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I have been struggling to stabilize my Vista spending a lot of money not

only on the Vista OS but also to upgrade to Dual Processor (for the required

speed), 2 GB memory and change of graphics, video and sound cards to make

them compatible with Vista. But all that has failed and I can neither

continue my work of capturing audio and video music nor can I get my e-mail,

thanks to Windows Mail, the e-mail application in Vista.

 

So I am seriously considering reverting to Vista and from the comments I

have read on MS KB and various forums, this should be possible if

1) I have a Windows.old file saved on the system while upgrading to Vista or

2) I have the official Windows XP CD to prove that I am a genuine erstwhile

customer of XP

 

Since most of my data files are on a separate hard drive, I plan to copy all

data and settings I have been using in MS Office and other applications on

the data drive before asking Windows to install XP over Vista as an upgrade,

using a new official XP CD (if one is available for reverting to XP from

Vista.

 

Is there any correspondent of this Newsgroup who has reverted to XP from

Vista who could advise me if this procedure would work or are there any

flaws still in it? If nothing is going to work, I shall have to resort to

reformatting and making a fresh XP install.

 

P. Jayant

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Guest Malke

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Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

p.jayant wrote:

 

(snippage)

 

Next time please crosspost instead of multiposting.

> Is there any correspondent of this Newsgroup who has reverted to XP from

> Vista who could advise me if this procedure would work or are there any

> flaws still in it? If nothing is going to work, I shall have to resort to

> reformatting and making a fresh XP install.

 

General information about replacing Vista with XP:

 

A. On an OEM (HP, Sony, etc.) computer:

 

1. Go to the OEM's website and look for XP drivers for your specific model

computer. If there are no XP drivers, then you can't install XP. End of

story. If there are drivers, download them and store on a CD-R or USB

thumbdrive; you'll need them after you install XP.

 

2. Check with the OEM - either from their tech support website or by calling

them - to see if you will void your warranty if you do this. If you will

void the warranty, you make the decision.

 

3. If the OEM does support XP on the machine, call them and see if you can

have downgrade rights and have them send you an XP restore disk. This will

be far the easiest and best way of getting XP on the machine.

 

4. If XP is supported on the machine but the OEM doesn't have an XP restore

disk for you, understand that you'll need to purchase a retail copy of XP

from your favorite online or brick/mortar store.

 

5. Also understand that you will need to do a clean install of XP so if you

have any data you want, back it up first.

 

6. If none of the above is applicable to you because you can't run XP on

that machine (see Item #1 above), return the computer and purchase one

running XP instead.

 

B. On a generic/home-built computer (from non-OEM company) - You will need

drivers for all your hardware. See the second link below for more details:

 

http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html - Clean Install How-To

http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Reinstalling_Windows - What

you will need on-hand

 

Malke

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Guest throwitout

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Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

 

 

Malke wrote:

> p.jayant wrote:

>

> (snippage)

>

> Next time please crosspost instead of multiposting.

>

> > Is there any correspondent of this Newsgroup who has reverted to XP from

> > Vista who could advise me if this procedure would work or are there any

> > flaws still in it? If nothing is going to work, I shall have to resort to

> > reformatting and making a fresh XP install.

 

 

> General information about replacing Vista with XP:

>

> A. On an OEM (HP, Sony, etc.) computer:

>

> 1. Go to the OEM's website and look for XP drivers for your specific model

> computer. If there are no XP drivers, then you can't install XP. End of

> story.

 

Do you normally give up that easily? In my case HP did not list XP

drivers for my model. Looking up an older model with the same

components yielded drivers galore. Also for most of the components

you'd probably be able to get drivers from the component manufacturer

(chipset manufacturer, video, etc)

> 2. Check with the OEM - either from their tech support website or by calling

> them - to see if you will void your warranty if you do this. If you will

> void the warranty, you make the decision.

 

You'll void software warranties but AFAIK they can't void your entire

coverage. But I'd recommend generating Vista restore disks (if the

machine didn't come with any) so you can easily return to Vista.

> 4. If XP is supported on the machine but the OEM doesn't have an XP restore

> disk for you, understand that you'll need to purchase a retail copy of XP

> from your favorite online or brick/mortar store.

 

Business and Ultimate OEM editions have downgrade rights to XP if you

already own a legitimate standalone copy of XP.

Guest Timothy Daniels

Guest Timothy Daniels

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Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

"throwitout" wrote about Vista:

> Business and Ultimate OEM editions have downgrade rights

> to XP if you already own a legitimate standalone copy of XP.

 

What are "downgrade rights"? What do they do for you

and how do they do it? Do downgrade rights let you re-cactivate

XP without hassle? If you haven't activated your XP license in

more than 4 months, "downgrade rights" would seem to be

superfluous.

 

*TimDaniels*

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

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Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

Downgrade rights are for OEM business editions of Windows. Consumer

editions of Windows do not qualify. Vista Business and Ultimate qualify,

but not Vista Home Basic or Vista Home Premium. Here is an explanation of

downgrade rights. The explanation is for OEM's wanting to offer downgrade

rights. This is not an end-user webpage.

http://download.microsoft.com/download/2/8/6/2860872a-35dc-4a10-8617-3927aacd189a/downgradeOEMversion-020707.pdf

 

The copy of XP Pro that you install must not be an OEM copy that has been

used on another computer. If you own a retail copy of XP Pro x86, XP Pro

x64, or XP Tablet Edition that is not in use on another computer, you may

install it. If not, you must purchase one.

 

The purchase may be an OEM (system builder) cd but I recommend against that.

Once you install an OEM copy of XP Pro x86 or XP Tablet Edition you will not

be able to use it on a different computer even if you later decide to

reinstall Vista again. I suggest you buy an XP Pro x86 full edition.

 

XP Pro x64 has different terms and conditons of use and can be transferred

should you reinstall Vista. XP Pro x64 has transfer rights even though it

is only available in a system builder package.

 

After installation of XP you must call the activation center and tell the

agent that you are downgrading from Vista Business or Ultimate to XP. The

agent will ask you questions about the copy of XP Pro you are using, obtain

the product key from you and the product key for the copy of Vista you are

downgrading and issue you a forty-character PID for XP.

 

You are entitled to reinstall the OEM copy of Vista at a later date and

activate.

 

Remember, if a Vista Home edition came preinstalled on your computer you do

not have downgrade rights. Also, remember that you may not downgrade to XP

Home or Windows 2000, Win9x/ME, etc.

 

"Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

news:OgU85W9eIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> "throwitout" wrote about Vista:

>> Business and Ultimate OEM editions have downgrade rights

>> to XP if you already own a legitimate standalone copy of XP.

>

> What are "downgrade rights"? What do they do for you

> and how do they do it? Do downgrade rights let you re-cactivate

> XP without hassle? If you haven't activated your XP license in

> more than 4 months, "downgrade rights" would seem to be

> superfluous.

>

> *TimDaniels*

>

Guest Timothy Daniels

Guest Timothy Daniels

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Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

Regarding this paragraph:

 

"The purchase may be an OEM (system builder) cd but I

recommend against that. Once you install an OEM copy

of XP Pro x86 or XP Tablet Edition you will not be able

to use it on a different computer even if you later decide to

reinstall Vista again. I suggest you buy an XP Pro x86 full

edition."

 

So you guy a full or OEM edition of XP Pro and install it.

Now you're running XP Pro. What did "downgrade rights"

gain for you?

Then you decide to wipe out XP Pro and so you reinstall

Vista. What did "downgrade rights" gain for you?

 

Or is this the essence of "downgrade rights":

 

"You are entitled to reinstall the OEM copy of Vista at a

later date and activate."

 

If that is so, why did Dell give me an installation DVD along

with the Vista Business OS pre-installed on my laptop? Would

MS not let me reinstall it if my hard drive failed?

 

*TimDaniels*

 

 

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> Downgrade rights are for OEM business editions of Windows.

> Consumer editions of Windows do not qualify. Vista Business

> and Ultimate qualify, but not Vista Home Basic or Vista Home

> Premium. Here is an explanation of downgrade rights. The

> explanation is for OEM's wanting to offer downgrade rights.

> This is not an end-user webpage.

> http://download.microsoft.com/download/2/8/6/2860872a-35dc-4a10-8617-3927aacd189a/downgradeOEMversion-020707.pdf

>

> The copy of XP Pro that you install must not be an OEM copy

> that has been used on another computer. If you own a retail

> copy of XP Pro x86, XP Pro x64, or XP Tablet Edition that is

> not in use on another computer, you may install it. If not, you

> must purchase one.

>

> The purchase may be an OEM (system builder) cd but I

> recommend against that. Once you install an OEM copy of

> XP Pro x86 or XP Tablet Edition you will not be able to use

> it on a different computer even if you later decide to reinstall

> Vista again. I suggest you buy an XP Pro x86 full edition.

>

> XP Pro x64 has different terms and conditons of use and can

> be transferred should you reinstall Vista. XP Pro x64 has transfer

> rights even though it is only available in a system builder package.

>

> After installation of XP you must call the activation center and

> tell the agent that you are downgrading from Vista Business or

> Ultimate to XP. The agent will ask you questions about the copy

> of XP Pro you are using, obtain the product key from you and

> the product key for the copy of Vista you are downgrading and

> issue you a forty-character PID for XP.

>

> You are entitled to reinstall the OEM copy of Vista at a later date

> and activate.

>

> Remember, if a Vista Home edition came preinstalled on your

> computer you do not have downgrade rights. Also, remember

> that you may not downgrade to XP Home or Windows 2000,

> Win9x/ME, etc.

>

> "Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

> news:OgU85W9eIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> "throwitout" wrote about Vista:

>>> Business and Ultimate OEM editions have downgrade rights

>>> to XP if you already own a legitimate standalone copy of XP.

>>

>> What are "downgrade rights"? What do they do for you

>> and how do they do it? Do downgrade rights let you re-cactivate

>> XP without hassle? If you haven't activated your XP license in

>> more than 4 months, "downgrade rights" would seem to be

>> superfluous.

>>

>> *TimDaniels*

>>

>

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

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Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

There is an issue with an OEM license once you install a different OS on the

box. You want to preserve the right to use the Vista OEM license again if

you reinstall Vista.

 

You are entitled to reinstall the Dell provided OS if the hard drive failed,

of course. But that is not the same thing as installing another operating

system and then returning to the Dell-provided one. The software result is

the same, but downgrade rights have nothing to do with software. Downgrade

rights have to do with licensing.

 

You should talk to Dell about whether exercising downgrade rights has an

impact on Dell support for your computer and the warranty. It may well be

that they can provide support in a downgrade scenario or even provide a cd.

 

Keep in mind that if Vista came preinstalled, you need to make sure there

are Dell drivers for XP as well as Vista.

 

"Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

news:eAXoV6%23eIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Regarding this paragraph:

>

> "The purchase may be an OEM (system builder) cd but I

> recommend against that. Once you install an OEM copy

> of XP Pro x86 or XP Tablet Edition you will not be able

> to use it on a different computer even if you later decide to

> reinstall Vista again. I suggest you buy an XP Pro x86 full

> edition."

>

> So you guy a full or OEM edition of XP Pro and install it.

> Now you're running XP Pro. What did "downgrade rights"

> gain for you?

> Then you decide to wipe out XP Pro and so you reinstall

> Vista. What did "downgrade rights" gain for you?

>

> Or is this the essence of "downgrade rights":

>

> "You are entitled to reinstall the OEM copy of Vista at a

> later date and activate."

>

> If that is so, why did Dell give me an installation DVD along

> with the Vista Business OS pre-installed on my laptop? Would

> MS not let me reinstall it if my hard drive failed?

>

> *TimDaniels*

>

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>> Downgrade rights are for OEM business editions of Windows.

>> Consumer editions of Windows do not qualify. Vista Business

>> and Ultimate qualify, but not Vista Home Basic or Vista Home

>> Premium. Here is an explanation of downgrade rights. The

>> explanation is for OEM's wanting to offer downgrade rights.

>> This is not an end-user webpage.

>> http://download.microsoft.com/download/2/8/6/2860872a-35dc-4a10-8617-3927aacd189a/downgradeOEMversion-020707.pdf

>>

>> The copy of XP Pro that you install must not be an OEM copy

>> that has been used on another computer. If you own a retail

>> copy of XP Pro x86, XP Pro x64, or XP Tablet Edition that is

>> not in use on another computer, you may install it. If not, you

>> must purchase one.

>>

>> The purchase may be an OEM (system builder) cd but I

>> recommend against that. Once you install an OEM copy of

>> XP Pro x86 or XP Tablet Edition you will not be able to use

>> it on a different computer even if you later decide to reinstall

>> Vista again. I suggest you buy an XP Pro x86 full edition.

>>

>> XP Pro x64 has different terms and conditons of use and can

>> be transferred should you reinstall Vista. XP Pro x64 has transfer

>> rights even though it is only available in a system builder package.

>>

>> After installation of XP you must call the activation center and

>> tell the agent that you are downgrading from Vista Business or

>> Ultimate to XP. The agent will ask you questions about the copy

>> of XP Pro you are using, obtain the product key from you and

>> the product key for the copy of Vista you are downgrading and

>> issue you a forty-character PID for XP.

>>

>> You are entitled to reinstall the OEM copy of Vista at a later date

>> and activate.

>>

>> Remember, if a Vista Home edition came preinstalled on your

>> computer you do not have downgrade rights. Also, remember

>> that you may not downgrade to XP Home or Windows 2000,

>> Win9x/ME, etc.

>>

>> "Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message

>> news:OgU85W9eIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> "throwitout" wrote about Vista:

>>>> Business and Ultimate OEM editions have downgrade rights

>>>> to XP if you already own a legitimate standalone copy of XP.

>>>

>>> What are "downgrade rights"? What do they do for you

>>> and how do they do it? Do downgrade rights let you re-cactivate

>>> XP without hassle? If you haven't activated your XP license in

>>> more than 4 months, "downgrade rights" would seem to be

>>> superfluous.

>>>

>>> *TimDaniels*

>>>

>>

>

>

Guest throwitout

Guest throwitout

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Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

On Mar 1, 6:51 pm, "Timothy Daniels" <NoS...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> > Downgrade rights are for OEM business editions of Windows.

> > Consumer editions of Windows do not qualify. Vista Business

> > and Ultimate qualify, but not Vista Home Basic or Vista Home

> > Premium. Here is an explanation of downgrade rights. The

> > explanation is for OEM's wanting to offer downgrade rights.

> > This is not an end-user webpage.

> >http://download.microsoft.com/download/2/8/6/2860872a-35dc-4a10-8617-...

>

> > The copy of XP Pro that you install must not be an OEM copy

> > that has been used on another computer. If you own a retail

> > copy of XP Pro x86, XP Pro x64, or XP Tablet Edition that is

> > not in use on another computer, you may install it. If not, you

> > must purchase one.

>

> > The purchase may be an OEM (system builder) cd but I

> > recommend against that. Once you install an OEM copy of

> > XP Pro x86 or XP Tablet Edition you will not be able to use

> > it on a different computer even if you later decide to reinstall

> > Vista again. I suggest you buy an XP Pro x86 full edition.

>

> > XP Pro x64 has different terms and conditons of use and can

> > be transferred should you reinstall Vista. XP Pro x64 has transfer

> > rights even though it is only available in a system builder package.

>

> > After installation of XP you must call the activation center and

> > tell the agent that you are downgrading from Vista Business or

> > Ultimate to XP. The agent will ask you questions about the copy

> > of XP Pro you are using, obtain the product key from you and

> > the product key for the copy of Vista you are downgrading and

> > issue you a forty-character PID for XP.

>

> > You are entitled to reinstall the OEM copy of Vista at a later date

> > and activate.

>

> > Remember, if a Vista Home edition came preinstalled on your

> > computer you do not have downgrade rights. Also, remember

> > that you may not downgrade to XP Home or Windows 2000,

> > Win9x/ME, etc.

> Regarding this paragraph:

>

> "The purchase may be an OEM (system builder) cd but I

> recommend against that. Once you install an OEM copy

> of XP Pro x86 or XP Tablet Edition you will not be able

> to use it on a different computer even if you later decide to

> reinstall Vista again. I suggest you buy an XP Pro x86 full

> edition."

>

> So you guy a full or OEM edition of XP Pro and install it.

> Now you're running XP Pro. What did "downgrade rights"

> gain for you?

> Then you decide to wipe out XP Pro and so you reinstall

> Vista. What did "downgrade rights" gain for you?

>

> Or is this the essence of "downgrade rights":

>

> "You are entitled to reinstall the OEM copy of Vista at a

> later date and activate."

>

> If that is so, why did Dell give me an installation DVD along

> with the Vista Business OS pre-installed on my laptop? Would

> MS not let me reinstall it if my hard drive failed?

>

> *TimDaniels*

 

He completely mangled how downgrade rights work.

 

Say you currently have PC A loaded with XP Pro. You buy PC B preloaded

with Vista Buisness or Ultimate. You are allowed to use the XP cd from

PC A to load XP on PC B so that you now have XP loaded on two

machines. When you install XP on PC B you will have to call to

activate if XP was installed on PC A within 120 days. They will verify

that you have an eligible copy of Vista (business or Ultimate) and a

legitimate copy of XP. You can at any moment without hassle upgrade to

the copy of Vista that came with the computer, since Microsoft would

prefer that you use their new OS. You can't use the downgrade rights

to dual boot. If you return to Vista you can't transfer the downgrade

rights to a third machine, the downgrade rights only apply to the

computer that came with the OEM license of Vista.

 

You must be using a legitimate version of XP Pro media.

Such would include:

-Volume License customers (who won't have to call to activate anyways)

-Retail copy

-OEM Copy

 

The main problem is if the XP machine has an OEM copy of XP but only

includes "recover" disks and not an actual XP CD you're basically

screwed, since you won't be able to use the recover disk on other

hardware. Even though you have a product key, if you "obtain" a Pro CD

it isn't considered legitimate.

 

Yes you could just wait 120 days between activations installing the

same copy on two computers, but it wouldn't be considered legitimate,

and in the case of businesses, they usually like to keep software

licenses legitimate.

Guest Timothy Daniels

Guest Timothy Daniels

Posted
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Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

 

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> There is an issue with an OEM license once you install a different

> OS on the box. You want to preserve the right to use the Vista

> OEM license again if you reinstall Vista.

>

> You are entitled to reinstall the Dell provided OS if the hard drive

> failed, of course. But that is not the same thing as installing another

> operating system and then returning to the Dell-provided one. The

> software result is the same, but downgrade rights have nothing to

> do with software. Downgrade rights have to do with licensing.

>

> You should talk to Dell about whether exercising downgrade

> rights has an impact on Dell support for your computer and the

> warranty. It may well be that they can provide support in a

> downgrade scenario or even provide a cd.

 

Thanks for the clarification. I can see now that the problem is

not technical nor practical - it's merely about licensing. IOW,

most users can ignore it. It's good to know MS's view on this,

though, and you've been patient in explaining it. Thanks again.

 

*TimDaniels*

Guest Timothy Daniels

Guest Timothy Daniels

Posted
Posted

Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

"throwitout" wrote:

> Say you currently have PC A loaded with XP Pro. You buy

> PC B preloaded with Vista Buisness or Ultimate. You are

> allowed to use the XP cd from PC A to load XP on PC B

> so that you now have XP loaded on two machines...

 

OK, that seems to be the essence of "downgrade rights" -

to allow the 2nd activation and use of XP.

Thanks.

 

*TimDaniels*

Guest p.jayant

Guest p.jayant

Posted
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Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

Thanks for all the comments posted by various correspondents to my query.

Even though they are highly informative, some of them do not apply to my

situation which is as follows.

 

 

 

My computer has been built, modified and upgraded to meet the requirements

of newer applications, several times over the last 7 to 8 years of XP and

recently for meeting the requirements of Vista. But I still have all the

installation CDs of the original Windows XP and various devices installed on

the computer along with the dates and numbers of Activation and

Registration.

 

 

 

I have two H Ds on the computer: the C drive has all the programs and the O

S and the D drive has all the documents from M S Office applications and

graphic, animation, video and music files which open with the applications

on the C Drive. I have stored all the Device Drivers downloaded from various

Internet sites for upgrading in a separate Folder and I am hoping that many

of them can be used during the installation of new XP. I can also save all

the Documents and Settings for various applications on the D Drive, if it is

likely to help. I am hoping that the new XP will recognize the D drive and

install it as a secondary disk, just like the CD and DVD Read/Write drives

and thus I will be able to use the data.

 

 

 

The 64(?) dollar question is:

 

Do I have to buy a new copy of XP for restoring XP? What do I do with the

new or the old CD? Just put it in the CD drive and say what: Repair? Or can

I buy a Restore XP CD?

 

At what stage do I make the confession that I have sinned by going after

Vista and want to get back to XP? At what stage do I get connected to

Microsoft and answer their queries about my previous XP installation on the

same computer?

 

 

 

Comments from Mr. Malke and other knowledgeable correspondents will inspire

some confidence in this adventure.

 

 

 

P. Jayant

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
Posted

Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

Registration doesn't matter. You register yourself as a user. That's all.

You register yourself but activate the software. MS stopped connecting

registration data with activation data several years ago due to some privacy

rules.

 

Use the original XP cd, OEM or retail, whichever it is. It sounds like it

may be an original XP release (XP Gold) from 2002. If so, I suggest that

you update it to XP SP2 by making a slipstreamed cd using the original cd

and the SP2 package for IT Professionals. I use a program called nLite to

make slipstreamed cd's. You can then use the new cd to install or repair XP

SP2 whenever you want.

 

nLite: http://www.nliteos.com/guide/

SP2:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=049C9DBE-3B8E-4F30-8245-9E368D3CDB5A&displaylang=en

 

When you activate it is likely that you can just do it over the internet.

In the event activation is not accepted over the internet, use the phone

number on the activation screen (keep the screen open). As long as the

product key is only in use on one computer all should go fine. Phone

activation only takes a few minutes. If it has been more than a few months

since the last time your product key was activated or reactivated the

internet activation should just work.

 

You can install from the old XP cd but you will spend quite a while updating

on Windows Update (it can be a day-long job starting with XP Gold). It will

be faster to make the slipstreamed cd and just use that to reinstall. That

way most of the updates will already be installed. There will still be a

long list of updates that have come out since SP2 released, but not nearly

as many as nearly six years worth. Your product key will work with the

slipstreamed cd just fine.

 

Since you will need an XP SP2 cd for repairing the installation should you

ever need to do that, having a cd that matches the service pack level on the

hard drive is pretty important anyway.

 

If I am reading you wrong and what you have are actually restore cd's then

you would have to use them and update accordingly.

 

"p.jayant" <p_jayant@dataone.in> wrote in message

news:72398474-A25B-4BD7-9208-92B05C0107FC@microsoft.com...

> Thanks for all the comments posted by various correspondents to my query.

> Even though they are highly informative, some of them do not apply to my

> situation which is as follows.

>

>

>

> My computer has been built, modified and upgraded to meet the requirements

> of newer applications, several times over the last 7 to 8 years of XP and

> recently for meeting the requirements of Vista. But I still have all the

> installation CDs of the original Windows XP and various devices installed

> on the computer along with the dates and numbers of Activation and

> Registration.

>

>

>

> I have two H Ds on the computer: the C drive has all the programs and the

> O S and the D drive has all the documents from M S Office applications and

> graphic, animation, video and music files which open with the applications

> on the C Drive. I have stored all the Device Drivers downloaded from

> various Internet sites for upgrading in a separate Folder and I am hoping

> that many of them can be used during the installation of new XP. I can

> also save all the Documents and Settings for various applications on the D

> Drive, if it is likely to help. I am hoping that the new XP will recognize

> the D drive and install it as a secondary disk, just like the CD and DVD

> Read/Write drives and thus I will be able to use the data.

>

>

>

> The 64(?) dollar question is:

>

> Do I have to buy a new copy of XP for restoring XP? What do I do with the

> new or the old CD? Just put it in the CD drive and say what: Repair? Or

> can I buy a Restore XP CD?

>

> At what stage do I make the confession that I have sinned by going after

> Vista and want to get back to XP? At what stage do I get connected to

> Microsoft and answer their queries about my previous XP installation on

> the same computer?

>

>

>

> Comments from Mr. Malke and other knowledgeable correspondents will

> inspire some confidence in this adventure.

>

>

>

> P. Jayant

>

Guest throwitout

Guest throwitout

Posted
Posted

Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

On Mar 2, 1:00 am, "p.jayant" <p_jay...@dataone.in> wrote:

> Thanks for all the comments posted by various correspondents to my query.

> Even though they are highly informative, some of them do not apply to my

> situation which is as follows.

>

> My computer has been built, modified and upgraded to meet the requirements

> of newer applications, several times over the last 7 to 8 years of XP and

> recently for meeting the requirements of Vista. But I still have all the

> installation CDs of the original Windows XP and various devices installed on

> the computer along with the dates and numbers of Activation and

> Registration.

>

> I have two H Ds on the computer: the C drive has all the programs and the O

> S and the D drive has all the documents from M S Office applications and

> graphic, animation, video and music files which open with the applications

> on the C Drive. I have stored all the Device Drivers downloaded from various

> Internet sites for upgrading in a separate Folder and I am hoping that many

> of them can be used during the installation of new XP. I can also save all

> the Documents and Settings for various applications on the D Drive, if it is

> likely to help. I am hoping that the new XP will recognize the D drive and

> install it as a secondary disk, just like the CD and DVD Read/Write drives

> and thus I will be able to use the data.

>

> The 64(?) dollar question is:

>

> Do I have to buy a new copy of XP for restoring XP? What do I do with the

> new or the old CD? Just put it in the CD drive and say what: Repair? Or can

> I buy a Restore XP CD?

>

> At what stage do I make the confession that I have sinned by going after

> Vista and want to get back to XP? At what stage do I get connected to

> Microsoft and answer their queries about my previous XP installation on the

> same computer?

>

> Comments from Mr. Malke and other knowledgeable correspondents will inspire

> some confidence in this adventure.

>

> P. Jayant

 

Colin gave some good advice about using nLite to put in SP2. Though

last I checked there's still nearly 100 updates since SP2. It will be

really nice once SP3 gets fully released.

 

There's rumours that using an upgrade version of Vista will invalidate

your XP key, but I've yet to find any evidence either supporting it or

denying it. So might as well give it a shot. Here's a page with some

information on why people are worried about it, and how to do a clean

install of Vista using without having to install XP.

 

http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-invalidates-your-xp-key/

 

To return to XP there is no downgrade program or procedure and you

must install XP from scratch.

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
Posted

Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

I don't believe the rumor either. Maybe down the line sometime.

 

"throwitout" <throwitout@dodgeit.com> wrote in message

news:28a7dd0e-f741-47e4-9761-8deedf914800@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Mar 2, 1:00 am, "p.jayant" <p_jay...@dataone.in> wrote:

>> Thanks for all the comments posted by various correspondents to my query.

>> Even though they are highly informative, some of them do not apply to my

>> situation which is as follows.

>>

>> My computer has been built, modified and upgraded to meet the

>> requirements

>> of newer applications, several times over the last 7 to 8 years of XP and

>> recently for meeting the requirements of Vista. But I still have all the

>> installation CDs of the original Windows XP and various devices installed

>> on

>> the computer along with the dates and numbers of Activation and

>> Registration.

>>

>> I have two H Ds on the computer: the C drive has all the programs and the

>> O

>> S and the D drive has all the documents from M S Office applications and

>> graphic, animation, video and music files which open with the

>> applications

>> on the C Drive. I have stored all the Device Drivers downloaded from

>> various

>> Internet sites for upgrading in a separate Folder and I am hoping that

>> many

>> of them can be used during the installation of new XP. I can also save

>> all

>> the Documents and Settings for various applications on the D Drive, if it

>> is

>> likely to help. I am hoping that the new XP will recognize the D drive

>> and

>> install it as a secondary disk, just like the CD and DVD Read/Write

>> drives

>> and thus I will be able to use the data.

>>

>> The 64(?) dollar question is:

>>

>> Do I have to buy a new copy of XP for restoring XP? What do I do with the

>> new or the old CD? Just put it in the CD drive and say what: Repair? Or

>> can

>> I buy a Restore XP CD?

>>

>> At what stage do I make the confession that I have sinned by going after

>> Vista and want to get back to XP? At what stage do I get connected to

>> Microsoft and answer their queries about my previous XP installation on

>> the

>> same computer?

>>

>> Comments from Mr. Malke and other knowledgeable correspondents will

>> inspire

>> some confidence in this adventure.

>>

>> P. Jayant

>

> Colin gave some good advice about using nLite to put in SP2. Though

> last I checked there's still nearly 100 updates since SP2. It will be

> really nice once SP3 gets fully released.

>

> There's rumours that using an upgrade version of Vista will invalidate

> your XP key, but I've yet to find any evidence either supporting it or

> denying it. So might as well give it a shot. Here's a page with some

> information on why people are worried about it, and how to do a clean

> install of Vista using without having to install XP.

>

> http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-invalidates-your-xp-key/

>

> To return to XP there is no downgrade program or procedure and you

> must install XP from scratch.

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
Posted

Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

Let me elaborate on the rumor that an upgrade edition of Vista invalidates

the XP license already installed on the machine.

 

Let's say that you have two drives, 1 and 2 and XP is installed on 1. You

are using a Vista upgrade edition. You start Vista Setup from the XP

desktop, enter your Vista pk, etc. When you reach the screen offering you

the volumes for installation you can choose either 1 or 2 because both are

offered. You can do an upgrade or custom install on 1 but only a custom

install on 2. You choose 2. Vista installs on 2 setting up a dual boot

system.

 

Has it invalidated the XP license? MS can't really do that. Here's one

reason why.

 

You are not required to tie the XP license that is installed on drive 1 to

the Vista upgrade edition license on drive 2. You can instead assign a

license for a different copy of Windows 2000, XP, or Vista if you want. The

only requirement is that it is not in use on any computer. Remember that

the Vista upgrade edition EULA only requires you to own a license to

another, qualifying, copy of Windows that is not installed on another

computer. It never states that the qualifying license must be the one

installed on the computer being upgraded. To quote:

 

"13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the

software that is eligible

for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the

agreement for the software

you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you

upgraded from."

 

So I don't see how Microsoft can invalidate the product key for a copy of XP

that may not even be the one tied to the Vista upgrade edition license. It

is up to the user which license is going to be superceded by the upgrade

edition license and there is no way for the software to determine that

unless Setup asked for the superceded product key (which it never does).

 

 

"throwitout" <throwitout@dodgeit.com> wrote in message

news:28a7dd0e-f741-47e4-9761-8deedf914800@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Mar 2, 1:00 am, "p.jayant" <p_jay...@dataone.in> wrote:

>> Thanks for all the comments posted by various correspondents to my query.

>> Even though they are highly informative, some of them do not apply to my

>> situation which is as follows.

>>

>> My computer has been built, modified and upgraded to meet the

>> requirements

>> of newer applications, several times over the last 7 to 8 years of XP and

>> recently for meeting the requirements of Vista. But I still have all the

>> installation CDs of the original Windows XP and various devices installed

>> on

>> the computer along with the dates and numbers of Activation and

>> Registration.

>>

>> I have two H Ds on the computer: the C drive has all the programs and the

>> O

>> S and the D drive has all the documents from M S Office applications and

>> graphic, animation, video and music files which open with the

>> applications

>> on the C Drive. I have stored all the Device Drivers downloaded from

>> various

>> Internet sites for upgrading in a separate Folder and I am hoping that

>> many

>> of them can be used during the installation of new XP. I can also save

>> all

>> the Documents and Settings for various applications on the D Drive, if it

>> is

>> likely to help. I am hoping that the new XP will recognize the D drive

>> and

>> install it as a secondary disk, just like the CD and DVD Read/Write

>> drives

>> and thus I will be able to use the data.

>>

>> The 64(?) dollar question is:

>>

>> Do I have to buy a new copy of XP for restoring XP? What do I do with the

>> new or the old CD? Just put it in the CD drive and say what: Repair? Or

>> can

>> I buy a Restore XP CD?

>>

>> At what stage do I make the confession that I have sinned by going after

>> Vista and want to get back to XP? At what stage do I get connected to

>> Microsoft and answer their queries about my previous XP installation on

>> the

>> same computer?

>>

>> Comments from Mr. Malke and other knowledgeable correspondents will

>> inspire

>> some confidence in this adventure.

>>

>> P. Jayant

>

> Colin gave some good advice about using nLite to put in SP2. Though

> last I checked there's still nearly 100 updates since SP2. It will be

> really nice once SP3 gets fully released.

>

> There's rumours that using an upgrade version of Vista will invalidate

> your XP key, but I've yet to find any evidence either supporting it or

> denying it. So might as well give it a shot. Here's a page with some

> information on why people are worried about it, and how to do a clean

> install of Vista using without having to install XP.

>

> http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-invalidates-your-xp-key/

>

> To return to XP there is no downgrade program or procedure and you

> must install XP from scratch.

Guest Twayne

Guest Twayne

Posted
Posted

Re: Reverting to XP from Vista

 

> Malke wrote:

>> p.jayant wrote:

>>

>> (snippage)

>>

>> Next time please crosspost instead of multiposting.

>>

>>> Is there any correspondent of this Newsgroup who has reverted to XP

>>> from Vista who could advise me if this procedure would work or are

>>> there any flaws still in it? If nothing is going to work, I shall

>>> have to resort to reformatting and making a fresh XP install.

 

IFF the machine has ever run XP before, then it can be done. Just

re-install XP from the original CD.

If it came with Vista, then maybe not possible if it has the newest

chipset; it's ONLY Vista compatible; nothing older. Check it out.

>

>

>

>> General information about replacing Vista with XP:

>>

>> A. On an OEM (HP, Sony, etc.) computer:

>>

>> 1. Go to the OEM's website and look for XP drivers for your specific

>> model computer. If there are no XP drivers, then you can't install

>> XP. End of story.

>

> Do you normally give up that easily? In my case HP did not list XP

> drivers for my model. Looking up an older model with the same

> components yielded drivers galore. Also for most of the components

> you'd probably be able to get drivers from the component manufacturer

> (chipset manufacturer, video, etc)

 

If the computer has the Vista chipset (Vista Compatible), that's all she

wrote. It won't run anything older than Vista; period. YOu'll need

some special stuff to go back to XP. If the Vista machine doesn't/won't

run aero (Vista ready), then you have the old chipset and should be able

to get the drivers etc..

>

>> 2. Check with the OEM - either from their tech support website or by

>> calling them - to see if you will void your warranty if you do this.

>> If you will void the warranty, you make the decision.

>

> You'll void software warranties but AFAIK they can't void your entire

> coverage. But I'd recommend generating Vista restore disks (if the

> machine didn't come with any) so you can easily return to Vista.

>

>> 4. If XP is supported on the machine but the OEM doesn't have an XP

>> restore disk for you, understand that you'll need to purchase a

>> retail copy of XP from your favorite online or brick/mortar store.

>

> Business and Ultimate OEM editions have downgrade rights to XP if you

> already own a legitimate standalone copy of XP.

 

 

 

--

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Regards,

 

Twayne

 

Open Office isn't just for wimps anymore;

OOo is a GREAT MS Office replacement

http://www.openoffice.org

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