password expired

[Guest tulio]

help me, my administrator's password just expired, i still have acess

to the Guest user, but when i try to change the password it says Acess

Denied, what can i do?

thank you all.

[Guest Gordon]

Re: password expired

 

"tulio" <tulio123546@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> help me, my administrator's password just expired, i still have acess

> to the Guest user, but when i try to change the password it says Acess

> Denied, what can i do?

> thank you all.

 

 

Log on with the built-in administrator account.

as you haven't bothered to give us any details, like which version of XP you

are running, in Home edition boot into safe Mode and log on as the

administrator. in Pro, at the welcome screen, press Ctl-alt-Del twice and do

the same. You can then re-set the password and set the parameters for expiry

or not, as you wish.

[Guest tulio]

Re: password expired

 

its Windows xp professionr sp2 PT-BR

and i alread tried logging onto Administrator, but it was deleted,

renamed or i forgot the password

Administrator account doesnt show up in the welcmoe screen in safe-

mode, and it wasnt supposed to happen, was it?

[Guest Gordon]

Re: password expired

 

"tulio" <tulio123546@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> its Windows xp professionr sp2 PT-BR

> and i alread tried logging onto Administrator, but it was deleted,

> renamed or i forgot the password

> Administrator account doesnt show up in the welcmoe screen in safe-

> mode, and it wasnt supposed to happen, was it?

 

 

At the welcome screen press Ctl-Alt-del twice and you will see the old W2K

style log-on dialog box. log on with the Administrator account using that,

[Guest sgopus]

RE: password expired

 

The default administrators password is set to never expire, so you must be

talking about your personal account with admin level authority.

The guest account has limited authority and can't change the admins account

password due to this restricted level, most likely you can't change the

guests password either, try to use the default admin account which unless you

purposely set a password is usually blank (just hit enter).

 

"tulio" wrote:

> help me, my administrator's password just expired, i still have acess

> to the Guest user, but when i try to change the password it says Acess

> Denied, what can i do?

> thank you all.

>

[Guest Patrick Keenan]

Re: password expired

 

"tulio" <tulio123546@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:daea25d3-e6dc-4823-b37b-7055780a3093@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> help me, my administrator's password just expired, i still have acess

> to the Guest user, but when i try to change the password it says Acess

> Denied,

 

This really isn't a suprise, since the Guest account doesn't have those

rights.

> what can i do?

 

Log onto the Administrator account - the one called Administrator - and

reset your password. If this is XP Home, you need to start in Safe Mode to

get to this.

 

If all else fails, you can find password reset utilities, many of which are

based on Linux boot CDs.

 

Note that if the OS is XP Pro, *and* if you also invoked encryption, you

will instantly and permanently lose access to the encrypted files or folders

when you change the password from outside the account.

 

The only ways to get it back are infrequently available - importing the

backed - up credentials, or using a recovery agent.

 

HTH

-pk

> thank you all.

[Guest Mick Murphy]

Re: password expired

 

http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/

 

Passoword recovery

--

Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia

 

 

"tulio" wrote:

> its Windows xp professionr sp2 PT-BR

> and i alread tried logging onto Administrator, but it was deleted,

> renamed or i forgot the password

> Administrator account doesnt show up in the welcmoe screen in safe-

> mode, and it wasnt supposed to happen, was it?

>

[Guest Mick Murphy]

Re: password expired

 

http://ophcrack.sourceforge.net/

--

Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia

 

 

"Mick Murphy" wrote:

> http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/

>

> Passoword recovery

> --

> Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia

>

>

> "tulio" wrote:

>

> > its Windows xp professionr sp2 PT-BR

> > and i alread tried logging onto Administrator, but it was deleted,

> > renamed or i forgot the password

> > Administrator account doesnt show up in the welcmoe screen in safe-

> > mode, and it wasnt supposed to happen, was it?

> >

[Guest Charles May]

Re: password expired

 

 

"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message

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> "tulio" <tulio123546@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:daea25d3-e6dc-4823-b37b-7055780a3093@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

>> help me, my administrator's password just expired, i still have acess

>> to the Guest user, but when i try to change the password it says Acess

>> Denied,

>

> This really isn't a suprise, since the Guest account doesn't have those

> rights.

>

>> what can i do?

>

> Log onto the Administrator account - the one called Administrator - and

> reset your password. If this is XP Home, you need to start in Safe Mode

> to get to this.

>

> If all else fails, you can find password reset utilities, many of which

> are based on Linux boot CDs.

>

> Note that if the OS is XP Pro, *and* if you also invoked encryption, you

> will instantly and permanently lose access to the encrypted files or

> folders when you change the password from outside the account.

 

Patrick,

Wouldn't the OP be able to access the encrypted files by setting the

password back to the original one? This is not a forgotton password but one

that has expired. I'm only asking because if a user has encrypted files and

they cannot be recovered by setting their password back to the original

if/when it expires, why would the OS allow you to set the Password Expires

bit in the User settings when using encrypted files or folders?

 

Charlie

>

[Guest Patrick Keenan]

Re: password expired

 

"Charles May" <nunya@bidniz.com> wrote in message

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>

> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message

> news:%23g8sLg4cIHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> "tulio" <tulio123546@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:daea25d3-e6dc-4823-b37b-7055780a3093@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

>>> help me, my administrator's password just expired, i still have acess

>>> to the Guest user, but when i try to change the password it says Acess

>>> Denied,

>>

>> This really isn't a suprise, since the Guest account doesn't have those

>> rights.

>>

>>> what can i do?

>>

>> Log onto the Administrator account - the one called Administrator - and

>> reset your password. If this is XP Home, you need to start in Safe Mode

>> to get to this.

>>

>> If all else fails, you can find password reset utilities, many of which

>> are based on Linux boot CDs.

>>

>> Note that if the OS is XP Pro, *and* if you also invoked encryption, you

>> will instantly and permanently lose access to the encrypted files or

>> folders when you change the password from outside the account.

>

> Patrick,

> Wouldn't the OP be able to access the encrypted files by setting the

> password back to the original one?

 

No, this does not work, and is a common misconception.

 

EFS (Encrypting File System) does not rely solely on the password, but on

account credentials, which are built from several inputs. You will not

duplicate the credentials by resetting the password.

 

You have to export the credentials at the time that you invoke encryption,

back them up and store them safely. Or, designate a recovery agent.

> This is not a forgotton password but one that has expired.

 

Unfortunately that isn't a relevant difference.

 

If you change the password from outside the account, and do not have the

account credentials backed up or have a designated recovery agent, you will

instantly and permanently lose access to the encrypted data.

> I'm only asking because if a user has encrypted files and they cannot be

> recovered by setting their password back to the original if/when it

> expires, why would the OS allow you to set the Password Expires bit in the

> User settings when using encrypted files or folders?

 

User Beware.

 

It's the user's responsibility to educate themselves about EFS before

invoking it. There aren't safeguards. There is risk.

 

What you would do for the expired password is to import the backed-up

credentials after resetting the password. The problem is that many people

skip that step.

 

MS did a great job of making it easy to get strong encryption, but did not

do such a great job of wrapping up details around it, such as requiring

credential backup.

 

 

It's quite common for people to post questions about EFS, and unfortunately,

there are seldom happy stories attached to those questions.

 

HTH

-pk

 

>

> Charlie

>>

>

>

[Guest Charles May]

Re: password expired

 

Thanks Patrick,

I have never used EFS but the conversation prompted the questions asked.

Thanks for the informative reply.

 

Charlie

 

"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message

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> "Charles May" <nunya@bidniz.com> wrote in message

> news:sGkvj.32391$s33.9296@trndny06...

>>

>> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message

>> news:%23g8sLg4cIHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> "tulio" <tulio123546@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:daea25d3-e6dc-4823-b37b-7055780a3093@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

>>>> help me, my administrator's password just expired, i still have acess

>>>> to the Guest user, but when i try to change the password it says Acess

>>>> Denied,

>>>

>>> This really isn't a suprise, since the Guest account doesn't have those

>>> rights.

>>>

>>>> what can i do?

>>>

>>> Log onto the Administrator account - the one called Administrator - and

>>> reset your password. If this is XP Home, you need to start in Safe

>>> Mode to get to this.

>>>

>>> If all else fails, you can find password reset utilities, many of which

>>> are based on Linux boot CDs.

>>>

>>> Note that if the OS is XP Pro, *and* if you also invoked encryption, you

>>> will instantly and permanently lose access to the encrypted files or

>>> folders when you change the password from outside the account.

>>

>> Patrick,

>> Wouldn't the OP be able to access the encrypted files by setting the

>> password back to the original one?

>

> No, this does not work, and is a common misconception.

>

> EFS (Encrypting File System) does not rely solely on the password, but on

> account credentials, which are built from several inputs. You will not

> duplicate the credentials by resetting the password.

>

> You have to export the credentials at the time that you invoke encryption,

> back them up and store them safely. Or, designate a recovery agent.

>

>> This is not a forgotton password but one that has expired.

>

> Unfortunately that isn't a relevant difference.

>

> If you change the password from outside the account, and do not have the

> account credentials backed up or have a designated recovery agent, you

> will instantly and permanently lose access to the encrypted data.

>

>> I'm only asking because if a user has encrypted files and they cannot be

>> recovered by setting their password back to the original if/when it

>> expires, why would the OS allow you to set the Password Expires bit in

>> the User settings when using encrypted files or folders?

>

> User Beware.

>

> It's the user's responsibility to educate themselves about EFS before

> invoking it. There aren't safeguards. There is risk.

>

> What you would do for the expired password is to import the backed-up

> credentials after resetting the password. The problem is that many

> people skip that step.

>

> MS did a great job of making it easy to get strong encryption, but did not

> do such a great job of wrapping up details around it, such as requiring

> credential backup.

>

>

> It's quite common for people to post questions about EFS, and

> unfortunately, there are seldom happy stories attached to those questions.

>

> HTH

> -pk

>

>

>>

>> Charlie

>>>

>>

>>

>