Guest Roger R Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 WIN98SE on Desktop. Running only in Safe Mode. Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. So I can't install a monitor. How can this be restored? I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by extracting the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it. Any ideas? Roger R
Guest philo Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net... > WIN98SE on Desktop. > Running only in Safe Mode. > > Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. > So I can't install a monitor. > How can this be restored? > > I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by extracting > the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it. > > Any ideas? > > Roger R > > > You do not need to install a monitor... windows would normally install it as a default monitor and that's good enough. Now if you meant instead...you video card...that does of course require the proper drivers
Guest MEB Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net... | WIN98SE on Desktop. | Running only in Safe Mode. | | Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. | So I can't install a monitor. | How can this be restored? | | I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by extracting | the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it. | | Any ideas? | | Roger R | | You might try run Find New Hardware in Control Panel. You should have at least a default monitor showing, but preferably the actual monitor which you are using so you can apply any additional settings that might be available. Also check your system.ini file [run sysedit from the run box], it should look something like this: [boot] oemfonts.fon=vgaoem.fon system.drv=system.drv drivers=mmsystem.dll power.drv shell=Explorer.exe user.exe=user.exe gdi.exe=gdi.exe sound.drv=mmsound.drv dibeng.drv=dibeng.dll comm.drv=comm.drv mouse.drv=lmouse.drv keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv *DisplayFallback=0 fonts.fon=vgasys.fon fixedfon.fon=vgafix.fon 386Grabber=vgafull.3gr display.drv=pnpdrvr.drv The registry also contains a few entries which you could check. Basic searches: monitor - will find any video card specific HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is supposedly installed or available Should look something like this for default: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR\PCI_VEN_10DE&DEV_0326&SUBSY S_00000000&REV_A1_BUS_00&DEV_0F&FUNC_00_1] "Capabilities"=hex:14,00,00,00 "InitMonitorPowerState"="0d" "ClassGUID"="{4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}" "Class"="Monitor" "Driver"="Monitor\\0001" "Mfg"="(Standard monitor types)" "ConfigFlags"=hex:00,00,00,00 "HardwareID"="Monitor\\Default_Monitor" "DeviceDesc"="Default Monitor" The other entry[ies] would show your specific monitor(s). -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________
Guest Roger R Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message > news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net... > | WIN98SE on Desktop. > | Running only in Safe Mode. > | > | Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. > | So I can't install a monitor. > | How can this be restored? Thanks for the effort you have put into your lengthy reply. > You might try run Find New Hardware in Control Panel. In Safe Mode 'some windows components necessary for device installation are not available. ...restart Windows and then run this wizard again'. The reason for being in Safe Mode is because Windows won't run. So 'Add New Hardware' is no help in this situation. > You should have at least a default monitor showing, Where? No monitors branch in Device Manager. Control Panel - Display - Settings: Display (Unkown Monitor) on (Unknown Device) Display is restricted (as it would be in Safe mode) to 640x 480 16 colours. Advanced - Adaptor - correctly identified adaptor correctly installed. > but preferably the > actual monitor which you are using so you can apply any additional > settings that might be available. > > Also check your system.ini file [run sysedit from the run box], it should > look something like this: > [boot] > *DisplayFallback=0 > ... System.ini has message 'your actual system ini has been saved under the name SYSTEM.TSH'. Place holder for system.ini: 'DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE'. Using Start/Find/files or folders, and entering SYSTEM.TSH nothing is found, nor using *.TSH (some items are listed in system.ini, Display, DisplayFallback or Display.drv are not.) > The registry also contains a few entries which you could check. > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is > supposedly installed or available Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the entry describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it (having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is the registry entry as it was: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/ HSL06AD/ PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1 (describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in use and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified and installed in Device Manager.) So now the Monitor key is: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/(Default) data: (value not set) The monitor data you listed above is what I want to acheive using an .inf (which is on floppy) but how to get the inf data from floppy to the registry? I don't think it is a simple as creating new keys directly in the registry similar to the ones above, but maybe it is as the monitor is pnp and requires only inf to describe its capabilities not any 'drivers'. The real issue is how to restore the Monitor branch to Device Manager, from where monitor info can be easily added. There is most probably some dll in the windows folder that generates this and it needs replacing with fresh copy from the Windows98 CD disk, but I don't know how to do it. Roger R
Guest Roger R Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message news:O8xbiG5XIHA.5816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message > news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net... >> WIN98SE on Desktop. >> Running only in Safe Mode. >> >> Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. >> So I can't install a monitor. >> How can this be restored? >> >> I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by > extracting >> the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it. > You do not need to install a monitor... > windows would normally install it as a default monitor and that's good > enough. Only if you are happy with 640 x 480 at 16 colours. > Now if you meant instead...you video card...that does of course require > the > proper drivers No I didn't mean a video card, that is installed and working correctly. Roger R
Guest philo Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:1201345759.82915.0@despina.uk.clara.net... > > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message > news:O8xbiG5XIHA.5816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > > "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net... > >> WIN98SE on Desktop. > >> Running only in Safe Mode. > >> > >> Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. > >> So I can't install a monitor. > >> How can this be restored? > >> > >> I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by > > extracting > >> the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it. > > > You do not need to install a monitor... > > windows would normally install it as a default monitor and that's good > > enough. > > Only if you are happy with 640 x 480 at 16 colours. > > > Now if you meant instead...you video card...that does of course require > > the > > proper drivers > > No I didn't mean a video card, that is installed and working correctly. > > Roger R > > > Nope! The reason you are at low resolution has nothing to do with your monitor... it is due to your video card drivers. Your video card is probaly using "standard vga" drivers...which accounts for the low res. You need to use the acual manufacturer's drivers designed specifically for your video card. If you look again in device manager you should see what the video there and see how it's setup. Note: if the video card is listed by manufacturer and still cannot go beyond the minimal settings then the drivers are probably incorrect for the card
Guest Peter Keller Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch Roger R wrote: > WIN98SE on Desktop. > Running only in Safe Mode. > > Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. > So I can't install a monitor. > How can this be restored? > > I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by extracting > the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now find it. > > Any ideas? > > Roger R > > > Nvidia drivers seem to be full of bugs on non-intel mainboards. Have you tried deleting your 440 card from the devices? When you reboot windows should re-detect it and reinstall the drivers and your monitor.
Guest Ben Myers Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net... > WIN98SE on Desktop. > Running only in Safe Mode. > Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. > So I can't install a monitor. > How can this be restored? Make sure your display adapter is configured properly. Start the computer in DOS or open a DOS box and type the following five lines. The name and manufacturer of the display adapter should appear at the right side of the screen. If this doesn't match what is shown in Device Manager, you will need to download and install the correct drivers for the adapter. If you want help with this, please repost with the information. Please note that the characters in line two are zeroes. debug dc000:0 d d Q Ben
Guest MEB Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch Okay, then, now we have an idea of what to work from. As Peter suggests, uninstalling the nVidia driver while in safe mode should allow the system to install the default adapter [PCI VGA] and display monitor [default]. If not [the nVidia 81.98 drivers will not uninstall] then some manual removal will be needed. Post back for help. That will give you the standard 680x400 ugly display. After uninstalling the driver, re-start to Safe Mode and check Device Manager for ghost or drivers for the adapter and display. Remove any found. Re-start to Normal Mode [if you're not configged for Menu press F8 immediately and repeatedly when passed the BIOS/CMOS POST display until the Menu pops up]. Once Normal Mode installs the defaults properly [first re-start], shut down, re-start back to Normal, backup the registry, and install the nVidia driver likely it will be the 81.98 driver [you have the last driver from the nVidia site already downloaded right?]. That will require a re-start, I suggest doing the re-start twice. Again save the registry, and set the monitor for the type/model you are using. AFTER, a successful install and monitor define, run the DirectX version [either 8.1 or 9.0c] that was working properly before with your particular setup. Re-start again, save the registry one more time, and go to windows\sysbckup and copy the last three [date wise] rb00?.cab files to another directory. If you're still having difficulties, please post back with whatever errors or information that applies. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:1201345723.82861.0@despina.uk.clara.net... | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | > "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message | > news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net... | > | WIN98SE on Desktop. | > | Running only in Safe Mode. | > | | > | Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. | > | So I can't install a monitor. | > | How can this be restored? | | Thanks for the effort you have put into your lengthy reply. | > You might try run Find New Hardware in Control Panel. | | In Safe Mode 'some windows components necessary for device installation are | not available. ...restart Windows and then run this wizard again'. | The reason for being in Safe Mode is because Windows won't run. | So 'Add New Hardware' is no help in this situation. | | > You should have at least a default monitor showing, | | Where? | No monitors branch in Device Manager. | Control Panel - Display - Settings: | Display (Unkown Monitor) on (Unknown Device) | Display is restricted (as it would be in Safe mode) to 640x 480 16 colours. | Advanced - Adaptor - correctly identified adaptor correctly installed. | | > but preferably the | > actual monitor which you are using so you can apply any additional | > settings that might be available. | > | > Also check your system.ini file [run sysedit from the run box], it should | > look something like this: | > [boot] | > *DisplayFallback=0 | > ... | | System.ini has message 'your actual system ini has been saved under the name | SYSTEM.TSH'. Place holder for system.ini: 'DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE'. | Using Start/Find/files or folders, and entering SYSTEM.TSH | nothing is found, nor using *.TSH | (some items are listed in system.ini, Display, DisplayFallback or | Display.drv are not.) | | > The registry also contains a few entries which you could check. | > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is | > supposedly installed or available | | Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the entry | describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it | (having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is | the registry entry as it was: | | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/ | HSL06AD/ | PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1 | | (describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in use | and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified and | installed in Device Manager.) | | So now the Monitor key is: | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/(Default) data: (value not set) | | The monitor data you listed above is what I want to acheive using an .inf | (which is on floppy) but how to get the inf data from floppy to the | registry? | | I don't think it is a simple as creating new keys directly in the registry | similar to the ones above, but maybe it is as the monitor is pnp | and requires only inf to describe its capabilities not any 'drivers'. | | The real issue is how to restore the Monitor branch to Device Manager, from | where monitor info can be easily added. | There is most probably some dll in the windows folder that generates this | and it needs replacing with fresh copy from the Windows98 CD disk, but I | don't know how to do it. | | Roger R | | | |
Guest glee Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch You are not going to be able to do a lot in Safe Mode, other than possibly uninstalling the display drivers and removing ALL entries in Device Manager> Display Adapter and Device Manager> Other. All the monitor and display info you mentioned, such as "unknown monitor", is to be expected in Safe Mode, which I thought I mentioned in your earlier thread in another group. Follow MEB's suggestions re: uninstalling and removing the display drivers and all related DevMan entries from Safe Mode; then see if you can start in Normal Mode. If you are still unable to start in Normal Mode then, you likely have other problems. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:1201345723.82861.0@despina.uk.clara.net... > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> >> "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net... >> | WIN98SE on Desktop. >> | Running only in Safe Mode. >> | >> | Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. >> | So I can't install a monitor. >> | How can this be restored? > > Thanks for the effort you have put into your lengthy reply. >> You might try run Find New Hardware in Control Panel. > > In Safe Mode 'some windows components necessary for device installation are > not available. ...restart Windows and then run this wizard again'. > The reason for being in Safe Mode is because Windows won't run. > So 'Add New Hardware' is no help in this situation. > >> You should have at least a default monitor showing, > > Where? > No monitors branch in Device Manager. > Control Panel - Display - Settings: > Display (Unkown Monitor) on (Unknown Device) > Display is restricted (as it would be in Safe mode) to 640x 480 16 colours. > Advanced - Adaptor - correctly identified adaptor correctly installed. > >> but preferably the >> actual monitor which you are using so you can apply any additional >> settings that might be available. >> >> Also check your system.ini file [run sysedit from the run box], it should >> look something like this: >> [boot] >> *DisplayFallback=0 >> ... > > System.ini has message 'your actual system ini has been saved under the name > SYSTEM.TSH'. Place holder for system.ini: 'DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE'. > Using Start/Find/files or folders, and entering SYSTEM.TSH > nothing is found, nor using *.TSH > (some items are listed in system.ini, Display, DisplayFallback or > Display.drv are not.) > >> The registry also contains a few entries which you could check. >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is >> supposedly installed or available > > Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the entry > describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it > (having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is > the registry entry as it was: > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/ > HSL06AD/ > PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1 > > (describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in use > and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified and > installed in Device Manager.) > > So now the Monitor key is: > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/(Default) data: (value not set) > > The monitor data you listed above is what I want to acheive using an .inf > (which is on floppy) but how to get the inf data from floppy to the > registry? > > I don't think it is a simple as creating new keys directly in the registry > similar to the ones above, but maybe it is as the monitor is pnp > and requires only inf to describe its capabilities not any 'drivers'. > > The real issue is how to restore the Monitor branch to Device Manager, from > where monitor info can be easily added. > There is most probably some dll in the windows folder that generates this > and it needs replacing with fresh copy from the Windows98 CD disk, but I > don't know how to do it. > > Roger R > > > >
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:09:23 -0000, "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed: > >"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> The registry also contains a few entries which you could check. >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is >> supposedly installed or available > >Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the entry >describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it >(having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is >the registry entry as it was: > >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/ >HSL06AD/ >PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1 > >(describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in use >and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified and >installed in Device Manager.) The Vendor and Device IDs belong to the NVidia graphics adapter but HSL06AD appears to be the model identifier for your monitor (HanSoL C776). http://www.sosordi.net/Depannage/128271-136-changement-processeur ===================================================================== [ Hansol C776 ] Propriétés du moniteur: Nom du moniteur Hansol C776 Identification du moniteur HSL06AD Modèle C776 Type de moniteur 17" CRT Date de fabrication Semaine 48 / 2000 Numéro de série YESN054206 Taille d'affichage maximale visible 32 cm x 24 cm (15.7") Ratio d'aspect de l'image 4:3 Fréquence horizontale 30 - 72 KHz Fréquence verticale 50 - 160 Hz Résolution maximale 1280 x 1024 Gamma 2.26 Gestion du mode DPMS Standby, Suspend, Active-Off Modes vidéo gérés: 640 x 480 140 Hz 800 x 600 110 Hz 1024 x 768 85 Hz 1152 x 864 75 Hz 1280 x 1024 65 Hz Fabricant du moniteur: Nom de l'entreprise Hansol Electronics Information sur le produit http://www.hansol-uk.com Télécharger le pilote http://www.hansol-uk.com/support/drivers.html ===================================================================== Normally what happens when a PnP monitor is attached to a PnP capable card is that the card reads the monitor's capabilities (eg resolutions, refresh rates) via its EDID EEPROM and then stores the EDID data in the registry. ISTR a very long thread where the OP's monitor's EDID EEPROM was corrupted and his NVidia (?) card was then unable to retrieve the monitor's specs, in which case it locked the resolution and/or refresh rate at some suboptimal value. I'd make sure that none of the DDC pins in the monitor cable are bent or pushed in. See http://pinouts.ru/Video/VGA15_pinout.shtml Having said that, if there really is a problem retrieving data from your monitor, then there should be no "HSL06AD" reference in the registry, unless the problem has appeared since then. You might like to try Everest Home Edition to see if it finds your monitor, or you might like to try PowerStrip to see if it can read your monitor's EDID EEPROM. PowerStrip 3.7: http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Roger R Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ex30j4EYIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Okay, then, now we have an idea of what to work from. Thanks for your prompt reply, I can't repond immediately as its midnight Sat here, and I'm away 'till Monday. Will post here again when have tried your suggestions. > As Peter suggests, uninstalling the nVidia driver while in safe mode > should > allow the system to install the default adapter [PCI VGA] and display > monitor [default]. If not [the nVidia 81.98 drivers will not uninstall] > then > some manual removal will be needed. Post back for help. > > That will give you the standard 680x400 ugly display. > > After uninstalling the driver, re-start to Safe Mode and check Device > Manager for ghost or drivers for the adapter and display. Remove any > found. > Re-start to Normal Mode [if you're not configged for Menu press F8 > immediately and repeatedly when passed the BIOS/CMOS POST display until > the > Menu pops up]. > > Once Normal Mode installs the defaults properly [first re-start], shut > down, re-start back to Normal, backup the registry, and install the nVidia > driver likely it will be the 81.98 driver [you have the last driver from > the > nVidia site already downloaded right?]. That will require a re-start, I > suggest doing the re-start twice. > Again save the registry, and set the monitor for the type/model you are > using. > AFTER, a successful install and monitor define, run the DirectX version > [either 8.1 or 9.0c] that was working properly before with your particular > setup. > Re-start again, save the registry one more time, and go to > windows\sysbckup > and copy the last three [date wise] rb00?.cab files to another directory. > > If you're still having difficulties, please post back with whatever errors > or information that applies. > > -- > > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > _________ > > > "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message > news:1201345723.82861.0@despina.uk.clara.net... > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > > | > > | > "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message > | > news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net... > | > | WIN98SE on Desktop. > | > | Running only in Safe Mode. > | > | > | > | Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. > | > | So I can't install a monitor. > | > | How can this be restored? > | > | Thanks for the effort you have put into your lengthy reply. > | > You might try run Find New Hardware in Control Panel. > | > | In Safe Mode 'some windows components necessary for device installation > are > | not available. ...restart Windows and then run this wizard again'. > | The reason for being in Safe Mode is because Windows won't run. > | So 'Add New Hardware' is no help in this situation. > | > | > You should have at least a default monitor showing, > | > | Where? > | No monitors branch in Device Manager. > | Control Panel - Display - Settings: > | Display (Unkown Monitor) on (Unknown Device) > | Display is restricted (as it would be in Safe mode) to 640x 480 16 > colours. > | Advanced - Adaptor - correctly identified adaptor correctly installed. > | > | > but preferably the > | > actual monitor which you are using so you can apply any additional > | > settings that might be available. > | > > | > Also check your system.ini file [run sysedit from the run box], it > should > | > look something like this: > | > [boot] > | > *DisplayFallback=0 > | > ... > | > | System.ini has message 'your actual system ini has been saved under the > name > | SYSTEM.TSH'. Place holder for system.ini: 'DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE'. > | Using Start/Find/files or folders, and entering SYSTEM.TSH > | nothing is found, nor using *.TSH > | (some items are listed in system.ini, Display, DisplayFallback or > | Display.drv are not.) > | > | > The registry also contains a few entries which you could check. > | > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is > | > supposedly installed or available > | > | Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the > entry > | describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it > | (having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here > is > | the registry entry as it was: > | > | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/ > | HSL06AD/ > | PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1 > | > | (describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in > use > | and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified > and > | installed in Device Manager.) > | > | So now the Monitor key is: > | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/(Default) data: (value not set) > | > | The monitor data you listed above is what I want to acheive using an > .inf > | (which is on floppy) but how to get the inf data from floppy to the > | registry? > | > | I don't think it is a simple as creating new keys directly in the > registry > | similar to the ones above, but maybe it is as the monitor is pnp > | and requires only inf to describe its capabilities not any 'drivers'. > | > | The real issue is how to restore the Monitor branch to Device Manager, > from > | where monitor info can be easily added. > | There is most probably some dll in the windows folder that generates > this > | and it needs replacing with fresh copy from the Windows98 CD disk, but I > | don't know how to do it. > | > | Roger R > | > | > | > | > >
Guest PCR Posted January 27, 2008 Posted January 27, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch Roger R wrote: | WIN98SE on Desktop. | Running only in Safe Mode. | | Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. | So I can't install a monitor. | How can this be restored? | | I seem to recollect a post detailing how this might be achived by | extracting the necessary files from the WIN98SE disk, but can't now | find it. | | Any ideas? I'm sure most of this & more has already been posted, but here is my Master Post on the topic... http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=127139 Troubleshooting Video Problems in Windows "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button". If checked, then uncheck "VGA 640x480x16", & reboot. "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab". Select as you wish from the Colors dropdown menu & the Size slider. If you move the Screen Area slider to 1024x768 there, possibly click the Advanced button, & select Large fonts too— or there is a chance you end up with tiny, unreadable fonts! Try to get your colors/size at least twice that way. If it continues to fail, you may need to reinstall your Monitor or Display Adapter... For the Monitor... (1) Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu) (2) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab" (3) Open the Monitors branch, & Remove all entries. Perhaps, FIRST, even in Normal Mode, note what is installed similar to below for the Adapter. That is... (a) D-Clk the monitor there for Properties, Driver tab. (b) Click the Update Driver button, then "Next". © Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next". (d) Bolt "Show all hardware". Examine the two panes to see what is currently installed. That is likely what you wish to end up with, after step (4). (4) Boot to Normal Mode. Hopefully, it will be rediscovered & installed. Then, if still necessary, here is the rigmarole of the Display Adapter... .......Quote.......... The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have installed. Right-click on the desktop; choose "Properties" from the drop-down menu; select "Settings;" click on the "Advanced" button; and click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system. [That is: Click "Change, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next, bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane, click 'Next'"... PCR] This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get rid of whatever was there before. Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that made your video card. Bill Starbuck (MVP) .......End....of quote.... Also... ..........Quote................ To identify your video adapter correctly, download and run either the Everest or Aida32 utility, available here: http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads9.html There are links to both the Personal and Enterprise versions of AIDA32....I suggest Enterprise: http://www.majorgeeks.com/Aida32_-_Enterprise_System_Information_d183.html Everest Free Edition: http://www.majorgeeks.com/EVEREST_Free_Edition_d4181.html AIDA32 is also available here: http://aumha.org/freeware/freeware.php#aida32 -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm .........EOQ.................... | Roger R -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest MEB Posted January 27, 2008 Posted January 27, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch Ah glad you brought that to my attention, I remember that thread/discussion though I did not recognize the poster or problem. Apparently PowerStrip was not used to pull the info per that thread and the suggestions at that time.. Perhaps this time your help will be accepted. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:f0enp3t79fufgv9579f3ud79199sop19vk@4ax.com... | On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:09:23 -0000, "Roger R" | <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed: | | > | >"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | >news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | | >> The registry also contains a few entries which you could check. | >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is | >> supposedly installed or available | > | >Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the entry | >describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it | >(having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is | >the registry entry as it was: | > | >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/ | >HSL06AD/ | >PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1 | > | >(describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in use | >and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified and | >installed in Device Manager.) | | The Vendor and Device IDs belong to the NVidia graphics adapter but | HSL06AD appears to be the model identifier for your monitor (HanSoL | C776). | | http://www.sosordi.net/Depannage/128271-136-changement-processeur | ===================================================================== | [ Hansol C776 ] | | Propriétés du moniteur: | Nom du moniteur Hansol C776 | Identification du moniteur HSL06AD | Modèle C776 | Type de moniteur 17" CRT | Date de fabrication Semaine 48 / 2000 | Numéro de série YESN054206 | Taille d'affichage maximale visible 32 cm x 24 cm (15.7") | Ratio d'aspect de l'image 4:3 | Fréquence horizontale 30 - 72 KHz | Fréquence verticale 50 - 160 Hz | Résolution maximale 1280 x 1024 | Gamma 2.26 | Gestion du mode DPMS Standby, Suspend, Active-Off | | Modes vidéo gérés: | 640 x 480 140 Hz | 800 x 600 110 Hz | 1024 x 768 85 Hz | 1152 x 864 75 Hz | 1280 x 1024 65 Hz | | Fabricant du moniteur: | Nom de l'entreprise Hansol Electronics | Information sur le produit http://www.hansol-uk.com | Télécharger le pilote http://www.hansol-uk.com/support/drivers.html | ===================================================================== | | Normally what happens when a PnP monitor is attached to a PnP capable | card is that the card reads the monitor's capabilities (eg | resolutions, refresh rates) via its EDID EEPROM and then stores the | EDID data in the registry. ISTR a very long thread where the OP's | monitor's EDID EEPROM was corrupted and his NVidia (?) card was then | unable to retrieve the monitor's specs, in which case it locked the | resolution and/or refresh rate at some suboptimal value. | | I'd make sure that none of the DDC pins in the monitor cable are bent | or pushed in. | | See http://pinouts.ru/Video/VGA15_pinout.shtml | | Having said that, if there really is a problem retrieving data from | your monitor, then there should be no "HSL06AD" reference in the | registry, unless the problem has appeared since then. | | You might like to try Everest Home Edition to see if it finds your | monitor, or you might like to try PowerStrip to see if it can read | your monitor's EDID EEPROM. | | PowerStrip 3.7: | http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm | | - Franc Zabkar | -- | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest MEB Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch You mentioned Powerstrip as a potential, but how about DCCtest to see if the card and monitor are communicating? http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/legacy.shtm -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:f0enp3t79fufgv9579f3ud79199sop19vk@4ax.com... | On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:09:23 -0000, "Roger R" | <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed: | | > | >"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | >news:%23j$YLw5XIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | | >> The registry also contains a few entries which you could check. | >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR will list what is | >> supposedly installed or available | > | >Well, there was a listing there, but it has been established that the entry | >describes the display adaptor card, not the monitor, so I deleted it | >(having also saved it). It hasn't made any difference. But FWIW here is | >the registry entry as it was: | > | >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Enum/MONITOR/ | >HSL06AD/ | >PCI_VEN10DE&DEV_0171&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3_000800_1 | > | >(describes NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 graphics adaptor which is the one in use | >and listed under the registry entry for Display and correctly identified and | >installed in Device Manager.) | | The Vendor and Device IDs belong to the NVidia graphics adapter but | HSL06AD appears to be the model identifier for your monitor (HanSoL | C776). | | http://www.sosordi.net/Depannage/128271-136-changement-processeur | ===================================================================== | [ Hansol C776 ] | | Propriétés du moniteur: | Nom du moniteur Hansol C776 | Identification du moniteur HSL06AD | Modèle C776 | Type de moniteur 17" CRT | Date de fabrication Semaine 48 / 2000 | Numéro de série YESN054206 | Taille d'affichage maximale visible 32 cm x 24 cm (15.7") | Ratio d'aspect de l'image 4:3 | Fréquence horizontale 30 - 72 KHz | Fréquence verticale 50 - 160 Hz | Résolution maximale 1280 x 1024 | Gamma 2.26 | Gestion du mode DPMS Standby, Suspend, Active-Off | | Modes vidéo gérés: | 640 x 480 140 Hz | 800 x 600 110 Hz | 1024 x 768 85 Hz | 1152 x 864 75 Hz | 1280 x 1024 65 Hz | | Fabricant du moniteur: | Nom de l'entreprise Hansol Electronics | Information sur le produit http://www.hansol-uk.com | Télécharger le pilote http://www.hansol-uk.com/support/drivers.html | ===================================================================== | | Normally what happens when a PnP monitor is attached to a PnP capable | card is that the card reads the monitor's capabilities (eg | resolutions, refresh rates) via its EDID EEPROM and then stores the | EDID data in the registry. ISTR a very long thread where the OP's | monitor's EDID EEPROM was corrupted and his NVidia (?) card was then | unable to retrieve the monitor's specs, in which case it locked the | resolution and/or refresh rate at some suboptimal value. | | I'd make sure that none of the DDC pins in the monitor cable are bent | or pushed in. | | See http://pinouts.ru/Video/VGA15_pinout.shtml | | Having said that, if there really is a problem retrieving data from | your monitor, then there should be no "HSL06AD" reference in the | registry, unless the problem has appeared since then. | | You might like to try Everest Home Edition to see if it finds your | monitor, or you might like to try PowerStrip to see if it can read | your monitor's EDID EEPROM. | | PowerStrip 3.7: | http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm | | - Franc Zabkar | -- | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:59:15 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: > You mentioned Powerstrip as a potential, but how about DCCtest to see if >the card and monitor are communicating? >http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/legacy.shtm Sounds good to me. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Roger R Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in message news:%236dDXJDYIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net... > WIN98SE on Desktop. > Running only in Safe Mode. > Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. > So I can't install a monitor. > How can this be restored? Make sure your display adapter is configured properly. Start the computer in DOS or open a DOS box and type the following five lines. The name and manufacturer of the display adapter should appear at the right side of the screen. If this doesn't match what is shown in Device Manager, you will need to download and install the correct drivers for the adapter. If you want help with this, please repost with the information. Please note that the characters in line two are zeroes. debug dc000:0 d d Q Almost a week later I've been able to do the above... Under dc000:0 = U.~.K7400.L.w.V1 DEO ......I...IB M VGA Compatible .........10/18/02 ................. ...}............. ................. PMIDj.m......... Under d = ....7..NV....0.a. ............y...... .....P...q(Kk.k.v sv.v....N........ ...A.kH1.'.....v ..............J.P ......V.Y......1. 1....>.T.\..1.1.1 under d (2) = .....PCIR..q..... .....~.......GF4M X440-SE VGA BIOS ................. ................. ................. .............Ver sion 4.17.00.61V (number of multiple dots in lines may not be accurate) Roger R
Guest Roger R Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:%23W8dA2FYIHA.6140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > You are not going to be able to do a lot in Safe Mode, other than possibly > uninstalling the display drivers and removing ALL entries in Device > Manager> Display Adapter and Device Manager> Other. > > All the monitor and display info you mentioned, such as "unknown monitor", > is to be expected in Safe Mode, which I thought I mentioned in your > earlier thread in another group. Included here for information completeness. > Follow MEB's suggestions re: uninstalling and removing the display drivers > and all related DevMan entries from Safe Mode; then see if you can start > in Normal Mode. If you are still unable to start in Normal Mode then, you > likely have other problems. > -- I think it likely your last phrase accurately describes the situation. The widely held view here is to remove and reinstall the video card drivers so I will try this to lay that ghost once and for all. Roger R
Guest Roger R Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:f0enp3t79fufgv9579f3ud79199sop19vk@4ax.com... > > The Vendor and Device IDs belong to the NVidia graphics adapter but > HSL06AD appears to be the model identifier for your monitor (HanSoL > C776). Yes, the monitor is indeed a C766. I have modified the Monitors key in HKLM by deleting the sub key referring to the Graphics adaptor, leaving just the sub key HSL06D. However there is no data on this key corresponding to the monitor - only 'default'. > http://www.sosordi.net/Depannage/128271-136-changement-processeur > ===================================================================== > [ Hansol C776 ] > > Propriitis du moniteur: > Nom du moniteur Hansol C776 > Identification du moniteur HSL06AD > Modhle C776 > Type de moniteur 17" CRT > Date de fabrication Semaine 48 / 2000 > Numiro de sirie YESN054206 > Taille d'affichage maximale visible 32 cm x 24 cm (15.7") > Ratio d'aspect de l'image 4:3 > Friquence horizontale 30 - 72 KHz > Friquence verticale 50 - 160 Hz > Risolution maximale 1280 x 1024 > Gamma 2.26 > Gestion du mode DPMS Standby, Suspend, Active-Off > > Modes vidio giris: > 640 x 480 140 Hz > 800 x 600 110 Hz > 1024 x 768 85 Hz > 1152 x 864 75 Hz > 1280 x 1024 65 Hz > > Fabricant du moniteur: > Nom de l'entreprise Hansol Electronics > Information sur le produit http://www.hansol-uk.com > Tilicharger le pilote http://www.hansol-uk.com/support/drivers.html I am unable to get any 'driver' or inf file from the above link. Whilst the link to /support/drivers would seem ideal, this only takes me to a Hansol trade directory page. There are not any drivers there that I can see. Even clicking the links to some of the other monitors mentioned, 710d, 739e, or following the 'monitor drivers' links again take me only to a site directory page of web search engines. Pleas explain further how it is possible to get the inf file from this site. > ===================================================================== > > Normally what happens when a PnP monitor is attached to a PnP capable > card is that the card reads the monitor's capabilities (eg > resolutions, refresh rates) via its EDID EEPROM and then stores the > EDID data in the registry. ISTR a very long thread where the OP's > monitor's EDID EEPROM was corrupted and his NVidia (?) card was then > unable to retrieve the monitor's specs, in which case it locked the > resolution and/or refresh rate at some suboptimal value. > > I'd make sure that none of the DDC pins in the monitor cable are bent > or pushed in. No bent pins. > See http://pinouts.ru/Video/VGA15_pinout.shtml > > Having said that, if there really is a problem retrieving data from > your monitor, then there should be no "HSL06AD" reference in the > registry, unless the problem has appeared since then. > > You might like to try Everest Home Edition to see if it finds your > monitor, or you might like to try PowerStrip to see if it can read > your monitor's EDID EEPROM. > > PowerStrip 3.7: This does fit on a floppy so I can load it into the machine (the install seemed to go ok), but it won't run, remember I'm in Safe Mode. Everest Home edition: At over 4 Mb its too big for a floppy so I cannot transfer and install it. Subsequently in this thread MEB proposes 'DDC test', and this is small enough to transfer and run. The details (nothing unexpected) displayed by DDC test are explained in response to MEB's suggestion. Roger R
Guest Roger R Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:u5UgLPJYIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Ah glad you brought that to my attention, I remember that > thread/discussion > though I did not recognize the poster or problem. You appear to be suggesting I am connected to that poster. I am not. > Apparently PowerStrip was not used to pull the info per that thread and > the > suggestions at that time.. > Perhaps this time your help will be accepted. The problem with Power Strip is that though it is small enough to be transferred by floppy and appears to install ok it does not run. 'DCC test' you propose in your supplementary reply to Franc Zabkar works OK and I have commented on the results in response to your post recommending it. Roger R
Guest Roger R Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:k8q1q3l6n26fpsvu0cluu72mv0h75c8qtg@4ax.com... > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:59:15 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> > put finger to keyboard and composed: > >> You mentioned Powerstrip as a potential, but how about DCCtest to see if >>the card and monitor are communicating? >>http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/legacy.shtm > > Sounds good to me. and it was good too. DDC test appears to display the correct information. DDC test Report: DDC status: Video BIOS: Video Bios reports support for DDC. Monitor: DDC1/2B supported (less than 2 sec transfer time) Model identifiers: Manufacturer - Hansol Electronics Model ID - HSL06AD Serial No -xxx manufac _ date EDID ver - 1.02 Display perameters: Video type - Analogue(0.7 V) Image size 320 x 240 mmm (17 ") Max H freq - 63 khz max V freq - at least 100 Hz max resolution - 1800 x 1008 (est) Power management: Standby - tick suspend - tick Off - tick Gamma: 2.26 Timing descriptions: GTF support - n/a List of display resolutions: 640 x 480 at 60 Hz 640 x 480 at 75 Hz 640 x 480 at 85 Hz 720 x 400 at 70 Hz -VGA 800 x 600 at 75 Hz 800 x 600 at 85 Hz 1024 x 768 at 75 Hz 720 x 405 at 84 Hz 640 x 480 at 100 Hz 800 x 600 at 100 Hz 1024 x 768 at 85 Hz 1280 x 1024 at 60Hz The above report suggest the Monitor is talking to the computer and reporting the correct data in its Eprom. Roger R
Guest MEB Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch Okay, just trying to collate potential issues and answers. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:1201784873.56849.0@demeter.uk.clara.net... | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:u5UgLPJYIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > Ah glad you brought that to my attention, I remember that | > thread/discussion | > though I did not recognize the poster or problem. | | | You appear to be suggesting I am connected to that poster. | I am not. | | | > Apparently PowerStrip was not used to pull the info per that thread and | > the | > suggestions at that time.. | > Perhaps this time your help will be accepted. | | The problem with Power Strip is that though it is small enough to be | transferred by floppy and appears to install ok it does not run. | | 'DCC test' you propose in your supplementary reply to Franc Zabkar works OK | and I have commented on the results in response to your post recommending | it. | | Roger R | |
Guest MEB Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:1201785920.57229.0@demeter.uk.clara.net... | | "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message | news:k8q1q3l6n26fpsvu0cluu72mv0h75c8qtg@4ax.com... | > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:59:15 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> | > put finger to keyboard and composed: | > | >> You mentioned Powerstrip as a potential, but how about DCCtest to see if | >>the card and monitor are communicating? | >>http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/legacy.shtm | > | > Sounds good to me. | | and it was good too. | | DDC test appears to display the correct information. | | DDC test Report: | | DDC status: | Video BIOS: Video Bios reports support for DDC. | Monitor: DDC1/2B supported (less than 2 sec transfer time) | | Model identifiers: | Manufacturer - Hansol Electronics | Model ID - HSL06AD | Serial No -xxx | manufac _ date | EDID ver - 1.02 | | Display perameters: | Video type - Analogue(0.7 V) | Image size 320 x 240 mmm (17 ") | Max H freq - 63 khz | max V freq - at least 100 Hz | max resolution - 1800 x 1008 (est) | | Power management: | Standby - tick | suspend - tick | Off - tick | | Gamma: | 2.26 | | Timing descriptions: | GTF support - n/a | List of display resolutions: | 640 x 480 at 60 Hz | 640 x 480 at 75 Hz | 640 x 480 at 85 Hz | 720 x 400 at 70 Hz -VGA | 800 x 600 at 75 Hz | 800 x 600 at 85 Hz | 1024 x 768 at 75 Hz | 720 x 405 at 84 Hz | 640 x 480 at 100 Hz | 800 x 600 at 100 Hz | 1024 x 768 at 85 Hz | 1280 x 1024 at 60Hz | | The above report suggest the Monitor is talking to the computer and | reporting the correct data in its Eprom. | | Roger R | Okay then, I'll modify my original suggestions and checks to include downloading one of the nVidia cleanup tools to COMPLETELY remove any old settings. nVidia has always required {in 9X} an absolutely clean registry [of adapters and settings] to properly install. Also, as previously indicated, you MUST have the default VGA display. IF the driver was the 81 version or above, then you will need to do additional manual cleanup/checking before attempting a re-install. After running the cleanup tool, use something like RegSeeker to search the registry for any that might have been missed. Check the Shared DLL key as well for references to nv** dlls and folders. Also check the INF directory for old nVidia references/INFS. you may find nvagp.inf or nvaml.inf, manually remove them Again, the default monitor and adapter MUST be there PRIOR to installing nVidia driver. The issue is, the default monitor will not be installed until starting in Normal Mode, so completely "default the system" and try to restart in Normal Mode BEFORE attempting to install the nVidia driver. One issue that MAY cause a problem is OpenGL. Might check the registry for entries for that and post what is found. As another issue: if there was some special INF or installer application for your display, you will need to re-install/run such. I generally prefer to do this before installation of nVidia drivers, though some will not install without adapter support so do whatever is required. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:57:29 -0000, "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed: >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message >news:f0enp3t79fufgv9579f3ud79199sop19vk@4ax.com... >> >> The Vendor and Device IDs belong to the NVidia graphics adapter but >> HSL06AD appears to be the model identifier for your monitor (HanSoL >> C776). > >Yes, the monitor is indeed a C766. >> Tilicharger le pilote http://www.hansol-uk.com/support/drivers.html > >I am unable to get any 'driver' or inf file from the above link. I found a universal Fijitsu "driver" set here: http://members.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=34015 It's basically just a universal INF file. I suspect the Fujitsu C776 may be the same monitor as yours. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Ben Myers Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Device Manager, no Monitors branch "Roger R" <d-e-c-o-d-e-r@clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:1201780474.55257.0@demeter.uk.clara.net... > news:1201269898.24447.0@proxy00.news.clara.net... > > WIN98SE on Desktop. > > Running only in Safe Mode. > > Device Manager has no 'Monitors' branch. > > So I can't install a monitor. > > How can this be restored? > > Make sure your display adapter is configured properly. Start > the computer in DOS or open a DOS box and type the > following five lines. The name and manufacturer of the display > adapter should appear at the right side of the screen. If this > doesn't match what is shown in Device Manager, you will > need to download and install the correct drivers for the adapter. > If you want help with this, please repost with the information. > Please note that the characters in line two are zeroes. > > debug > dc000:0 > d > d > Q > > Almost a week later I've been able to do the above... > > Under dc000:0 = > U.~.K7400.L.w.V1 > DEO ......I...IB > M VGA Compatible > ........10/18/02 > ................ > ..}............. > ................ > PMIDj.m......... > > Under d = > ...7..NV....0.a. > ...........y...... > ....P...q(Kk.k.v > sv.v....N........ > ..A.kH1.'.....v > .............J.P > .....V.Y......1. > 1....>.T.\..1.1.1 > > under d (2) = > ....PCIR..q..... > ....~.......GF4M > X440-SE VGA BIOS > ................ > ................ > ................ > ............Ver > sion 4.17.00.61V > > (number of multiple dots in lines may not be accurate) Looks like an Aopen. See http://download.aopen.com.tw/userdownload_List.aspx?RecNo=8345&Model=GF4MX440SE-V64(A4) Ben
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