Guest Warren Posted February 29, 2008 Posted February 29, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager I thought of that myself, afterwards, but I was too worried about getting my display back at all. Now that I know things worked well I will try as you suggested. "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:eWNghPpeIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Warren wrote: > | Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the entire > | process. > > Very good! That's very important to have a current full system backup! > > | I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most > | suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the > | garbage with it. > | > | Everything is the same as before. > > Too bad. Well, it was only a guess that it was the ATI adapter trying to > hold on to two monitors. But I'm not sure you've done enough... > > (a) After reverting to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA), > how many monitors were there? > > (b) If still two, did you try removing one? > > Using Device Manager maybe in Safe Mode, I would have tried first to > remove the Default Monitor. If that wouldn't go, I'd try to remove the > ViewSonic VP930 Series, or both of them. If neither would go-- that > would definitively prove the ATI adapter isn't the thing holding on to > them. > > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > | news:uyHUgfneIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > |> Warren wrote: > |> | I'm a little concerned about going blind, i.e. no display on my > |> | monitor, with this VGA driver. I won't be able to recover from any > |> | problems if my monitor has no picture at all. Lots of scary > |> | messages about not recommending to install this driver. > |> > |> I suppose you are speaking of the adapter driver, because I know > |> you've fearlessly tried stuff with the monitor driver. > |> > |> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message > |> | news:OOABZdceIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > |> |> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The > |> |> only thing I didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that > |> |> matter ? > |> > |> So... you did try the adapter change to Standard VGA & back-- but you > |> did not reboot in between? If the change actually happened, you would > |> have had to notice it. So, I guess a reboot was required. > |> > |> I don't know what to suggest about that. If you had the capability > |> to do a full system backup, you wouldn't have to worry as much about > |> big changes. My machine came with that capability, & I've now > |> replaced it with another. Maybe start a new thread asking for full > |> system backup options. > |> > |> HOWEVER, could be you get away with the standard registry backup for > |> this operation. That might well restore the machine to your current > |> adapter, if it won't switch back using that Update Driver requestor. > |> But I can't swear it! > |> > |> I'm not a big proponent of a "/Restore", but sometimes it can do > |> amazing things. Maybe, before trying it, copy your current Registry > |> backup files to a new folder... > |> > |> (a) Boot to DOS (hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, & > |> select "Command Prompt Only") > |> > |> (b) DIR C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab /od > |> Shows you the current backups sorted by date. You > |> should have one for each of the last 5 days you booted, > |> plus an RBBAD.cab. > |> > |> © MD C:\RegBckup > |> This makes a new folder named RegBckup on C:. > |> > |> (d) COPY C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab C:\RegBckup > |> This copies your Registry backups to the new folder, because the > |> originals will change as you do the following... > |> > |> (e) SCANREG /Restore > |> > |> It will offer five, one for each of the last five separate days you > |> first booted successfully. (A 2nd boot on the same day won't do it.) > |> Start with the one of the day the problem began, as these backups > |> of the entire Registry (& System.ini & Win.ini) are done at boot, > |> not at shut down. > |> > |> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;183887&Product=w98 > |> Description of the Windows Registry Checker Tool (Scanreg.exe) > |> (183887) - When you start your computer successfully, the Windows > |> Registry Checker tool (Scanreg.exe) creates a backup of system files > |> and registry configuration information (including user account > |> information, protocol bindings, software program settings, and... > |> > |> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > |> |> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > |> > |> OK, I see you answered more questions elsewhere. I'll respond over > |> there. > |> > |> > |> ...snip > |> -- > |> Thanks or Good Luck, > |> There may be humor in this post, and, > |> Naturally, you will not sue, > |> Should things get worse after this, > |> PCR > |> pcrrcp@netzero.net > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest Warren Posted February 29, 2008 Posted February 29, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Your comments are interesting but I don't understand what you want me to do in order to completly remove the monitors. I've been trying and I amm confused as to why I'm at Monitor_16 or whatever. Do you have any specific instructions on how to delete monitors properly ? "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:0de89406-5ce7-4a51-b56b-3d65c765844e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com... On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: > I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only thing I > didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? > > "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message > > news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > > > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > |> See comments below: $$$ > > |> > > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message > > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > |> > Warren wrote: > > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix. > > |> > > > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going to > > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & select > > |> > "Install". > > |> > > > |> > (1) What happened? > > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.) > > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the > > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager? > > |> > > |> $$$ They are still both there > > > Uhuh. > > > |> > (2) Do this again... > > |> > > > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode > > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu) > > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System, > > |> > Device Manager tab" > > |> > © Open the Monitors branch, > > |> > & Remove all entries under it. > > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode. > > |> > > > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered & > > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear? > > |> > > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain > > > That's the procedure that really should be working for this! > > > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button, > > |> > Monitor tab" > > |> > > > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon? > > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.) > > > You didn't answer. You did see that there? > > > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button. > > |> > © Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next". > > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box? > > > Same here. > > > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware". > > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently > > |> > installed. > > > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"? > > > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in > > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series > > |> > selected & highlighted. > > |> > > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the > > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S" > > > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click > > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930, > > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that > > requestor! > > > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it elsewhere > > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first. > > > Warren wrote: > > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on > > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has provision > > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one > > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting on > > | the video adapter ? > > > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the Adapter, > > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad > > fearful to do)... > > > Important: At the point below where you "bolt > > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & right > > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current display > > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it. > > > ......Quote.......... > > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have > > installed. Right-click on the desktop; choose "Properties" from the > > drop-down menu; select "Settings;" click on the "Advanced" button; and > > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to > > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is > > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display > > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system. > > > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next, > > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard > > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane, > > click 'Next'"... PCR] > > > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA > > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because > > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get > > rid of whatever was there before. > > > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches > > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are > > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to > > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct > > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an > > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that > > made your video card. > > > Bill Starbuck (MVP) > > ......End....of quote.... > > > |> > > |> > > > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message > > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > ...snip > > -- > > Thanks or Good Luck, > > There may be humor in this post, and, > > Naturally, you will not sue, > > Should things get worse after this, > > PCR > > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >The only thing I > didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. That and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example. [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor \0015 When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the registry should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016 copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto. And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't like - it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times like this. You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click. Any inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough hardware the first time around. The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks require you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the manual and do it how they say.
Guest PCR Posted March 1, 2008 Posted March 1, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Warren wrote: | See below | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:O69OVCpeIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... ....snip |> This is at the point where "Show compatible hardware" is bolted, & |> above it there is a window labeled "Models". I have only... |> Envision EN5400e [8-20-2004]... in that window. Are you seeing...?... |> |> Default Monitor [4-23-1999] |> ViewSonic VP930 Series [2-16-2008] | | Sorry, I didn't read the correct screen, it shows VP930 Series | [2-16-2008] & VP930 Series [2-14-2008]. The ugly part comes when I | try to install either of these drivers. It wants to load but refuses | to read the VP930.ICM file, no matter where I point to it on the hard | drive or CD-ROM. I see. And your MSInfo32 still shows just one of those & the Default Monitor...?... ViewSonic VP930 Series Monitor Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\VSCE41B\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SUBSYS_280 117EE&REV_01_000800 Alloc resources: None Forced resources: None Boot resources: None Filtered resources: None Basic resources: None Driver: Monitor\0000 Driver Date: 2-16-2008 Driver: VP930_Series.ICM File Size: Driver Not Installed File Date: Driver Not Installed Default Monitor Monitor This device is disabled. Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SU BSYS_280117EE&REV_01_000800_1 Alloc resources: None Forced resources: None Boot resources: None Filtered resources: None Basic resources: None Driver: Monitor\0002 Driver Date: 4-23-1999 I think you can risk the registry key deletes... news:uaU068beIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl You know how to export & restore them, if the deletes go bad. Also, I posted how to do a ScanReg /Restore, not to mention you now have a refreshed full system backup. When you get to this key... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor ...., to see the nodes under it, click the plus left of "Monitor". Then, R-Clk & delete the unwanted ones, keeping just the 0000 node (if it still is one of the ViewSonic VP930 Series entries). OR, fine, try as Lee said-- R-Clk "Monitor" in the left pane, export & then delete it. That gets them all! Maybe, first, just click "Monitor" to highlight it, & use the Edit menu to export it. ....snip -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted March 1, 2008 Posted March 1, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Warren wrote: | I thought of that myself, afterwards, but I was too worried about | getting my display back at all. Now that I know things worked well I | will try as you suggested. Yes. Try this first. If it fails, then do the registry deletes. | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:eWNghPpeIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> Warren wrote: |> | Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the |> | entire process. |> |> Very good! That's very important to have a current full system |> backup! |> |> | I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most |> | suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the |> | garbage with it. |> | |> | Everything is the same as before. |> |> Too bad. Well, it was only a guess that it was the ATI adapter |> trying to hold on to two monitors. But I'm not sure you've done |> enough... |> |> (a) After reverting to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA), |> how many monitors were there? |> |> (b) If still two, did you try removing one? |> |> Using Device Manager maybe in Safe Mode, I would have tried first to |> remove the Default Monitor. If that wouldn't go, I'd try to remove |> the ViewSonic VP930 Series, or both of them. If neither would go-- |> that would definitively prove the ATI adapter isn't the thing |> holding on to them. |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> | news:uyHUgfneIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... |> |> Warren wrote: |> |> | I'm a little concerned about going blind, i.e. no display on my |> |> | monitor, with this VGA driver. I won't be able to recover from |> |> | any problems if my monitor has no picture at all. Lots of scary |> |> | messages about not recommending to install this driver. |> |> |> |> I suppose you are speaking of the adapter driver, because I know |> |> you've fearlessly tried stuff with the monitor driver. |> |> |> |> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message |> |> | news:OOABZdceIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... |> |> |> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The |> |> |> only thing I didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does |> |> |> that matter ? |> |> |> |> So... you did try the adapter change to Standard VGA & back-- but |> |> you did not reboot in between? If the change actually happened, |> |> you would have had to notice it. So, I guess a reboot was |> |> required. |> |> |> |> I don't know what to suggest about that. If you had the capability |> |> to do a full system backup, you wouldn't have to worry as much |> |> about big changes. My machine came with that capability, & I've |> |> now replaced it with another. Maybe start a new thread asking for |> |> full system backup options. |> |> |> |> HOWEVER, could be you get away with the standard registry backup |> |> for this operation. That might well restore the machine to your |> |> current adapter, if it won't switch back using that Update Driver |> |> requestor. But I can't swear it! |> |> |> |> I'm not a big proponent of a "/Restore", but sometimes it can do |> |> amazing things. Maybe, before trying it, copy your current |> |> Registry backup files to a new folder... |> |> |> |> (a) Boot to DOS (hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, & |> |> select "Command Prompt Only") |> |> |> |> (b) DIR C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab /od |> |> Shows you the current backups sorted by date. You |> |> should have one for each of the last 5 days you booted, |> |> plus an RBBAD.cab. |> |> |> |> © MD C:\RegBckup |> |> This makes a new folder named RegBckup on C:. |> |> |> |> (d) COPY C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab C:\RegBckup |> |> This copies your Registry backups to the new folder, because |> |> the originals will change as you do the following... |> |> |> |> (e) SCANREG /Restore |> |> |> |> It will offer five, one for each of the last five separate days |> |> you first booted successfully. (A 2nd boot on the same day won't |> |> do it.) Start with the one of the day the problem began, as these |> |> backups |> |> of the entire Registry (& System.ini & Win.ini) are done at boot, |> |> not at shut down. |> |> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;183887&Product=w98 |> |> Description of the Windows Registry Checker Tool (Scanreg.exe) |> |> (183887) - When you start your computer successfully, the Windows |> |> Registry Checker tool (Scanreg.exe) creates a backup of system |> |> files and registry configuration information (including user |> |> account information, protocol bindings, software program |> |> settings, and... |> |> |> |> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> |> |> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... |> |> |> |> OK, I see you answered more questions elsewhere. I'll respond over |> |> there. |> |> |> |> |> |> ...snip |> |> -- |> |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> |> Should things get worse after this, |> |> PCR |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Warren Posted March 1, 2008 Posted March 1, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager See comments below" "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:eWNghPpeIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Warren wrote: > | Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the entire > | process. > > Very good! That's very important to have a current full system backup! > > | I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most > | suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the > | garbage with it. > | > | Everything is the same as before. > > Too bad. Well, it was only a guess that it was the ATI adapter trying to > hold on to two monitors. But I'm not sure you've done enough... > > (a) After reverting to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA), > how many monitors were there? There were still two displays > (b) If still two, did you try removing one? Yes I did remove the "Default Monitor" in Safe Mode and then rebooted. The "Defaulty Monitor" remained gone. I then changed back to the correct video adapter driver and rebooted. An "Unkown" device was detecting and the "Default Monitor" was instaaled > Using Device Manager maybe in Safe Mode, I would have tried first to > remove the Default Monitor. If that wouldn't go, I'd try to remove the > ViewSonic VP930 Series, or both of them. If neither would go-- that > would definitively prove the ATI adapter isn't the thing holding on to > them. > > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > | news:uyHUgfneIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > |> Warren wrote: > |> | I'm a little concerned about going blind, i.e. no display on my > |> | monitor, with this VGA driver. I won't be able to recover from any > |> | problems if my monitor has no picture at all. Lots of scary > |> | messages about not recommending to install this driver. > |> > |> I suppose you are speaking of the adapter driver, because I know > |> you've fearlessly tried stuff with the monitor driver. > |> > |> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message > |> | news:OOABZdceIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > |> |> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The > |> |> only thing I didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that > |> |> matter ? > |> > |> So... you did try the adapter change to Standard VGA & back-- but you > |> did not reboot in between? If the change actually happened, you would > |> have had to notice it. So, I guess a reboot was required. > |> > |> I don't know what to suggest about that. If you had the capability > |> to do a full system backup, you wouldn't have to worry as much about > |> big changes. My machine came with that capability, & I've now > |> replaced it with another. Maybe start a new thread asking for full > |> system backup options. > |> > |> HOWEVER, could be you get away with the standard registry backup for > |> this operation. That might well restore the machine to your current > |> adapter, if it won't switch back using that Update Driver requestor. > |> But I can't swear it! > |> > |> I'm not a big proponent of a "/Restore", but sometimes it can do > |> amazing things. Maybe, before trying it, copy your current Registry > |> backup files to a new folder... > |> > |> (a) Boot to DOS (hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, & > |> select "Command Prompt Only") > |> > |> (b) DIR C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab /od > |> Shows you the current backups sorted by date. You > |> should have one for each of the last 5 days you booted, > |> plus an RBBAD.cab. > |> > |> © MD C:\RegBckup > |> This makes a new folder named RegBckup on C:. > |> > |> (d) COPY C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab C:\RegBckup > |> This copies your Registry backups to the new folder, because the > |> originals will change as you do the following... > |> > |> (e) SCANREG /Restore > |> > |> It will offer five, one for each of the last five separate days you > |> first booted successfully. (A 2nd boot on the same day won't do it.) > |> Start with the one of the day the problem began, as these backups > |> of the entire Registry (& System.ini & Win.ini) are done at boot, > |> not at shut down. > |> > |> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;183887&Product=w98 > |> Description of the Windows Registry Checker Tool (Scanreg.exe) > |> (183887) - When you start your computer successfully, the Windows > |> Registry Checker tool (Scanreg.exe) creates a backup of system files > |> and registry configuration information (including user account > |> information, protocol bindings, software program settings, and... > |> > |> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > |> |> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > |> > |> OK, I see you answered more questions elsewhere. I'll respond over > |> there. > |> > |> > |> ...snip > |> -- > |> Thanks or Good Luck, > |> There may be humor in this post, and, > |> Naturally, you will not sue, > |> Should things get worse after this, > |> PCR > |> pcrrcp@netzero.net > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted March 2, 2008 Posted March 2, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Warren, Does your monitor look right? Does it behave properly. Anything wrong that you can describe (or even anything wrong that you can't put your finger on? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:efjA9zseIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Your comments are interesting but I don't understand what you want me to > do > in order to completly remove the monitors. I've been trying and I amm > confused as to why I'm at Monitor_16 or whatever. Do you have any > specific > instructions on how to delete monitors properly ? > > "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message > news:0de89406-5ce7-4a51-b56b-3d65c765844e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: >> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only thing > I >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? >> >> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message >> >> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >> > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> > |> See comments below: $$$ >> > |> >> > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message >> > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> > |> > Warren wrote: >> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix. >> > |> > >> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going to >> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & select >> > |> > "Install". >> > |> > >> > |> > (1) What happened? >> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.) >> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the >> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager? >> > |> >> > |> $$$ They are still both there >> >> > Uhuh. >> >> > |> > (2) Do this again... >> > |> > >> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode >> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu) >> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System, >> > |> > Device Manager tab" >> > |> > © Open the Monitors branch, >> > |> > & Remove all entries under it. >> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode. >> > |> > >> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered & >> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear? >> > |> >> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain >> >> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this! >> >> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button, >> > |> > Monitor tab" >> > |> > >> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon? >> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.) >> >> > You didn't answer. You did see that there? >> >> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button. >> > |> > © Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next". >> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box? >> >> > Same here. >> >> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware". >> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently >> > |> > installed. >> >> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"? >> >> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in >> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series >> > |> > selected & highlighted. >> > |> >> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the >> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S" >> >> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click >> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930, >> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that >> > requestor! >> >> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it elsewhere >> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first. >> >> > Warren wrote: >> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on >> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has provision >> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one >> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting on >> > | the video adapter ? >> >> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the Adapter, >> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad >> > fearful to do)... >> >> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt >> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & right >> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current display >> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it. >> >> > ......Quote.......... >> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have >> > installed. Right-click on the desktop; choose "Properties" from the >> > drop-down menu; select "Settings;" click on the "Advanced" button; and >> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to >> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is >> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display >> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system. >> >> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next, >> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard >> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane, >> > click 'Next'"... PCR] >> >> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA >> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because >> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get >> > rid of whatever was there before. >> >> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches >> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are >> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to >> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct >> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an >> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that >> > made your video card. >> >> > Bill Starbuck (MVP) >> > ......End....of quote.... >> >> > |> >> > |> > >> > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message >> > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> > ...snip >> > -- >> > Thanks or Good Luck, >> > There may be humor in this post, and, >> > Naturally, you will not sue, >> > Should things get worse after this, >> > PCR >> > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >>The only thing I >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? > Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. That > and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example. > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor > \0015 > > When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the registry > should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016 > copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you > then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or > otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf > files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto. > And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't > just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't like > - it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many > because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all > those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over > again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times > like this. > > You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click. Any > inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get > there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one > option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from > the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper > files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough > hardware the first time around. > > The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks require > you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the > manual and do it how they say. > >
Guest Warren Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Yes, everything looks good except the Device Manager and it's ugly behaviour with the ICM and the extra Default Monitor attached to the video adapter. I think I've exhausted any doubt that it can not get any better with Windows 98SE. I guess that's to be expected with unsigned drivers, which is all that is available for Windows 98SE.. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:uEPAKFMfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Warren, > > Does your monitor look right? Does it behave properly. Anything wrong that > you can describe (or even anything wrong that you can't put your finger on? > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:efjA9zseIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > Your comments are interesting but I don't understand what you want me to > > do > > in order to completly remove the monitors. I've been trying and I amm > > confused as to why I'm at Monitor_16 or whatever. Do you have any > > specific > > instructions on how to delete monitors properly ? > > > > "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message > > news:0de89406-5ce7-4a51-b56b-3d65c765844e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > > On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: > >> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only thing > > I > >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? > >> > >> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message > >> > >> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> > >> > >> > >> > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> > |> See comments below: $$$ > >> > |> > >> > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message > >> > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> > |> > Warren wrote: > >> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix. > >> > |> > > >> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going to > >> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & select > >> > |> > "Install". > >> > |> > > >> > |> > (1) What happened? > >> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.) > >> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the > >> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager? > >> > |> > >> > |> $$$ They are still both there > >> > >> > Uhuh. > >> > >> > |> > (2) Do this again... > >> > |> > > >> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode > >> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu) > >> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System, > >> > |> > Device Manager tab" > >> > |> > © Open the Monitors branch, > >> > |> > & Remove all entries under it. > >> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode. > >> > |> > > >> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered & > >> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear? > >> > |> > >> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain > >> > >> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this! > >> > >> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button, > >> > |> > Monitor tab" > >> > |> > > >> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon? > >> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.) > >> > >> > You didn't answer. You did see that there? > >> > >> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button. > >> > |> > © Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next". > >> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box? > >> > >> > Same here. > >> > >> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware". > >> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently > >> > |> > installed. > >> > >> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"? > >> > >> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in > >> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series > >> > |> > selected & highlighted. > >> > |> > >> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the > >> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S" > >> > >> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click > >> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930, > >> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that > >> > requestor! > >> > >> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it elsewhere > >> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first. > >> > >> > Warren wrote: > >> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on > >> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has provision > >> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one > >> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting on > >> > | the video adapter ? > >> > >> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the Adapter, > >> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad > >> > fearful to do)... > >> > >> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt > >> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & right > >> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current display > >> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it. > >> > >> > ......Quote.......... > >> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have > >> > installed. Right-click on the desktop; choose "Properties" from the > >> > drop-down menu; select "Settings;" click on the "Advanced" button; and > >> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to > >> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is > >> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display > >> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system. > >> > >> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next, > >> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard > >> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane, > >> > click 'Next'"... PCR] > >> > >> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA > >> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because > >> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get > >> > rid of whatever was there before. > >> > >> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches > >> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are > >> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to > >> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct > >> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an > >> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that > >> > made your video card. > >> > >> > Bill Starbuck (MVP) > >> > ......End....of quote.... > >> > >> > |> > >> > |> > > >> > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message > >> > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> > >> > ...snip > >> > -- > >> > Thanks or Good Luck, > >> > There may be humor in this post, and, > >> > Naturally, you will not sue, > >> > Should things get worse after this, > >> > PCR > >> > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> - Show quoted text - > > > >>The only thing I > >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? > > Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. That > > and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example. > > > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor > > \0015 > > > > When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the registry > > should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016 > > copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you > > then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or > > otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf > > files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto. > > And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't > > just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't like > > - it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many > > because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all > > those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over > > again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times > > like this. > > > > You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click. Any > > inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get > > there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one > > option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from > > the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper > > files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough > > hardware the first time around. > > > > The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks require > > you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the > > manual and do it how they say. > > > > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Unsigned, signed, no diff, really. Let's see if we can go over this one more time: You have a video adapter with dual monitor capability, but only one monitor. Is that correct? Is it a new adapter? Or is the monitor (NOT "display") that's new and you are having a difficult time getting it right? Have you removed ALL monitors and ALL video adapters? and then reinstalled?, adapter first? If this is a dual monitor adapter, have you looked in the instructions to see if there's a way to turn it back into a single-monitor adapter? Did you try the first three replies to your post? It is NOT unusual to see Default Monitor installed alongside the more up to date drivers --- I sometimes wonder if it isn't NEEDED for certain types of installations. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:OzQq8yMfIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Yes, everything looks good except the Device Manager and it's ugly > behaviour > with the ICM and the extra Default Monitor attached to the video adapter. > I > think I've exhausted any doubt that it can not get any better with Windows > 98SE. I guess that's to be expected with unsigned drivers, which is all > that is available for Windows 98SE.. > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:uEPAKFMfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Warren, >> >> Does your monitor look right? Does it behave properly. Anything wrong >> that >> you can describe (or even anything wrong that you can't put your finger > on? >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://www.grystmill.com >> >> "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:efjA9zseIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> > Your comments are interesting but I don't understand what you want me >> > to >> > do >> > in order to completly remove the monitors. I've been trying and I amm >> > confused as to why I'm at Monitor_16 or whatever. Do you have any >> > specific >> > instructions on how to delete monitors properly ? >> > >> > "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message >> > > news:0de89406-5ce7-4a51-b56b-3d65c765844e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com... >> > On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: >> >> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only > thing >> > I >> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? >> >> >> >> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> > |> See comments below: $$$ >> >> > |> >> >> > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message >> >> > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> > |> > Warren wrote: >> >> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix. >> >> > |> > >> >> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going > to >> >> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & > select >> >> > |> > "Install". >> >> > |> > >> >> > |> > (1) What happened? >> >> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.) >> >> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the >> >> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager? >> >> > |> >> >> > |> $$$ They are still both there >> >> >> >> > Uhuh. >> >> >> >> > |> > (2) Do this again... >> >> > |> > >> >> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode >> >> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu) >> >> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System, >> >> > |> > Device Manager tab" >> >> > |> > © Open the Monitors branch, >> >> > |> > & Remove all entries under it. >> >> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode. >> >> > |> > >> >> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered & >> >> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear? >> >> > |> >> >> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain >> >> >> >> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this! >> >> >> >> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button, >> >> > |> > Monitor tab" >> >> > |> > >> >> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon? >> >> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.) >> >> >> >> > You didn't answer. You did see that there? >> >> >> >> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button. >> >> > |> > © Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next". >> >> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box? >> >> >> >> > Same here. >> >> >> >> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware". >> >> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently >> >> > |> > installed. >> >> >> >> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information >> >> > database"? >> >> >> >> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & >> >> > in >> >> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series >> >> > |> > selected & highlighted. >> >> > |> >> >> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the >> >> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S" >> >> >> >> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click >> >> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930, >> >> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that >> >> > requestor! >> >> >> >> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it > elsewhere >> >> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first. >> >> >> >> > Warren wrote: >> >> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting >> >> > on >> >> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has > provision >> >> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one >> >> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting > on >> >> > | the video adapter ? >> >> >> >> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the > Adapter, >> >> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad >> >> > fearful to do)... >> >> >> >> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt >> >> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & > right >> >> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current > display >> >> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it. >> >> >> >> > ......Quote.......... >> >> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have >> >> > installed. Right-click on the desktop; choose "Properties" from the >> >> > drop-down menu; select "Settings;" click on the "Advanced" button; > and >> >> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how >> >> > to >> >> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is >> >> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display >> >> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system. >> >> >> >> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', >> >> > Next, >> >> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard >> >> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right > pane, >> >> > click 'Next'"... PCR] >> >> >> >> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic > VGA >> >> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA > because >> >> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to > get >> >> > rid of whatever was there before. >> >> >> >> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that > matches >> >> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are >> >> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to >> >> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the >> >> > correct >> >> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an >> >> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company >> >> > that >> >> > made your video card. >> >> >> >> > Bill Starbuck (MVP) >> >> > ......End....of quote.... >> >> >> >> > |> >> >> > |> > >> >> > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message >> >> > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >> > ...snip >> >> > -- >> >> > Thanks or Good Luck, >> >> > There may be humor in this post, and, >> >> > Naturally, you will not sue, >> >> > Should things get worse after this, >> >> > PCR >> >> > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> > >> >>The only thing I >> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? >> > Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. That >> > and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example. >> > >> > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor >> > \0015 >> > >> > When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the registry >> > should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016 >> > copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you >> > then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or >> > otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf >> > files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto. >> > And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't >> > just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't like >> > - it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many >> > because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all >> > those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over >> > again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times >> > like this. >> > >> > You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click. Any >> > inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get >> > there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one >> > option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from >> > the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper >> > files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough >> > hardware the first time around. >> > >> > The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks require >> > you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the >> > manual and do it how they say. >> > >> > >> > >
Guest PCR Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Warren wrote: | See comments below" | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:eWNghPpeIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> Warren wrote: |> | Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the |> | entire process. |> |> Very good! That's very important to have a current full system |> backup! |> |> | I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most |> | suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the |> | garbage with it. |> | |> | Everything is the same as before. |> |> Too bad. Well, it was only a guess that it was the ATI adapter |> trying to hold on to two monitors. But I'm not sure you've done |> enough... |> |> (a) After reverting to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA), |> how many monitors were there? | | There were still two displays | |> (b) If still two, did you try removing one? | | Yes I did remove the "Default Monitor" in Safe Mode and then | rebooted. The "Defaulty Monitor" remained gone. | | I then changed back to the correct video adapter driver and rebooted. | An "Unkown" device was detecting and the "Default Monitor" was | instaaled That's interesting that the Default Monitor was able to be removed when you reverted to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA). Then, it came back when you reinstated the ATI Adapter. I see Terhune has become involved, & it may be wise to let him have a shot. Tell him the exact name of your Adapter. Maybe post your MSInfo32 information again-- this time including the Adapter information... "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Components, Display" Use the Edit menu to select all, copy, & then post it. Here is mine... Trident Blade3D/MVP4 (63) Display Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\PCI\VEN_1023&DEV_8400&SUBSYS_B1AB0E11&REV_5C\000 800 Alloc resources: Logical Configuration 0 IRQ: 3 Mask: xFFFF ....snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges.... Forced resources: None Boot resources: None Filtered resources: Logical Configuration 0 IRQ: 3 Mask: xFFFF ....snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges.... Basic resources: Logical Configuration 0 IRQ: 0 Mask: xFFFF ....snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges.... HW Revision: 092 ....snip of numerous drivers... Envision EN5400e Monitor Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\EPIE564\PCI_VEN_1023&DEV_8400&SUBSYS_B1A B0E11&REV_5C_000800 Alloc resources: None Forced resources: None Boot resources: None Filtered resources: None Basic resources: None Driver: Monitor\0000 Driver Date: 8-20-2004 Driver: EN5400e.icm File Size: Driver Not Installed File Date: Driver Not Installed Maybe try those registry deletes I've posted, including that real big one... news:OCSbgi0eIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl |> Using Device Manager maybe in Safe Mode, I would have tried first to |> remove the Default Monitor. If that wouldn't go, I'd try to remove |> the ViewSonic VP930 Series, or both of them. If neither would go-- |> that would definitively prove the ATI adapter isn't the thing |> holding on to them. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Warren Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager See comments below: "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OqRi97MfIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Unsigned, signed, no diff, really. > > Let's see if we can go over this one more time: > You have a video adapter with dual monitor capability, but only one monitor. > Is that correct? Is it a new adapter? I've had the video adapter (ATI 9200 Radeon) quite some time, the Viewsonic VP930b monitor was new to the system. I have updated the drivers for the video adapter on several occassions. > Or is the monitor (NOT "display") that's new and you are having a difficult > time getting it right? The supplied Win98 drivers on the CD-ROM would not install. I downloaded the Unsigned driver pack from Viewsonic site, and the Monitor picked up drivers on it's own. An unknown device was detected on the video adapter and a Default Monitor was also installed. > Have you removed ALL monitors and ALL video adapters? and then reinstalled?, > adapter first? Yes I've removed all monitors & adapters in device manager and then rebooted, but everything stays the same. > If this is a dual monitor adapter, have you looked in the instructions to > see if there's a way to turn it back into a single-monitor adapter? I have set the video adapter to dingle display mode. > Did you try the first three replies to your post? Yes, if you are asking if I disabled the Default Monitor > It is NOT unusual to see Default Monitor installed alongside the more up to > date drivers --- I sometimes wonder if it isn't NEEDED for certain types of > installations. > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:OzQq8yMfIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > Yes, everything looks good except the Device Manager and it's ugly > > behaviour > > with the ICM and the extra Default Monitor attached to the video adapter. > > I > > think I've exhausted any doubt that it can not get any better with Windows > > 98SE. I guess that's to be expected with unsigned drivers, which is all > > that is available for Windows 98SE.. > > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > > news:uEPAKFMfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> Warren, > >> > >> Does your monitor look right? Does it behave properly. Anything wrong > >> that > >> you can describe (or even anything wrong that you can't put your finger > > on? > >> > >> -- > >> Gary S. Terhune > >> MS-MVP Shell/User > >> http://www.grystmill.com > >> > >> "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:efjA9zseIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> > Your comments are interesting but I don't understand what you want me > >> > to > >> > do > >> > in order to completly remove the monitors. I've been trying and I amm > >> > confused as to why I'm at Monitor_16 or whatever. Do you have any > >> > specific > >> > instructions on how to delete monitors properly ? > >> > > >> > "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message > >> > > > news:0de89406-5ce7-4a51-b56b-3d65c765844e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > >> > On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: > >> >> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only > > thing > >> > I > >> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? > >> >> > >> >> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message > >> >> > >> >> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> >> > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> >> > |> See comments below: $$$ > >> >> > |> > >> >> > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message > >> >> > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> >> > |> > Warren wrote: > >> >> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix. > >> >> > |> > > >> >> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going > > to > >> >> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & > > select > >> >> > |> > "Install". > >> >> > |> > > >> >> > |> > (1) What happened? > >> >> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.) > >> >> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the > >> >> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager? > >> >> > |> > >> >> > |> $$$ They are still both there > >> >> > >> >> > Uhuh. > >> >> > >> >> > |> > (2) Do this again... > >> >> > |> > > >> >> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode > >> >> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu) > >> >> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System, > >> >> > |> > Device Manager tab" > >> >> > |> > © Open the Monitors branch, > >> >> > |> > & Remove all entries under it. > >> >> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode. > >> >> > |> > > >> >> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered & > >> >> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear? > >> >> > |> > >> >> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain > >> >> > >> >> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this! > >> >> > >> >> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button, > >> >> > |> > Monitor tab" > >> >> > |> > > >> >> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon? > >> >> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.) > >> >> > >> >> > You didn't answer. You did see that there? > >> >> > >> >> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button. > >> >> > |> > © Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next". > >> >> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box? > >> >> > >> >> > Same here. > >> >> > >> >> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware". > >> >> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently > >> >> > |> > installed. > >> >> > >> >> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information > >> >> > database"? > >> >> > >> >> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & > >> >> > in > >> >> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series > >> >> > |> > selected & highlighted. > >> >> > |> > >> >> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the > >> >> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S" > >> >> > >> >> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click > >> >> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930, > >> >> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that > >> >> > requestor! > >> >> > >> >> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it > > elsewhere > >> >> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first. > >> >> > >> >> > Warren wrote: > >> >> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting > >> >> > on > >> >> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has > > provision > >> >> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one > >> >> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting > > on > >> >> > | the video adapter ? > >> >> > >> >> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the > > Adapter, > >> >> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad > >> >> > fearful to do)... > >> >> > >> >> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt > >> >> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & > > right > >> >> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current > > display > >> >> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it. > >> >> > >> >> > ......Quote.......... > >> >> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have > >> >> > installed. Right-click on the desktop; choose "Properties" from the > >> >> > drop-down menu; select "Settings;" click on the "Advanced" button; > > and > >> >> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how > >> >> > to > >> >> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is > >> >> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display > >> >> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system. > >> >> > >> >> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', > >> >> > Next, > >> >> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard > >> >> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right > > pane, > >> >> > click 'Next'"... PCR] > >> >> > >> >> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic > > VGA > >> >> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA > > because > >> >> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to > > get > >> >> > rid of whatever was there before. > >> >> > >> >> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that > > matches > >> >> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are > >> >> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to > >> >> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the > >> >> > correct > >> >> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an > >> >> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company > >> >> > that > >> >> > made your video card. > >> >> > >> >> > Bill Starbuck (MVP) > >> >> > ......End....of quote.... > >> >> > >> >> > |> > >> >> > |> > > >> >> > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message > >> >> > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> >> > >> >> > ...snip > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Thanks or Good Luck, > >> >> > There may be humor in this post, and, > >> >> > Naturally, you will not sue, > >> >> > Should things get worse after this, > >> >> > PCR > >> >> > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text - > >> >> > >> >> - Show quoted text - > >> > > >> >>The only thing I > >> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? > >> > Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. That > >> > and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example. > >> > > >> > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor > >> > \0015 > >> > > >> > When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the registry > >> > should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016 > >> > copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you > >> > then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or > >> > otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf > >> > files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto. > >> > And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't > >> > just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't like > >> > - it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many > >> > because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all > >> > those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over > >> > again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times > >> > like this. > >> > > >> > You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click. Any > >> > inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get > >> > there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one > >> > option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from > >> > the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper > >> > files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough > >> > hardware the first time around. > >> > > >> > The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks require > >> > you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the > >> > manual and do it how they say. > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Well, if it seems to run OK, it's time to leave it alone. Yes, Device Manager isn't neat and tidy like you'd want, but a less than perfect DM is actually pretty common. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:OHQz12NfIHA.4608@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > See comments below: > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:OqRi97MfIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Unsigned, signed, no diff, really. >> >> Let's see if we can go over this one more time: >> You have a video adapter with dual monitor capability, but only one > monitor. >> Is that correct? Is it a new adapter? > > I've had the video adapter (ATI 9200 Radeon) quite some time, the > Viewsonic > VP930b monitor was new to the system. I have updated the drivers for the > video adapter on several occassions. > >> Or is the monitor (NOT "display") that's new and you are having a > difficult >> time getting it right? > > The supplied Win98 drivers on the CD-ROM would not install. I downloaded > the Unsigned driver pack from Viewsonic site, and the Monitor picked up > drivers on it's own. An unknown device was detected on the video adapter > and a Default Monitor was also installed. > >> Have you removed ALL monitors and ALL video adapters? and then > reinstalled?, >> adapter first? > > Yes I've removed all monitors & adapters in device manager and then > rebooted, but everything stays the same. > >> If this is a dual monitor adapter, have you looked in the instructions to >> see if there's a way to turn it back into a single-monitor adapter? > > I have set the video adapter to dingle display mode. > >> Did you try the first three replies to your post? > > Yes, if you are asking if I disabled the Default Monitor > >> It is NOT unusual to see Default Monitor installed alongside the more up > to >> date drivers --- I sometimes wonder if it isn't NEEDED for certain types > of >> installations. >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://www.grystmill.com >> >> "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:OzQq8yMfIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> > Yes, everything looks good except the Device Manager and it's ugly >> > behaviour >> > with the ICM and the extra Default Monitor attached to the video > adapter. >> > I >> > think I've exhausted any doubt that it can not get any better with > Windows >> > 98SE. I guess that's to be expected with unsigned drivers, which is >> > all >> > that is available for Windows 98SE.. >> > >> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> > news:uEPAKFMfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> Warren, >> >> >> >> Does your monitor look right? Does it behave properly. Anything wrong >> >> that >> >> you can describe (or even anything wrong that you can't put your >> >> finger >> > on? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Gary S. Terhune >> >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> >> http://www.grystmill.com >> >> >> >> "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:efjA9zseIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> > Your comments are interesting but I don't understand what you want >> >> > me >> >> > to >> >> > do >> >> > in order to completly remove the monitors. I've been trying and I > amm >> >> > confused as to why I'm at Monitor_16 or whatever. Do you have any >> >> > specific >> >> > instructions on how to delete monitors properly ? >> >> > >> >> > "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message >> >> > >> > > news:0de89406-5ce7-4a51-b56b-3d65c765844e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: >> >> >> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only >> > thing >> >> > I >> >> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? >> >> >> >> >> >> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> >> >> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> >> > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> >> > |> See comments below: $$$ >> >> >> > |> >> >> >> > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> >> > |> > Warren wrote: >> >> >> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix. >> >> >> > |> > >> >> >> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame > going >> > to >> >> >> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & >> > select >> >> >> > |> > "Install". >> >> >> > |> > >> >> >> > |> > (1) What happened? >> >> >> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.) >> >> >> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the >> >> >> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager? >> >> >> > |> >> >> >> > |> $$$ They are still both there >> >> >> >> >> >> > Uhuh. >> >> >> >> >> >> > |> > (2) Do this again... >> >> >> > |> > >> >> >> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode >> >> >> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu) >> >> >> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System, >> >> >> > |> > Device Manager tab" >> >> >> > |> > © Open the Monitors branch, >> >> >> > |> > & Remove all entries under it. >> >> >> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode. >> >> >> > |> > >> >> >> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered & >> >> >> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear? >> >> >> > |> >> >> >> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain >> >> >> >> >> >> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this! >> >> >> >> >> >> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button, >> >> >> > |> > Monitor tab" >> >> >> > |> > >> >> >> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon? >> >> >> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.) >> >> >> >> >> >> > You didn't answer. You did see that there? >> >> >> >> >> >> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button. >> >> >> > |> > © Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next". >> >> >> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box? >> >> >> >> >> >> > Same here. >> >> >> >> >> >> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware". >> >> >> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently >> >> >> > |> > installed. >> >> >> >> >> >> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information >> >> >> > database"? >> >> >> >> >> >> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, >> >> >> > & >> >> >> > in >> >> >> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 > Series >> >> >> > |> > selected & highlighted. >> >> >> > |> >> >> >> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the >> >> >> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S" >> >> >> >> >> >> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I >> >> >> > click >> >> >> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the >> >> >> > VP930, >> >> >> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that >> >> >> > requestor! >> >> >> >> >> >> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it >> > elsewhere >> >> >> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Warren wrote: >> >> >> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be >> >> >> > insisting >> >> >> > on >> >> >> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has >> > provision >> >> >> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one >> >> >> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this > setting >> > on >> >> >> > | the video adapter ? >> >> >> >> >> >> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the >> > Adapter, >> >> >> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a > tad >> >> >> > fearful to do)... >> >> >> >> >> >> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt >> >> >> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & >> > right >> >> >> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current >> > display >> >> >> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it. >> >> >> >> >> >> > ......Quote.......... >> >> >> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have >> >> >> > installed. Right-click on the desktop; choose "Properties" from > the >> >> >> > drop-down menu; select "Settings;" click on the "Advanced" >> >> >> > button; >> > and >> >> >> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows >> >> >> > how >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is >> >> >> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard >> >> >> > Display >> >> >> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system. >> >> >> >> >> >> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', >> >> >> > Next, >> >> >> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select > '(Standard >> >> >> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right >> > pane, >> >> >> > click 'Next'"... PCR] >> >> >> >> >> >> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a >> >> >> > generic >> > VGA >> >> >> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA >> > because >> >> >> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is >> >> >> > to >> > get >> >> >> > rid of whatever was there before. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that >> > matches >> >> >> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are >> >> >> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer > to >> >> >> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the >> >> >> > correct >> >> >> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have > an >> >> >> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > made your video card. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bill Starbuck (MVP) >> >> >> > ......End....of quote.... >> >> >> >> >> >> > |> >> >> >> > |> > >> >> >> > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >> >> >> > ...snip >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Thanks or Good Luck, >> >> >> > There may be humor in this post, and, >> >> >> > Naturally, you will not sue, >> >> >> > Should things get worse after this, >> >> >> > PCR >> >> >> > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > >> >> >>The only thing I >> >> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ? >> >> > Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. >> >> > That >> >> > and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example. >> >> > >> >> > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor >> >> > \0015 >> >> > >> >> > When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the >> >> > registry >> >> > should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016 >> >> > copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you >> >> > then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or >> >> > otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf >> >> > files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto. >> >> > And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't >> >> > just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't >> >> > like >> >> > - it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many >> >> > because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all >> >> > those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over >> >> > again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times >> >> > like this. >> >> > >> >> > You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click. > Any >> >> > inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get >> >> > there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one >> >> > option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from >> >> > the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper >> >> > files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough >> >> > hardware the first time around. >> >> > >> >> > The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks >> >> > require >> >> > you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the >> >> > manual and do it how they say. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
Guest Warren Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager RADEON 9200 SERIES Display Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SUBSYS_280117EE&REV_01\000800 Alloc resources: Logical Configuration 0 IRQ: 11 Mask: xFFFF Forced resources: None Boot resources: None Filtered resources: Logical Configuration 0 IRQ: 11 Mask: xFFFF Basic resources: Logical Configuration 0 IRQ: 0 Mask: xFFFF HW Revision: 001 Driver: Display\0000 Driver Date: 2- 3-2006 ViewSonic VP930 Series Monitor Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\VSCE41B\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SUBSYS_280117E E&REV_01_000800 Alloc resources: None Forced resources: None Boot resources: None Filtered resources: None Basic resources: None Driver: Monitor\0018 Driver Date: 2-16-2008 Driver: VP930_Series.ICM File Size: Driver Not Installed File Date: Driver Not Installed Default Monitor Monitor This device is disabled. Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SUBSYS _280117EE&REV_01_000800_1 Alloc resources: None Forced resources: None Boot resources: None Filtered resources: None Basic resources: None Driver: Monitor\0019 Driver Date: 4-23-1999 "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:uKLuzuNfIHA.5996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Warren wrote: > | See comments below" > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > | news:eWNghPpeIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > |> Warren wrote: > |> | Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the > |> | entire process. > |> > |> Very good! That's very important to have a current full system > |> backup! > |> > |> | I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most > |> | suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the > |> | garbage with it. > |> | > |> | Everything is the same as before. > |> > |> Too bad. Well, it was only a guess that it was the ATI adapter > |> trying to hold on to two monitors. But I'm not sure you've done > |> enough... > |> > |> (a) After reverting to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA), > |> how many monitors were there? > | > | There were still two displays > | > |> (b) If still two, did you try removing one? > | > | Yes I did remove the "Default Monitor" in Safe Mode and then > | rebooted. The "Defaulty Monitor" remained gone. > | > | I then changed back to the correct video adapter driver and rebooted. > | An "Unkown" device was detecting and the "Default Monitor" was > | instaaled > > That's interesting that the Default Monitor was able to be removed when > you reverted to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA). Then, it came back > when you reinstated the ATI Adapter. I see Terhune has become involved, > & it may be wise to let him have a shot. Tell him the exact name of your > Adapter. Maybe post your MSInfo32 information again-- this time > including the Adapter information... > > "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Components, Display" > Use the Edit menu to select all, copy, & then post it. Here is mine... > > Trident Blade3D/MVP4 (63) > Display > Registry Key: > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\PCI\VEN_1023&DEV_8400&SUBSYS_B1AB0E11&REV_5C\000 > 800 > Alloc resources: Logical Configuration 0 > IRQ: 3 Mask: xFFFF > ...snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges.... > Forced resources: None > Boot resources: None > Filtered resources: Logical Configuration 0 > IRQ: 3 Mask: xFFFF > ...snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges.... > Basic resources: Logical Configuration 0 > IRQ: 0 Mask: xFFFF > ...snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges.... > HW Revision: 092 > ...snip of numerous drivers... > > Envision EN5400e > Monitor > Registry Key: > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\EPIE564\PCI_VEN_1023&DEV_8400&SUBSYS_B1A > B0E11&REV_5C_000800 > Alloc resources: None > Forced resources: None > Boot resources: None > Filtered resources: None > Basic resources: None > Driver: Monitor\0000 > Driver Date: 8-20-2004 > Driver: EN5400e.icm > File Size: Driver Not Installed > File Date: Driver Not Installed > > Maybe try those registry deletes I've posted, including that real big > one... > news:OCSbgi0eIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl > > |> Using Device Manager maybe in Safe Mode, I would have tried first to > |> remove the Default Monitor. If that wouldn't go, I'd try to remove > |> the ViewSonic VP930 Series, or both of them. If neither would go-- > |> that would definitively prove the ATI adapter isn't the thing > |> holding on to them. > > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest Buffalo Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager PCR wrote: > > Maybe try those registry deletes I've posted, including that real big > one... I honestly believe that Warren did not follow all your advice on how to remove all traces of his Display Adapter and his Monitor. I think he was leary of the advice given and that is what is causing the problem. If the only problem he is having is that a 'default monitor' is listed in DM, so what? If that default monitor is actually causing problems, then let's get with it. Buffalo
Guest Warren Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager I notice that my monitor enumeration has climbed from 0002 at the beginning of this exercise to 0018 & 0019. What does this mean ? Is there a way of resetting the enumeration of monitors or does Device Manager keep counting each time you delete a monitor ? I really hope Device Manager doesn't think I have 19 monitors ? "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:OtqhZxZfIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > RADEON 9200 SERIES > Display > Registry Key: > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SUBSYS_280117EE&REV_01\000800 > Alloc resources: Logical Configuration 0 > IRQ: 11 Mask: xFFFF > > Forced resources: None > Boot resources: None > Filtered resources: Logical Configuration 0 > IRQ: 11 Mask: xFFFF > > Basic resources: Logical Configuration 0 > IRQ: 0 Mask: xFFFF > > HW Revision: 001 > Driver: Display\0000 > Driver Date: 2- 3-2006 > > ViewSonic VP930 Series > Monitor > Registry Key: > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\VSCE41B\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SUBSYS_280117E > E&REV_01_000800 > Alloc resources: None > Forced resources: None > Boot resources: None > Filtered resources: None > Basic resources: None > Driver: Monitor\0018 > Driver Date: 2-16-2008 > Driver: VP930_Series.ICM > File Size: Driver Not > Installed > File Date: Driver Not > Installed > > Default Monitor > Monitor > This device is disabled. > Registry Key: > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SUBSYS > _280117EE&REV_01_000800_1 > Alloc resources: None > Forced resources: None > Boot resources: None > Filtered resources: None > Basic resources: None > Driver: Monitor\0019 > Driver Date: 4-23-1999 > > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > news:uKLuzuNfIHA.5996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > Warren wrote: > > | See comments below" > > | > > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > > | news:eWNghPpeIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > |> Warren wrote: > > |> | Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the > > |> | entire process. > > |> > > |> Very good! That's very important to have a current full system > > |> backup! > > |> > > |> | I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most > > |> | suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the > > |> | garbage with it. > > |> | > > |> | Everything is the same as before. > > |> > > |> Too bad. Well, it was only a guess that it was the ATI adapter > > |> trying to hold on to two monitors. But I'm not sure you've done > > |> enough... > > |> > > |> (a) After reverting to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA), > > |> how many monitors were there? > > | > > | There were still two displays > > | > > |> (b) If still two, did you try removing one? > > | > > | Yes I did remove the "Default Monitor" in Safe Mode and then > > | rebooted. The "Defaulty Monitor" remained gone. > > | > > | I then changed back to the correct video adapter driver and rebooted. > > | An "Unkown" device was detecting and the "Default Monitor" was > > | instaaled > > > > That's interesting that the Default Monitor was able to be removed when > > you reverted to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA). Then, it came back > > when you reinstated the ATI Adapter. I see Terhune has become involved, > > & it may be wise to let him have a shot. Tell him the exact name of your > > Adapter. Maybe post your MSInfo32 information again-- this time > > including the Adapter information... > > > > "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Components, Display" > > Use the Edit menu to select all, copy, & then post it. Here is mine... > > > > Trident Blade3D/MVP4 (63) > > Display > > Registry Key: > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\PCI\VEN_1023&DEV_8400&SUBSYS_B1AB0E11&REV_5C\000 > > 800 > > Alloc resources: Logical Configuration 0 > > IRQ: 3 Mask: xFFFF > > ...snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges.... > > Forced resources: None > > Boot resources: None > > Filtered resources: Logical Configuration 0 > > IRQ: 3 Mask: xFFFF > > ...snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges.... > > Basic resources: Logical Configuration 0 > > IRQ: 0 Mask: xFFFF > > ...snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges.... > > HW Revision: 092 > > ...snip of numerous drivers... > > > > Envision EN5400e > > Monitor > > Registry Key: > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\EPIE564\PCI_VEN_1023&DEV_8400&SUBSYS_B1A > > B0E11&REV_5C_000800 > > Alloc resources: None > > Forced resources: None > > Boot resources: None > > Filtered resources: None > > Basic resources: None > > Driver: Monitor\0000 > > Driver Date: 8-20-2004 > > Driver: EN5400e.icm > > File Size: Driver Not Installed > > File Date: Driver Not Installed > > > > Maybe try those registry deletes I've posted, including that real big > > one... > > news:OCSbgi0eIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl > > > > |> Using Device Manager maybe in Safe Mode, I would have tried first to > > |> remove the Default Monitor. If that wouldn't go, I'd try to remove > > |> the ViewSonic VP930 Series, or both of them. If neither would go-- > > |> that would definitively prove the ATI adapter isn't the thing > > |> holding on to them. > > > > > > -- > > Thanks or Good Luck, > > There may be humor in this post, and, > > Naturally, you will not sue, > > Should things get worse after this, > > PCR > > pcrrcp@netzero.net > > > > > >
Guest PCR Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Buffalo wrote: | PCR wrote: |> > Maybe try those registry deletes I've posted, including that real |> > big |> one... | I honestly believe that Warren did not follow all your advice on how | to remove all traces of his Display Adapter and his Monitor. | I think he was leary of the advice given and that is what is causing | the problem. He seems to be blind to the Registry keys deletes this 2nd time around-- the one that includes his monster... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor He's got a trillion monitors in there! I have only one! | If the only problem he is having is that a 'default monitor' is | listed in DM, so what? It's that & that fact he's got a Registry key that won't stop growing. At one point this was the highest it went... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor\0015 NOW-- it is over 18! And it may begin legally to drink! | If that default monitor is actually causing problems, then let's get | with it. I'm thinking he does need to try the deletes. After that, maybe we could go after a .bin or two... DRVDATA.bin &/or DRVIDX.bin. | Buffalo -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Warren wrote: | I notice that my monitor enumeration has climbed from 0002 at the | beginning of this exercise to 0018 & 0019. What does this mean ? | Is there a way of resetting the enumeration of monitors or does Device | Manager keep counting each time you delete a monitor ? I really hope | Device Manager doesn't think I have 19 monitors ? I see nothing wrong with your MSInfo32 information, except that the monitor numbers are growing. Try that 2nd set of Registry deletes I've posted several times, the one of the monitors in the ENUM key & the trillion monitors at... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor Here is the post one last time... I think you can risk the registry key deletes... news:uaU068beIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl You know how to export & restore them, if the deletes go bad. Also, I posted how to do a ScanReg /Restore, not to mention you now have a refreshed full system backup. When you get to this key... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor ...., R-Clk "Monitor" in the left pane, export & then delete it. That gets them all! Maybe, first, just click "Monitor" to highlight it, & use the Edit menu to export it. After that, we could consider deleted one or both of these... DRVDATA.bin &/or DRVIDX.bin. Remember this...?... (a) "START button, Find, F/F" (b) Leave "Named" empty. © In "Containing text", enter... %VCDTS21367-1% (d) In "Look in", browse to... "C:\WINDOWS\INF". (e) If it is found, post the .inf. (1) You said %VCDTS21367-1% was indisde Drvidx.bin. Is it still in there? (2) What are the dates on DRVDATA.bin & DRVIDX.bin? | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message | news:OtqhZxZfIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... ....snip -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Warren Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Sorry PCR but your links don't work and I'm not sure what registry deletes you are talking about. Perhaps at date/time might help ? "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:ufvJOzmfIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Warren wrote: > | I notice that my monitor enumeration has climbed from 0002 at the > | beginning of this exercise to 0018 & 0019. What does this mean ? > | Is there a way of resetting the enumeration of monitors or does Device > | Manager keep counting each time you delete a monitor ? I really hope > | Device Manager doesn't think I have 19 monitors ? > > I see nothing wrong with your MSInfo32 information, except that the > monitor numbers are growing. > > Try that 2nd set of Registry deletes I've posted several times, the one > of the monitors in the ENUM key & the trillion monitors at... > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor > > Here is the post one last time... > I think you can risk the registry key deletes... > news:uaU068beIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl > > You know how to export & restore them, if the deletes go bad. Also, I > posted how to do a ScanReg /Restore, not to mention you now have a > refreshed full system backup. > > When you get to this key... > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor > > ..., R-Clk "Monitor" in the left pane, export & then delete it. That > gets them all! Maybe, first, just click "Monitor" to highlight it, & use > the Edit menu to export it. > > After that, we could consider deleted one or both of these... > DRVDATA.bin &/or DRVIDX.bin. > > Remember this...?... > > (a) "START button, Find, F/F" > (b) Leave "Named" empty. > © In "Containing text", enter... %VCDTS21367-1% > (d) In "Look in", browse to... "C:\WINDOWS\INF". > (e) If it is found, post the .inf. > > (1) You said %VCDTS21367-1% was indisde Drvidx.bin. > Is it still in there? > > (2) What are the dates on DRVDATA.bin & DRVIDX.bin? > > | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message > | news:OtqhZxZfIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > ...snip > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest Warren Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Well I took a stab at what I think you are asking me to do and deleted the Monitor keys in locations HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor & HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\Monitor After a reboot, both the Default & VP930 monitors came back and the monitor list in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor increased by two more monitors. Obviously I have misunderstood your instructions as the monitor numbering continued to get worse (I subsequently reverted my hard drive prior to these changes). "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:ufvJOzmfIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Warren wrote: > | I notice that my monitor enumeration has climbed from 0002 at the > | beginning of this exercise to 0018 & 0019. What does this mean ? > | Is there a way of resetting the enumeration of monitors or does Device > | Manager keep counting each time you delete a monitor ? I really hope > | Device Manager doesn't think I have 19 monitors ? > > I see nothing wrong with your MSInfo32 information, except that the > monitor numbers are growing. > > Try that 2nd set of Registry deletes I've posted several times, the one > of the monitors in the ENUM key & the trillion monitors at... > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor > > Here is the post one last time... > I think you can risk the registry key deletes... > news:uaU068beIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl > > You know how to export & restore them, if the deletes go bad. Also, I > posted how to do a ScanReg /Restore, not to mention you now have a > refreshed full system backup. > > When you get to this key... > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor > > ..., R-Clk "Monitor" in the left pane, export & then delete it. That > gets them all! Maybe, first, just click "Monitor" to highlight it, & use > the Edit menu to export it. > > After that, we could consider deleted one or both of these... > DRVDATA.bin &/or DRVIDX.bin. > > Remember this...?... > > (a) "START button, Find, F/F" > (b) Leave "Named" empty. > © In "Containing text", enter... %VCDTS21367-1% > (d) In "Look in", browse to... "C:\WINDOWS\INF". > (e) If it is found, post the .inf. > > (1) You said %VCDTS21367-1% was indisde Drvidx.bin. > Is it still in there? > > (2) What are the dates on DRVDATA.bin & DRVIDX.bin? I don't exactly remember what we were doing at the time (wasn't it a rogue driver that you fixed), but %VCDTS21367-1% only is found in Monitr11.inf now. DRVDATA.bin & DRVIDX.bin are both dated March 3, 2008. > | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message > | news:OtqhZxZfIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > ...snip > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest Warren Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Come on guys, let's be polite, no need to refer to me in the third person. I need some help to clean up this registry mess, not insults to my personal integrity. I've tried my best to follow your instructions to the letter. I may have missed something, but it was not intentional. If I wasn't willing to take your advise I wouldn't be continuing to participate in this thread. I've learned quite a bit about the registry from this thread and I appreciate this very much, but the problems at hand have not been resolved. Lee made some comment about not deleting the hardware correctly from the registry, that I've been "piddling" around, which is causing the monitor registry bloat in [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor. When I asked for clarification on what I was doing wrong, he responded with silence. As I've recently found out deleting the "Monitor key" just makes things worse as far as registry bloat is concerned. "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:ubSUtpmfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Buffalo wrote: > | PCR wrote: > |> > Maybe try those registry deletes I've posted, including that real > |> > big > |> one... > | I honestly believe that Warren did not follow all your advice on how > | to remove all traces of his Display Adapter and his Monitor. > | I think he was leary of the advice given and that is what is causing > | the problem. > > He seems to be blind to the Registry keys deletes this 2nd time around-- > the one that includes his monster... > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor > > He's got a trillion monitors in there! I have only one! > > | If the only problem he is having is that a 'default monitor' is > | listed in DM, so what? > > It's that & that fact he's got a Registry key that won't stop growing. > At one point this was the highest it went... > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor\0015 > > NOW-- it is over 18! And it may begin legally to drink! > > | If that default monitor is actually causing problems, then let's get > | with it. > > I'm thinking he does need to try the deletes. After that, maybe we could > go after a .bin or two... DRVDATA.bin &/or DRVIDX.bin. > > | Buffalo > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest PCR Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Warren wrote: | Come on guys, let's be polite, no need to refer to me in the third | person. I need some help to clean up this registry mess, not insults | to my personal integrity. I've tried my best to follow your | instructions to the letter. I may have missed something, but it was | not intentional. If I wasn't willing to take your advise I wouldn't | be continuing to participate in this thread. I've learned quite a bit | about the registry from this thread and I appreciate this very much, | but the problems at hand have not been resolved. | | Lee made some comment about not deleting the hardware correctly from | the registry, that I've been "piddling" around, which is causing the | monitor registry bloat in | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor. | When I asked for clarification on what I was doing wrong, he | responded with silence. As I've recently found out deleting the | "Monitor key" just makes things worse as far as registry bloat is | concerned. Alright. I'll answer over there. I fully apologize for referring to you in the 3rd person, although I can't spot where I did it! Indeed, when you answered my posts, you answered every part & posted the results-- except that 2nd Registry delete, which finally you did do. It is very perplexing why these things aren't working, is all. | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:ubSUtpmfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> Buffalo wrote: |> | PCR wrote: |> |> > Maybe try those registry deletes I've posted, including that |> |> > real big |> |> one... |> | I honestly believe that Warren did not follow all your advice on |> | how to remove all traces of his Display Adapter and his Monitor. |> | I think he was leary of the advice given and that is what is |> | causing the problem. |> |> He seems to be blind to the Registry keys deletes this 2nd time |> around-- the one that includes his monster... |> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor |> |> He's got a trillion monitors in there! I have only one! |> |> | If the only problem he is having is that a 'default monitor' is |> | listed in DM, so what? |> |> It's that & that fact he's got a Registry key that won't stop |> growing. At one point this was the highest it went... |> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor\0015 |> |> NOW-- it is over 18! And it may begin legally to drink! |> |> | If that default monitor is actually causing problems, then let's |> | get with it. |> |> I'm thinking he does need to try the deletes. After that, maybe we |> could go after a .bin or two... DRVDATA.bin &/or DRVIDX.bin. |> |> | Buffalo |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Buffalo Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Warren wrote: > Come on guys, let's be polite, no need to refer to me in the third > person. I stand by what I said and , if you reread my post, I referred to you as Warren. My opening sentence: "I honestly believe that Warren did not follow all your advice on how to remove all traces of his Display Adapter and his Monitor."
Guest Warren Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Yes, I'm' not very happy with the growing monitor list. I should have noticed this earlier and started reverting my hard drive when the number got larger. It would be nice to clear out the registry bloat created by all this testing but I may have to live with it. "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:utrLHuyfIHA.1660@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Warren wrote: > | Come on guys, let's be polite, no need to refer to me in the third > | person. I need some help to clean up this registry mess, not insults > | to my personal integrity. I've tried my best to follow your > | instructions to the letter. I may have missed something, but it was > | not intentional. If I wasn't willing to take your advise I wouldn't > | be continuing to participate in this thread. I've learned quite a bit > | about the registry from this thread and I appreciate this very much, > | but the problems at hand have not been resolved. > | > | Lee made some comment about not deleting the hardware correctly from > | the registry, that I've been "piddling" around, which is causing the > | monitor registry bloat in > | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor. > | When I asked for clarification on what I was doing wrong, he > | responded with silence. As I've recently found out deleting the > | "Monitor key" just makes things worse as far as registry bloat is > | concerned. > > Alright. I'll answer over there. I fully apologize for referring to you > in the 3rd person, although I can't spot where I did it! Indeed, when > you answered my posts, you answered every part & posted the results-- > except that 2nd Registry delete, which finally you did do. It is very > perplexing why these things aren't working, is all. > > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > | news:ubSUtpmfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > |> Buffalo wrote: > |> | PCR wrote: > |> |> > Maybe try those registry deletes I've posted, including that > |> |> > real big > |> |> one... > |> | I honestly believe that Warren did not follow all your advice on > |> | how to remove all traces of his Display Adapter and his Monitor. > |> | I think he was leary of the advice given and that is what is > |> | causing the problem. > |> > |> He seems to be blind to the Registry keys deletes this 2nd time > |> around-- the one that includes his monster... > |> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor > |> > |> He's got a trillion monitors in there! I have only one! > |> > |> | If the only problem he is having is that a 'default monitor' is > |> | listed in DM, so what? > |> > |> It's that & that fact he's got a Registry key that won't stop > |> growing. At one point this was the highest it went... > |> > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor\0015 > |> > |> NOW-- it is over 18! And it may begin legally to drink! > |> > |> | If that default monitor is actually causing problems, then let's > |> | get with it. > |> > |> I'm thinking he does need to try the deletes. After that, maybe we > |> could go after a .bin or two... DRVDATA.bin &/or DRVIDX.bin. > |> > |> | Buffalo > |> > |> -- > |> Thanks or Good Luck, > |> There may be humor in this post, and, > |> Naturally, you will not sue, > |> Should things get worse after this, > |> PCR > |> pcrrcp@netzero.net > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest PCR Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Warren wrote: | Well I took a stab at what I think you are asking me to do and | deleted the Monitor keys in locations | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor | & | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\Monitor Yea, that was it. | After a reboot, both the Default & VP930 monitors came back and the | monitor list in | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor | increased by two more monitors. Yow! I'm trying to think... what would make that entire Registry key come back? | Obviously I have misunderstood your | instructions as the monitor numbering continued to get worse (I | subsequently reverted my hard drive prior to these changes). Alright. That possibly was over-kill, though. I probably would have tried importing the deleted key or reverting just to the original Registry first. | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:ufvJOzmfIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> Warren wrote: |> | I notice that my monitor enumeration has climbed from 0002 at the |> | beginning of this exercise to 0018 & 0019. What does this mean ? |> | Is there a way of resetting the enumeration of monitors or does |> | Device Manager keep counting each time you delete a monitor ? I |> | really hope Device Manager doesn't think I have 19 monitors ? |> |> I see nothing wrong with your MSInfo32 information, except that the |> monitor numbers are growing. |> |> Try that 2nd set of Registry deletes I've posted several times, the |> one of the monitors in the ENUM key & the trillion monitors at... |> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor |> |> Here is the post one last time... |> I think you can risk the registry key deletes... |> news:uaU068beIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl |> |> You know how to export & restore them, if the deletes go bad. Also, I |> posted how to do a ScanReg /Restore, not to mention you now have a |> refreshed full system backup. |> |> When you get to this key... |> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor |> |> ..., R-Clk "Monitor" in the left pane, export & then delete it. That |> gets them all! Maybe, first, just click "Monitor" to highlight it, & |> use the Edit menu to export it. |> |> After that, we could consider deleted one or both of these... |> DRVDATA.bin &/or DRVIDX.bin. |> |> Remember this...?... |> |> (a) "START button, Find, F/F" |> (b) Leave "Named" empty. |> © In "Containing text", enter... %VCDTS21367-1% |> (d) In "Look in", browse to... "C:\WINDOWS\INF". |> (e) If it is found, post the .inf. |> |> (1) You said %VCDTS21367-1% was indisde Drvidx.bin. |> Is it still in there? |> |> (2) What are the dates on DRVDATA.bin & DRVIDX.bin? | | I don't exactly remember what we were doing at the time (wasn't it a | rogue driver that you fixed), but %VCDTS21367-1% only is found in | Monitr11.inf now. No. %VCDTS21367-1% was a rogue variable in Monitr11.inf that we fixed. It showed in our Update Driver requestor as one of the ViewSonic drivers. Now "Optiquest V115" shows instead, but not on top! By the way, that %VCDTS21367-1% also was in one of the junk monitors in your original Monitor Registry key... [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor\0003 ] "InfPath"="MONITR11.INF" "InfSection"="VCDTS21367-1.Install" "ProviderName"="Microsoft" "DriverDesc"="%VCDTS21367-1%" "MatchingDeviceId"="Monitor\\OQI4D31" "DPMS"="1" "DriverDate"=" 4-23-1999" (a) Is at least that one gone now? (b) Back then, you had 15 monitors in that key-- is it 19 now? I still have just one, & it's the right one. And this is the third monitor I have attached to this machine. I think this thread has become too huge to be useful. Maybe start a new one entitled "Trying to be rid of Default Monitor". Include the following in the post... (1) These Registry keys... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor (2) "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Components, Display" Show it all, except the IO & Memory Address ranges. (3) Post your dates again for DRVDATA.bin & DRVIDX.bin. (I just want to be sure neither changes every day.) (4) "START button, Run, SysEdit" Post your Config.sys & Autoexec.bat files. (5) How many Registry keys contain the word "Default_Monitor"? Note: That is an underline between the words. I have only 3... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\cfgmgr32\Ph antom\C HardWareKey "MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR\0001" <<String value HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\ASD\Prob\{9B4E7760-3 196-11CF-97EA-00AA0034319D} MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR\0001 00 <<Binary Value HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\ASD\Prob\{CF2524C0-2 9AE-11CF-97EA-00AA0034319D} MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR\0001 00 <<Binary Value ....But those bottom 2 are HUGE-- just post the names & the value! Get the value by "R-Clk, Modify". If any sounds interesting, someone may ask the full thing be posted. | DRVDATA.bin & DRVIDX.bin are both dated March 3, | 2008. That's fairly recent. My dates for those files are both 2/25/08, which is when I repaired my own Monitr11.inf. Looks like they regenerate automatically when necessary-- either a certain .inf has changed or certain Registry keys are deleted. Therefore, there is no sense in deleting them ourselves. |> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message |> | news:OtqhZxZfIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... |> |> |> ...snip |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager Warren wrote: | Yes, I'm' not very happy with the growing monitor list. I should have | noticed this earlier and started reverting my hard drive when the | number got larger. It would be nice to clear out the registry bloat | created by all this testing but I may have to live with it. Alright. I've posted the promised response. You may find it helpful to get... http://www.pcmag.com/ PCMag's "Registry Detective" (take "RegEdit+ too) is better than a naked RegEdit search, because it will only find an item once, if there is a "mirror" elsewhere. Also, it will find items in binary fields, which RegEdit does not. Finally, it finds ALL matches in 10 seconds & puts them ALL to the screen. There is a Details button for further examination of the Key. The search criteria can be adjusted and narrowed in various ways. There is a button to click that will get one into RegEdit+ (or RegEdit) open to that Key. I only wish there were an easy way to copy/post the Keys that were found in the search. They may be available at free sites too. | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:utrLHuyfIHA.1660@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... |> Warren wrote: |> | Come on guys, let's be polite, no need to refer to me in the third |> | person. I need some help to clean up this registry mess, not |> | insults to my personal integrity. I've tried my best to follow |> | your instructions to the letter. I may have missed something, but |> | it was not intentional. If I wasn't willing to take your advise I |> | wouldn't be continuing to participate in this thread. I've learned |> | quite a bit about the registry from this thread and I appreciate |> | this very much, but the problems at hand have not been resolved. |> | |> | Lee made some comment about not deleting the hardware correctly |> | from the registry, that I've been "piddling" around, which is |> | causing the monitor registry bloat in |> | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor. |> | When I asked for clarification on what I was doing wrong, he |> | responded with silence. As I've recently found out deleting the |> | "Monitor key" just makes things worse as far as registry bloat is |> | concerned. |> |> Alright. I'll answer over there. I fully apologize for referring to |> you in the 3rd person, although I can't spot where I did it! Indeed, |> when you answered my posts, you answered every part & posted the |> results-- except that 2nd Registry delete, which finally you did do. |> It is very perplexing why these things aren't working, is all. |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> | news:ubSUtpmfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> |> Buffalo wrote: |> |> | PCR wrote: |> |> |> > Maybe try those registry deletes I've posted, including that |> |> |> > real big |> |> |> one... |> |> | I honestly believe that Warren did not follow all your advice on |> |> | how to remove all traces of his Display Adapter and his Monitor. |> |> | I think he was leary of the advice given and that is what is |> |> | causing the problem. |> |> |> |> He seems to be blind to the Registry keys deletes this 2nd time |> |> around-- the one that includes his monster... |> |> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor |> |> |> |> He's got a trillion monitors in there! I have only one! |> |> |> |> | If the only problem he is having is that a 'default monitor' is |> |> | listed in DM, so what? |> |> |> |> It's that & that fact he's got a Registry key that won't stop |> |> growing. At one point this was the highest it went... |> |> |> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor\0015 |> |> |> |> NOW-- it is over 18! And it may begin legally to drink! |> |> |> |> | If that default monitor is actually causing problems, then let's |> |> | get with it. |> |> |> |> I'm thinking he does need to try the deletes. After that, maybe we |> |> could go after a .bin or two... DRVDATA.bin &/or DRVIDX.bin. |> |> |> |> | Buffalo |> |> |> |> -- |> |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> |> Should things get worse after this, |> |> PCR |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Lee Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Re: Trouble with new display and Device Manager On Mar 5, 7:43 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: > Yes, I'm' not very happy with the growing monitor list. I should have > noticed this earlier and started reverting my hard drive when the number got > larger. It would be nice to clear out the registry bloat created by all > this testing but I may have to live with it. > > "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message > > news:utrLHuyfIHA.1660@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > > > Warren wrote: > > | Come on guys, let's be polite, no need to refer to me in the third > > | person. I need some help to clean up this registry mess, not insults > > | to my personal integrity. I've tried my best to follow your > > | instructions to the letter. I may have missed something, but it was > > | not intentional. If I wasn't willing to take your advise I wouldn't > > | be continuing to participate in this thread. I've learned quite a bit > > | about the registry from this thread and I appreciate this very much, > > | but the problems at hand have not been resolved. > > | > > | Lee made some comment about not deleting the hardware correctly from > > | the registry, that I've been "piddling" around, which is causing the > > | monitor registry bloat in > > | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor. > > | When I asked for clarification on what I was doing wrong, he > > | responded with silence. As I've recently found out deleting the > > | "Monitor key" just makes things worse as far as registry bloat is > > | concerned. > > > Alright. I'll answer over there. I fully apologize for referring to you > > in the 3rd person, although I can't spot where I did it! Indeed, when > > you answered my posts, you answered every part & posted the results-- > > except that 2nd Registry delete, which finally you did do. It is very > > perplexing why these things aren't working, is all. > > > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message > > |news:ubSUtpmfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > |> Buffalo wrote: > > |> | PCR wrote: > > |> |> > Maybe try those registry deletes I've posted, including that > > |> |> > real big > > |> |> one... > > |> | I honestly believe that Warren did not follow all your advice on > > |> | how to remove all traces of his Display Adapter and his Monitor. > > |> | I think he was leary of the advice given and that is what is > > |> | causing the problem. > > |> > > |> He seems to be blind to the Registry keys deletes this 2nd time > > |> around-- the one that includes his monster... > > |> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor > > |> > > |> He's got a trillion monitors in there! I have only one! > > |> > > |> | If the only problem he is having is that a 'default monitor' is > > |> | listed in DM, so what? > > |> > > |> It's that & that fact he's got a Registry key that won't stop > > |> growing. At one point this was the highest it went... > > |> > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor\0015 > > |> > > |> NOW-- it is over 18! And it may begin legally to drink! > > |> > > |> | If that default monitor is actually causing problems, then let's > > |> | get with it. > > |> > > |> I'm thinking he does need to try the deletes. After that, maybe we > > |> could go after a .bin or two... DRVDATA.bin &/or DRVIDX.bin. > > |> > > |> | Buffalo > > |> > > |> -- > > |> Thanks or Good Luck, > > |> There may be humor in this post, and, > > |> Naturally, you will not sue, > > |> Should things get worse after this, > > |> PCR > > |> pcr...@netzero.net > > > -- > > Thanks or Good Luck, > > There may be humor in this post, and, > > Naturally, you will not sue, > > Should things get worse after this, > > PCR > > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Warren, in the left panel of regedit, while viewing the key of [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor \0000] highlight and then right click on the word Monitor in the left pane and select delete. It will be rebuilt on the next reboot. My silence is only indicative of my life outside this newsgroup - I do have one in other words, I meant no snub.
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