What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

[Guest StargateFan]

Thank you! :)

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (916281)

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.mspx

 

MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow Remote Code

Execution (918439)

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.mspx

 

MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow Remote Code

Execution (917344)

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.mspx

 

MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow Remote Code

Execution (917734)

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.mspx

 

MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could Allow Remote Code

Execution (918547)

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.mspx

==============================

All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are available at

http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and

http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp. No more

updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06; Support fot Win9x ended on

11 Jul-06.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

 

StargateFan wrote:

> Thank you! :)

[Guest thanatoid]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in

news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer

> (916281)

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.

> mspx

>

> MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow

> Remote Code Execution (918439)

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.

> mspx

>

> MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow

> Remote Code Execution (917344)

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.

> mspx

>

> MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow

> Remote Code Execution (917734)

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.

> mspx

>

> MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could

> Allow Remote Code Execution (918547)

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.

> mspx ==============================

> All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are

> available at http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and

> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp

> . No more updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06;

> Support fot Win9x ended on 11 Jul-06.

 

OP:

 

The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points out the

basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them have to do

with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1% has to do with

problems in MS "graphics rendering engines" etc. and ONLY occur

when running MS programs. Not to mention few people write

malware that will run on 98 anymore. XP and Disasta offer MUCH

more exciting opportunities for making a real mess of your

machine.

 

So:

 

1. Do not use Internet Explorer for anything except viewing chm

help files (thank you Microsoft). (You can actually remove IE

entirely with the program from http://www.litepc.com in spite of what

MS and its brainwashed slaves claim).

 

2. Get a real browser, a real newsreader and a real mail

program.

 

3. Do not use Windows Media Player (duuh).

 

4. Do not use MS Office.

 

There are far superior and usually free alternatives for all MS

products claiming to perform the above functions.

 

5. Forget about the word "update".

 

Should you decide not to follow the sage advice above, and if

you really enjoy wading deep in the MS mud, an excellent source

of updates for 98SE is at:

 

http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

 

 

 

--

"As you know, it is considered bad form to discuss the latest

news with persons from the beyond."

Karel Capek

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

What a crock of OT FUD. Go peddle it someplace else, 'toid.

 

thanatoid wrote:

<snip>

> The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points out the

> basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them have to do

> with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1% has to do with

> problems in MS "graphics rendering engines" etc. and ONLY occur

> when running MS programs. Not to mention few people write

> malware that will run on 98 anymore...

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

Maybe he could try the Win 3.1 newsgroup. :-)

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> What a crock of OT FUD. Go peddle it someplace else, 'toid.

>

> thanatoid wrote:

> <snip>

>> The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points out the

>> basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them have to do

>> with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1% has to do with

>> problems in MS "graphics rendering engines" etc. and ONLY occur

>> when running MS programs. Not to mention few people write

>> malware that will run on 98 anymore...

[Guest MEB]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

Ah, though not officially supported, Microsoft did produce additional

Certificates updates, the last I downloaded for 9X was version

16...12-13-2007.

 

--

 

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

_________

 

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (916281)

| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.mspx

|

| MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow Remote Code

| Execution (918439)

| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.mspx

|

| MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow Remote Code

| Execution (917344)

| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.mspx

|

| MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow Remote Code

| Execution (917734)

| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.mspx

|

| MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could Allow Remote

Code

| Execution (918547)

| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.mspx

| ==============================

| All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are available at

| http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and

| http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp. No more

| updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06; Support fot Win9x ended

on

| 11 Jul-06.

| --

| ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

| MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

| AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

| DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

|

| StargateFan wrote:

| > Thank you! :)

|

[Guest thanatoid]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in

news:ulx#dwOcIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> What a crock of OT FUD. Go peddle it someplace else,

> 'toid.

 

Nice job top-posting, PA. And what a surprising post from a

brainwashed MS slave.

> thanatoid wrote:

> <snip>

>> The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points

>> out the basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them

>> have to do with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1%

>> has to do with problems in MS "graphics rendering engines"

>> etc. and ONLY occur when running MS programs. Not to

>> mention few people write malware that will run on 98

>> anymore...

>

 

 

 

--

"As you know, it is considered bad form to discuss the latest

news with persons from the beyond."

Karel Capek

[Guest thanatoid]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in

news:uqxN6zOcIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> Maybe he could try the Win 3.1 newsgroup. :-)

 

Nice job top-posting, Bill. And what a surprising post from

someone who has repeatedly proven he REALLY knows what he's

talking about.

> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>> What a crock of OT FUD. Go peddle it someplace else,

>> 'toid.

>>

>> thanatoid wrote:

>> <snip>

>>> The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points

>>> out the basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of

>>> them have to do with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other

>>> 1% has to do with problems in MS "graphics rendering

>>> engines" etc. and ONLY occur when running MS programs.

>>> Not to mention few people write malware that will run on

>>> 98 anymore...

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

"As you know, it is considered bad form to discuss the latest

news with persons from the beyond."

Karel Capek

[Guest StargateFan]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

On 16 Feb 2008 19:47:52 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid>

wrote:

>"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in

>news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

>

>> MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer

>> (916281)

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.

>> mspx

>>

>> MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow

>> Remote Code Execution (918439)

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.

>> mspx

>>

>> MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow

>> Remote Code Execution (917344)

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.

>> mspx

>>

>> MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow

>> Remote Code Execution (917734)

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.

>> mspx

>>

>> MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could

>> Allow Remote Code Execution (918547)

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.

>> mspx ==============================

>> All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are

>> available at http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and

>> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp

>> . No more updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06;

>> Support fot Win9x ended on 11 Jul-06.

>

>OP:

>

>The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points out the

>basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them have to do

>with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1% has to do with

>problems in MS "graphics rendering engines" etc. and ONLY occur

>when running MS programs. Not to mention few people write

>malware that will run on 98 anymore. XP and Disasta offer MUCH

>more exciting opportunities for making a real mess of your

>machine.

>

>So:

>

>1. Do not use Internet Explorer for anything except viewing chm

>help files (thank you Microsoft). (You can actually remove IE

>entirely with the program from http://www.litepc.com in spite of what

>MS and its brainwashed slaves claim).

 

Been using Firefox for a few years now <g>.

>2. Get a real browser, a real newsreader and a real mail

>program.

 

Agent many years before that <g> ...

>3. Do not use Windows Media Player (duuh).

 

Good. Safe there, too. Years ago heard of problems and have only

ever used WMP6 Classic!

>4. Do not use MS Office.

 

Ouch. That's a toughie since still I still work in office. Despite

my indifference to anything M$, have to say that nothing comes close

to Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint! These 3 apps make up for some of

the garbage the rest of the whole M$ family is!

 

However, hate to say it but I'm migrating over to Linux so this won't

be as big an issue. Have had XP for about 15 months now and it's

eroded what little patience I had left since Win98SE went. After

98SE, Windows has steadily progressed downhill! 98SE was superb;

can't say very much positive about 2K and virtually nothing good about

XP. Oh ... my mistake ... XP is very pretty!

 

However, a colleague gave me his old computer that was gathering dust.

It's small, just 20gigs but I'm looking forward to using Win98SE

again. Despite any inherent system designs/flaws with 98SE, went

nearly 8 years at home virtually problem-free on it. One of the

reasons I'm enjoying Linux forays is the ease of use and knowing that

I'm returning to a text-based user interface alongside a GUI-based

one. That was one of Win98SE's strengths for me.

>There are far superior and usually free alternatives for all MS

>products claiming to perform the above functions.

 

Yeah, going to learn OpenOffice since it comes packaged with the Linux

distro I'm currently looking at. I'll probably eventually switch

everything M$ to OO. Just will take some time <g>.

>5. Forget about the word "update".

 

<g> I never did do the update thing. But now that Win98SE is no

longer supported, my plan is to dl the last, comprehensive "update"

and after installing Win98SE, apply it and that's the end of that.

>Should you decide not to follow the sage advice above, and if

>you really enjoy wading deep in the MS mud, an excellent source

>of updates for 98SE is at:

>

>http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

 

Thanks! I'm actually not an update fan but a colleague harped on and

on about it this week I may take the plunge with the "new" box a

colleague gave to me that I mention above. I prefer to install

Win98SE and maintain security apps on it rather than updating even

though everyone always harps on about the no-no aspect of that.

 

As an aside, nice to know that Linux seems to be run on a better

foundation. Can't tell you how many Windows users in my circle of

family and friends who are not computer literate have had their

computers run into the ground because they didn't know they need

firewalls, anti-virus apps, anti-spyware apps, anti- ..., ad

infinitum, ad nauseum!

 

But getting back to 98SE, it is and always will be my favourite

Windows flavour. It allowed me extreme control, the registry never

talked back to me, every single change I _ever_ made to it or the

system in general was _always_ obeyed ...

 

For the 15 months, I've fought daily battles for dominance and control

over my stupid XP box which gives me nothing but trouble. XP experts

on the ngs never solved the details vs. large icons war! _None_ of

their expertise did one bit of good! <ha!> I've even had to use a WE

replacement (such a stupid thing to have to find alternative for!).

 

Anyway, thanks for the help, guys. Much appreciated. Last thing to

say is that who wants the latest Ferarri that limps along and gives

less-than-ideal mileage when the sleek volkswagen outstrips it in

performance every time (not talking the hardware advances; undoubtably

good. Just don't need 'em! Performance and reliability much more

important to me!) :oD

[Guest StargateFan]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:51:16 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>

wrote:

> Ah, though not officially supported, Microsoft did produce additional

>Certificates updates, the last I downloaded for 9X was version

>16...12-13-2007.

 

Thanks.

>MEB

>http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

>_________

>

>

>"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>| MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (916281)

>| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.mspx

>|

>| MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow Remote Code

>| Execution (918439)

>| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.mspx

>|

>| MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow Remote Code

>| Execution (917344)

>| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.mspx

>|

>| MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow Remote Code

>| Execution (917734)

>| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.mspx

>|

>| MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could Allow Remote

>Code

>| Execution (918547)

>| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.mspx

>| ==============================

>| All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are available at

>| http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and

>| http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp. No more

>| updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06; Support fot Win9x ended

>on

>| 11 Jul-06.

>| --

>| ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>| MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>| AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>| DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>|

>| StargateFan wrote:

>| > Thank you! :)

>|

>

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

[That's not a critical security update, MEB.]

 

MEB wrote:

> Ah, though not officially supported, Microsoft did produce additional

> Certificates updates, the last I downloaded for 9X was version

> 16...12-13-2007.

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (916281)

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.mspx

>>

>> MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow Remote Code

>> Execution (918439)

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.mspx

>>

>> MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow Remote Code

>> Execution (917344)

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.mspx

>>

>> MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow Remote Code

>> Execution (917734)

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.mspx

>>

>> MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could Allow Remote

>> Code

>> Execution (918547)

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.mspx

>> ==============================

>> All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are available at

>> http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and

>> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp. No more

>> updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06; Support fot Win9x ended

>> on

>> 11 Jul-06.

>> --

>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>

>> StargateFan wrote:

>>> Thank you! :)

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

I rest my case.

 

thanatoid wrote:

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in

> news:ulx#dwOcIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

>

>> What a crock of OT FUD. Go peddle it someplace else,

>> 'toid.

>

> Nice job top-posting, PA. And what a surprising post from a

> brainwashed MS slave.

>

>> thanatoid wrote:

>> <snip>

>>> The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points

>>> out the basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them

>>> have to do with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1%

>>> has to do with problems in MS "graphics rendering engines"

>>> etc. and ONLY occur when running MS programs. Not to

>>> mention few people write malware that will run on 98

>>> anymore...

[Guest MEB]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

 

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23ddPVpTcIHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| [That's not a critical security update, MEB.]

 

Huh, I can't believe you said that,,, so from that presentation we can

presume that none of the Certificates are critical for any of the numerous

functions they are used for, such as ensuring ActiveX objects, scripts {like

one might find in .asp pages or .net apps], and DirectX are signed by

qualified and current authorities and that the "rights" assigned thereby are

NOT critical nor are part of security , . hmm, okay, so all the hype about

better security in XP and VISTA really IS pure crap then [since they happen

to be used for even more functions in those environments and are one of the

supposed key elements thereof, particularly in networked environments]...

Thanks for correcting my error... ah yeah..

 

--

 

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

_________

 

 

|

| MEB wrote:

| > Ah, though not officially supported, Microsoft did produce additional

| > Certificates updates, the last I downloaded for 9X was version

| > 16...12-13-2007.

| >

| > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

| > news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| >> MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (916281)

| >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.mspx

| >>

| >> MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow Remote Code

| >> Execution (918439)

| >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.mspx

| >>

| >> MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow Remote Code

| >> Execution (917344)

| >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.mspx

| >>

| >> MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow Remote Code

| >> Execution (917734)

| >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.mspx

| >>

| >> MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could Allow Remote

| >> Code

| >> Execution (918547)

| >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.mspx

| >> ==============================

| >> All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are available at

| >> http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and

| >> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp. No more

| >> updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06; Support fot Win9x

ended

| >> on

| >> 11 Jul-06.

| >> --

| >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

| >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

| >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

| >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

| >>

| >> StargateFan wrote:

| >>> Thank you! :)

|

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

WARNING!!!

 

"Thanatoid" is not a real being and in particular is missing key components

that result in his not being human at all. He has exhibited plenty of

anti-human behavior in these groups. Agree with him on specific issues if

you must, but don't fall in to the trap of thinking he's a "kindred spirit".

He WILL turn on you and injury may result.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"StargateFan" <IDon'tAcceptSpam@IDon'tAcceptSpam.com> wrote in message

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> On 16 Feb 2008 19:47:52 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid>

> wrote:

>

>>"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in

>>news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

>>

>>> MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer

>>> (916281)

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.

>>> mspx

>>>

>>> MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow

>>> Remote Code Execution (918439)

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.

>>> mspx

>>>

>>> MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow

>>> Remote Code Execution (917344)

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.

>>> mspx

>>>

>>> MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow

>>> Remote Code Execution (917734)

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.

>>> mspx

>>>

>>> MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could

>>> Allow Remote Code Execution (918547)

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.

>>> mspx ==============================

>>> All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are

>>> available at http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and

>>> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp

>>> . No more updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06;

>>> Support fot Win9x ended on 11 Jul-06.

>>

>>OP:

>>

>>The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points out the

>>basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them have to do

>>with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1% has to do with

>>problems in MS "graphics rendering engines" etc. and ONLY occur

>>when running MS programs. Not to mention few people write

>>malware that will run on 98 anymore. XP and Disasta offer MUCH

>>more exciting opportunities for making a real mess of your

>>machine.

>>

>>So:

>>

>>1. Do not use Internet Explorer for anything except viewing chm

>>help files (thank you Microsoft). (You can actually remove IE

>>entirely with the program from http://www.litepc.com in spite of what

>>MS and its brainwashed slaves claim).

>

> Been using Firefox for a few years now <g>.

>

>>2. Get a real browser, a real newsreader and a real mail

>>program.

>

> Agent many years before that <g> ...

>

>>3. Do not use Windows Media Player (duuh).

>

> Good. Safe there, too. Years ago heard of problems and have only

> ever used WMP6 Classic!

>

>>4. Do not use MS Office.

>

> Ouch. That's a toughie since still I still work in office. Despite

> my indifference to anything M$, have to say that nothing comes close

> to Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint! These 3 apps make up for some of

> the garbage the rest of the whole M$ family is!

>

> However, hate to say it but I'm migrating over to Linux so this won't

> be as big an issue. Have had XP for about 15 months now and it's

> eroded what little patience I had left since Win98SE went. After

> 98SE, Windows has steadily progressed downhill! 98SE was superb;

> can't say very much positive about 2K and virtually nothing good about

> XP. Oh ... my mistake ... XP is very pretty!

>

> However, a colleague gave me his old computer that was gathering dust.

> It's small, just 20gigs but I'm looking forward to using Win98SE

> again. Despite any inherent system designs/flaws with 98SE, went

> nearly 8 years at home virtually problem-free on it. One of the

> reasons I'm enjoying Linux forays is the ease of use and knowing that

> I'm returning to a text-based user interface alongside a GUI-based

> one. That was one of Win98SE's strengths for me.

>

>>There are far superior and usually free alternatives for all MS

>>products claiming to perform the above functions.

>

> Yeah, going to learn OpenOffice since it comes packaged with the Linux

> distro I'm currently looking at. I'll probably eventually switch

> everything M$ to OO. Just will take some time <g>.

>

>>5. Forget about the word "update".

>

> <g> I never did do the update thing. But now that Win98SE is no

> longer supported, my plan is to dl the last, comprehensive "update"

> and after installing Win98SE, apply it and that's the end of that.

>

>>Should you decide not to follow the sage advice above, and if

>>you really enjoy wading deep in the MS mud, an excellent source

>>of updates for 98SE is at:

>>

>>http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

>

> Thanks! I'm actually not an update fan but a colleague harped on and

> on about it this week I may take the plunge with the "new" box a

> colleague gave to me that I mention above. I prefer to install

> Win98SE and maintain security apps on it rather than updating even

> though everyone always harps on about the no-no aspect of that.

>

> As an aside, nice to know that Linux seems to be run on a better

> foundation. Can't tell you how many Windows users in my circle of

> family and friends who are not computer literate have had their

> computers run into the ground because they didn't know they need

> firewalls, anti-virus apps, anti-spyware apps, anti- ..., ad

> infinitum, ad nauseum!

>

> But getting back to 98SE, it is and always will be my favourite

> Windows flavour. It allowed me extreme control, the registry never

> talked back to me, every single change I _ever_ made to it or the

> system in general was _always_ obeyed ...

>

> For the 15 months, I've fought daily battles for dominance and control

> over my stupid XP box which gives me nothing but trouble. XP experts

> on the ngs never solved the details vs. large icons war! _None_ of

> their expertise did one bit of good! <ha!> I've even had to use a WE

> replacement (such a stupid thing to have to find alternative for!).

>

> Anyway, thanks for the help, guys. Much appreciated. Last thing to

> say is that who wants the latest Ferarri that limps along and gives

> less-than-ideal mileage when the sleek volkswagen outstrips it in

> performance every time (not talking the hardware advances; undoubtably

> good. Just don't need 'em! Performance and reliability much more

> important to me!) :oD

>

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

I presumed you were referring to Root Certificates updates, MEB. If such is

not the case, ignore my last reply.

 

MEB wrote:

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23ddPVpTcIHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> [That's not a critical security update, MEB.]

>

> Huh, I can't believe you said that,,, so from that presentation we can

> presume that none of the Certificates are critical for any of the numerous

> functions they are used for, such as ensuring ActiveX objects, scripts

> {like

> one might find in .asp pages or .net apps], and DirectX are signed by

> qualified and current authorities and that the "rights" assigned thereby

> are

> NOT critical nor are part of security , . hmm, okay, so all the hype about

> better security in XP and VISTA really IS pure crap then [since they

> happen

> to be used for even more functions in those environments and are one of

> the

> supposed key elements thereof, particularly in networked environments]...

> Thanks for correcting my error... ah yeah..

>

>

>>

>> MEB wrote:

>>> Ah, though not officially supported, Microsoft did produce additional

>>> Certificates updates, the last I downloaded for 9X was version

>>> 16...12-13-2007.

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (916281)

>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.mspx

>>>>

>>>> MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow Remote Code

>>>> Execution (918439)

>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.mspx

>>>>

>>>> MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow Remote Code

>>>> Execution (917344)

>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.mspx

>>>>

>>>> MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow Remote Code

>>>> Execution (917734)

>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.mspx

>>>>

>>>> MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could Allow Remote

>>>> Code

>>>> Execution (918547)

>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.mspx

>>>> ==============================

>>>> All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are available at

>>>> http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and

>>>> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp. No more

>>>> updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06; Support fot Win9x

>>>> ended

>>>> on

>>>> 11 Jul-06.

>>>> --

>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>>>

>>>> StargateFan wrote:

>>>>> Thank you! :)

[Guest thanatoid]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in

news:#xio9jXcIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> WARNING!!!

>

> "Thanatoid" is not a real being and in particular is

> missing key components that result in his not being human

> at all. He has exhibited plenty of anti-human behavior in

> these groups. Agree with him on specific issues if you

> must, but don't fall in to the trap of thinking he's a

> "kindred spirit". He WILL turn on you and injury may

> result.

>

 

"Into" a trap, Gary. Not "in to". Sigh.

 

I disabled my KF because it's been getting really boring, so I

saw this post. You REALLY should know how to spell my nym by

now.

 

Aside from that, you actually managed to be funny (and somewhat

insightful, too, although that I suspect is more of an

incidental result of overextending the joke). Congratulations.

Quite a change from the usual same-old.

 

Do I have your permission to use this post (including the

author's and NG name) as my new sig?

 

Regards

t.

 

 

--

"As you know, it is considered bad form to discuss the latest

news with persons from the beyond."

Karel Capek

[Guest MEB]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

 

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23vEuitYcIHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| I presumed you were referring to Root Certificates updates, MEB. If such

is

| not the case, ignore my last reply.

 

Actually, I was referring to that in addition to other certificates which

you might be using or found on the Internet, and/or used within networks or

component applications. remember, not every 9X user is still using IE 6, but

may be using other browsers which CAN use the newer formatted Certs.

 

For instance, when using SSL, without the proper servers certificate and

its "rights" [such as on live.com] how would you suggest that users ensure

these scripts and other aspects are checked for validity?

 

Let's continue with Google and any of its offerings such as webmaster

tools, gmail, or other secured aspects. Without verified and valid

certificates, how would you suggest that a user be protected from a "blind

site" attack [a web page placed to ensnare the unsuspecting into the belief

its the actual site]? Merely by checking the address? Surely not...

 

Let's say your network has been configured with certificate verification

for applications or access generally, how would you suggest this is done

without valid and verified certificates [yous or other created]?

 

Let's look at IE 7, or one of the still supported browsers for 9X [a better

comparison] which rely heavily upon this type of verification for allowances

within the browser and upon the system, would you then be indicating that

these are unnecessary, and that these checks are, in fact, worthless?

This would be really interesting to those IE 7 users as that impliments

more of the "rights" and restrictions than IE 6 does, is it that IE 7 is

nothing more than a sham with nothing of value but perhaps a prettier [ugh]

interface?.

 

You, of course, using XP or VISTA, receive your certificate updates

automatically and invisibly, we, the 9X user do not. Would this perhaps then

indicate that we should be unconcered with these issues?

Or is it more, that you may fail to appreciate our needs and desires for

what these cetificates can mean within our systems?

Is it that you are suggesting that we should remain at the "END OF SUPPORT"

level, leaving us potentially vulnerable via ActiveX and the other which

might be encountered upon the Internet?

Or, perhaps, you're suggesting that ONLY via the use of one of Microsoft's

newer OSs can a user safely access the Internet?

 

Sorry about this, but I still use 9X, and not in a VM.

 

--

 

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

_________

 

 

|

| MEB wrote:

| > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

| > news:%23ddPVpTcIHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| >> [That's not a critical security update, MEB.]

| >

| > Huh, I can't believe you said that,,, so from that presentation we can

| > presume that none of the Certificates are critical for any of the

numerous

| > functions they are used for, such as ensuring ActiveX objects, scripts

| > {like

| > one might find in .asp pages or .net apps], and DirectX are signed by

| > qualified and current authorities and that the "rights" assigned thereby

| > are

| > NOT critical nor are part of security , . hmm, okay, so all the hype

about

| > better security in XP and VISTA really IS pure crap then [since they

| > happen

| > to be used for even more functions in those environments and are one of

| > the

| > supposed key elements thereof, particularly in networked

environments]...

| > Thanks for correcting my error... ah yeah..

| >

| >

| >>

| >> MEB wrote:

| >>> Ah, though not officially supported, Microsoft did produce additional

| >>> Certificates updates, the last I downloaded for 9X was version

| >>> 16...12-13-2007.

| >>>

| >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

| >>> news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| >>>> MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (916281)

| >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.mspx

| >>>>

| >>>> MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow Remote Code

| >>>> Execution (918439)

| >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.mspx

| >>>>

| >>>> MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow Remote Code

| >>>> Execution (917344)

| >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.mspx

| >>>>

| >>>> MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow Remote

Code

| >>>> Execution (917734)

| >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.mspx

| >>>>

| >>>> MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could Allow

Remote

| >>>> Code

| >>>> Execution (918547)

| >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.mspx

| >>>> ==============================

| >>>> All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are available at

| >>>> http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and

| >>>> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp. No

more

| >>>> updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06; Support fot Win9x

| >>>> ended

| >>>> on

| >>>> 11 Jul-06.

| >>>> --

| >>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

| >>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

| >>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

| >>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

| >>>>

| >>>> StargateFan wrote:

| >>>>> Thank you! :)

|

[Guest thanatoid]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:eq3OQBbcIHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23vEuitYcIHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>| I presumed you were referring to Root Certificates

>| updates, MEB.

 

<SNIP>

> Is it that you are suggesting that we should remain at the

> "END OF SUPPORT"

> level, leaving us potentially vulnerable via ActiveX and

> the other which might be encountered upon the Internet?

> Or, perhaps, you're suggesting that ONLY via the use of

> one of Microsoft's

> newer OSs can a user safely access the Internet?

 

Of course that's what he's suggesting, he has to lick the hand

that feeds him! (Yes, I know MVP's "don't get any money from

MS".)

 

After all, Vista is the most stable, compatible, safest, and

best operating system Microsoft has ever released! Why, with the

stellar-performing Live OneCare including the award-winning

Windows Firewall, not to mention MS watching your every move on

the net, what, us worry?

 

(Sorry, MEB, it's one of those days.)

 

 

--

"As you know, it is considered bad form to discuss the latest

news with persons from the beyond."

Karel Capek

[Guest MEB]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

So I see, hey we all have those times when lashing out seems to at least

take away some of the daily pain...

 

But, I am trying to determine what PA actually meant regarding these

indications, so kinda "bear" with me on this one...

 

--

 

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

_________

[Guest thanatoid]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:eE6#cvccIHA.6080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> So I see, hey we all have those times when lashing out

> seems to at least take away some of the daily pain...

 

It's a silly distraction until the final repose comes, yes...

Others often suffer as a result, I know this as well.

> But, I am trying to determine what PA actually meant

> regarding these

> indications, so kinda "bear" with me on this one...

 

As you know, there are many things I know nothing about. Like

about the intricacies of that point of your discussion - except

that several things kept cropping up in the discussion which

made me think "if they didn't use IE with its ActiveX component

they would not have most (if not all) of these problems". But I

could be wrong.

 

And I'll shut up now.

 

I hope he will be willing to clarify his stand on this for you.

 

Take care.

 

 

--

"As you know, it is considered bad form to discuss the latest

news with persons from the beyond."

Karel Capek

[Guest MEB]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dl for Win98SE?

 

 

 

"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message

news:Xns9A482C7F5A3Fthanexit@66.250.146.158...

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in

| news:eE6#cvccIHA.6080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

|

| > So I see, hey we all have those times when lashing out

| > seems to at least take away some of the daily pain...

|

| It's a silly distraction until the final repose comes, yes...

| Others often suffer as a result, I know this as well.

 

Well the forums can be a relief and a release, and regardless of former

accusations, I'm not this forum's nanny...

 

|

| > But, I am trying to determine what PA actually meant

| > regarding these

| > indications, so kinda "bear" with me on this one...

|

| As you know, there are many things I know nothing about. Like

| about the intricacies of that point of your discussion - except

| that several things kept cropping up in the discussion which

| made me think "if they didn't use IE with its ActiveX component

| they would not have most (if not all) of these problems". But I

| could be wrong.

 

Well, to a point that would seem to be correct, however, these Certs can be

imported into several of the other browsers to help control Internet

activities and use sites which otherwise might not be safely accessable

otherwise [script or code wise anyway].

 

|

| And I'll shut up now.

 

Well no need for that, seems the group needs some spark every once in

awhile [[ then again its not me who seems to receive these most of the

time]]..

 

|

| I hope he will be willing to clarify his stand on this for you.

 

So do I!

 

|

| Take care.

|

|

| --

| "As you know, it is considered bad form to discuss the latest

| news with persons from the beyond."

| Karel Capek

 

Well don't run off, heck even had the old digs and daggers goin' for awhile

this past week, kinda like the old days in here...

 

--

 

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

_________

[Guest Esra Sdrawkcab]

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dlfor Win98SE?

 

Re: What is final, last windows update, security file we should dlfor Win98SE?

 

StargateFan wrote:

> On 16 Feb 2008 19:47:52 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid>

> wrote:

>

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in

>> news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

>>

>>> MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer

>>> (916281)

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.

>>> mspx

>>>

>>> MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow

>>> Remote Code Execution (918439)

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.

>>> mspx

>>>

>>> MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow

>>> Remote Code Execution (917344)

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.

>>> mspx

>>>

>>> MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow

>>> Remote Code Execution (917734)

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.

>>> mspx

>>>

>>> MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could

>>> Allow Remote Code Execution (918547)

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.

>>> mspx ==============================

>>> All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are

>>> available at http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and

>>> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp

>>> . No more updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06;

>>> Support fot Win9x ended on 11 Jul-06.

>> OP:

>>

>> The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points out the

>> basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them have to do

>> with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1% has to do with

>> problems in MS "graphics rendering engines" etc. and ONLY occur

>> when running MS programs. Not to mention few people write

>> malware that will run on 98 anymore. XP and Disasta offer MUCH

>> more exciting opportunities for making a real mess of your

>> machine.

>>

>> So:

>>

>> 1. Do not use Internet Explorer for anything except viewing chm

>> help files (thank you Microsoft). (You can actually remove IE

>> entirely with the program from http://www.litepc.com in spite of what

>> MS and its brainwashed slaves claim).

>

> Been using Firefox for a few years now <g>.

>

>> 2. Get a real browser, a real newsreader and a real mail

>> program.

>

> Agent many years before that <g> ...

>

>> 3. Do not use Windows Media Player (duuh).

>

> Good. Safe there, too. Years ago heard of problems and have only

> ever used WMP6 Classic!

>

>> 4. Do not use MS Office.

>

> Ouch. That's a toughie since still I still work in office. Despite

> my indifference to anything M$, have to say that nothing comes close

> to Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint! These 3 apps make up for some of

> the garbage the rest of the whole M$ family is!

>

> However, hate to say it but I'm migrating over to Linux so this won't

> be as big an issue. Have had XP for about 15 months now and it's

> eroded what little patience I had left since Win98SE went. After

> 98SE, Windows has steadily progressed downhill! 98SE was superb;

> can't say very much positive about 2K and virtually nothing good about

> XP. Oh ... my mistake ... XP is very pretty!

>

> However, a colleague gave me his old computer that was gathering dust.

> It's small, just 20gigs but I'm looking forward to using Win98SE

> again. Despite any inherent system designs/flaws with 98SE, went

> nearly 8 years at home virtually problem-free on it. One of the

> reasons I'm enjoying Linux forays is the ease of use and knowing that

> I'm returning to a text-based user interface alongside a GUI-based

> one. That was one of Win98SE's strengths for me.

>

>> There are far superior and usually free alternatives for all MS

>> products claiming to perform the above functions.

>

> Yeah, going to learn OpenOffice since it comes packaged with the Linux

> distro I'm currently looking at. I'll probably eventually switch

> everything M$ to OO. Just will take some time <g>.

>

>> 5. Forget about the word "update".

>

> <g> I never did do the update thing. But now that Win98SE is no

> longer supported, my plan is to dl the last, comprehensive "update"

> and after installing Win98SE, apply it and that's the end of that.

>

>> Should you decide not to follow the sage advice above, and if

>> you really enjoy wading deep in the MS mud, an excellent source

>> of updates for 98SE is at:

>>

>> http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

>

> Thanks! I'm actually not an update fan but a colleague harped on and

> on about it this week I may take the plunge with the "new" box a

> colleague gave to me that I mention above. I prefer to install

> Win98SE and maintain security apps on it rather than updating even

> though everyone always harps on about the no-no aspect of that.

>

> As an aside, nice to know that Linux seems to be run on a better

> foundation. Can't tell you how many Windows users in my circle of

> family and friends who are not computer literate have had their

> computers run into the ground because they didn't know they need

> firewalls, anti-virus apps, anti-spyware apps, anti- ..., ad

> infinitum, ad nauseum!

>

> But getting back to 98SE, it is and always will be my favourite

> Windows flavour. It allowed me extreme control, the registry never

> talked back to me, every single change I _ever_ made to it or the

> system in general was _always_ obeyed ...

>

> For the 15 months, I've fought daily battles for dominance and control

> over my stupid XP box which gives me nothing but trouble. XP experts

> on the ngs never solved the details vs. large icons war! _None_ of

> their expertise did one bit of good! <ha!> I've even had to use a WE

> replacement (such a stupid thing to have to find alternative for!).

>

Start settings Control Panel Switch to Classic view

Explorer: View (details for me) then Tools Folder Options General (use

Windows classic folders): View, change just about all the defaults! and

click the top "Apply to All Folders".

 

right click taskbar, Start Menu, Classic, Customise, tick Show Small

Icons on Start Menu

> Anyway, thanks for the help, guys. Much appreciated. Last thing to

> say is that who wants the latest Ferarri that limps along and gives

> less-than-ideal mileage when the sleek volkswagen outstrips it in

> performance every time (not talking the hardware advances; undoubtably

> good. Just don't need 'em! Performance and reliability much more

> important to me!) :oD

>