Guest Greg Horne Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 First of all, I program but have to dabble in setting up our server. I need a server to host web sites, and also allow users to remote desktop to the machine and run desktop applications. I am expecting up to 3 concurrent remote desktop users at any given time, max. Currently, I have 2003 SBS with the 5 included CAL's. It appears I am limited to 2 users being able to remote desktop to the server. I think the purpose of this is for remote administration. SBS does not appear to have Terminal Server, software and/or license, I am not sure. Can I get a Terminal Services license for SBS? If so, then is just a matter of me buying Terminal Server license for my remote users to access? Probably, I need to move to 2003 Standard and purchase Terminal Server license, I think. Does Standard include any Terminal Server licenses? TIA, Greg
Guest Ace Fekay [MVP] Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Re: SBS & Terminal Server Question (Cross-posted to microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs with f/up to both groups) In news:uPXDvALVIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, Greg Horne <greghorne@hotmail.com> typed: > First of all, I program but have to dabble in setting up our server. > > I need a server to host web sites, and also allow users to remote > desktop to the machine and run desktop applications. I am expecting > up to 3 concurrent remote desktop users at any given time, max. > > Currently, I have 2003 SBS with the 5 included CAL's. > > It appears I am limited to 2 users being able to remote desktop to the > server. I think the purpose of this is for remote administration. > > SBS does not appear to have Terminal Server, software and/or license, > I am not sure. > > Can I get a Terminal Services license for SBS? If so, then is just a > matter of me buying Terminal Server license for my remote users to > access? > Probably, I need to move to 2003 Standard and purchase Terminal Server > license, I think. Does Standard include any Terminal Server licenses? > > TIA, > Greg This is better for the SBS group to answer. For the most part, default terminal services only allows two connections for remote admin puproses only. This is called Administrative Mode. To get what you are after is called Application Mode. Yes, you must buy the licenses for it and I;m sure it's the same for SBS as it is with Windows, but we'll let the SBS folks confirm this. -- Regards, Ace This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and confers no rights. Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP Microsoft MVP - Directory Services Microsoft Certified Trainer Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations
Guest Larry Struckmeyer Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Re: SBS & Terminal Server Question Hi: SBS 2003 will not permit TS in application sharing mode. No DC should. You need another system with Windows Server 2003 Standard, or you could run it in a virtual machine on the SBS, but you may not get the performance you hope for, if your SBS is very busy. -- Larry "Ace Fekay [MVP]" <PleaseAskMe@SomeDomain.com> wrote in message news:uc5%23rOMVIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > (Cross-posted to microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs with f/up to both > groups) > > > In news:uPXDvALVIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, > Greg Horne <greghorne@hotmail.com> typed: >> First of all, I program but have to dabble in setting up our server. >> >> I need a server to host web sites, and also allow users to remote >> desktop to the machine and run desktop applications. I am expecting >> up to 3 concurrent remote desktop users at any given time, max. >> >> Currently, I have 2003 SBS with the 5 included CAL's. >> >> It appears I am limited to 2 users being able to remote desktop to the >> server. I think the purpose of this is for remote administration. >> >> SBS does not appear to have Terminal Server, software and/or license, >> I am not sure. >> >> Can I get a Terminal Services license for SBS? If so, then is just a >> matter of me buying Terminal Server license for my remote users to >> access? >> Probably, I need to move to 2003 Standard and purchase Terminal Server >> license, I think. Does Standard include any Terminal Server licenses? >> >> TIA, >> Greg > > This is better for the SBS group to answer. For the most part, default > terminal services only allows two connections for remote admin puproses > only. This is called Administrative Mode. To get what you are after is > called Application Mode. Yes, you must buy the licenses for it and I;m > sure it's the same for SBS as it is with Windows, but we'll let the SBS > folks confirm this. > > > > > -- > Regards, > Ace > > This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and > confers no rights. > > Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, > MVP Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > Microsoft Certified Trainer > > Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations >
Guest Ace Fekay [MVP] Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Re: SBS & Terminal Server Question In news:uK4w$UMVIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl, Larry Struckmeyer <lstruckmeyer(at)mis-wizards(dot)com> typed: > Hi: > > SBS 2003 will not permit TS in application sharing mode. No DC > should. You need another system with Windows Server 2003 Standard, > or you could run it in a virtual machine on the SBS, but you may not > get the performance you hope for, if your SBS is very busy. Larry, Good point about the DC not recommended for such a role. It would also need lots of RAM and multiple CPUs for a true Application Mode server. IIRC, the original NT4 Terminal Server recommened a minimum of 50 megs per avg user, and more for a "power user" as well as quad CPUs. A 15 user system in this case in the old days would require a quad machine with at least 2 gigs of RAM, which back then was limited to high-end machines. I am sure the RAM requirement is doubled or more these days with the current OSs in conjunction with antivirus, antispyware and other apps running in the background in each session. Ace
Guest Joe Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Re: SBS & Terminal Server Question Ace Fekay [MVP] wrote: > In news:uK4w$UMVIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl, > Larry Struckmeyer <lstruckmeyer(at)mis-wizards(dot)com> typed: >> Hi: >> >> SBS 2003 will not permit TS in application sharing mode. No DC >> should. You need another system with Windows Server 2003 Standard, >> or you could run it in a virtual machine on the SBS, but you may not >> get the performance you hope for, if your SBS is very busy. > > Larry, > > Good point about the DC not recommended for such a role. It would also need > lots of RAM and multiple CPUs for a true Application Mode server. IIRC, the > original NT4 Terminal Server recommened a minimum of 50 megs per avg user, > and more for a "power user" as well as quad CPUs. A 15 user system in this > case in the old days would require a quad machine with at least 2 gigs of > RAM, which back then was limited to high-end machines. I am sure the RAM > requirement is doubled or more these days with the current OSs in > conjunction with antivirus, antispyware and other apps running in the > background in each session. > It isn't just resources, SBS has a number of licence restrictions compared with the full Server and this is one of them. On the other hand, one of the SBS party tricks is to route multiple remote RDC requests to XP Pro or VB workstations, one client per box, which satisfies many casual TS requirements.
Guest Ace Fekay [MVP] Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Re: SBS & Terminal Server Question In news:O669ioRVIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> typed: > It isn't just resources, SBS has a number of licence restrictions > compared with the full Server and this is one of them. On the other > hand, one of the SBS party tricks is to route multiple remote RDC > requests to XP Pro or VB workstations, one client per box, which > satisfies many casual TS requirements. I'm glad I cross posted this into the SBS group for the OP. I knew SBS has many restrictions and *features*, but wasn't sure about this one. Thanks, Joe! Ace
Guest Greg Horne Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Re: SBS & Terminal Server Question Thanks for the info all. So, basically I need to buy at least the standard edition of 2003 right? The hardware is new, an Opteron with 4GB on it. As far as my remote users, Normally, we won't see more than 2 users at a given time. The app they will run is not intensive. Basically, they are making changes to map files that are displayed to the web users. Web traffic is very low, maybe 6 users or so logging in throughout the day. Ace, thanks for moving me into the correct newsgroup. Greg "Ace Fekay [MVP]" <PleaseAskMe@SomeDomain.com> wrote in message news:u5QirwXVIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > In news:O669ioRVIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, > Joe <joe@jretrading.com> typed: >> It isn't just resources, SBS has a number of licence restrictions >> compared with the full Server and this is one of them. On the other >> hand, one of the SBS party tricks is to route multiple remote RDC >> requests to XP Pro or VB workstations, one client per box, which >> satisfies many casual TS requirements. > > I'm glad I cross posted this into the SBS group for the OP. I knew SBS has > many restrictions and *features*, but wasn't sure about this one. > > Thanks, Joe! > > Ace >
Guest Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP] Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Re: SBS & Terminal Server Question Greg, if you are only talking about two users at a time, a less expensive option would be a couple of extra workstations that are "dedicated" for remote users. These users would then connect using Remote Web Workplace to those workstations. The key here is that the remote user must log off when their session is complete so that its available for others. But could be cheaper than another server, server license OS and TS licenses. -- Cris Hanna [sBS - MVP] ----------------------------------------------------------- MVPs Do Not Work for Microsoft Please do not contact me directly regarding issues "Greg Horne" <greghorne@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uctK%23KYVIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... Thanks for the info all. So, basically I need to buy at least the standard edition of 2003 right? The hardware is new, an Opteron with 4GB on it. As far as my remote users, Normally, we won't see more than 2 users at a given time. The app they will run is not intensive. Basically, they are making changes to map files that are displayed to the web users. Web traffic is very low, maybe 6 users or so logging in throughout the day. Ace, thanks for moving me into the correct newsgroup. Greg "Ace Fekay [MVP]" <PleaseAskMe@SomeDomain.com> wrote in message news:u5QirwXVIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > In news:O669ioRVIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, > Joe <joe@jretrading.com> typed: >> It isn't just resources, SBS has a number of licence restrictions >> compared with the full Server and this is one of them. On the other >> hand, one of the SBS party tricks is to route multiple remote RDC >> requests to XP Pro or VB workstations, one client per box, which >> satisfies many casual TS requirements. > > I'm glad I cross posted this into the SBS group for the OP. I knew SBS has > many restrictions and *features*, but wasn't sure about this one. > > Thanks, Joe! > > Ace >
Guest Ace Fekay [MVP] Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Re: SBS & Terminal Server Question In news:uctK%23KYVIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, Greg Horne <greghorne@hotmail.com> typed: > Thanks for the info all. > > So, basically I need to buy at least the standard edition of 2003 > right? > The hardware is new, an Opteron with 4GB on it. As far as my remote > users, Normally, we won't see more than 2 users at a given time. The > app they will run is not intensive. Basically, they are making > changes to map files that are displayed to the web users. Web > traffic is very low, maybe 6 users or so logging in throughout the > day. > Ace, thanks for moving me into the correct newsgroup. > > Greg My pleasure Greg. Cris has a good suggestion to avoid additional costs associated with licesing and another server.
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