Which Video Card?

[Guest Scott]

I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98

First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video

card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon

WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace

this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card

....an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out,

PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade.

 

This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used

for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming

video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played.

 

The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output,

would the improvement in image quality be noticeable?

 

Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going

overboard?

 

Thanks!

Scott

[Guest philo]

Re: Which Video Card?

 

 

"Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message

news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net...

> I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98

> First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video

> card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon

> WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace

> this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card

> ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out,

> PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade.

>

> This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used

> for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming

> video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played.

>

> The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output,

> would the improvement in image quality be noticeable?

>

> Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going

> overboard?

>

> Thanks!

> Scott

 

 

First check to see if Win98 drivers are avail

(go to the website of the video card's mfg)

 

Also check to see if your mobo can accept the newer AGP card

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port

 

Then go for the card with the most RAM.

[Guest MEB]

Re: Which Video Card?

 

 

 

"Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message

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|

|

| Lil' Dave wrote:

| >

| > "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message

| > news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net...

| > >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98

| > > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video

| > > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon

| > > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace

| > > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card

| > > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out,

| > > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade.

| > >

| > > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used

| > > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming

| > > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played.

| > >

| > > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output,

| > > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable?

| > >

| > > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going

| > > overboard?

| > >

| > > Thanks!

| > > Scott

| >

| > My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a

| > jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold

boot.

| > After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot

for

| > video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot

| > video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video

by

| > my judgment.

| > Dave

|

| Dave,

|

| That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing

Rage

| 128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without

the

| video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut

down,

| re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses

an

| analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or

motherboard?

|

| Thanks again!

| Scott

 

Potentially both, or neither.

 

It may be corrosion on the adapter or slot finger. A partially

seated/intermittent connection might cause these issues. Try cleaning both.

This may also be caused, at times, by an almost dead or dead CMOS battery.

Negate any potential hardware issues first.

 

--

 

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

_________

[Guest Lil' Dave]

Re: Which Video Card?

 

"Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message

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>I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98

> First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video

> card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon

> WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace

> this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card

> ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out,

> PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade.

>

> This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used

> for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming

> video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played.

>

> The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output,

> would the improvement in image quality be noticeable?

>

> Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going

> overboard?

>

> Thanks!

> Scott

 

My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a

jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot.

After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for

video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot

video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by

my judgment.

Dave

[Guest Scott]

Re: Which Video Card?

 

 

 

Lil' Dave wrote:

>

> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message

> news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net...

> >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98

> > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video

> > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon

> > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace

> > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card

> > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out,

> > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade.

> >

> > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used

> > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming

> > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played.

> >

> > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output,

> > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable?

> >

> > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going

> > overboard?

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Scott

>

> My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a

> jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot.

> After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for

> video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot

> video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by

> my judgment.

> Dave

 

Dave,

 

That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing Rage

128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without the

video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut down,

re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses an

analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or motherboard?

 

Thanks again!

Scott

[Guest glee]

Re: Which Video Card?

 

"Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AB926B.DBAED28C@uslink.net...

>

> Lil' Dave wrote:

>>

>> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message

>> news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net...

>> >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98

>> > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video

>> > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon

>> > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace

>> > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card

>> > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out,

>> > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade.

>> >

>> > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used

>> > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming

>> > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played.

>> >

>> > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output,

>> > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable?

>> >

>> > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going

>> > overboard?

>> >

>> > Thanks!

>> > Scott

>>

>> My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a

>> jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot.

>> After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for

>> video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot

>> video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by

>> my judgment.

>> Dave

>

> Dave,

>

> That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing Rage

> 128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without the

> video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut down,

> re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses an

> analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or motherboard?

 

Are you sure it is actually booting when there is no display? Do you see hard drive

activity via the hard drive activity LED on the case? Do you hear startup system

sounds from Windows?

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

http://dts-l.net/

http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

[Guest Scott]

Re: Which Video Card?

 

 

 

glee wrote:

>

> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AB926B.DBAED28C@uslink.net...

> >

> > Lil' Dave wrote:

> >>

> >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message

> >> news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net...

> >> >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98

> >> > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video

> >> > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon

> >> > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace

> >> > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card

> >> > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out,

> >> > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade.

> >> >

> >> > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used

> >> > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming

> >> > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played.

> >> >

> >> > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output,

> >> > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable?

> >> >

> >> > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going

> >> > overboard?

> >> >

> >> > Thanks!

> >> > Scott

> >>

> >> My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a

> >> jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot.

> >> After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for

> >> video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot

> >> video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by

> >> my judgment.

> >> Dave

> >

> > Dave,

> >

> > That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing Rage

> > 128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without the

> > video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut down,

> > re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses an

> > analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or motherboard?

>

> Are you sure it is actually booting when there is no display? Do you see hard drive

> activity via the hard drive activity LED on the case? Do you hear startup system

> sounds from Windows?

> --

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

> http://dts-l.net/

> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

 

Glen,

 

Yes, it's actually booting. I can see the hard drive light blinking, and it sounds

like a regular boot. If I shut it down during this process, then on re-boot, it switches

to Scandisk.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Scott

[Guest glee]

Re: Which Video Card?

 

"Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AFEAAF.87E8E95A@uslink.net...

>

>

> glee wrote:

>>

>> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AB926B.DBAED28C@uslink.net...

>> >

>> > Lil' Dave wrote:

>> >>

>> >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message

>> >> news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net...

>> >> >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98

>> >> > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video

>> >> > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon

>> >> > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace

>> >> > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card

>> >> > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out,

>> >> > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade.

>> >> >

>> >> > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used

>> >> > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming

>> >> > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played.

>> >> >

>> >> > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output,

>> >> > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable?

>> >> >

>> >> > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going

>> >> > overboard?

>> >> >

>> >> > Thanks!

>> >> > Scott

>> >>

>> >> My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a

>> >> jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot.

>> >> After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for

>> >> video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot

>> >> video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by

>> >> my judgment.

>> >> Dave

>> >

>> > Dave,

>> >

>> > That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing Rage

>> > 128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without the

>> > video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut down,

>> > re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses an

>> > analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or motherboard?

>>

>> Are you sure it is actually booting when there is no display? Do you see hard

>> drive

>> activity via the hard drive activity LED on the case? Do you hear startup system

>> sounds from Windows?

>> --

>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

>> http://dts-l.net/

>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

>

> Glen,

>

> Yes, it's actually booting. I can see the hard drive light blinking, and it sounds

> like a regular boot. If I shut it down during this process, then on re-boot, it

> switches

> to Scandisk.

>

> Any suggestions?

 

I agree with MEB's last reply re: checking the card for proper seating and possible

corrosion in the slot or on the connector tab of the card, and also on the pins on

the video cable between the card and the monitor, as well as the health of the

battery.

 

I also have a 9200SE, an ATi card. It is AGP 2X/4X/8X compatible. I'm not sure

what Dave is seeing on his card when he describes his as being "1X/2X, with a jumper

for 4X operation". He may have an older model of the card. Mine does not have any

jumper for setting the AGP speed....that is done in the BIOS or by a motherboard

jumper.

 

Mine has always been connected with DVI cable, used with Win98SE and also XP, and I

see no problems or "flakiness" using DVI out. I'm wondering if his and your

problems in that respect are due to insufficient power or to a bad DVI cable.

 

Are you sure you have a video card installed rather than an onboard video chipset?

Have you looked in the case? Your Gateway model is described as having onboard

video, hence my question.

 

You also might find the discussion here of interest, particularly where Saist

discusses the limited space for a video card, although that might not pertain to

your system if it is not the identical motherboard:

http://www.mepislovers.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-3852.html

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

http://dts-l.net/

http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

[Guest Brian A.]

Re: Which Video Card?

 

"Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AFEAAF.87E8E95A@uslink.net...

>

>

> glee wrote:

>>

>> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AB926B.DBAED28C@uslink.net...

>> >

>> > Lil' Dave wrote:

>> >>

>> >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message

>> >> news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net...

>> >> >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98

>> >> > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video

>> >> > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon

>> >> > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace

>> >> > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card

>> >> > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out,

>> >> > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade.

>> >> >

>> >> > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used

>> >> > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming

>> >> > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played.

>> >> >

>> >> > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output,

>> >> > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable?

>> >> >

>> >> > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going

>> >> > overboard?

>> >> >

>> >> > Thanks!

>> >> > Scott

>> >>

>> >> My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a

>> >> jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot.

>> >> After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for

>> >> video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot

>> >> video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by

>> >> my judgment.

>> >> Dave

>> >

>> > Dave,

>> >

>> > That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing Rage

>> > 128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without the

>> > video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut down,

>> > re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses an

>> > analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or motherboard?

>>

>> Are you sure it is actually booting when there is no display? Do you see hard

>> drive

>> activity via the hard drive activity LED on the case? Do you hear startup system

>> sounds from Windows?

>> --

>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

>> http://dts-l.net/

>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

>

> Glen,

>

> Yes, it's actually booting. I can see the hard drive light blinking, and it sounds

> like a regular boot. If I shut it down during this process, then on re-boot, it

> switches

> to Scandisk.

>

> Any suggestions?

>

> Scott

 

If you are using an add-on video card and you do have onboard/integrated video,

make sure it's Disabled in the BIOS if it has the option.

Make sure as suggested earlier that the card is seated firmly, all connections are

secure and all contacts are clean.

 

If you still have problems, make sure you have the drivers for the card and boot to

Safe Mode > Device Manager.

Remove/uninstall Any/All Display Adapter devices listed.

Close out of DM and reboot.

Windows should redetect/reinstall the device/drivers. If not reinstall using the

driver installation you have on hand for the specific card installed.

 

If that fails to resolve the issue, make sure you have the drivers for the ATI

Radeon 9200SE and uninstall the drivers for the present card via DM.

Shut down the machine and pull the power cord from the wall receptacle.

Swap the card out for the ATI Radeon 9200SE.

Plug the power cord back in and reboot.

Install the drivers for the ATI Radeon 9200SE.

 

To test the previous card, install it in another machine and if it displays the

same problem you know the card is bad.

 

 

--

 

 

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }

Conflicts start where information lacks.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/

 

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