i have no idea what junk he was spewing.

|>

|> I'm going to hunt him down for an exorcism with prayer & hot coals.

|> Soon you may remove him from your kill-file for being cured or for

|> the redundancy of it.

|>

|> | --

|> | { : [|]=( DaffyD®

|> |

|> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

....snip

| he's cured? how much salt did it take?

Not yet! I haven't found him yet! After I have applied prayer & he has

swallowed the hot coals, for one reason or another you may remove him

from your kill-file-- but wait until I say!

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

January 15, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

DaffyD® wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:epSYwPwVIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> DaffyD® wrote:

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:uQqKAIjVIHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|>

|> ...snip

|> |> |> OK. Anyhow, I couldn't quite fit in it last time I tried! That

|> |> |> was an interesting thought Myers posted in your other thread...

|> |> |>

|> |> |> .....Quote...........

|> |> |> The power supply cable carries two voltages,12 volts for the

|> |> |> drive motor and 5 volts for the electronics. If it is

|> |> |> connected in reverse, the 12 volt

|> |> |> line is applied to the electronics, which may cause permanent

|> |> |> damage. I suggest you try a known good floppy drive, making

|> |> |> sure to connect the cable correctly.

|> |> |> .....EOQ.............

|> |> |>

|> |> |> I hope nothing like that has been going on with your power

|> |> |> connector! It's hard to describe the power socket on this SONY

|> |> |> MPF920-Z floppy drive in my hand. There seems to be a deep

|> |> |> plastic slot under the 4 metal prongs. One side of the slot

|> |> |> actually doesn't touch its wall. I guess it depends on the

|> |> |> shape of the plug whether it will fit just one way-- but I

|> |> |> can't see that! Good luck!

|> |> |>

|> |>

|> |> | I have a couple of these molex connectors and they all look the

|> |> | way you

|> |> | described yours. By the way, I've narrowed the problem down to

|> |> | the power supply. I totally disconnected the floppy cable,

|> |> | powered on the computer, and the problem still occurred. It's

|> |> | got to be a voltage problem. I even tried reinstalling the

|> |> | PS--no luck. And there's only one way you can connect the PS to

|> |> | the motherboard so I didn't make a mistake there.

|> |> | Unfortunately, it's too late to return the PS to the computer

|> |> | store.

|> |>

|> |> Uhuh! Could be the floppies are somehow sensitive to the increased

|> |> power, (I'm guessing). Can you go back to the removed one, or was

|> |> that dead? I hope the floppies haven't fried now!

|> |>

|>

|> ...snip

|> | the old power supply was fried which is why i put in a new one. the

|> | old

|> | floppy drive and the new one appear to be fine except for the high

|> | rpm. at this point, i think that only a person who is had this

|> | problem and fixed it can help me .

|>

|> Agreed. Good luck, DaffyD®. Keep us informed. You may need to connect

|> one of the floppy drives to another computer to see whether it is

|> fried going by Myers's post. OK, bye.

....snip

| Yeah, I read his post and it gave me info I hadn't known before. If

| the

| floppy was fried and not working it would at least be something to go

| on.

Now, I've found a photo...!...

http://www.pcguide.com/byop/byop_PowertoFloppyDrive.htm

Power to Floppy Drive

The socket at the drive looks a lot like the one I've got in my hands--

four metal pins over a plastic bottom. I can't open my box to see my

floppy power cable. If yours looks like the one in this photo, I guess

the answer is all here. The top has a single raised plastic rectangle.

The bottom has 5/so jutting plastic barbs, looks like.

Here's another one showing what it may look like at the motherboard...

http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html

All about the various PC power supply cables and connectors

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

January 16, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

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> thanatoid wrote:

> >>"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> >>

> >> Actually, he did replace the drive. This is a long thread

> >> and it is easy to miss what he did and did not do.

> >> I believe that he: (not in any particular order after he

> >> replaced the PSU) 1) replaced the ribbon cable

> >> 2) reversed the ribbon cable at either end and at both ends

> >> 3) checked to see if his FDD Controller was listed (Safe

> >> Mode only showed one)

> >> 4) rechecked his PS connection to the MB

> >> 5) rechecked his power supply connection to the FDD (not

> >> sure if it is possible to reverse that connection)

> >> 6) replaced the FDD with a 'new' one

> >> 7) removed the ribbon cable from the new FDD and still had

> >> the problem

> >>

> >> Would a reversed polarity on the power supply to the FDD

> >> cause the above?

> >

> > Right, and *I* am the whack job.

> >

> > 1.

> > Anyone who has /any/ serious computer experience has found out

> > over time that /sometimes/ things happen that have NO LOGICAL

> > EXPLANATION.

> >

> > 2.

> > OTOH, anybody who would go on for weeks about components which

> > would cost him a total of about $20 to replace,

> [cut]

>

> The OP did replace the FDD and the ribbon cable.

> He did not replace the new PSU.

> PS:Life can be either what others make it for you OR what you make it for

> yourself.

> Not stated properly, but I think it is appropiate.

>

>Thanks, Buff. I've kill filed this guy so I have no idea what he is writing

unless it's contained in a response my another poster.

January 16, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in

news:uNr9jC9VIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

<SNIP>

> Now, I've found a photo...!...

> http://www.pcguide.com/byop/byop_PowertoFloppyDrive.htm

> Power to Floppy Drive

Right, and it ONLY GOES IN ONE WAY!

T R O L L E D!!!!!!!!!

(As if ANY more proof was needed.)

--

Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to

reality.

January 16, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

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> DaffyD® wrote:

> > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> > news:e7mc8FwVIHA.1132@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> >>> Please don't feed the trolls. Or have you adopted one of them?

> >>

> >> I'm not convinced thanatoid is 99.99% a troll. I think he still can

> >> be exorcised with hot coals & a prayer!

> >>

> >>> --

> >>> Gary S. Terhune

> >>> MS-MVP Shell/User

> >>> http://www.grystmill.com

> >>>

> >>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> >>> news:ejbhBVjVIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >>>> thanatoid wrote:

> >>

> >> --

> >> Thanks or Good Luck,

> >> There may be humor in this post, and,

> >> Naturally, you will not sue,

> >> Should things get worse after this,

> >> PCR

> >> pcrrcp@netzero.net

> >>

> >> And I thought that guy was calling me a troll. Maybe he was. My brain

> > hurts again and I go lie down now.

>

> That 'guy' (meaning Gary S. Terhune) you thought was calling you a troll

is

> one of the sharpest in the Win98 NG.

> Have a cold beer and relax because you have a couple of the best answering

> you.

>

> You misunderstood--I would never call Gary a troll. He's been of great

help over the past 10 years. I was referring to the guy using the nick

"thanatoid" (or something like that).

January 16, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

"w_tom" <w_tom1@usa.net> wrote in message

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On Jan 14, 10:02 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:

> You are missing an essential point. This is a fictitious system

> with a fictitious problem. Therefore, nothing will EVER work,

> until the troll decides he's bored and will announce his system

> has miraculously started behaving like a normal computer.

War games.

Your posts are educational but I'm less than happy to see any of that jerk's

text since I've kill filed his posts. Your responses are still most

appreciated

--

{ : [|]=( DaffyD®

If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

January 16, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

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> DaffyD® wrote:

> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> | news:O09SVKwVIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> |> DaffyD® wrote:

> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> |> | news:ejbhBVjVIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> |>

> |> ...snip

> |> |pcr, thanks for your support of me in your reply to whatever that

> |> | jerk wrote. i've blocked his posts and i scrolled past the text you

> |> | replied to in your post so i have no idea what junk he was spewing.

> |>

> |> I'm going to hunt him down for an exorcism with prayer & hot coals.

> |> Soon you may remove him from your kill-file for being cured or for

> |> the redundancy of it.

> |>

> |> | --

> |> | { : [|]=( DaffyD®

> |> |

> |> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

>

> ...snip

> | he's cured? how much salt did it take?

>

> Not yet! I haven't found him yet! After I have applied prayer & he has

> swallowed the hot coals, for one reason or another you may remove him

> from your kill-file-- but wait until I say!

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

>Good luck with the hunt. If you run short of hot coals, please let me

know.

--

{ : [|]=( DaffyD®

If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

January 16, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

DaffyD® wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:eMNqgv8VIHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> DaffyD® wrote:

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:O09SVKwVIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|> |> DaffyD® wrote:

|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> |> | news:ejbhBVjVIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |>

|> |> ...snip

|> |> |pcr, thanks for your support of me in your reply to whatever that

|> |> | jerk wrote. i've blocked his posts and i scrolled past the text

|> |> | you replied to in your post so i have no idea what junk he was

|> |> | spewing.

|> |>

|> |> I'm going to hunt him down for an exorcism with prayer & hot

|> |> coals. Soon you may remove him from your kill-file for being

|> |> cured or for the redundancy of it.

|> |>

|> |> | --

|> |> | { : [|]=( DaffyD®

|> |> |

|> |> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

|>

|> ...snip

|> | he's cured? how much salt did it take?

|>

|> Not yet! I haven't found him yet! After I have applied prayer & he

|> has swallowed the hot coals, for one reason or another you may

|> remove him from your kill-file-- but wait until I say!

....snip

| Good luck with the hunt. If you run short of hot coals, please let me

| know.

Usually, it takes only three hot coals & 17 prayers to perform an

exorcism. Some people can do it with less-- but it is very rare more

will be needed!

| --

| { : [|]=( DaffyD®

|

| If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

January 16, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

thanatoid wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in

| news:uNr9jC9VIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

|

| <SNIP>

|

|> Now, I've found a photo...!...

|> http://www.pcguide.com/byop/byop_PowertoFloppyDrive.htm

|> Power to Floppy Drive

|

| Right, and it ONLY GOES IN ONE WAY!

It seems to me from the photos the power connector can possibly go in

upside-down with a little bending of plastic. And that site, itself,

says...!...

"The floppy makes use of an odd looking power connector."

&

"This is one of the few power connections that can confuse new

builders."

Therefore, I continue to hunt high/low for you, thanatoid-- & you must

be exorcised! I am heating 4 hot coals & memorizing 14 prayers!

| T R O L L E D!!!!!!!!!

|

| (As if ANY more proof was needed.)

I see no proof that DaffyD® is a troll. He was coming here while you

still were in the Win95 NG. And lots of good information has been posted

to this thread, even if none of it has worked quite yet. It does get

more/more doubtful what to do when the first good suggestions don't

work. That's when unlikely thoughts like an upside-down power connector

might seem reasonable!

| --

| Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to

| reality.

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

January 17, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in

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> thanatoid wrote:

>| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in

>| news:uNr9jC9VIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

>|

>| <SNIP>

>|

>|> Now, I've found a photo...!...

>|> http://www.pcguide.com/byop/byop_PowertoFloppyDrive.htm

>|> Power to Floppy Drive

>|

>| Right, and it ONLY GOES IN ONE WAY!

>

> It seems to me from the photos the power connector can

> possibly go in upside-down with a little bending of

> plastic.

Yes, bending plastic parts and (preferably LOTS of) 4 mm long

thin metal pins are STANDARD procedures when assembling

computers. SIGH.

> And that site, itself, says...!...

> "The floppy makes use of an odd looking power connector."

Hate to break this to you, but "odd-looking" is NOT synonymous

with "will fry the floppy and power supply when plugged in".

> &

> "This is one of the few power connections that can confuse

> new builders."

Hate to break this to you, but "can confuse new builders" is

largely synonymous with "encourage trolls".

> Therefore, I continue to hunt high/low for you, thanatoid--

> & you must be exorcised! I am heating 4 hot coals &

> memorizing 14 prayers!

Prayers don't work on thanatoids, but I DO want off this earth,

so keep up the good work. Why only /4/ hot coals?

>| T R O L L E D!!!!!!!!!

>|

>| (As if ANY more proof was needed.)

> I see no proof that DaffyD® is a troll.

Then you should have your various sensory and processing organs

checked.

> He was coming here

> while you still were in the Win95 NG.

What does THAT have to do anything? I was a polite pleasant

person once too! And I used to shop Safeway for many years! (Not

by choice).

> And lots of good

> information has been posted to this thread, even if none of

> it has worked quite yet.

A lot of it /would/ have worked if someone had tried it on an

actual computer.

> It does get more/more doubtful

> what to do when the first good suggestions don't work.

That's one way to put it.

> That's when unlikely thoughts like an upside-down power

> connector might seem reasonable!

Only DaffyD® could shove that connector (it /would/ take force)

in the wrong way. IF he had a problem with his floppy in the

first place. I tell you, he's a genius troll. You WILL agree,

although - apparently - it MAY take 2 more months of this.

Yet you guys still pamper him. He must be on his third pack of

duck diapers.

--

Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to

reality.

January 17, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

thanatoid wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in

| news:#WJbGCJWIHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

|

|> thanatoid wrote:

|>| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in

|>| news:uNr9jC9VIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

|>|

|>| <SNIP>

|>|

|>|> Now, I've found a photo...!...

|>|> http://www.pcguide.com/byop/byop_PowertoFloppyDrive.htm

|>|> Power to Floppy Drive

|>|

|>| Right, and it ONLY GOES IN ONE WAY!

|>

|> It seems to me from the photos the power connector can

|> possibly go in upside-down with a little bending of

|> plastic.

|

| Yes, bending plastic parts and (preferably LOTS of) 4 mm long

| thin metal pins are STANDARD procedures when assembling

| computers. SIGH.

Well, (although it makes no major difference) the photo at that site

doesn't perfectly match the floppy socket I see on this SONY MPF920-Z I

pulled from a discarded ME-machine. This one has another leg to the

white plastic under the 4 metal prongs, though it is off slightly to the

right. Also, someone said, in this thread or in the other, that there is

variation in floppy plugs & sockets. (I won't open my box just to see

what my own floppy power plug looks like.)

And DaffyD® has said his has gone in both ways & never mentioned he had

to force it! I'm sure he would have said!

|> And that site, itself, says...!...

|> "The floppy makes use of an odd looking power connector."

|

| Hate to break this to you, but "odd-looking" is NOT synonymous

| with "will fry the floppy and power supply when plugged in".

No, it isn't. But someone did post the metal prongs carry different

voltages. OTOH, another did post that the grounds (black wires in the

middle) might somehow prevent damage to the floppy & motherboard. I

don't know. But there is this about certain connections at the

motherboard side...

http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html

All about the various PC power supply cables and connectors

I'm offline & cannot quote it precisely, but it says-- sparks may fly!

|> &

|> "This is one of the few power connections that can confuse

|> new builders."

|

| Hate to break this to you, but "can confuse new builders" is

| largely synonymous with "encourage trolls".

I remain unconvinced that DaffyD® is a troll. He's been here before &

been frustrated before & it hasn't turned him into a troll yet. I

estimate it will take 8 more years before it does!

|> Therefore, I continue to hunt high/low for you, thanatoid--

|> & you must be exorcised! I am heating 4 hot coals &

|> memorizing 14 prayers!

|

| Prayers don't work on thanatoids, but I DO want off this earth,

| so keep up the good work. Why only /4/ hot coals?

They are reusable after they are spit out or come out the other end. No,

no-- SERIOUSLY...

There might be a way for prayers to work. I can believe a placebo kind

of effect can happen just by having someone pray over you or care for

you-- but I'm not qualified to do it! And there are dangers involved.

Some fakes may really just want your money. Or, you may actually be the

fake looking for something. I'm not qualified to know! And I've

forgotten all my prayers, anyhow!

Maybe post your sorry story to a new thread with a warning it may cause

our hair to fall out, & see what happens. I'm offline, or I'd look for a

more appropriate site for you. But who can trust anyone?

|>| T R O L L E D!!!!!!!!!

|>|

|>| (As if ANY more proof was needed.)

|

|> I see no proof that DaffyD® is a troll.

|

| Then you should have your various sensory and processing organs

| checked.

Nah. He has a machine that defies normal measures. After that, anything

goes.

|> He was coming here

|> while you still were in the Win95 NG.

|

| What does THAT have to do anything? I was a polite pleasant

| person once too! And I used to shop Safeway for many years! (Not

| by choice).

Time & familiarity makes a difference.

|> And lots of good

|> information has been posted to this thread, even if none of

|> it has worked quite yet.

|

| A lot of it /would/ have worked if someone had tried it on an

| actual computer.

Not necessarily. Regular fixes don't always work. It could be a

seemingly unrelated part is at fault or that the motherboard has cracked

as glee said.

|> It does get more/more doubtful

|> what to do when the first good suggestions don't work.

|

| That's one way to put it.

|

|> That's when unlikely thoughts like an upside-down power

|> connector might seem reasonable!

|

| Only DaffyD® could shove that connector (it /would/ take force)

| in the wrong way. IF he had a problem with his floppy in the

| first place. I tell you, he's a genius troll. You WILL agree,

| although - apparently - it MAY take 2 more months of this.

|

| Yet you guys still pamper him. He must be on his third pack of

| duck diapers.

I have a friend who shoved in one/two hard drive IDE data cables

upside-down-- & THOSE definitely are shaped to go in one way! It was a

horrible bulge! (I was surprised to see all was well when I reversed

them!)

It could be a variation in the shape of floppy drive plugs made it easy

for DaffyD®. And it wasn't his idea in the first place, IIRC! It's been

a week about since he first posted I think. So, he could legitimately

have reached his 3rd pack of duck diapers-- but I don't know!

| --

| Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to

| reality.

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

January 19, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:uku8z$VWIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> thanatoid wrote:

> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in

> | news:#WJbGCJWIHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> |

> |> thanatoid wrote:

> |>| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in

> |>| news:uNr9jC9VIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> |>|

> |>| <SNIP>

> |>|

> |>|> Now, I've found a photo...!...

> |>|> http://www.pcguide.com/byop/byop_PowertoFloppyDrive.htm

> |>|> Power to Floppy Drive

> |>|

> |>| Right, and it ONLY GOES IN ONE WAY!

> |>

> |> It seems to me from the photos the power connector can

> |> possibly go in upside-down with a little bending of

> |> plastic.

> |

> | Yes, bending plastic parts and (preferably LOTS of) 4 mm long

> | thin metal pins are STANDARD procedures when assembling

> | computers. SIGH.

>

> Well, (although it makes no major difference) the photo at that site

> doesn't perfectly match the floppy socket I see on this SONY MPF920-Z I

> pulled from a discarded ME-machine. This one has another leg to the

> white plastic under the 4 metal prongs, though it is off slightly to the

> right. Also, someone said, in this thread or in the other, that there is

> variation in floppy plugs & sockets. (I won't open my box just to see

> what my own floppy power plug looks like.)

>

> And DaffyD® has said his has gone in both ways & never mentioned he had

> to force it! I'm sure he would have said!

>

> |> And that site, itself, says...!...

> |> "The floppy makes use of an odd looking power connector."

> |

> | Hate to break this to you, but "odd-looking" is NOT synonymous

> | with "will fry the floppy and power supply when plugged in".

>

> No, it isn't. But someone did post the metal prongs carry different

> voltages. OTOH, another did post that the grounds (black wires in the

> middle) might somehow prevent damage to the floppy & motherboard. I

> don't know. But there is this about certain connections at the

> motherboard side...

>

> http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html

> All about the various PC power supply cables and connectors

>

> I'm offline & cannot quote it precisely, but it says-- sparks may fly!

>

> |> &

> |> "This is one of the few power connections that can confuse

> |> new builders."

> |

> | Hate to break this to you, but "can confuse new builders" is

> | largely synonymous with "encourage trolls".

>

> I remain unconvinced that DaffyD® is a troll. He's been here before &

> been frustrated before & it hasn't turned him into a troll yet. I

> estimate it will take 8 more years before it does!

>

> |> Therefore, I continue to hunt high/low for you, thanatoid--

> |> & you must be exorcised! I am heating 4 hot coals &

> |> memorizing 14 prayers!

> |

> | Prayers don't work on thanatoids, but I DO want off this earth,

> | so keep up the good work. Why only /4/ hot coals?

>

> They are reusable after they are spit out or come out the other end. No,

> no-- SERIOUSLY...

>

> There might be a way for prayers to work. I can believe a placebo kind

> of effect can happen just by having someone pray over you or care for

> you-- but I'm not qualified to do it! And there are dangers involved.

> Some fakes may really just want your money. Or, you may actually be the

> fake looking for something. I'm not qualified to know! And I've

> forgotten all my prayers, anyhow!

>

> Maybe post your sorry story to a new thread with a warning it may cause

> our hair to fall out, & see what happens. I'm offline, or I'd look for a

> more appropriate site for you. But who can trust anyone?

>

> |>| T R O L L E D!!!!!!!!!

> |>|

> |>| (As if ANY more proof was needed.)

> |

> |> I see no proof that DaffyD® is a troll.

> |

> | Then you should have your various sensory and processing organs

> | checked.

>

> Nah. He has a machine that defies normal measures. After that, anything

> goes.

>

> |> He was coming here

> |> while you still were in the Win95 NG.

> |

> | What does THAT have to do anything? I was a polite pleasant

> | person once too! And I used to shop Safeway for many years! (Not

> | by choice).

>

> Time & familiarity makes a difference.

>

> |> And lots of good

> |> information has been posted to this thread, even if none of

> |> it has worked quite yet.

> |

> | A lot of it /would/ have worked if someone had tried it on an

> | actual computer.

>

> Not necessarily. Regular fixes don't always work. It could be a

> seemingly unrelated part is at fault or that the motherboard has cracked

> as glee said.

>

> |> It does get more/more doubtful

> |> what to do when the first good suggestions don't work.

> |

> | That's one way to put it.

> |

> |> That's when unlikely thoughts like an upside-down power

> |> connector might seem reasonable!

> |

> | Only DaffyD® could shove that connector (it /would/ take force)

> | in the wrong way. IF he had a problem with his floppy in the

> | first place. I tell you, he's a genius troll. You WILL agree,

> | although - apparently - it MAY take 2 more months of this.

> |

> | Yet you guys still pamper him. He must be on his third pack of

> | duck diapers.

>

> I have a friend who shoved in one/two hard drive IDE data cables

> upside-down-- & THOSE definitely are shaped to go in one way! It was a

> horrible bulge! (I was surprised to see all was well when I reversed

> them!)

>

> It could be a variation in the shape of floppy drive plugs made it easy

> for DaffyD®. And it wasn't his idea in the first place, IIRC! It's been

> a week about since he first posted I think. So, he could legitimately

> have reached his 3rd pack of duck diapers-- but I don't know!

>

> | --

> | Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to

> | reality.

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

> It's a good thing I banished that guy is on my blocked senders list. I

raise my eyebrows at what the duck diapers reference denotes, but I can see

you're on my side so carry on!

Yeah, it has been since the W95 days, hasn't yet. Your typing doesn't seem

to have aged a bit.

And, fyi, I confirmed with the computer shop the right away to plug in the

power connector, and I did it correctly the first time. I think all of the

ideas have been exhausted. I may try the old floppy again and also re-plug

in the power supply. I'll let you know.

>

January 19, 2008

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

DaffyD® wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:uku8z$VWIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

....snip

| It's a good thing I banished that guy is on my blocked senders list.

| I

| raise my eyebrows at what the duck diapers reference denotes, but I

| can see you're on my side so carry on!

|

| Yeah, it has been since the W95 days, hasn't yet. Your typing doesn't

| seem to have aged a bit.

I never doubted you or counted duck diapers. Don't worry, I'll take of

thanatoid. I'm not sure he can even count, anyhow!

|

| And, fyi, I confirmed with the computer shop the right away to plug

| in the power connector, and I did it correctly the first time. I

| think all of the ideas have been exhausted. I may try the old floppy

| again and also re-plug in the power supply. I'll let you know.

Agreed. Keep us informed. When all the regular solutions have all been

tried thrice & failed four times each, it could be almost anything at

fault. And hopefully nothing has gotten even worse by then!

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

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