Adding users - another license question

[Guest Jim]

Hi,

I have a Windows 2003 terminal server licensed for 30 concurrent user

connections and a license server issuing per device TS CALs. The users

on the terminal server access mapped drives on a third Windows 2003

server. If I add five users on the terminal server do I need 5 more TS

CALS, 5 more user CALS on the TS _and_ 5 more user CALS on the third

(drive mapped) server?

TIA

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[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Adding users - another license question

 

Before answering your questions, let me make 2 remarks in advance:

 

1. TS Licensing is *never* per concurrent usage, it is either

*total* number of Devices or Users.

2. TS licensing requirements are not directly related to OS

licensing requirements (server CALs).

 

Now your specific situation:

 

TS CALs:

Since you have installed 30 Per Device TS CALs, you are licensed

for a total number of 30 connecting devices, irrespective of which

and how many different users are using these devices.

So adding more users doesn't change your TS licensing requirements.

But if you mean that those 5 new users are going to connect from 5

new client devices, than you need 5 more TS CALs.

 

Server CALs:

Irrespective of your TS licensing mode, you have to choose a server

licensing mode. There are 2 different licensing modes for server

CALs: "Per Server" mode and "Per Device or Per User" mode (used to

be called "Per Seat" in W2K).

If you have only a single server, it doesn't matter which licensing

mode your server is in. But when you have multiple servers in the

domain, the licensing mode becomes important:

 

"Per Server": on each server, you need as many server CALs as the

the maximum number of simultaneous connections to the server.

 

"Per Device or Per User": you need one (1) server CAL for every

user or client; this gives them the right to connect to any number

of servers with a single server CAL.

This is most likely the licensing mode that you want on all of your

servers, because 1 server CAL on each device enables that device

to:

a) authenticate with the DC

b) contact the TS

c) connect to the shared folder on the third server

d) connect to a shared printer on a print server

e) connect to any other server you might have.

If you are currently running in the "Per Server" licensing mode on

your servers, you can change it in Control Panel - Licensing.

Details here:

 

Licensing Overview for Windows Server 2003

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/overv

iew.mspx

 

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

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"Jim" <hoo.me@some.net> wrote on 28 jan 2008 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Hi,

> I have a Windows 2003 terminal server licensed for 30 concurrent

> user connections and a license server issuing per device TS

> CALs. The users on the terminal server access mapped drives on a

> third Windows 2003 server. If I add five users on the terminal

> server do I need 5 more TS CALS, 5 more user CALS on the TS

> _and_ 5 more user CALS on the third (drive mapped) server?

> TIA

[Guest Jim]

Re: Adding users - another license question

 

Hi,

 

Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I understand that TS is not

concurrent - I was referring to the server user CALS of which there are

30 on this particular server. My terminal server licensing is in device

mode and licenses are being issued.

 

For the Windows CALS it seems that I have one file server that is in

"Per Device or Per User" mode but my terminal servers are in server

mode. Will switching the terminal server(s) to per seat or device mode

do any damage? I see that it is a one time option.

 

Since they are accessing the separate file server after connecting to

the terminal server does it make more sense to have them in "Per Device

or Per User" mode?

 

Thanks again

--

 

 

 

Vera Noest [MVP] wrote:

> Before answering your questions, let me make 2 remarks in advance:

>

> 1. TS Licensing is never per concurrent usage, it is either

> total number of Devices or Users.

> 2. TS licensing requirements are not directly related to OS

> licensing requirements (server CALs).

>

> Now your specific situation:

>

> TS CALs:

> Since you have installed 30 Per Device TS CALs, you are licensed

> for a total number of 30 connecting devices, irrespective of which

> and how many different users are using these devices.

> So adding more users doesn't change your TS licensing requirements.

> But if you mean that those 5 new users are going to connect from 5

> new client devices, than you need 5 more TS CALs.

>

> Server CALs:

> Irrespective of your TS licensing mode, you have to choose a server

> licensing mode. There are 2 different licensing modes for server

> CALs: "Per Server" mode and "Per Device or Per User" mode (used to

> be called "Per Seat" in W2K).

> If you have only a single server, it doesn't matter which licensing

> mode your server is in. But when you have multiple servers in the

> domain, the licensing mode becomes important:

>

> "Per Server": on each server, you need as many server CALs as the

> the maximum number of simultaneous connections to the server.

>

> "Per Device or Per User": you need one (1) server CAL for every

> user or client; this gives them the right to connect to any number

> of servers with a single server CAL.

> This is most likely the licensing mode that you want on all of your

> servers, because 1 server CAL on each device enables that device

> to:

> a) authenticate with the DC

> b) contact the TS

> c) connect to the shared folder on the third server

> d) connect to a shared printer on a print server

> e) connect to any other server you might have.

> If you are currently running in the "Per Server" licensing mode on

> your servers, you can change it in Control Panel - Licensing.

> Details here:

>

> Licensing Overview for Windows Server 2003

> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/overv

> iew.mspx

>

> _________________________________________________________

> Vera Noest

> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> "Jim" <hoo.me@some.net> wrote on 28 jan 2008 in

> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

> > Hi,

> > I have a Windows 2003 terminal server licensed for 30 concurrent

> > user connections and a license server issuing per device TS

> > CALs. The users on the terminal server access mapped drives on a

> > third Windows 2003 server. If I add five users on the terminal

> > server do I need 5 more TS CALS, 5 more user CALS on the TS

> > and 5 more user CALS on the third (drive mapped) server?

> > TIA

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Adding users - another license question

 

Yes, I would absolutely switch them to "Per Device or Per User"

mode.

If you don't do that, you will need 30 server CALs for the file

server + 30 server CALs for the TS (and maybe 30 more for your

DC?). Switch mode and you only need 30 server CALs in total

(assuming that you have a total of 30 clients).

 

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

 

"Jim" <hoo.me@some.net> wrote on 29 jan 2008 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Hi,

>

> Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I understand that TS is not

> concurrent - I was referring to the server user CALS of which

> there are 30 on this particular server. My terminal server

> licensing is in device mode and licenses are being issued.

>

> For the Windows CALS it seems that I have one file server that

> is in "Per Device or Per User" mode but my terminal servers are

> in server mode. Will switching the terminal server(s) to per

> seat or device mode do any damage? I see that it is a one time

> option.

>

> Since they are accessing the separate file server after

> connecting to the terminal server does it make more sense to

> have them in "Per Device or Per User" mode?

>

> Thanks again

[Guest Jim]

Re: Adding users - another license question

 

Thanks, I'll do that. I guess that was what I was trying to figure out.

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Vera Noest [MVP] wrote:

> Yes, I would absolutely switch them to "Per Device or Per User"

> mode.

> If you don't do that, you will need 30 server CALs for the file

> server + 30 server CALs for the TS (and maybe 30 more for your

> DC?). Switch mode and you only need 30 server CALs in total

> (assuming that you have a total of 30 clients).

>

> _________________________________________________________

> Vera Noest

> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> "Jim" <hoo.me@some.net> wrote on 29 jan 2008 in

> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I understand that TS is not

> > concurrent - I was referring to the server user CALS of which

> > there are 30 on this particular server. My terminal server

> > licensing is in device mode and licenses are being issued.

> >

> > For the Windows CALS it seems that I have one file server that

> > is in "Per Device or Per User" mode but my terminal servers are

> > in server mode. Will switching the terminal server(s) to per

> > seat or device mode do any damage? I see that it is a one time

> > option.

> >

> > Since they are accessing the separate file server after

> > connecting to the terminal server does it make more sense to

> > have them in "Per Device or Per User" mode?

> >

> > Thanks again