Guest rod Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Is it possible to have a file on CD that is not moveable? I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan. I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it.
Guest MEB Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Re: Hypothetical. "rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:OA8RezuYIHA.1376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | Is it possible to have a file on CD | that is not moveable? | I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan. | I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the | trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it. | Entirely likely. Most Anti-virus [and real time anti-spyware] programs attempt to protect the user from making mistakes in judgment. If you really want to move it, temporarily disable your Anti-virus [and spyware if real time] program, make sure you re-enable it BEFORE doing anything else with that file. RESTART, just to make sure the programs you use are running properly. Also make sure that the variant IS removable before you start BY your particular program. HOWEVER, unless that file is absolutely irreplacable, and you're sure your protection programs can protect you from the potential damage, try to find an uninfected version of that file somewhere else. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________
Guest rod Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Re: Hypothetical. "MEB" > Entirely likely. Most Anti-virus [and real time anti-spyware] programs > attempt to protect the user from making mistakes in judgment. > If you really want to move it, temporarily disable your Anti-virus [and > spyware if real time] program, make sure you re-enable it BEFORE doing > anything else with that file. RESTART, just to make sure the programs you > use are running properly. Also make sure that the variant IS removable > before you start BY your particular program. > HOWEVER, unless that file is absolutely irreplacable, and you're sure your > protection programs can protect you from the potential damage, try to find > an uninfected version of that file somewhere else. > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com Cheers, I did that, closed all my AV still wouldn't copy across I'll sling the program on an old XP in the shed and see what happens trojan included. I thought it <not> possible to have any data irremovable from a location. seems it is. R
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Re: Hypothetical. You can't "Move" ANY file on a CD. By definition, in the computer world, anyway, you "Move" a file by Copying it and then Deleting the original. You can't Delete a file from a CD, thus you can't Delete the original, thus you can't Move the file. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:OA8RezuYIHA.1376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Is it possible to have a file on CD > that is not moveable? > I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan. > I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the > trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it. > > >
Guest PCR Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Re: Hypothetical. rod wrote: | Is it possible to have a file on CD | that is not moveable? | I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan. | I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the | trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it. As Terhune said, a move implies a delete. Files cannot be deleted from a CD, unless it is a CD-R/W. Even then, you need packet writing software to do it (like CeQuadrat which came with my Compaq). If you have met all of those requirements, STILL you will not be able to move a file from a CD (or anywhere), unless its Properties are right. R-Clk the file in Explorer, & select Properties. In the General tab, ensure the file is not Read-Only, or Explorer will not move or delete it. If you are operating in DOS, it also may be necessary to ensure it is not Hidden or System, either. But, in Explorer, it seems only Read-Only is the bugaboo. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest rod Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Re: Hypothetical. Arghhh, shot in the foot by Semantics. by "move" I was meaning copy, meaning the file on the CD was completly impotent, unable to be shifted, read, acted upon or whatever. So, reholstering my gun, Is it possible to have a file on CD that is not able to be moved via copying? I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan. I thought I would move it to HDD via "copy" and remove the trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it. Rod. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:%239Z$YU3YIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > You can't "Move" ANY file on a CD. By definition, in the computer world, > anyway, you "Move" a file by Copying it and then Deleting the original. > You can't Delete a file from a CD, thus you can't Delete the original, > thus you can't Move the file. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message > news:OA8RezuYIHA.1376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Is it possible to have a file on CD >> that is not moveable? >> I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan. >> I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the >> trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it. >> >> >> >
Guest rod Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Re: Hypothetical. Thanks PCR for responding, see my reply Mr. Terhune for clarification. Regards. Rod. > As Terhune said, a move implies a delete. Files cannot be deleted from a > CD, unless it is a CD-R/W. Even then, you need packet writing software > to do it (like CeQuadrat which came with my Compaq). If you have met all > of those requirements, STILL you will not be able to move a file from a > CD (or anywhere), unless its Properties are right.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Hypothetical. Shot by a half-asleep, doped up gramps, no less. Oh, wait... Is that you holding the gun? Anyway, I got nothing better for you. I don't believe whatever scanner claims it's a Trojan. I think it's just a messed up file that can't be read from a CD. Happens all the time. Even if it is a Trojan, who cares? And to what purpose would you "move" it to somewhere else and "remove the Trojan"? It's still on the CD and you can't change that. To get rid of it, you can only destroy the CD. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:OY47OQ5YIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > Arghhh, shot in the foot by Semantics. > by "move" I was meaning copy, meaning the file on the CD > was completly impotent, unable to be shifted, read, acted upon or > whatever. > > So, reholstering my gun, > Is it possible to have a file on CD > that is not able to be moved via copying? > I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan. > I thought I would move it to HDD via "copy" and remove the > trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it. > > Rod. > > > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:%239Z$YU3YIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> You can't "Move" ANY file on a CD. By definition, in the computer world, >> anyway, you "Move" a file by Copying it and then Deleting the original. >> You can't Delete a file from a CD, thus you can't Delete the original, >> thus you can't Move the file. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://www.grystmill.com >> >> "rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message >> news:OA8RezuYIHA.1376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Is it possible to have a file on CD >>> that is not moveable? >>> I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan. >>> I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the >>> trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it. >>> >>> >>> >> > >
Guest PCR Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Hypothetical. "rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:u8qzYQ5YIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | | | Thanks PCR for responding, | see my reply Mr. Terhune for clarification. | Regards. You are welcome. I'll respond over there. | Rod. | | | > As Terhune said, a move implies a delete. Files cannot be deleted from a | > CD, unless it is a CD-R/W. Even then, you need packet writing software | > to do it (like CeQuadrat which came with my Compaq). If you have met all | > of those requirements, STILL you will not be able to move a file from a | > CD (or anywhere), unless its Properties are right. | |
Guest PCR Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Hypothetical. "rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:OY47OQ5YIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | | | Arghhh, shot in the foot by Semantics. | by "move" I was meaning copy, meaning the file on the CD | was completly impotent, unable to be shifted, read, acted upon or whatever. (a) You cannot even get its file Properties? (b) What is the name of the file that won't work? © Do other files on the CD behave normally? (d) What is the name of the CD, & where did you get it? (e) Which virus scanner said it is infected, & does it offer to quarantine it? (f) What error message do you get when you try to copy it? | So, reholstering my gun, Unload it too! | Is it possible to have a file on CD | that is not able to be moved via copying? Are you using Win98 & FAT32? Other OS & file systems may have something built-in to prevent moving a file-- but not this one! Do you get an error message? Can you move other files? | I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan. | I thought I would move it to HDD via "copy" and remove the | trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it. | | Rod. | | | | | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | news:%239Z$YU3YIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > You can't "Move" ANY file on a CD. By definition, in the computer world, | > anyway, you "Move" a file by Copying it and then Deleting the original. | > You can't Delete a file from a CD, thus you can't Delete the original, | > thus you can't Move the file. | > | > -- | > Gary S. Terhune | > MS-MVP Shell/User | > http://www.grystmill.com | > | > "rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message | > news:OA8RezuYIHA.1376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | >> Is it possible to have a file on CD | >> that is not moveable? | >> I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan. | >> I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the | >> trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it. | >> | >> | >> | > | |
Guest rod Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Re: Hypothetical. "PCR" > (a) You cannot even get its file Properties? > (b) What is the name of the file that won't work? > © Do other files on the CD behave normally? > (d) What is the name of the CD, > & where did you get it? > (e) Which virus scanner said it is infected, > & does it offer to quarantine it? > (f) What error message do you get when you try to copy it? Cheers PCR, thanks for your comments. It's obviously a hack of some sort, I googled it and have found the files resume. e) AVG picked it up and offered to heal f) access denied: make sure disk is not write protected etc It's in the dumpster. Still interesting though, legalities notwithstanding that a file cannot be copied or handled in any way (unless probably used during installation) Thanks to grisoft AVG that did not happen. Rod.
Guest PCR Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 Re: Hypothetical. rod wrote: | "PCR" |> (a) You cannot even get its file Properties? |> (b) What is the name of the file that won't work? |> © Do other files on the CD behave normally? |> (d) What is the name of the CD, |> & where did you get it? |> (e) Which virus scanner said it is infected, |> & does it offer to quarantine it? |> (f) What error message do you get when you try to copy it? | | Cheers PCR, thanks for your comments. You are welcome. | It's obviously a hack of some sort, I googled it | and have found the files resume. | e) AVG picked it up and offered to heal | f) access denied: make sure disk is not write protected etc Write protected? I guess write protection could be involved, if you were trying to copy it to a floppy. Perhaps the trojan fooled the system into thinking that's what you tried to do. | It's in the dumpster. OK. That's that, then. Maybe the best thing. | Still interesting though, legalities notwithstanding | that a file cannot be copied or handled in any way | (unless probably used during installation) It's a mystery to me. | Thanks to grisoft AVG that did not happen. | Rod. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
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