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I tried to install a program on a Win98SE computer. The program is

essentially a GUI to telnet into sites.

 

When I installed it, it didn't seem to install; that is I couldn't

find any name or icon to click on to launch the program.

 

Unfortunately, it wiped out my wireless connection, and Avast. I

tried to reinstall Avast to no avail. I ran WinDoctor, I went to

regedit and deleted all references to the program, I couldn't find it

in Add/Remove programs so I deleted the couple of files it put in the

Windows directory, I deleted Avast with Add/Remove, and then I did a

defrag.

 

I got a brand new download of Avast and tried to install it. It got

almost installed and I got an error "AHPOPWZ caused an error...." but

when I said OK to the error message, Avast said it had been installed

and I needed to restart. I said OK.

 

When I restarted I got an error that said "ASHSERV caused an invalid

page error in module KERNEL.DLL". I said OK and then I got a message

"The WS2_32.DLL file is linked to missing export

WS32HELP.DLL:WahWaitForNotification". I clicked OK and all of my

other programs seem to run alright. Still no Avast or no wireless

network icon.

 

Does any one know what these error messages mean and how I can correct

the problem(s)?

 

Thanks

 

Henry

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Re: Strange error messages

 

 

If you would, please advise what the program was, and what files you

deleted.

 

 

"Henry" <wa0goz@arrl.net> wrote in message

news:6aqdnbcXF7mYYBLanZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...

| I tried to install a program on a Win98SE computer. The program is

| essentially a GUI to telnet into sites.

|

| When I installed it, it didn't seem to install; that is I couldn't

| find any name or icon to click on to launch the program.

|

| Unfortunately, it wiped out my wireless connection, and Avast. I

| tried to reinstall Avast to no avail. I ran WinDoctor, I went to

| regedit and deleted all references to the program, I couldn't find it

| in Add/Remove programs so I deleted the couple of files it put in the

| Windows directory, I deleted Avast with Add/Remove, and then I did a

| defrag.

|

| I got a brand new download of Avast and tried to install it. It got

| almost installed and I got an error "AHPOPWZ caused an error...." but

| when I said OK to the error message, Avast said it had been installed

| and I needed to restart. I said OK.

|

| When I restarted I got an error that said "ASHSERV caused an invalid

| page error in module KERNEL.DLL". I said OK and then I got a message

| "The WS2_32.DLL file is linked to missing export

| WS32HELP.DLL:WahWaitForNotification". I clicked OK and all of my

| other programs seem to run alright. Still no Avast or no wireless

| network icon.

|

| Does any one know what these error messages mean and how I can correct

| the problem(s)?

|

| Thanks

|

| Henry

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Strange error messages

 

What program? Is it supported in Win98? What was the installation source?

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

 

Henry wrote:

> I tried to install a program on a Win98SE computer. The program is

> essentially a GUI to telnet into sites.

>

> When I installed it, it didn't seem to install; that is I couldn't

> find any name or icon to click on to launch the program.

>

> Unfortunately, it wiped out my wireless connection, and Avast. I

> tried to reinstall Avast to no avail. I ran WinDoctor, I went to

> regedit and deleted all references to the program, I couldn't find it

> in Add/Remove programs so I deleted the couple of files it put in the

> Windows directory, I deleted Avast with Add/Remove, and then I did a

> defrag.

>

> I got a brand new download of Avast and tried to install it. It got

> almost installed and I got an error "AHPOPWZ caused an error...." but

> when I said OK to the error message, Avast said it had been installed

> and I needed to restart. I said OK.

>

> When I restarted I got an error that said "ASHSERV caused an invalid

> page error in module KERNEL.DLL". I said OK and then I got a message

> "The WS2_32.DLL file is linked to missing export

> WS32HELP.DLL:WahWaitForNotification". I clicked OK and all of my

> other programs seem to run alright. Still no Avast or no wireless

> network icon.

>

> Does any one know what these error messages mean and how I can correct

> the problem(s)?

>

> Thanks

>

> Henry

Guest Henry

Guest Henry

Posted
Posted

Re: Strange error messages

 

It's a ham radio program called "ve7cc", used by many other hams, and

is said to work from Win98 through WinXP

 

Henry

 

 

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> What program? Is it supported in Win98? What was the installation source?

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Strange error messages

 

To keep track of things, it helps immensely if you include all of previous

message(s) in your replies to the newsgroup. Thank you.

 

Did you download the application from http://www.bcdxc.org/ or did someone

give you a copy of it?

 

Did you install CC User Full Version (ver 2.3500) and then install CC User

Update (ver 2.3600) (cf. http://www.ve7cc.net/#download)?

~~

~PA Bear

 

Henry wrote:

> It's a ham radio program called "ve7cc", used by many other hams, and

> is said to work from Win98 through WinXP

>

> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>> What program? Is it supported in Win98? What was the installation

>> source?

<paste>

> Henry wrote:

>> I tried to install a program on a Win98SE computer. The program is

>> essentially a GUI to telnet into sites.

>>

>> When I installed it, it didn't seem to install; that is I couldn't

>> find any name or icon to click on to launch the program.

>>

>> Unfortunately, it wiped out my wireless connection, and Avast. I

>> tried to reinstall Avast to no avail. I ran WinDoctor, I went to

>> regedit and deleted all references to the program, I couldn't find it

>> in Add/Remove programs so I deleted the couple of files it put in the

>> Windows directory, I deleted Avast with Add/Remove, and then I did a

>> defrag.

>>

>> I got a brand new download of Avast and tried to install it. It got

>> almost installed and I got an error "AHPOPWZ caused an error...." but

>> when I said OK to the error message, Avast said it had been installed

>> and I needed to restart. I said OK.

>>

>> When I restarted I got an error that said "ASHSERV caused an invalid

>> page error in module KERNEL.DLL". I said OK and then I got a message

>> "The WS2_32.DLL file is linked to missing export

>> WS32HELP.DLL:WahWaitForNotification". I clicked OK and all of my

>> other programs seem to run alright. Still no Avast or no wireless

>> network icon.

>>

>> Does any one know what these error messages mean and how I can correct

>> the problem(s)?

Guest Henry

Guest Henry

Posted
Posted

Re: Strange error messages

 

As far as I know, all of the previous messages are in the replies.

 

 

I downloaded it from http://www.ve7cc.net/

 

I downloaded CC User Full Version (ver 2.3500) and because of the way

it screwed up my machine I did not dowload and install the User Update

(ver 2.3600)

 

Henry

 

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> To keep track of things, it helps immensely if you include all of

> previous message(s) in your replies to the newsgroup. Thank you.

>

> Did you download the application from http://www.bcdxc.org/ or did

> someone give you a copy of it?

>

> Did you install CC User Full Version (ver 2.3500) and then install CC

> User Update (ver 2.3600) (cf. http://www.ve7cc.net/#download)?

> ~~

> ~PA Bear

>

> Henry wrote:

>

>> It's a ham radio program called "ve7cc", used by many other hams, and

>> is said to work from Win98 through WinXP

>>

>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>

>>> What program? Is it supported in Win98? What was the installation

>>> source?

>

> <paste>

>

>> Henry wrote:

>>

>>> I tried to install a program on a Win98SE computer. The program is

>>> essentially a GUI to telnet into sites.

>>>

>>> When I installed it, it didn't seem to install; that is I couldn't

>>> find any name or icon to click on to launch the program.

>>>

>>> Unfortunately, it wiped out my wireless connection, and Avast. I

>>> tried to reinstall Avast to no avail. I ran WinDoctor, I went to

>>> regedit and deleted all references to the program, I couldn't find it

>>> in Add/Remove programs so I deleted the couple of files it put in the

>>> Windows directory, I deleted Avast with Add/Remove, and then I did a

>>> defrag.

>>>

>>> I got a brand new download of Avast and tried to install it. It got

>>> almost installed and I got an error "AHPOPWZ caused an error...." but

>>> when I said OK to the error message, Avast said it had been installed

>>> and I needed to restart. I said OK.

>>>

>>> When I restarted I got an error that said "ASHSERV caused an invalid

>>> page error in module KERNEL.DLL". I said OK and then I got a message

>>> "The WS2_32.DLL file is linked to missing export

>>> WS32HELP.DLL:WahWaitForNotification". I clicked OK and all of my

>>> other programs seem to run alright. Still no Avast or no wireless

>>> network icon.

>>>

>>> Does any one know what these error messages mean and how I can correct

>>> the problem(s)?

>

>

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Strange error messages

 

You *may* be able to use Scanreg /restore to undo these changes. See

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=221512

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

 

 

Henry wrote:

> As far as I know, all of the previous messages are in the replies.

>

>

> I downloaded it from http://www.ve7cc.net/

>

> I downloaded CC User Full Version (ver 2.3500) and because of the way

> it screwed up my machine I did not dowload and install the User Update

> (ver 2.3600)

>

> Henry

>

>

> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>> To keep track of things, it helps immensely if you include all of

>> previous message(s) in your replies to the newsgroup. Thank you.

>>

>> Did you download the application from http://www.bcdxc.org/ or did

>> someone give you a copy of it?

>>

>> Did you install CC User Full Version (ver 2.3500) and then install CC

>> User Update (ver 2.3600) (cf. http://www.ve7cc.net/#download)?

>> ~~

>> ~PA Bear

>>

>> Henry wrote:

>>

>>> It's a ham radio program called "ve7cc", used by many other hams, and

>>> is said to work from Win98 through WinXP

>>>

>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>>

>>>> What program? Is it supported in Win98? What was the installation

>>>> source?

>>

>> <paste>

>>

>>> Henry wrote:

>>>

>>>> I tried to install a program on a Win98SE computer. The program is

>>>> essentially a GUI to telnet into sites.

>>>>

>>>> When I installed it, it didn't seem to install; that is I couldn't

>>>> find any name or icon to click on to launch the program.

>>>>

>>>> Unfortunately, it wiped out my wireless connection, and Avast. I

>>>> tried to reinstall Avast to no avail. I ran WinDoctor, I went to

>>>> regedit and deleted all references to the program, I couldn't find it

>>>> in Add/Remove programs so I deleted the couple of files it put in the

>>>> Windows directory, I deleted Avast with Add/Remove, and then I did a

>>>> defrag.

>>>>

>>>> I got a brand new download of Avast and tried to install it. It got

>>>> almost installed and I got an error "AHPOPWZ caused an error...." but

>>>> when I said OK to the error message, Avast said it had been installed

>>>> and I needed to restart. I said OK.

>>>>

>>>> When I restarted I got an error that said "ASHSERV caused an invalid

>>>> page error in module KERNEL.DLL". I said OK and then I got a message

>>>> "The WS2_32.DLL file is linked to missing export

>>>> WS32HELP.DLL:WahWaitForNotification". I clicked OK and all of my

>>>> other programs seem to run alright. Still no Avast or no wireless

>>>> network icon.

>>>>

>>>> Does any one know what these error messages mean and how I can correct

>>>> the problem(s)?

Guest Henry

Guest Henry

Posted
Posted

Re: Strange error messages

 

I tried that and it didn't work. I couldn't go back far enough. I

tried scanreg /fix and it didn't work either.

 

Henry

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> You *may* be able to use Scanreg /restore to undo these changes. See

> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=221512

Guest ... et al.

Guest ... et al.

Posted
Posted

Re: Strange error messages

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> To keep track of things, it helps immensely if you include all of

> previous message(s) in your replies to the newsgroup. Thank you.

>

> Did you download the application from http://www.bcdxc.org/ or did

> someone give you a copy of it?

>

> Did you install CC User Full Version (ver 2.3500) and then install CC

> User Update (ver 2.3600) (cf. http://www.ve7cc.net/#download)?

> ~~

> ~PA Bear

>

> Henry wrote:

>> It's a ham radio program called "ve7cc", used by many other hams, and

>> is said to work from Win98 through WinXP

>>

>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>> What program? Is it supported in Win98? What was the installation

>>> source?

> <paste>

>> Henry wrote:

>>> I tried to install a program on a Win98SE computer. The program is

>>> essentially a GUI to telnet into sites.

>>>

>>> When I installed it, it didn't seem to install; that is I couldn't

>>> find any name or icon to click on to launch the program.

>>>

>>> Unfortunately, it wiped out my wireless connection, and Avast. I

>>> tried to reinstall Avast to no avail. I ran WinDoctor, I went to

>>> regedit and deleted all references to the program, I couldn't find it

>>> in Add/Remove programs so I deleted the couple of files it put in the

>>> Windows directory, I deleted Avast with Add/Remove, and then I did a

>>> defrag.

>>>

>>> I got a brand new download of Avast and tried to install it. It got

>>> almost installed and I got an error "AHPOPWZ caused an error...." but

>>> when I said OK to the error message, Avast said it had been installed

>>> and I needed to restart. I said OK.

>>>

>>> When I restarted I got an error that said "ASHSERV caused an invalid

>>> page error in module KERNEL.DLL". I said OK and then I got a message

>>> "The WS2_32.DLL file is linked to missing export

>>> WS32HELP.DLL:WahWaitForNotification". I clicked OK and all of my

>>> other programs seem to run alright. Still no Avast or no wireless

>>> network icon.

>>>

>>> Does any one know what these error messages mean and how I can correct

>>> the problem(s)?

>

 

 

--

Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.

 

Please followup in the newsgroup.

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Guest ... et al.

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Re: Strange error messages

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> To keep track of things, it helps immensely if you include all of

> previous message(s) in your replies to the newsgroup. Thank you.

>

 

Harry did include the full body of your post in his followup.

¡You know this fully well! You just need to configure your

news-client to format its posts properly. You're Welcome.

 

[snip]

> ~~

> ~PA Bear

 

Hey! Look at this all of a sudden. That was quick. :-)

 

> Henry wrote:

 

[snip]

 

--

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Guest Gary S. Terhune

Guest Gary S. Terhune

Posted
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Re: Strange error messages

 

Henry's first reply (15:26 UTC) to Robear did not include all of the

previous content. Robear <pasted> in the previous stuff in his subsequent

reply (18:02 UTC).

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message

news:u9PaRlkWIHA.1376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>

>> To keep track of things, it helps immensely if you include all of

>> previous message(s) in your replies to the newsgroup. Thank you.

>>

>

> Harry did include the full body of your post in his followup. ¡You know

> this fully well! You just need to configure your news-client to format its

> posts properly. You're Welcome.

>

Guest ... et al.

Guest ... et al.

Posted
Posted

Re: Strange error messages

 

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Henry's first reply (15:26 UTC) to Robear did not include all of the

> previous content.

 

Of course it didn't and that was not what i said. Of course, you

can not see in this reply what i said because, just like 'PA

Bear', you use the same news-client that is intentionally broken

to cause 'content-omissions' from people they communicate with if

these people use any well-behaving news-client.

> Robear <pasted> in the previous stuff in his

> subsequent reply (18:02 UTC).

 

Yes, 'PA Bear' did. Furthermore, 'PA Bear' also manually ( for

that post only ) modified the signature-delimiter so that the

next reply from 'Henry' not only included the full body of what

he replied to (which was done also in the first reply and which

what i claimed in my post) but also included all of the 'content'.

 

Note! Henry didn't change anything to get things to work since

there was never anything wrong at that end. 'PA Bear'

/temporarily/ corrected the broken posting-style of 'Outlook

Express'.

 

The interesting question is why, knowing the above, 'PA Bear'

while helping different people at the same time inaccurately

accuses them of doing wrong by omitting things in their replies.

 

 

--

"Broken lines, broken strings,

Broken threads, broken springs,"

 

Please followup in the newsgroup.

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Guest Gary S. Terhune

Guest Gary S. Terhune

Posted
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Re: Strange error messages

 

Oh, we're into that "well-behaved" newsreader thing again, eh? I find it

hard to believe that OE deletes any content from incoming messages, or from

replies. I have yet to see mine do it. If your "well-behaved" newsreader is

having problems dealing with that, or with any other such issues, seems to

me that's a problem with being "well-behaved".

 

Seems that Google News also deletes such content. What DO your

"well-behaved" newsreaders insert, anyway, that would piss off Google and OE

so badly?

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message

news:Om9llgyWIHA.5132@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>

>> Henry's first reply (15:26 UTC) to Robear did not include all of the

>> previous content.

>

> Of course it didn't and that was not what i said. Of course, you can not

> see in this reply what i said because, just like 'PA Bear', you use the

> same news-client that is intentionally broken to cause 'content-omissions'

> from people they communicate with if these people use any well-behaving

> news-client.

>

>> Robear <pasted> in the previous stuff in his subsequent reply (18:02

>> UTC).

>

> Yes, 'PA Bear' did. Furthermore, 'PA Bear' also manually ( for that post

> only ) modified the signature-delimiter so that the next reply from

> 'Henry' not only included the full body of what he replied to (which was

> done also in the first reply and which what i claimed in my post) but also

> included all of the 'content'.

>

> Note! Henry didn't change anything to get things to work since there was

> never anything wrong at that end. 'PA Bear' /temporarily/ corrected the

> broken posting-style of 'Outlook Express'.

>

> The interesting question is why, knowing the above, 'PA Bear' while

> helping different people at the same time inaccurately accuses them of

> doing wrong by omitting things in their replies.

>

>

> --

> "Broken lines, broken strings,

> Broken threads, broken springs,"

>

> Please followup in the newsgroup.

> E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Strange error messages

 

Give it a rest, will ya? Jeez...

 

.... et al. wrote:

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>

>> Henry's first reply (15:26 UTC) to Robear did not include all of the

>> previous content.

>

> Of course it didn't and that was not what i said. Of course, you

> can not see in this reply what i said because, just like 'PA

> Bear', you use the same news-client that is intentionally broken

> to cause 'content-omissions' from people they communicate with if

> these people use any well-behaving news-client.

>

>> Robear <pasted> in the previous stuff in his

>> subsequent reply (18:02 UTC).

>

> Yes, 'PA Bear' did. Furthermore, 'PA Bear' also manually ( for

> that post only ) modified the signature-delimiter so that the

> next reply from 'Henry' not only included the full body of what

> he replied to (which was done also in the first reply and which

> what i claimed in my post) but also included all of the 'content'.

>

> Note! Henry didn't change anything to get things to work since

> there was never anything wrong at that end. 'PA Bear'

> /temporarily/ corrected the broken posting-style of 'Outlook

> Express'.

>

> The interesting question is why, knowing the above, 'PA Bear'

> while helping different people at the same time inaccurately

> accuses them of doing wrong by omitting things in their replies.

Guest glee

Guest glee

Posted
Posted

Re: Strange error messages

 

It's the old top-or-bottom post whinge again, Gary, or so it seems. OE top-posts by

default, so the latest signature is at the end of the uppermost reply. The

so-called "well-behaved" newsreaders are set by default to delete text below the

signature delimiter (two dashes followed by a space followed by a Return, such as

you and I and Robear use).....the original idea being to remove the sometimes

overlong signatures in posts, from subsequent replies, IF only bottom posting was

used throughout.

 

The actual problem is the fact that the users of these so-called well-behaved

readers are apparently not capable of changing the setting to accommodate the

variety of posting methods in use today: top, bottom, and inline....all of which are

valid forms, as you know. These self-appointed 'net police would rather whine about

others not using the only posting method *they* approve.

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

http://dts-l.net/

http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

 

 

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:e2RPpFzWIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Oh, we're into that "well-behaved" newsreader thing again, eh? I find it hard to

> believe that OE deletes any content from incoming messages, or from replies. I

> have yet to see mine do it. If your "well-behaved" newsreader is having problems

> dealing with that, or with any other such issues, seems to me that's a problem

> with being "well-behaved".

>

> Seems that Google News also deletes such content. What DO your "well-behaved"

> newsreaders insert, anyway, that would piss off Google and OE so badly?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message

> news:Om9llgyWIHA.5132@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>

>>> Henry's first reply (15:26 UTC) to Robear did not include all of the previous

>>> content.

>>

>> Of course it didn't and that was not what i said. Of course, you can not see in

>> this reply what i said because, just like 'PA Bear', you use the same news-client

>> that is intentionally broken to cause 'content-omissions' from people they

>> communicate with if these people use any well-behaving news-client.

>>

>>> Robear <pasted> in the previous stuff in his subsequent reply (18:02 UTC).

>>

>> Yes, 'PA Bear' did. Furthermore, 'PA Bear' also manually ( for that post only )

>> modified the signature-delimiter so that the next reply from 'Henry' not only

>> included the full body of what he replied to (which was done also in the first

>> reply and which what i claimed in my post) but also included all of the

>> 'content'.

>>

>> Note! Henry didn't change anything to get things to work since there was never

>> anything wrong at that end. 'PA Bear' /temporarily/ corrected the broken

>> posting-style of 'Outlook Express'.

>>

>> The interesting question is why, knowing the above, 'PA Bear' while helping

>> different people at the same time inaccurately accuses them of doing wrong by

>> omitting things in their replies.

>>

>>

>> --

>> "Broken lines, broken strings,

>> Broken threads, broken springs,"

>>

>> Please followup in the newsgroup.

>> E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.

>

Guest Buffalo

Guest Buffalo

Posted
Posted

Re: Strange error messages

 

Shame of you for top-posting.

 

> glee wrote:

> It's the old top-or-bottom post whinge again, Gary, or so it seems.

> OE top-posts by default, so the latest signature is at the end of the

> uppermost reply. The so-called "well-behaved" newsreaders are set by

> default to delete text below the signature delimiter (two dashes

> followed by a space followed by a Return, such as you and I and

> Robear use).....the original idea being to remove the sometimes

> overlong signatures in posts, from subsequent replies, IF only bottom

> posting was used throughout.

>

> The actual problem is the fact that the users of these so-called

> well-behaved readers are apparently not capable of changing the

> setting to accommodate the variety of posting methods in use today:

> top, bottom, and inline....all of which are valid forms, as you know.

> These self-appointed 'net police would rather whine about others not

> using the only posting method *they* approve.

 

Shame on those that bottom-post.

 

Shame on those that don't post. :)

 

Shame on those that use OE.

 

Shame on those that don't use OE.

 

Shame on me.

 

Oh, the shame of it all.

Guest glee

Guest glee

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"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

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> Shame of you for top-posting.

>

< snip of relevant quoted material from previous reply, snipped to appease yet

another standard whinge about not snipping, even though quoted material aids those

readers who are unable to see the whole thread >

>

> Shame on those that bottom-post.

>

> Shame on those that don't post. :)

>

> Shame on those that use OE.

>

> Shame on those that don't use OE.

>

> Shame on me.

>

> Oh, the shame of it all.

 

I agree 100%! ;-)

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Re: Strange error messages

 

glee wrote:

> It's the old top-or-bottom post whinge again, Gary, or so it seems.

 

It may seem like it but, since it was you and me that went

through this last time around, you know it isn't.

 

> OE

> top-posts by default, so the latest signature is at the end of the

> uppermost reply. The so-called "well-behaved" newsreaders are set by

> default to delete text below the signature delimiter (two dashes

> followed by a space followed by a Return, such as you and I and Robear

> use).....the original idea being to remove the sometimes overlong

> signatures in posts, from subsequent replies, IF only bottom posting was

> used throughout.

 

That's about it, except for it NOT being about top- vs.

bottom-posting. It's about OE, when constructing a reply, putting

'content'/'quoted text' in the footer/signature. Stupid, but so

be it i suppose. But don't then complain about it to your

conversation-partner if the news-clients he/she uses follows

standard practices.

 

> The actual problem is the fact that the users of these so-called

> well-behaved readers are apparently not capable of changing the setting

> to accommodate the variety of posting methods in use today: top, bottom,

> and inline....all of which are valid forms, as you know. These

> self-appointed 'net police would rather whine about others not using the

> only posting method *they* approve.

 

Ah, come on now! When do i ever try to police the way Gary, you

OR Robear posts? I on occasion stand up for the bullied,

hopefully getting across that it is not anything wrong that they

do, that is causing them to be barked at.

 

> --

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

> http://dts-l.net/

> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

>

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:e2RPpFzWIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Oh, we're into that "well-behaved" newsreader thing again, eh? I find it hard to believe that OE deletes any content from incoming messages, or from replies. I have yet to see mine do it. If your "well-behaved" newsreader is having problems dealing with that, or with any other such issues, seems to me that's a problem with being "well-behaved".

>>

>> Seems that Google News also deletes such content. What DO your "well-behaved" newsreaders insert, anyway, that would piss off Google and OE so badly?

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>

>> "... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message news:Om9llgyWIHA.5132@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>

>>>> Henry's first reply (15:26 UTC) to Robear did not include all of the previous content.

>>>

>>> Of course it didn't and that was not what i said. Of course, you can not see in this reply what i said because, just like 'PA Bear', you use the same news-client that is intentionally broken to cause 'content-omissions' from people they communicate with if these people use any well-behaving news-client.

>>>

>>>> Robear <pasted> in the previous stuff in his subsequent reply (18:02 UTC).

>>>

>>> Yes, 'PA Bear' did. Furthermore, 'PA Bear' also manually ( for that post only ) modified the signature-delimiter so that the next reply from 'Henry' not only included the full body of what he replied to (which was done also in the first reply and which what i claimed in my post) but also included all of the 'content'.

>>>

>>> Note! Henry didn't change anything to get things to work since there was never anything wrong at that end. 'PA Bear' /temporarily/ corrected the broken posting-style of 'Outlook Express'.

>>>

>>> The interesting question is why, knowing the above, 'PA Bear' while helping different people at the same time inaccurately accuses them of doing wrong by omitting things in their replies.

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>> "Broken lines, broken strings,

>>> Broken threads, broken springs,"

>>>

>>> Please followup in the newsgroup.

>>> E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.

>>

 

 

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Re: Strange error messages

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> Give it a rest, will ya? Jeez...

 

:-) Gladly.

 

:-( See you next time around, i suppose.

 

> ... et al. wrote:

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>

>>> Henry's first reply (15:26 UTC) to Robear did not include all of the

>>> previous content.

>>

>> Of course it didn't and that was not what i said. Of course, you

>> can not see in this reply what i said because, just like 'PA

>> Bear', you use the same news-client that is intentionally broken

>> to cause 'content-omissions' from people they communicate with if

>> these people use any well-behaving news-client.

>>

>>> Robear <pasted> in the previous stuff in his

>>> subsequent reply (18:02 UTC).

>>

>> Yes, 'PA Bear' did. Furthermore, 'PA Bear' also manually ( for

>> that post only ) modified the signature-delimiter so that the

>> next reply from 'Henry' not only included the full body of what

>> he replied to (which was done also in the first reply and which

>> what i claimed in my post) but also included all of the 'content'.

>>

>> Note! Henry didn't change anything to get things to work since

>> there was never anything wrong at that end. 'PA Bear'

>> /temporarily/ corrected the broken posting-style of 'Outlook

>> Express'.

>>

>> The interesting question is why, knowing the above, 'PA Bear'

>> while helping different people at the same time inaccurately

>> accuses them of doing wrong by omitting things in their replies.

 

 

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Honey, but you're so hard."

 

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Re: Strange error messages

 

Look, it's YOUR app that does the deletion. Tell YOUR app not to do that.

 

Out of what, a dozen newsreaders, (we won't mention web-based readers), how

many perform as you think they should? Two? Three?

 

I dunno, it just cracks me up when people whine about things they personally

have the power to fix almost instantaneously. Does it actually cause you any

problems, or even inconvenience, to reconfigure your app to stop deleting

content based upon the fascistic idea that yours is "well-behaved" and mine

isn't. YOUR app is in the minority and forever will be, YOUR app is the one

that is doing the deleting, not mine. Tell YOUR app to stop that.

 

In short, you're fighting a decades-old war that your side LOST years ago.

It *is* a top/bottom posting issue, you know. Your stupid apps think that a

signature (and its delimiter) must always come at the end of a post. That's

because its programmers were so fascistic as to insist that if you want talk

to their app, you MUST bottom-post replies. When a top-posted reply comes

in, your app is too stupid to allow for the possibility that there's more to

read after the signature.

 

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

PS --

 

"... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message

news:eDPW3N$WIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> glee wrote:

>

>> It's the old top-or-bottom post whinge again, Gary, or so it seems.

>

> It may seem like it but, since it was you and me that went through this

> last time around, you know it isn't.

>

>

>> OE top-posts by default, so the latest signature is at the end of the

>> uppermost reply. The so-called "well-behaved" newsreaders are set by

>> default to delete text below the signature delimiter (two dashes followed

>> by a space followed by a Return, such as you and I and Robear

>> use).....the original idea being to remove the sometimes overlong

>> signatures in posts, from subsequent replies, IF only bottom posting was

>> used throughout.

>

> That's about it, except for it NOT being about top- vs. bottom-posting.

> It's about OE, when constructing a reply, putting 'content'/'quoted text'

> in the footer/signature. Stupid, but so be it i suppose. But don't then

> complain about it to your conversation-partner if the news-clients he/she

> uses follows standard practices.

>

>

>> The actual problem is the fact that the users of these so-called

>> well-behaved readers are apparently not capable of changing the setting

>> to accommodate the variety of posting methods in use today: top, bottom,

>> and inline....all of which are valid forms, as you know. These

>> self-appointed 'net police would rather whine about others not using the

>> only posting method *they* approve.

>

> Ah, come on now! When do i ever try to police the way Gary, you OR Robear

> posts? I on occasion stand up for the bullied, hopefully getting across

> that it is not anything wrong that they do, that is causing them to be

> barked at.

>

>

>> --

>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

>> http://dts-l.net/

>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

>>

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:e2RPpFzWIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Oh, we're into that "well-behaved" newsreader thing again, eh? I find it

>>> hard to believe that OE deletes any content from incoming messages, or

>>> from replies. I have yet to see mine do it. If your "well-behaved"

>>> newsreader is having problems dealing with that, or with any other such

>>> issues, seems to me that's a problem with being "well-behaved".

>>>

>>> Seems that Google News also deletes such content. What DO your

>>> "well-behaved" newsreaders insert, anyway, that would piss off Google

>>> and OE so badly?

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>>

>>> "... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message

>>> news:Om9llgyWIHA.5132@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Henry's first reply (15:26 UTC) to Robear did not include all of the

>>>>> previous content.

>>>>

>>>> Of course it didn't and that was not what i said. Of course, you can

>>>> not see in this reply what i said because, just like 'PA Bear', you use

>>>> the same news-client that is intentionally broken to cause

>>>> 'content-omissions' from people they communicate with if these people

>>>> use any well-behaving news-client.

>>>>

>>>>> Robear <pasted> in the previous stuff in his subsequent reply (18:02

>>>>> UTC).

>>>>

>>>> Yes, 'PA Bear' did. Furthermore, 'PA Bear' also manually ( for that

>>>> post only ) modified the signature-delimiter so that the next reply

>>>> from 'Henry' not only included the full body of what he replied to

>>>> (which was done also in the first reply and which what i claimed in my

>>>> post) but also included all of the 'content'.

>>>>

>>>> Note! Henry didn't change anything to get things to work since there

>>>> was never anything wrong at that end. 'PA Bear' /temporarily/ corrected

>>>> the broken posting-style of 'Outlook Express'.

>>>>

>>>> The interesting question is why, knowing the above, 'PA Bear' while

>>>> helping different people at the same time inaccurately accuses them of

>>>> doing wrong by omitting things in their replies.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> "Broken lines, broken strings,

>>>> Broken threads, broken springs,"

>>>>

>>>> Please followup in the newsgroup.

>>>> E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.

>>>

>

>

> --

> My Dylan-quote quota for this post is already used up

> as part of glee's signature above. :-(

>

> Please followup in the newsgroup.

> E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.

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Re: Strange error messages

 

"... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message

news:eDPW3N$WIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> glee wrote:

>

>> It's the old top-or-bottom post whinge again, Gary, or so it seems.

>

> It may seem like it but, since it was you and me that went through this last time

> around, you know it isn't.

 

Was it? I don't remember the last time I was in a discussion about this, but the

issue of how OE positions its replies is still basically a top vs bottom post issue,

AFAICS.

 

>> OE top-posts by default, so the latest signature is at the end of the uppermost

>> reply. The so-called "well-behaved" newsreaders are set by default to delete

>> text below the signature delimiter (two dashes followed by a space followed by a

>> Return, such as you and I and Robear use).....the original idea being to remove

>> the sometimes overlong signatures in posts, from subsequent replies, IF only

>> bottom posting was used throughout.

>

> That's about it, except for it NOT being about top- vs. bottom-posting. It's about

> OE, when constructing a reply, putting 'content'/'quoted text' in the

> footer/signature. Stupid, but so be it i suppose. But don't then complain about it

> to your conversation-partner if the news-clients he/she uses follows standard

> practices.

 

Well, where else would an app that defaults to top-posting put the quoted text?

Apparently your distinction here is that the quoted text in a top-posting should be

placed below the current reply, but above the signature. I understand if that's

what you are stating, but, it's just as easy if not easier to simply modify the

settings in your reader to NOT delete text, as Gary mentioned. Obviously you are

aware of that, though. :-)

 

>> The actual problem is the fact that the users of these so-called well-behaved

>> readers are apparently not capable of changing the setting to accommodate the

>> variety of posting methods in use today: top, bottom, and inline....all of which

>> are valid forms, as you know. These self-appointed 'net police would rather

>> whine about others not using the only posting method *they* approve.

>

> Ah, come on now! When do i ever try to police the way Gary, you OR Robear posts? I

> on occasion stand up for the bullied, hopefully getting across that it is not

> anything wrong that they do, that is causing them to be barked at.

 

OK, I'll take back the "net police" comment....it was dumb anyway, and I don't view

you that way in these groups. ;-)

 

I do understand the point you are making re: OE, and your feeling that you are

defending the poster who was told to include the full text.....it's just that this

always seems to turn into an issue of posting style in so many side-threads, and the

issue has just been beaten to death already over the years. At this point it just

triggers knee-jerk reactions.

 

Warning: Signature Follows! Your Newsreading Application May Delete All Text Below

This Signature When You Reply!

--

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http://dts-l.net/

http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

 

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:e2RPpFzWIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Oh, we're into that "well-behaved" newsreader thing again, eh? I find it hard to

>>> believe that OE deletes any content from incoming messages, or from replies. I

>>> have yet to see mine do it. If your "well-behaved" newsreader is having problems

>>> dealing with that, or with any other such issues, seems to me that's a problem

>>> with being "well-behaved".

>>>

>>> Seems that Google News also deletes such content. What DO your "well-behaved"

>>> newsreaders insert, anyway, that would piss off Google and OE so badly?

>>>

>>>

>>> "... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message

>>> news:Om9llgyWIHA.5132@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Henry's first reply (15:26 UTC) to Robear did not include all of the previous

>>>>> content.

>>>>

>>>> Of course it didn't and that was not what i said. Of course, you can not see in

>>>> this reply what i said because, just like 'PA Bear', you use the same

>>>> news-client that is intentionally broken to cause 'content-omissions' from

>>>> people they communicate with if these people use any well-behaving news-client.

>>>>

>>>>> Robear <pasted> in the previous stuff in his subsequent reply (18:02 UTC).

>>>>

>>>> Yes, 'PA Bear' did. Furthermore, 'PA Bear' also manually ( for that post only )

>>>> modified the signature-delimiter so that the next reply from 'Henry' not only

>>>> included the full body of what he replied to (which was done also in the first

>>>> reply and which what i claimed in my post) but also included all of the

>>>> 'content'.

>>>>

>>>> Note! Henry didn't change anything to get things to work since there was never

>>>> anything wrong at that end. 'PA Bear' /temporarily/ corrected the broken

>>>> posting-style of 'Outlook Express'.

>>>>

>>>> The interesting question is why, knowing the above, 'PA Bear' while helping

>>>> different people at the same time inaccurately accuses them of doing wrong by

>>>> omitting things in their replies.

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