Windows Explorer - getting rid of those superfluous + signs?

[Guest Bill in Co.]

I've noticed that when you click on windows explorer to see all the files

and directories, you always have to wait several seconds for explorer to get

it right - i.e., which folders have subfolders, and actually need that +

sign, and which don't, so that it (finally) removes the + sign where it

should (because there is nothing to expand in those particular folders).

 

Is there a workaround to this, short of (possibly) reverting back to the old

Win98SE IE55 browseui and browselc DLL fix?

 

Actually, I'm not even sure I can get away with this in Windows XP. Has

anybody tried it? (Some of ya may recall that was a solution to the

infamous "file delete hang" introduced by IE6, when trying to delete a large

number of files).

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Windows Explorer - getting rid of those superfluous + signs?

 

Bill in Co. wrote:

> I've noticed that when you click on windows explorer to see all the files

> and directories, you always have to wait several seconds for explorer to

> get

> it right - i.e., which folders have subfolders and actually need that +

> sign,

> and which don't - so that explorer finally! removes the extra + signs

> where they shouldn't be (because there are no subfolders there).

>

> Is there a workaround to this, short of (possibly) reverting back to the

> old

> Win98SE IE55 browseui and browselc DLL fix?

>

> Actually, I'm not even sure I can get away with this in Windows XP. Has

> anybody tried it? (Some of ya may recall that was a solution to the

> infamous "file delete hang" introduced by IE6, when trying to delete a

> large

> number of files).

 

Just an update to this: I tried swapping out those two IE6 XP DLLs with

the older IE55 ones to patch out that problem, but it's a "no go" on XP

(which is perhaps to be expected). Too bad. (But it worked quite well on

a Win98SE system).

 

I would still like to know if there is a solution to this 10 second (or

whatever) delay for explorer to *finally* get settled down,and get rid of

those superfluous + signs (for the directories that don't have any

subdirectories).

 

It's just a bit annoying if you spend a lot of time down there (in explorer,

working at the file and directory level, and have to wait for it to get over

its song and dance routine).

[Guest Malke]

Re: Windows Explorer - getting rid of those superfluous + signs?

 

Bill in Co. wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>> I've noticed that when you click on windows explorer to see all the files

>> and directories, you always have to wait several seconds for explorer to

>> get

>> it right - i.e., which folders have subfolders and actually need that +

>> sign,

>> and which don't - so that explorer finally! removes the extra + signs

>> where they shouldn't be (because there are no subfolders there).

>>

>> Is there a workaround to this, short of (possibly) reverting back to the

>> old

>> Win98SE IE55 browseui and browselc DLL fix?

>>

>> Actually, I'm not even sure I can get away with this in Windows XP. Has

>> anybody tried it? (Some of ya may recall that was a solution to the

>> infamous "file delete hang" introduced by IE6, when trying to delete a

>> large

>> number of files).

>

> Just an update to this: I tried swapping out those two IE6 XP DLLs with

> the older IE55 ones to patch out that problem, but it's a "no go" on XP

> (which is perhaps to be expected). Too bad. (But it worked quite well

> on a Win98SE system).

>

> I would still like to know if there is a solution to this 10 second (or

> whatever) delay for explorer to *finally* get settled down,and get rid of

> those superfluous + signs (for the directories that don't have any

> subdirectories).

>

> It's just a bit annoying if you spend a lot of time down there (in

> explorer, working at the file and directory level, and have to wait for it

> to get over its song and dance routine).

 

Control Panel>Folder Options>View tab - tick the box next to "Simple File

Viewing". The language of this option might not be exactly what I've

written here (none of the XP boxen are on right now) but it is one of the

first options on the View tab and will be obvious to you which one I mean

when you look at it.

 

Malke

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[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Windows Explorer - getting rid of those superfluous + signs?

 

Malke wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>

>> Bill in Co. wrote:

>>> I've noticed that when you click on windows explorer to see all the

>>> files

>>> and directories, you always have to wait several seconds for explorer to

>>> get

>>> it right - i.e., which folders have subfolders and actually need that +

>>> sign,

>>> and which don't - so that explorer finally! removes the extra + signs

>>> where they shouldn't be (because there are no subfolders there).

>>>

>>> Is there a workaround to this, short of (possibly) reverting back to the

>>> old

>>> Win98SE IE55 browseui and browselc DLL fix?

>>>

>>> Actually, I'm not even sure I can get away with this in Windows XP.

>>> Has

>>> anybody tried it? (Some of ya may recall that was a solution to the

>>> infamous "file delete hang" introduced by IE6, when trying to delete a

>>> large

>>> number of files).

>>

>> Just an update to this: I tried swapping out those two IE6 XP DLLs with

>> the older IE55 ones to patch out that problem, but it's a "no go" on XP

>> (which is perhaps to be expected). Too bad. (But it worked quite well

>> on a Win98SE system).

>>

>> I would still like to know if there is a solution to this 10 second (or

>> whatever) delay for explorer to *finally* get settled down,and get rid of

>> those superfluous + signs (for the directories that don't have any

>> subdirectories).

>>

>> It's just a bit annoying if you spend a lot of time down there (in

>> explorer, working at the file and directory level, and have to wait for

>> it

>> to get over its song and dance routine).

>

> Control Panel>Folder Options>View tab - tick the box next to "Simple File

> Viewing". The language of this option might not be exactly what I've

> written here (none of the XP boxen are on right now) but it is one of the

> first options on the View tab and will be obvious to you which one I mean

> when you look at it.

 

No, that doesn't affect what I'm talking about. I guess I'm not making my

point very clear. With or without that option checked, the problem still

exists.

 

When you open windows explorer and click on (for example) the C: drive, to

see its contents, you have to WAIT for explorer to settle down (for all the

+ signs at the directories to either stay or go away - for that to get

sorted out) before you can do much of anything in windows explorer. And

that takes some time (even moreso the first time you open explorer on any

new directory).

 

I'm also using those explorer switches in the shortcut, for example:

%SystemRoot%\explorer.exe /n,/e,C:\

 

But again, it doesn't solve the problem.

[Guest Malke]

Re: Windows Explorer - getting rid of those superfluous + signs?

 

Bill in Co. wrote:

> No, that doesn't affect what I'm talking about. I guess I'm not making

> my

> point very clear. With or without that option checked, the problem

> still exists.

>

> When you open windows explorer and click on (for example) the C: drive, to

> see its contents, you have to WAIT for explorer to settle down (for all

> the + signs at the directories to either stay or go away - for that to get

> sorted out) before you can do much of anything in windows explorer. And

> that takes some time (even moreso the first time you open explorer on any

> new directory).

>

> I'm also using those explorer switches in the shortcut, for example:

> %SystemRoot%\explorer.exe /n,/e,C:\

>

> But again, it doesn't solve the problem.

 

No, I'm sorry that I don't know how to change that behavior. But perhaps you

don't have enough memory in your system. It takes no time at all for my

Windows Explorer to display the tree on any of my Windows machines and none

of them are particularly beefed up, although the least RAM I have is 512MB

in one laptop.

 

Sorry that I can't suggest anything else.

 

Malke

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Elephant Boy Computers

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[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Windows Explorer - getting rid of those superfluous + signs?

 

Malke wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>

>> No, that doesn't affect what I'm talking about. I guess I'm not making

>> my

>> point very clear. With or without that option checked, the problem

>> still exists.

>>

>> When you open windows explorer and click on (for example) the C: drive,

>> to

>> see its contents, you have to WAIT for explorer to settle down (for all

>> the + signs at the directories to either stay or go away - for that to

>> get

>> sorted out) before you can do much of anything in windows explorer.

>> And

>> that takes some time (even moreso the first time you open explorer on any

>> new directory).

>>

>> I'm also using those explorer switches in the shortcut, for example:

>> %SystemRoot%\explorer.exe /n,/e,C:\

>>

>> But again, it doesn't solve the problem.

>

> No, I'm sorry that I don't know how to change that behavior. But perhaps

> you

> don't have enough memory in your system. It takes no time at all for my

> Windows Explorer to display the tree on any of my Windows machines and

> none

> of them are particularly beefed up, although the least RAM I have is 512MB

> in one laptop.

>

> Sorry that I can't suggest anything else.

>

> Malke

 

Thanks for trying at least. I have 1 GB of RAM, and a 1.6 GHz machine.

Guess that's not enough for a speedy response from Explorer :-)

 

After you boot up and you first click explorer on the C: drive to expand it

and show all subfolders, you don't notice a NOTICEABLE delay? (keep in

mind I'm also using that explorer switch shortcut to help get to that point

initially in the first place)

 

Well, I'm kinda used to an instantaneous response from my Win98SE computer

for explorer - WITH the two DLL patches I mentioned (which eliminated this

problem completely).

 

Before that patch was made, however, I think the same thing happened over

there too, once IE6 came into existence. It never happened with IE55, but

the "updates" made to those two browse DLLs in IE6 created the problem -

along with the reported "large number of files delete hanging problem", on

the Win98 systems.

[Guest Malke]

Re: Windows Explorer - getting rid of those superfluous + signs?

 

Bill in Co. wrote:

> Thanks for trying at least. I have 1 GB of RAM, and a 1.6 GHz machine.

> Guess that's not enough for a speedy response from Explorer :-)

 

I assume that you have a laptop with a modern processor then like an Intel

Core2 Duo or the like and not a Celeron. Certainly 1GB of RAM is enough for

XP's normal behavior. If you have a Celeron and are sharing video RAM, then

that's why your machine is slowish, even with 1GB of RAM.

> After you boot up and you first click explorer on the C: drive to expand

> it

> and show all subfolders, you don't notice a NOTICEABLE delay? (keep in

> mind I'm also using that explorer switch shortcut to help get to that

> point initially in the first place)

 

Nope. Sorry. No delay. Maybe you have a lot of stuff running in the

background. Maybe you have Norton, McAfee, Panda, or CA AV installed or

equally bloated programs like SpySweeper. There's no way for me to tell but

all I can say is that on the 3 XP boxen I have here right now - all of

which are older - I don't experience any delays in gui responsiveness

whatsoever. But I have AMD or Intel processors and even the laptop has a

discrete video (no shared).

 

Don't have anything else to add to this, so EOT for me.

 

Malke

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Elephant Boy Computers

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[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Windows Explorer - getting rid of those superfluous + signs?

 

Malke wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>

>> Thanks for trying at least. I have 1 GB of RAM, and a 1.6 GHz machine.

>> Guess that's not enough for a speedy response from Explorer :-)

>

> I assume that you have a laptop with a modern processor then like an Intel

> Core2 Duo or the like and not a Celeron. Certainly 1GB of RAM is enough

> for

> XP's normal behavior. If you have a Celeron and are sharing video RAM,

> then

> that's why your machine is slowish, even with 1GB of RAM.

 

No. I have a Dell Inspirion Desktop, but NOT with a dual-core processor

(not needed or useful for XP). And, yes, it's an Intel Celeron. And no

special graphics card (I think it's on the motherboard) (wasn't into that

stuff - no need here, never run games). So obviously our systems are

quite different! That's probably the explanation then.

>> After you boot up and you first click explorer on the C: drive to expand

>> it

>> and show all subfolders, you don't notice a NOTICEABLE delay? (keep

>> in

>> mind I'm also using that explorer switch shortcut to help get to that

>> point initially in the first place)

>

> Nope. Sorry. No delay. Maybe you have a lot of stuff running in the

> background. Maybe you have Norton, McAfee, Panda, or CA AV installed or

> equally bloated programs like SpySweeper. There's no way for me to tell

> but

> all I can say is that on the 3 XP boxen I have here right now - all of

> which are older - I don't experience any delays in gui responsiveness

> whatsoever. But I have AMD or Intel processors and even the laptop has a

> discrete video (no shared).

>

> Don't have anything else to add to this, so EOT for me.

 

OK, thanks for the info though.