Taskbar won't move

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Taskbar won't move

 

Ooops, left one out - the MPG format. Sorry about that, and corrected

below.

 

Bill in Co. wrote:

> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:e$MUD1ofIHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> AVI is a "wrapper". (in a sense, something like zip, except its for AV

>>> apps).

>>>

>>> Who knows what the limits are, on what is, and what is not, allowed to

>>> be

>>> wrapped, however. I expect it's loosely defined in some spec

>>> somewhere.

>>> :-)

>>>

>>

>> It's a Microsoft system. 'AVI' stands for 'Audio Video Interleave' and

>> was

>> so called because the same file contained the audio and video interleaved

>> together. Although this doesn't sound like anything spectacular today,

>> previously the audio was stored in a different file to the video which

>> would give the early hard drive mechanisms a thorough workout.

>

> This must have been quite awhile ago. Like back in the late 1980's -

> early 1990's (just guessing).

>

> One advantage of that is that it's easy to clean up the audio (audio

> restoration), if needbe; and once you've done that, it's done, and no

> remultiplexing of the audio track with the video is required. (Not much

> of

> a practical advantage, though).

>

> Back at that point in time, I think audio was only in the WAV format

> (can't

> recall for certain though). I'm guessing the compressed formats for

> audio

> (i.e. music) weren't around back then, but I can't recall for sure, now.

> IIRC, they probably came in around the 1990's.

>

>> Apple achieved

>> something similar with their own (but otherwise incompatible) .MOV

>> format.

>

> And today we also have Microsoft's WMV format, which I think includes the

> audio.

>

> So let's summarize (correct me if I'm mistaken):

> For audio and video together, we have .AVI, .MOV, MPG, and .WMV formats

> (for a PC).

>

>> As you note .AVI can use just about any codec you care to dream up or

>> even

>> just raw video (making it the video equivalent of a .WAV file).

>>

>> Oddly, high definition has in some ways taken a leap backwards because

>> many

>> editing systems store the HD video in .M2V files with the audio being

>> held

>> in an accompanying .AVI file (.AVI doesn't have to have video or indeed

>> audio). HD Camcorders use the highly compressed .MTS* format which can

>> also

>> carry surround sound in one of the recognised formats (usually Dolby

>> Digital

>> 5.1).

>>

>> *Usually transcoded into the similar .M2TS format at the editing stage,

>> which Blu-ray players understand.

>>

>>> Brian A. wrote:

>>>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...

>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures

>>>>>>>> of it

>>>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are

>>>>>>>> each

>>>>>>>> approx 8 MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:

>>>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this

>>>>>>> PC,

>>>>>>> so I am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it

>>>>>>> doesn't matter as I couldn't load the codec if I did.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to

>>>>>> view.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded

>>>>> in a

>>>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so

>>>>> large

>>>>> variety of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately,

>>>>> yours

>>>>> is one that I can't read.

>>>>

>>>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in

>>>> both

>>>> Win

>>>> MP 10 and 11 for me.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }

>>>> Conflicts start where information lacks.

>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/

>>>>

>>>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

>>>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

[Guest Brian A.]

Re: Taskbar won't move

 

"M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

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>

> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message

> news:eievetofIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...

>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures of it

>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are each approx 8

>>>>>> MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:

>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this PC, so I

>>>>> am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it doesn't matter

>>>>> as I couldn't load the codec if I did.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to view.

>>>>

>>>

>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded in a

>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so large variety

>>> of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately, yours is one that I

>>> can't read.

>>

>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in both Win MP

>> 10 and 11 for me.

>>

>>

>

> That will be because your PC has that particular codec installed on it. Any AVI

> viewer on that PC should be able to pick the codec up and correctly display the

> video.

>

>

 

I see that now after checking on other machines with different software. Had I

left them alone at the larger .wmv perhaps they would have been viewable, but they

were to large to justify keeping them. Oh well, I'll just dump that page and leave

well enough alone unless I can find a way to change them so they are viewable and

smaller in size.

 

 

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Conflicts start where information lacks.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/

 

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[Guest Brian A.]

Re: Taskbar won't move

 

"M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

news:47ce4e7b$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...

>

> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message

> news:eievetofIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...

>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures of it

>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are each approx 8

>>>>>> MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:

>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this PC, so I

>>>>> am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it doesn't matter

>>>>> as I couldn't load the codec if I did.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to view.

>>>>

>>>

>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded in a

>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so large variety

>>> of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately, yours is one that I

>>> can't read.

>>

>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in both Win MP

>> 10 and 11 for me.

>>

>>

>

> That will be because your PC has that particular codec installed on it. Any AVI

> viewer on that PC should be able to pick the codec up and correctly display the

> video.

>

>

 

Ok, I've added a 3.5 MB file showing the move from the QL area. It works in WMP on

other machines without the same software so codecs shouldn't be an issue but quality

may be.

 

--

 

 

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }

Conflicts start where information lacks.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/

 

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

[Guest Brian A.]

Re: Taskbar won't move

 

Should have included the link although it's the same as before, so here it is:

http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm

 

--

 

 

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }

Conflicts start where information lacks.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/

 

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Taskbar won't move

 

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:em9JOVqfIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Ooops, left one out - the MPG format. Sorry about that, and corrected

> below.

>

 

There are quite a few other fomats as well, but these tend to turn up in

more specialised applications.

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:e$MUD1ofIHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> AVI is a "wrapper". (in a sense, something like zip, except its for

>>>> AV

>>>> apps).

>>>>

>>>> Who knows what the limits are, on what is, and what is not, allowed to

>>>> be

>>>> wrapped, however. I expect it's loosely defined in some spec

>>>> somewhere.

>>>> :-)

>>>>

>>>

>>> It's a Microsoft system. 'AVI' stands for 'Audio Video Interleave' and

>>> was

>>> so called because the same file contained the audio and video

>>> interleaved

>>> together. Although this doesn't sound like anything spectacular today,

>>> previously the audio was stored in a different file to the video which

>>> would give the early hard drive mechanisms a thorough workout.

>>

>> This must have been quite awhile ago. Like back in the late 1980's -

>> early 1990's (just guessing).

>>

>> One advantage of that is that it's easy to clean up the audio (audio

>> restoration), if needbe; and once you've done that, it's done, and no

>> remultiplexing of the audio track with the video is required. (Not much

>> of

>> a practical advantage, though).

>>

>> Back at that point in time, I think audio was only in the WAV format

>> (can't

>> recall for certain though). I'm guessing the compressed formats for

>> audio

>> (i.e. music) weren't around back then, but I can't recall for sure, now.

>> IIRC, they probably came in around the 1990's.

>>

>>> Apple achieved

>>> something similar with their own (but otherwise incompatible) .MOV

>>> format.

>>

>> And today we also have Microsoft's WMV format, which I think includes the

>> audio.

>>

>> So let's summarize (correct me if I'm mistaken):

>> For audio and video together, we have .AVI, .MOV, MPG, and .WMV formats

>> (for a PC).

>>

>>> As you note .AVI can use just about any codec you care to dream up or

>>> even

>>> just raw video (making it the video equivalent of a .WAV file).

>>>

>>> Oddly, high definition has in some ways taken a leap backwards because

>>> many

>>> editing systems store the HD video in .M2V files with the audio being

>>> held

>>> in an accompanying .AVI file (.AVI doesn't have to have video or indeed

>>> audio). HD Camcorders use the highly compressed .MTS* format which can

>>> also

>>> carry surround sound in one of the recognised formats (usually Dolby

>>> Digital

>>> 5.1).

>>>

>>> *Usually transcoded into the similar .M2TS format at the editing stage,

>>> which Blu-ray players understand.

>>>

>>>> Brian A. wrote:

>>>>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video

>>>>>>>>> captures

>>>>>>>>> of it

>>>>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are

>>>>>>>>> each

>>>>>>>>> approx 8 MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be

>>>>>>>>> at:

>>>>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by

>>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>> PC,

>>>>>>>> so I am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but

>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>> doesn't matter as I couldn't load the codec if I did.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> view.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be

>>>>>> encoded

>>>>>> in a

>>>>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so

>>>>>> large

>>>>>> variety of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately,

>>>>>> yours

>>>>>> is one that I can't read.

>>>>>

>>>>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in

>>>>> both

>>>>> Win

>>>>> MP 10 and 11 for me.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }

>>>>> Conflicts start where information lacks.

>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/

>>>>>

>>>>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

>>>>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

>

>

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Taskbar won't move

 

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:e$MUD1ofIHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> AVI is a "wrapper". (in a sense, something like zip, except its for AV

>>> apps).

>>>

>>> Who knows what the limits are, on what is, and what is not, allowed to

>>> be

>>> wrapped, however. I expect it's loosely defined in some spec

>>> somewhere.

>>> :-)

>>>

>>

>> It's a Microsoft system. 'AVI' stands for 'Audio Video Interleave' and

>> was

>> so called because the same file contained the audio and video interleaved

>> together. Although this doesn't sound like anything spectacular today,

>> previously the audio was stored in a different file to the video which

>> would

>> give the early hard drive mechanisms a thorough workout.

>

> This must have been quite awhile ago. Like back in the late 1980's -

> early 1990's (just guessing).

>

 

Yup, around this time.

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Taskbar won't move

 

 

"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message

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> Should have included the link although it's the same as before, so here

> it is:

> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm

>

 

As I noted previously, different configurations seem to behave differently.

However, I believe you may have dragged it on the space surrounding that

arrow rather than on space to the right of the quick launch icons which

doesn't work on every machine I've tried.

[Guest Brian A.]

Re: Taskbar won't move

 

"M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

news:47d789ba$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...

>

> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message

> news:%23F7eqDBhIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Should have included the link although it's the same as before, so here it is:

>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm

>>

>

> As I noted previously, different configurations seem to behave differently.

> However, I believe you may have dragged it on the space surrounding that arrow

> rather than on space to the right of the quick launch icons which doesn't work on

> every machine I've tried.

>

>

>

 

I haven't had any problems moving it on any machine, I'm not saying it won't happen

on some, ones I've tried it on have no problem with it.

I've added another one that doesn't have the chevron (double arrow) where it can be

moved from between the QL icons and the divider bar. Unfortunately it doubled in

size to the last, 6.9 MB.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm

 

If you've noticed, the vids were captured on machines using Classic View. Does it

not work in CV and/or the default XP eye candy view? AFAIK that's the only

configurations I'm aware of unless you mean the placement of QL on the Taskbar with

or without other toolbars added. I'm curious about it and need to check other

machines w/hopes of finding one that fails to work.

 

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Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }

Conflicts start where information lacks.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/

 

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

[Guest Brian A.]

Re: Taskbar won't move

 

"M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

news:47d789ba$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...

>

> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message

> news:%23F7eqDBhIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Should have included the link although it's the same as before, so here it is:

>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm

>>

>

> As I noted previously, different configurations seem to behave differently.

> However, I believe you may have dragged it on the space surrounding that arrow

> rather than on space to the right of the quick launch icons which doesn't work on

> every machine I've tried.

>

>

>

 

The new file is down to 3.7 MB from the 6.9 MB.

 

--

 

 

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }

Conflicts start where information lacks.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/

 

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375