Guest Luiz Posted January 28, 2008 Posted January 28, 2008 Hi, how much of bandwidth a TS session consume as basis of a user with Internet Explorer and Office (Outlook, Word and Excel)? Thanks. Luiz
Guest Bart Van Vugt Posted January 28, 2008 Posted January 28, 2008 RE: TS Badnwidth It's not depending on the number of applications. RDP uses about 30-40k of bandwidth. "Luiz" wrote: > Hi, > > how much of bandwidth a TS session consume as basis of a user with Internet > Explorer and Office (Outlook, Word and Excel)? > > Thanks. > > Luiz
Guest Vera Noest [MVP] Posted January 28, 2008 Posted January 28, 2008 RE: TS Badnwidth Bart, I don't think that you can give any figures like that without knowing much more about what the users are doing. Internet Explorer can mean looking at video clips, flash animation, etc. And what about printing? That would take you easily over 150 Kbps. _________________________________________________________ Vera Noest MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___ =?Utf-8?B?QmFydCBWYW4gVnVndA==?= <BartVanVugt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 28 jan 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services: > It's not depending on the number of applications. RDP uses about > 30-40k of bandwidth. > > "Luiz" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> how much of bandwidth a TS session consume as basis of a user >> with Internet Explorer and Office (Outlook, Word and Excel)? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Luiz
Guest Luiz Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 RE: TS Badnwidth Thank you Bart. Is there any paper from Microsoft stating that? Best Regards. Luiz "Bart Van Vugt" wrote: > It's not depending on the number of applications. RDP uses about 30-40k of > bandwidth. > > "Luiz" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > how much of bandwidth a TS session consume as basis of a user with Internet > > Explorer and Office (Outlook, Word and Excel)? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Luiz
Guest Luiz Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 RE: TS Badnwidth Hi Vera, thank you. Is there any paper from Microsoft stating that? Best Regards. Luiz "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote: > Bart, I don't think that you can give any figures like that without > knowing much more about what the users are doing. > Internet Explorer can mean looking at video clips, flash animation, > etc. And what about printing? > That would take you easily over 150 Kbps. > > _________________________________________________________ > Vera Noest > MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server > TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net > ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___ > > =?Utf-8?B?QmFydCBWYW4gVnVndA==?= > <BartVanVugt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 28 jan 2008 in > microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services: > > > It's not depending on the number of applications. RDP uses about > > 30-40k of bandwidth. > > > > "Luiz" wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> how much of bandwidth a TS session consume as basis of a user > >> with Internet Explorer and Office (Outlook, Word and Excel)? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Luiz >
Guest moncho Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Re: TS Badnwidth Luiz wrote: > Hi Vera, > > thank you. > Is there any paper from Microsoft stating that? I do not know if there is anything explicitly stated by Microsoft but there are some users in here who do a little testing and 20-30K are AVERAGE numbers. The other issues you will run into is large print jobs also. If someone decides to print a 1 Mb print job, that could definitely affect performance. AFAIK, TS does not have a bandwidth throttle, although someone may know otherwise. moncho > > Best Regards. > > Luiz > > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote: > >> Bart, I don't think that you can give any figures like that without >> knowing much more about what the users are doing. >> Internet Explorer can mean looking at video clips, flash animation, >> etc. And what about printing? >> That would take you easily over 150 Kbps. >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> Vera Noest >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___ >> >> =?Utf-8?B?QmFydCBWYW4gVnVndA==?= >> <BartVanVugt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 28 jan 2008 in >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services: >> >>> It's not depending on the number of applications. RDP uses about >>> 30-40k of bandwidth. >>> >>> "Luiz" wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> how much of bandwidth a TS session consume as basis of a user >>>> with Internet Explorer and Office (Outlook, Word and Excel)? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Luiz
Guest Vera Noest [MVP] Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Re: TS Badnwidth I'm not sure what you are trying to say, moncho. Average for what kind of usage? Luiz, the best thing that you can do is to set up a pilot system and then do some measurements with the type of usage that you expect. How can I measure RDP bandwidth usage? http://ts.veranoest.net/ts_faq_administration.htm#monitor_bandwidth Q: How can I measure RDP bandwidth usage? A: You can use Network Monitor (Netmon) to capture all RDP traffic. You can install Netmon on your server through Add/Remove Windows components. Before starting the capture: * Choose Capture - Buffer settings and increase the buffer size to 256 MB * Choose Capture - Trigger, check Buffer space, 100%, and Stop Capture * Choose Capture - Filter, Create two pattern matches, connected by an OR condition. One for an offset of 0x22 with a pattern of 0d3d and a second one with an offset of 0x24 with a pattern of 0d3d These patterns tell Netmon to only capture data with a source or destination port of 3389 (the default port for RDP) * Click the Start capture button, check the Captured Statistics section (the numbers should be increasing), and then minimize Netmon. You want to minimize Netmon because the updating of its display will generate rdp traffic thus skewing the numbers. Check back later to view the results. Netmon will stop capturing automatically when it has captured approximately 256 MB of RDP traffic. You can look at the elapsed time, captured frames, captured bytes, and calculate bandwidth statistics from them. It is also possible to adjust your filtering so that you only capture packets from certain IP addresses. _________________________________________________________ Vera Noest MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___ moncho <moncho@NOspmanywhere.com> wrote on 29 jan 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services: > Luiz wrote: >> Hi Vera, >> >> thank you. >> Is there any paper from Microsoft stating that? > > I do not know if there is anything explicitly stated > by Microsoft but there are some users in here who > do a little testing and 20-30K are AVERAGE numbers. > > The other issues you will run into is large print > jobs also. If someone decides to print a 1 Mb > print job, that could definitely affect performance. > > AFAIK, TS does not have a bandwidth throttle, although > someone may know otherwise. > > moncho > > > >> >> Best Regards. >> >> Luiz >> >> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote: >> >>> Bart, I don't think that you can give any figures like that >>> without knowing much more about what the users are doing. >>> Internet Explorer can mean looking at video clips, flash >>> animation, etc. And what about printing? >>> That would take you easily over 150 Kbps. >>> >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> Vera Noest >>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server >>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net >>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___ >>> >>> =?Utf-8?B?QmFydCBWYW4gVnVndA==?= >>> <BartVanVugt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 28 jan 2008 >>> in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services: >>> >>>> It's not depending on the number of applications. RDP uses >>>> about 30-40k of bandwidth. >>>> >>>> "Luiz" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> how much of bandwidth a TS session consume as basis of a >>>>> user with Internet Explorer and Office (Outlook, Word and >>>>> Excel)? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Luiz
Guest Luiz Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Re: TS Badnwidth Thank you moncho. Best Regards. Luiz "moncho" wrote: > Luiz wrote: > > Hi Vera, > > > > thank you. > > Is there any paper from Microsoft stating that? > > I do not know if there is anything explicitly stated > by Microsoft but there are some users in here who > do a little testing and 20-30K are AVERAGE numbers. > > The other issues you will run into is large print > jobs also. If someone decides to print a 1 Mb > print job, that could definitely affect performance. > > AFAIK, TS does not have a bandwidth throttle, although > someone may know otherwise. > > moncho > > > > > > > Best Regards. > > > > Luiz > > > > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote: > > > >> Bart, I don't think that you can give any figures like that without > >> knowing much more about what the users are doing. > >> Internet Explorer can mean looking at video clips, flash animation, > >> etc. And what about printing? > >> That would take you easily over 150 Kbps. > >> > >> _________________________________________________________ > >> Vera Noest > >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server > >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net > >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___ > >> > >> =?Utf-8?B?QmFydCBWYW4gVnVndA==?= > >> <BartVanVugt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 28 jan 2008 in > >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services: > >> > >>> It's not depending on the number of applications. RDP uses about > >>> 30-40k of bandwidth. > >>> > >>> "Luiz" wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> how much of bandwidth a TS session consume as basis of a user > >>>> with Internet Explorer and Office (Outlook, Word and Excel)? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> > >>>> Luiz >
Guest moncho Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Re: TS Badnwidth Vera Noest [MVP] wrote: > I'm not sure what you are trying to say, moncho. > Average for what kind of usage? Well by average I would mean basic KVM functions. I know Patrick and a few others over the years have mentioned that simple connections which the average person uses takes only 30-40 Kbps. Average meaning KVM functions. I added the statement about printing in conjunction with your statement about IE and video clips that could move the Kbps per user numbers sky high. I have a database app that comfortably fits 20 external VPN users on one TS with a single T1 connection. In addition, this T1 is used for internal user's Internet access and 10 outbound VPN connections to 5 other TS servers. Granted, streaming video/music and external TS user Internet access is not permitted. This helps keep bandwidth under control. moncho > > Luiz, the best thing that you can do is to set up a pilot system > and then do some measurements with the type of usage that you > expect. > > How can I measure RDP bandwidth usage? > http://ts.veranoest.net/ts_faq_administration.htm#monitor_bandwidth > > Q: How can I measure RDP bandwidth usage? > > A: You can use Network Monitor (Netmon) to capture all RDP traffic. > You can install Netmon on your server through Add/Remove Windows > components. > > Before starting the capture: > > * Choose Capture - Buffer settings and increase the buffer size to > 256 MB > * Choose Capture - Trigger, check Buffer space, 100%, and Stop > Capture > * Choose Capture - Filter, Create two pattern matches, connected by > an OR condition. One for an offset of 0x22 with a pattern of 0d3d > and a second one with an offset of 0x24 with a pattern of 0d3d > These patterns tell Netmon to only capture data with a source or > destination port of 3389 (the default port for RDP) > * Click the Start capture button, check the Captured Statistics > section (the numbers should be increasing), and then minimize > Netmon. You want to minimize Netmon because the updating of its > display will generate rdp traffic thus skewing the numbers. > > Check back later to view the results. Netmon will stop capturing > automatically when it has captured approximately 256 MB of RDP > traffic. You can look at the elapsed time, captured frames, > captured bytes, and calculate bandwidth statistics from them. > > It is also possible to adjust your filtering so that you only > capture packets from certain IP addresses. > > _________________________________________________________ > Vera Noest > MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server > TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net > ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___ > > moncho <moncho@NOspmanywhere.com> wrote on 29 jan 2008 in > microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services: > >> Luiz wrote: >>> Hi Vera, >>> >>> thank you. >>> Is there any paper from Microsoft stating that? >> I do not know if there is anything explicitly stated >> by Microsoft but there are some users in here who >> do a little testing and 20-30K are AVERAGE numbers. >> >> The other issues you will run into is large print >> jobs also. If someone decides to print a 1 Mb >> print job, that could definitely affect performance. >> >> AFAIK, TS does not have a bandwidth throttle, although >> someone may know otherwise. >> >> moncho >> >> >> >>> Best Regards. >>> >>> Luiz >>> >>> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote: >>> >>>> Bart, I don't think that you can give any figures like that >>>> without knowing much more about what the users are doing. >>>> Internet Explorer can mean looking at video clips, flash >>>> animation, etc. And what about printing? >>>> That would take you easily over 150 Kbps. >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>> Vera Noest >>>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server >>>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net >>>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___ >>>> >>>> =?Utf-8?B?QmFydCBWYW4gVnVndA==?= >>>> <BartVanVugt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 28 jan 2008 >>>> in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services: >>>> >>>>> It's not depending on the number of applications. RDP uses >>>>> about 30-40k of bandwidth. >>>>> >>>>> "Luiz" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> how much of bandwidth a TS session consume as basis of a >>>>>> user with Internet Explorer and Office (Outlook, Word and >>>>>> Excel)? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Luiz
Guest Vera Noest [MVP] Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Re: TS Badnwidth Yes, with those additions, I agree with you. I just felt that it could be terribly misleading to merely give a figure like in the first reply: >>>>>> RDP uses about 30-40k of bandwidth. Most of my users need both audio and disk redirection, file transfers, redirected scanning, look at digital X-Ray pictures, and a lot of printing. Their average bandwidth requirements are *much* higher. But sure, I also have 3 other users comfortably working on an 128 k ISDN connection, as long as they only check their email and write Word documents. So taking the type of usage into consideration is important. _________________________________________________________ Vera Noest MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___ moncho <moncho@NOspmanywhere.com> wrote on 30 jan 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services: > Vera Noest [MVP] wrote: >> I'm not sure what you are trying to say, moncho. >> Average for what kind of usage? > > Well by average I would mean basic KVM functions. > I know Patrick and a few others over the years > have mentioned that simple connections which the > average person uses takes only 30-40 Kbps. Average > meaning KVM functions. > > I added the statement about printing in conjunction > with your statement about IE and video clips that could > move the Kbps per user numbers sky high. > > I have a database app that comfortably fits 20 > external VPN users on one TS with a single T1 connection. > In addition, this T1 is used for internal user's Internet > access and 10 outbound VPN connections to 5 other TS servers. > > Granted, streaming video/music and external TS user > Internet access is not permitted. This helps keep > bandwidth under control. > > moncho >> >> Luiz, the best thing that you can do is to set up a pilot >> system and then do some measurements with the type of usage >> that you expect. >> >> How can I measure RDP bandwidth usage? >> http://ts.veranoest.net/ts_faq_administration.htm#monitor_bandwi >> dth >> >> Q: How can I measure RDP bandwidth usage? >> >> A: You can use Network Monitor (Netmon) to capture all RDP >> traffic. You can install Netmon on your server through >> Add/Remove Windows components. >> >> Before starting the capture: >> >> * Choose Capture - Buffer settings and increase the buffer size >> to 256 MB >> * Choose Capture - Trigger, check Buffer space, 100%, and Stop >> Capture >> * Choose Capture - Filter, Create two pattern matches, >> connected by an OR condition. One for an offset of 0x22 with a >> pattern of 0d3d and a second one with an offset of 0x24 with a >> pattern of 0d3d These patterns tell Netmon to only capture data >> with a source or destination port of 3389 (the default port for >> RDP) * Click the Start capture button, check the Captured >> Statistics section (the numbers should be increasing), and then >> minimize Netmon. You want to minimize Netmon because the >> updating of its display will generate rdp traffic thus skewing >> the numbers. >> >> Check back later to view the results. Netmon will stop >> capturing automatically when it has captured approximately 256 >> MB of RDP traffic. You can look at the elapsed time, captured >> frames, captured bytes, and calculate bandwidth statistics from >> them. >> >> It is also possible to adjust your filtering so that you only >> capture packets from certain IP addresses. >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> Vera Noest >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___ >> >> moncho <moncho@NOspmanywhere.com> wrote on 29 jan 2008 in >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services: >> >>> Luiz wrote: >>>> Hi Vera, >>>> >>>> thank you. >>>> Is there any paper from Microsoft stating that? >>> I do not know if there is anything explicitly stated >>> by Microsoft but there are some users in here who >>> do a little testing and 20-30K are AVERAGE numbers. >>> >>> The other issues you will run into is large print >>> jobs also. If someone decides to print a 1 Mb >>> print job, that could definitely affect performance. >>> >>> AFAIK, TS does not have a bandwidth throttle, although >>> someone may know otherwise. >>> >>> moncho >>> >>> >>> >>>> Best Regards. >>>> >>>> Luiz >>>> >>>> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bart, I don't think that you can give any figures like that >>>>> without knowing much more about what the users are doing. >>>>> Internet Explorer can mean looking at video clips, flash >>>>> animation, etc. And what about printing? >>>>> That would take you easily over 150 Kbps. >>>>> >>>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>>> Vera Noest >>>>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server >>>>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net >>>>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___ >>>>> >>>>> =?Utf-8?B?QmFydCBWYW4gVnVndA==?= >>>>> <BartVanVugt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 28 jan 2008 >>>>> in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services: >>>>> >>>>>> It's not depending on the number of applications. RDP uses >>>>>> about 30-40k of bandwidth. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Luiz" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> how much of bandwidth a TS session consume as basis of a >>>>>>> user with Internet Explorer and Office (Outlook, Word and >>>>>>> Excel)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Luiz
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