Guest Scott Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98 First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card ....an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out, PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade. This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played. The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output, would the improvement in image quality be noticeable? Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going overboard? Thanks! Scott
Guest philo Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Re: Which Video Card? "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net... > I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98 > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out, > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade. > > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played. > > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output, > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable? > > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going > overboard? > > Thanks! > Scott First check to see if Win98 drivers are avail (go to the website of the video card's mfg) Also check to see if your mobo can accept the newer AGP card http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port Then go for the card with the most RAM.
Guest MEB Posted February 7, 2008 Posted February 7, 2008 Re: Which Video Card? "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AB926B.DBAED28C@uslink.net... | | | Lil' Dave wrote: | > | > "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message | > news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net... | > >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98 | > > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video | > > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon | > > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace | > > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card | > > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out, | > > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade. | > > | > > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used | > > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming | > > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played. | > > | > > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output, | > > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable? | > > | > > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going | > > overboard? | > > | > > Thanks! | > > Scott | > | > My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a | > jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot. | > After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for | > video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot | > video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by | > my judgment. | > Dave | | Dave, | | That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing Rage | 128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without the | video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut down, | re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses an | analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or motherboard? | | Thanks again! | Scott Potentially both, or neither. It may be corrosion on the adapter or slot finger. A partially seated/intermittent connection might cause these issues. Try cleaning both. This may also be caused, at times, by an almost dead or dead CMOS battery. Negate any potential hardware issues first. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________
Guest Lil' Dave Posted February 7, 2008 Posted February 7, 2008 Re: Which Video Card? "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net... >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98 > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out, > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade. > > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played. > > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output, > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable? > > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going > overboard? > > Thanks! > Scott My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot. After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by my judgment. Dave
Guest Scott Posted February 7, 2008 Posted February 7, 2008 Re: Which Video Card? Lil' Dave wrote: > > "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message > news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net... > >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98 > > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video > > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon > > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace > > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card > > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out, > > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade. > > > > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used > > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming > > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played. > > > > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output, > > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable? > > > > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going > > overboard? > > > > Thanks! > > Scott > > My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a > jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot. > After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for > video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot > video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by > my judgment. > Dave Dave, That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing Rage 128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without the video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut down, re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses an analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or motherboard? Thanks again! Scott
Guest glee Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 Re: Which Video Card? "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AB926B.DBAED28C@uslink.net... > > Lil' Dave wrote: >> >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message >> news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net... >> >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98 >> > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video >> > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon >> > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace >> > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card >> > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out, >> > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade. >> > >> > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used >> > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming >> > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played. >> > >> > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output, >> > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable? >> > >> > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going >> > overboard? >> > >> > Thanks! >> > Scott >> >> My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a >> jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot. >> After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for >> video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot >> video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by >> my judgment. >> Dave > > Dave, > > That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing Rage > 128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without the > video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut down, > re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses an > analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or motherboard? Are you sure it is actually booting when there is no display? Do you see hard drive activity via the hard drive activity LED on the case? Do you hear startup system sounds from Windows? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
Guest Scott Posted February 11, 2008 Posted February 11, 2008 Re: Which Video Card? glee wrote: > > "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AB926B.DBAED28C@uslink.net... > > > > Lil' Dave wrote: > >> > >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message > >> news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net... > >> >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98 > >> > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video > >> > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon > >> > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace > >> > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card > >> > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out, > >> > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade. > >> > > >> > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used > >> > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming > >> > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played. > >> > > >> > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output, > >> > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable? > >> > > >> > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going > >> > overboard? > >> > > >> > Thanks! > >> > Scott > >> > >> My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a > >> jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot. > >> After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for > >> video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot > >> video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by > >> my judgment. > >> Dave > > > > Dave, > > > > That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing Rage > > 128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without the > > video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut down, > > re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses an > > analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or motherboard? > > Are you sure it is actually booting when there is no display? Do you see hard drive > activity via the hard drive activity LED on the case? Do you hear startup system > sounds from Windows? > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ > http://dts-l.net/ > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm Glen, Yes, it's actually booting. I can see the hard drive light blinking, and it sounds like a regular boot. If I shut it down during this process, then on re-boot, it switches to Scandisk. Any suggestions? Scott
Guest glee Posted February 12, 2008 Posted February 12, 2008 Re: Which Video Card? "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AFEAAF.87E8E95A@uslink.net... > > > glee wrote: >> >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AB926B.DBAED28C@uslink.net... >> > >> > Lil' Dave wrote: >> >> >> >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message >> >> news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net... >> >> >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98 >> >> > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video >> >> > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon >> >> > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace >> >> > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card >> >> > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out, >> >> > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade. >> >> > >> >> > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used >> >> > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming >> >> > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played. >> >> > >> >> > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output, >> >> > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable? >> >> > >> >> > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going >> >> > overboard? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks! >> >> > Scott >> >> >> >> My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a >> >> jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot. >> >> After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for >> >> video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot >> >> video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by >> >> my judgment. >> >> Dave >> > >> > Dave, >> > >> > That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing Rage >> > 128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without the >> > video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut down, >> > re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses an >> > analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or motherboard? >> >> Are you sure it is actually booting when there is no display? Do you see hard >> drive >> activity via the hard drive activity LED on the case? Do you hear startup system >> sounds from Windows? >> -- >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ >> http://dts-l.net/ >> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm > > Glen, > > Yes, it's actually booting. I can see the hard drive light blinking, and it sounds > like a regular boot. If I shut it down during this process, then on re-boot, it > switches > to Scandisk. > > Any suggestions? I agree with MEB's last reply re: checking the card for proper seating and possible corrosion in the slot or on the connector tab of the card, and also on the pins on the video cable between the card and the monitor, as well as the health of the battery. I also have a 9200SE, an ATi card. It is AGP 2X/4X/8X compatible. I'm not sure what Dave is seeing on his card when he describes his as being "1X/2X, with a jumper for 4X operation". He may have an older model of the card. Mine does not have any jumper for setting the AGP speed....that is done in the BIOS or by a motherboard jumper. Mine has always been connected with DVI cable, used with Win98SE and also XP, and I see no problems or "flakiness" using DVI out. I'm wondering if his and your problems in that respect are due to insufficient power or to a bad DVI cable. Are you sure you have a video card installed rather than an onboard video chipset? Have you looked in the case? Your Gateway model is described as having onboard video, hence my question. You also might find the discussion here of interest, particularly where Saist discusses the limited space for a video card, although that might not pertain to your system if it is not the identical motherboard: http://www.mepislovers.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-3852.html -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
Guest Brian A. Posted February 12, 2008 Posted February 12, 2008 Re: Which Video Card? "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AFEAAF.87E8E95A@uslink.net... > > > glee wrote: >> >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message news:47AB926B.DBAED28C@uslink.net... >> > >> > Lil' Dave wrote: >> >> >> >> "Scott" <golden@uslink.net> wrote in message >> >> news:47A95844.E7ACE277@uslink.net... >> >> >I have a used Gateway E3200 450MHZ with 384 MB RAM, running Win98 >> >> > First Edition. With the Rage 128 AR AGP1X, AGP2x, 8.0M memory video >> >> > card that came with it, videos are often choppy. I have a Radeon >> >> > WBUC070 video card with AGP 32MB, SVGA video card available to replace >> >> > this card. It looks like the model is 7000 A70L. I have another card >> >> > ...an ATI Radeon 9200SE Stealth video card with 128MB DDR, DVI Out, >> >> > PCI version. I assume that either of these cards would be an upgrade. >> >> > >> >> > This computer has a Samsung 173P LCD monitor. The computer is used >> >> > for basic email and internet, which occasionally involves streaming >> >> > video. There's no gaming done on this system, and no DVD's are played. >> >> > >> >> > The Samsung monitor accepts DVI. With the Radeon 9200SE's DVI output, >> >> > would the improvement in image quality be noticeable? >> >> > >> >> > Which of these video cards would be the best upgrade, without going >> >> > overboard? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks! >> >> > Scott >> >> >> >> My experience with the 9200SE card in 98SE/ME/XP. Its a 1X/2X, with a >> >> jumper for 4X operation. The DVI out is flaky. Works fine at cold boot. >> >> After reboot is initiated, no video present in windows. Must cold boot for >> >> video in windows. Am using an Optiquest 20.5" Digital monitor. Reboot >> >> video problem does not exist in analog. No apparent difference in video by >> >> my judgment. >> >> Dave >> > >> > Dave, >> > >> > That's very interesting. One of the reasons I want to change this existing Rage >> > 128 video card is that often at cold boot, it starts booting up without the >> > video (doesn't show bootup info or windows after bootup). I have to shut down, >> > re-boot...often 1-3 times for the video to start working. This card uses an >> > analog connection. Do you think this is a video card issue or motherboard? >> >> Are you sure it is actually booting when there is no display? Do you see hard >> drive >> activity via the hard drive activity LED on the case? Do you hear startup system >> sounds from Windows? >> -- >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ >> http://dts-l.net/ >> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm > > Glen, > > Yes, it's actually booting. I can see the hard drive light blinking, and it sounds > like a regular boot. If I shut it down during this process, then on re-boot, it > switches > to Scandisk. > > Any suggestions? > > Scott If you are using an add-on video card and you do have onboard/integrated video, make sure it's Disabled in the BIOS if it has the option. Make sure as suggested earlier that the card is seated firmly, all connections are secure and all contacts are clean. If you still have problems, make sure you have the drivers for the card and boot to Safe Mode > Device Manager. Remove/uninstall Any/All Display Adapter devices listed. Close out of DM and reboot. Windows should redetect/reinstall the device/drivers. If not reinstall using the driver installation you have on hand for the specific card installed. If that fails to resolve the issue, make sure you have the drivers for the ATI Radeon 9200SE and uninstall the drivers for the present card via DM. Shut down the machine and pull the power cord from the wall receptacle. Swap the card out for the ATI Radeon 9200SE. Plug the power cord back in and reboot. Install the drivers for the ATI Radeon 9200SE. To test the previous card, install it in another machine and if it displays the same problem you know the card is bad. -- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
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