Guest Steve Posted January 16, 2008 Posted January 16, 2008 This is the history on this debacle: * We have an existing server that we are concerned may be on its last legs. * Rather than waiting for it to die, we are pre-emptively attempting to recreate exactly what we currently have as far as software (both Windows and Applications) goes but on a different machine. * Once this is done and has proved stable, we will wipe the old server and use it as a backup. We have been told that this is permitted under the Microsoft licensing as long as it is a fall back position only and not being used to "cheat" and create two servers. That is all we are trying to do * The server we are pre-emptively replacing had Windows server 2003 and Microsoft Office 2003 on it as well as other unrelated software * As part of the attempt to replicate the server, we became aware that there was a chance that, through no fault or action on our part nor with our knowledge, the copy of Windows Server 2003 may have been illegal. * To ensure that we end up with what we thought we already had, we have purchased a (what to us is an additional) copy of Server 2003, agenuine attempt to get leagel even though we didnt know we weren't * This has been installed * We now wish to install the same functionality for Office 2003, which has always been a legal copy. * Microsoft have changed their licensing rules for Office 2007. * Despite the fact that we have numerous licenses for Office 2007, we are prepared to stick with Office 2003 as that is the system we are trying to replicate. * We are being told by our installer that we need to buy 5-10 copies of Office and cannot use our existing copy (potential cost $4k - $8k) * If our hard drive had already died, we would have be able to re- install exactly what we had (albeit with paying for an additional copy of server 2003 because of past transgressions by a technician). * Why cannot we do this now given this is a pre-emptive install before the hard drive dies and no attempt to end up with any more than we had before Bit long and boring but certaily very frustrating. I just want what I had and am prepared to pay to make the Server 2003 legal (even though I wasnt aware it was illegal in the first place) TIA Steve
Guest Juan Perez Posted January 16, 2008 Posted January 16, 2008 Re: Licensing Issues Hi Steve: In my humble opinion you are doing right. Getting new licenses for windows 2003 server for your new server. But there is two things that I do not understand: 1- Why you want to install Office 2003 in a server? 2- Which reason have given to you by the installer to get a new license of Office 2003 and not just one, but 5-10 new copies? As far as I understand, you can still use your your media and you actual key, to install it. Which kind of licensising do you have for Office 2003? -- Un saludo Juan Perez "Steve" <stevecox4444@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b4d9c8f0-f5ce-46eb-a197-ede04ab43fbd@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com... > This is the history on this debacle: > * We have an existing server that we are concerned may be on its last > legs. > * Rather than waiting for it to die, we are pre-emptively attempting > to recreate exactly what we currently have as far as software (both > Windows and Applications) goes but on a different machine. > * Once this is done and has proved stable, we will wipe the old server > and use it as a backup. We have been told that this is permitted under > the Microsoft licensing as long as it is a fall back position only and > not being used to "cheat" and create two servers. That is all we are > trying to do > * The server we are pre-emptively replacing had Windows server 2003 > and Microsoft Office 2003 on it as well as other unrelated software > * As part of the attempt to replicate the server, we became aware that > there was a chance that, through no fault or action on our part nor > with our knowledge, the copy of Windows Server 2003 may have been > illegal. > * To ensure that we end up with what we thought we already had, we > have purchased a (what to us is an additional) copy of Server 2003, > agenuine attempt to get leagel even though we didnt know we weren't > * This has been installed > * We now wish to install the same functionality for Office 2003, which > has always been a legal copy. > * Microsoft have changed their licensing rules for Office 2007. > * Despite the fact that we have numerous licenses for Office 2007, we > are prepared to stick with Office 2003 as that is the system we are > trying to replicate. > * We are being told by our installer that we need to buy 5-10 > copies of Office and cannot use our existing copy (potential cost $4k > - $8k) > * If our hard drive had already died, we would have be able to re- > install exactly what we had (albeit with paying for an additional copy > of server 2003 because of past transgressions by a technician). > * Why cannot we do this now given this is a pre-emptive install before > the hard drive dies and no attempt to end up with any more than we had > before > > Bit long and boring but certaily very frustrating. I just want what I > had and am prepared to pay to make the Server 2003 legal (even though > I wasnt aware it was illegal in the first place) > TIA > Steve
Guest Meinolf Weber Posted January 16, 2008 Posted January 16, 2008 Re: Licensing Issues Hello Juan, Is the server a Terminal server? Then you also have to think about the client access licenses. Anyway, in your situation i would prepare the new server like you need it, also added to the domain, and if it is ready, connect it to network, disconnect the old one and run a test. If everything is like you aspect you are finished, if not connect the old one and search for the problem. Best regards Meinolf Weber Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > Hi Steve: > > In my humble opinion you are doing right. Getting new licenses for > windows 2003 server for your new server. But there is two things that > I do not understand: > > 1- Why you want to install Office 2003 in a server? > > 2- Which reason have given to you by the installer to get a new > license of Office 2003 and not just one, but 5-10 new copies? As far > as I understand, you can still use your your media and you actual key, > to install it. Which kind of licensising do you have for Office 2003? > > "Steve" <stevecox4444@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:b4d9c8f0-f5ce-46eb-a197-ede04ab43fbd@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com > ... > >> This is the history on this debacle: >> * We have an existing server that we are concerned may be on its last >> legs. >> * Rather than waiting for it to die, we are pre-emptively attempting >> to recreate exactly what we currently have as far as software (both >> Windows and Applications) goes but on a different machine. >> * Once this is done and has proved stable, we will wipe the old >> server >> and use it as a backup. We have been told that this is permitted >> under >> the Microsoft licensing as long as it is a fall back position only >> and >> not being used to "cheat" and create two servers. That is all we are >> trying to do >> * The server we are pre-emptively replacing had Windows server 2003 >> and Microsoft Office 2003 on it as well as other unrelated software >> * As part of the attempt to replicate the server, we became aware >> that >> there was a chance that, through no fault or action on our part nor >> with our knowledge, the copy of Windows Server 2003 may have been >> illegal. >> * To ensure that we end up with what we thought we already had, we >> have purchased a (what to us is an additional) copy of Server 2003, >> agenuine attempt to get leagel even though we didnt know we weren't >> * This has been installed >> * We now wish to install the same functionality for Office 2003, >> which >> has always been a legal copy. >> * Microsoft have changed their licensing rules for Office 2007. >> * Despite the fact that we have numerous licenses for Office 2007, we >> are prepared to stick with Office 2003 as that is the system we are >> trying to replicate. >> * We are being told by our installer that we need to buy 5-10 >> copies of Office and cannot use our existing copy (potential cost $4k >> - $8k) >> * If our hard drive had already died, we would have be able to re- >> install exactly what we had (albeit with paying for an additional >> copy >> of server 2003 because of past transgressions by a technician). >> * Why cannot we do this now given this is a pre-emptive install >> before >> the hard drive dies and no attempt to end up with any more than we >> had >> before >> Bit long and boring but certaily very frustrating. I just want what >> I >> had and am prepared to pay to make the Server 2003 legal (even though >> I wasnt aware it was illegal in the first place) >> TIA >> Steve
Guest Steve Posted January 16, 2008 Posted January 16, 2008 Re: Licensing Issues On Jan 16, 8:05 pm, "Juan Perez" <pgju...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Steve: > > In my humble opinion you are doing right. Getting new licenses for windows > 2003 server for your new server. But there is two things that I do not > understand: > > 1- Why you want to install Office 2003 in a server? > > 2- Which reason have given to you by the installer to get a new license of > Office 2003 and not just one, but 5-10 new copies? As far as I understand, > you can still use your your media and you actual key, to install it. Which > kind of licensising do you have for Office 2003? > > -- > Un saludo > Juan Perez > > "Steve" <stevecox4...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:b4d9c8f0-f5ce-46eb-a197-ede04ab43fbd@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com... > > > > > This is the history on this debacle: > > * We have an existing server that we are concerned may be on its last > > legs. > > * Rather than waiting for it to die, we are pre-emptively attempting > > to recreate exactly what we currently have as far as software (both > > Windows and Applications) goes but on a different machine. > > * Once this is done and has proved stable, we will wipe the old server > > and use it as a backup. We have been told that this is permitted under > > the Microsoft licensing as long as it is a fall back position only and > > not being used to "cheat" and create two servers. That is all we are > > trying to do > > * The server we are pre-emptively replacing had Windows server 2003 > > and Microsoft Office 2003 on it as well as other unrelated software > > * As part of the attempt to replicate the server, we became aware that > > there was a chance that, through no fault or action on our part nor > > with our knowledge, the copy of Windows Server 2003 may have been > > illegal. > > * To ensure that we end up with what we thought we already had, we > > have purchased a (what to us is an additional) copy of Server 2003, > > agenuine attempt to get leagel even though we didnt know we weren't > > * This has been installed > > * We now wish to install the same functionality for Office 2003, which > > has always been a legal copy. > > * Microsoft have changed their licensing rules for Office 2007. > > * Despite the fact that we have numerous licenses for Office 2007, we > > are prepared to stick with Office 2003 as that is the system we are > > trying to replicate. > > * We are being told by our installer that we need to buy 5-10 > > copies of Office and cannot use our existing copy (potential cost $4k > > - $8k) > > * If our hard drive had already died, we would have be able to re- > > install exactly what we had (albeit with paying for an additional copy > > of server 2003 because of past transgressions by a technician). > > * Why cannot we do this now given this is a pre-emptive install before > > the hard drive dies and no attempt to end up with any more than we had > > before > > > Bit long and boring but certaily very frustrating. I just want what I > > had and am prepared to pay to make the Server 2003 legal (even though > > I wasnt aware it was illegal in the first place) > > TIA > > Steve- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Why run ofice on server The server is located 3,000 miles away and I need to run a large database that interrogates our accounting system from both here and sometimes other countries. Doing this via Terminal Server has worked wonderfully for the last 5 years. (we used to have Server 2000, a legal copy and when an outside technician on site upgraded it to 2003, he apparently used an illegal copy) Why 5-10 copies. Whilst we have had a number of copies of Office 2003, through bad filing, the only one that can be found is an OEM version. The installer tells me he cannot install OEM versions even though I am buying a new computer from him for this. I have 12 OEM licenses for Office 2007. The installer tells me this version of Office 2007 cannot be installed on a server and I must buy a volume license (min 5 users, and possible one copy for each user (10 people, irrespective of if they actually use it or not) to install this, @ almost $800 per license. When I suggested he just re-install 2003 he claimed that that would breach his cerification requirements with Microsoft and to remain certified, he was obliged to report this to Microsoft. There are no new copies of Office 2003 available in Australia (while I obviously havent checked every shop, my checking was very thorough). I am now trying to buy a copy from eBay and hoping I can get a legal one, the installer will co-operate and I can get it in a reasonable period of time. We had a small window to do this install so I am fairly annoyed this BS has come up at the last minute
Guest Juan Perez Posted January 17, 2008 Posted January 17, 2008 Re: Licensing Issues Hi Steve: You are right. If the Office 2003 are OEM version, they are attached to the original server, where they were installed at first time. If you plan to get a Office 2003 throught E-Bay, be careful. A big amount of the offers are pirate copies not even with a original media. I do not know if there is any chance you can a "second hand" copy with 5-10 licenses. I found something interesting regarding a possible option to downgrade your volume Office 2007 licenses: download.microsoft.com/download/d/2/3/d23b9533-169d-4996-b198-7b9d3fe15611/downgrade_chart.doc " Which 2007 Microsoft Office system suites are eligible to downgrade to Office 2003 suites? Customers who have licensed Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2007 are eligible to downgrade to Office Professional Enterprise 2003 and all previous versions as described above. Customers who have licensed Microsoft Office Standard 2007 are eligible to downgrade to Office Standard Edition 2003 and all previous versions of Office Standard Edition. " Maybe you should check that with MS Australia. Please, keep us post.Thanks. -- Un saludo Juan Perez "Steve" <stevecox4444@gmail.com> wrote in message news:effc8dd7-529e-4e87-bf44-beb304b190dc@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jan 16, 8:05 pm, "Juan Perez" <pgju...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Steve: > > In my humble opinion you are doing right. Getting new licenses for windows > 2003 server for your new server. But there is two things that I do not > understand: > > 1- Why you want to install Office 2003 in a server? > > 2- Which reason have given to you by the installer to get a new license of > Office 2003 and not just one, but 5-10 new copies? As far as I understand, > you can still use your your media and you actual key, to install it. Which > kind of licensising do you have for Office 2003? > > -- > Un saludo > Juan Perez > > "Steve" <stevecox4...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:b4d9c8f0-f5ce-46eb-a197-ede04ab43fbd@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com... > > > > > This is the history on this debacle: > > * We have an existing server that we are concerned may be on its last > > legs. > > * Rather than waiting for it to die, we are pre-emptively attempting > > to recreate exactly what we currently have as far as software (both > > Windows and Applications) goes but on a different machine. > > * Once this is done and has proved stable, we will wipe the old server > > and use it as a backup. We have been told that this is permitted under > > the Microsoft licensing as long as it is a fall back position only and > > not being used to "cheat" and create two servers. That is all we are > > trying to do > > * The server we are pre-emptively replacing had Windows server 2003 > > and Microsoft Office 2003 on it as well as other unrelated software > > * As part of the attempt to replicate the server, we became aware that > > there was a chance that, through no fault or action on our part nor > > with our knowledge, the copy of Windows Server 2003 may have been > > illegal. > > * To ensure that we end up with what we thought we already had, we > > have purchased a (what to us is an additional) copy of Server 2003, > > agenuine attempt to get leagel even though we didnt know we weren't > > * This has been installed > > * We now wish to install the same functionality for Office 2003, which > > has always been a legal copy. > > * Microsoft have changed their licensing rules for Office 2007. > > * Despite the fact that we have numerous licenses for Office 2007, we > > are prepared to stick with Office 2003 as that is the system we are > > trying to replicate. > > * We are being told by our installer that we need to buy 5-10 > > copies of Office and cannot use our existing copy (potential cost $4k > > - $8k) > > * If our hard drive had already died, we would have be able to re- > > install exactly what we had (albeit with paying for an additional copy > > of server 2003 because of past transgressions by a technician). > > * Why cannot we do this now given this is a pre-emptive install before > > the hard drive dies and no attempt to end up with any more than we had > > before > > > Bit long and boring but certaily very frustrating. I just want what I > > had and am prepared to pay to make the Server 2003 legal (even though > > I wasnt aware it was illegal in the first place) > > TIA > > Steve- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Why run ofice on server The server is located 3,000 miles away and I need to run a large database that interrogates our accounting system from both here and sometimes other countries. Doing this via Terminal Server has worked wonderfully for the last 5 years. (we used to have Server 2000, a legal copy and when an outside technician on site upgraded it to 2003, he apparently used an illegal copy) Why 5-10 copies. Whilst we have had a number of copies of Office 2003, through bad filing, the only one that can be found is an OEM version. The installer tells me he cannot install OEM versions even though I am buying a new computer from him for this. I have 12 OEM licenses for Office 2007. The installer tells me this version of Office 2007 cannot be installed on a server and I must buy a volume license (min 5 users, and possible one copy for each user (10 people, irrespective of if they actually use it or not) to install this, @ almost $800 per license. When I suggested he just re-install 2003 he claimed that that would breach his cerification requirements with Microsoft and to remain certified, he was obliged to report this to Microsoft. There are no new copies of Office 2003 available in Australia (while I obviously havent checked every shop, my checking was very thorough). I am now trying to buy a copy from eBay and hoping I can get a legal one, the installer will co-operate and I can get it in a reasonable period of time. We had a small window to do this install so I am fairly annoyed this BS has come up at the last minute
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