Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

March 4, 2008

I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again, there is no

HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

but can't get it installed.

Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

"Tee" <t@s.com> wrote in message news:gieps3di0l8eqguqg3g1rkhvtd73lp7cm4@4ax.com...

>I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again, there is no

> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>

> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

> but can't get it installed.

>

> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

Most likely because HP uses a customized OEM OS and their Key is only valid on with that version.

You may be able to buy a set of HP restore disk from http://www.restoredisk.com

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:18:38 -0700, "Richard in AZ" <me@mailinator.com>

wrote:

>

>"Tee" <t@s.com> wrote in message news:gieps3di0l8eqguqg3g1rkhvtd73lp7cm4@4ax.com...

>>I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

>> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

>> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

>> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again, there is no

>> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>>

>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>> but can't get it installed.

>>

>> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

>

>Most likely because HP uses a customized OEM OS and their Key is only valid on with that version.

>You may be able to buy a set of HP restore disk from http://www.restoredisk.com

>

I went to that link, it has lots of other links to other sites for

'system disks', 'rescue disks', etc., nothing I recognized as being an

HP restore disk. Do you know which link?

I hope you're mistaken, even though I can't question what you said.

So, every hardware vendor has a customized OS? If that's the case, how

could a brand new, shrink wrapped copy of XP work if the HW needs a

special customized OS? Like I said I was able to totally reinstall an

eMachines and it respected the key code.

Anyway, it just seems wrong that I would have to buy something when I

already own the license and can easily get the Microsoft media to

reinstall.

Thanks.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

"Tee" <t@s.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:18:38 -0700, "Richard in AZ" <me@mailinator.com>

> wrote:

>

>>

>>"Tee" <t@s.com> wrote in message

>>news:gieps3di0l8eqguqg3g1rkhvtd73lp7cm4@4ax.com...

>>>I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

>>> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

>>> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

>>> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again, there is no

>>> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>>>

>>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

>>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

>>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>>> but can't get it installed.

>>>

>>> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

>>

>>Most likely because HP uses a customized OEM OS and their Key is only

>>valid on with that version.

>>You may be able to buy a set of HP restore disk from http://www.restoredisk.com

>>

>

> I went to that link, it has lots of other links to other sites for

> 'system disks', 'rescue disks', etc., nothing I recognized as being an

> HP restore disk. Do you know which link?

>

> I hope you're mistaken, even though I can't question what you said.

> So, every hardware vendor has a customized OS? If that's the case, how

> could a brand new, shrink wrapped copy of XP work if the HW needs a

> special customized OS? Like I said I was able to totally reinstall an

> eMachines and it respected the key code.

>

> Anyway, it just seems wrong that I would have to buy something when I

> already own the license and can easily get the Microsoft media to

> reinstall.

>

> Thanks.

I think he left the s off. Try,

http://www.restoredisks.com/

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

Tee wrote:

> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again, there is no

> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>

> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

> but can't get it installed.

>

> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

If the HDD crash took away your Recovery partition, is it possible that

the drive is shot and you need to purchase/install a new one?

Who does the Retail disk/license belong to? If it belongs to you and if

that particular license is not being used on another PC, then you can

use it. But the key (which is OEM) on your COA sticker on the HP won't

work. You would need to use the key that came with the disk.

You said you tried using an OEM disk, too. This should work provided it

is a *generic* (i.e., not branded) OEM disk. And the key on your COA

sticker should work.

Have you contacted HP for a replacement recovery disk? They should be

able to provide you one for a nominal fee. See:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00707939&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3245032&os=228&lang=en

(or http://tinyurl.com/3d3wh3 )

If not, there's always:

http://www.restoredisks.com (note the plural!)

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key codeon sticker

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key codeon sticker

Tee wrote:

> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC.

That's to be expected. Product Keys are bound to the specific type

and language of CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with

which they are purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key

won't work for any retail version of WinXP Home, or for any version of

WinXP Pro, and vice versa. An Upgrade License's Product Key cannot be

used with a full version CD, and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will

not work to install a retail product. An Italian Product Key will not

work with an English CD. Bottom line: Product Keys and CD/license types

cannot be mixed & matched.

> Once again, there is no

> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>

That's why HP computers prompt you to create your Recovery Disk from

that partition the very first time you turn them on. And the capability

remains available via the Start Menu until removed by the computer owner.

> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

> but can't get it installed.

>

That shouldn't have worked. If it did, it must have been a one-time

fluke.Are you absolutely sure that you successfully used an Upgrade

Product Key with an OEM CD?

> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

Contact HP for assistance in obtaining Recovery media.

--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has

killed a great many philosophers.

~ Denis Diderot

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

"Tee" wrote in message

news:gieps3di0l8eqguqg3g1rkhvtd73lp7cm4@4ax.com...

> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the

> HP

> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated

> install

> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again, there is

> no

> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>

> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP

> Upgrade'

> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just

> doesn't

> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

> but can't get it installed.

>

> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

Probably because you have a product key for the bastardized version of

Windows as distributed by HP. The key on the case is for THAT

version, not whatever you are trying to use. Use the phone number in

the docs supplied with the pre-built HP host to call them to ask for

the recovery CDs (which you didn't bother to create when you received

the host). Cost should somewhere around $20 to $30. Took then just 2

days to deliver the package. Also, remember that a recovery CD is

*not* the same as an install CD.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

Bruce, XP retail upgrade edition and full edition product keys are

interchangeable.

"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message

news:OkWmR4afIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Tee wrote:

>> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

>> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

>> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

>> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC.

>

> That's to be expected. Product Keys are bound to the specific type

> and language of CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with

> which they are purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key won't

> work for any retail version of WinXP Home, or for any version of WinXP

> Pro, and vice versa. An Upgrade License's Product Key cannot be used with

> a full version CD, and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will not work to

> install a retail product. An Italian Product Key will not work with an

> English CD. Bottom line: Product Keys and CD/license types cannot be

> mixed & matched.

>

>> Once again, there is no

>> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>>

>

> That's why HP computers prompt you to create your Recovery Disk from that

> partition the very first time you turn them on. And the capability

> remains available via the Start Menu until removed by the computer owner.

>

>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>> but can't get it installed.

>

> That shouldn't have worked. If it did, it must have been a one-time

> fluke.Are you absolutely sure that you successfully used an Upgrade

> Product Key with an OEM CD?

>

>> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

>

> Contact HP for assistance in obtaining Recovery media.

>

> --

>

> Bruce Chambers

>

> Help us help you:

> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

>

> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

>

> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand

> Russell

>

> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has

> killed a great many philosophers.

> ~ Denis Diderot

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:11:36 -0500, "Daave"

<dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:

>Tee wrote:

>> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

>> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

>> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

>> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again, there is no

>> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>>

>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>> but can't get it installed.

>>

>> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

>

>If the HDD crash took away your Recovery partition, is it possible that

>the drive is shot and you need to purchase/install a new one?

It's gone, I had to buy a new one just to attempt the install.

>

>Who does the Retail disk/license belong to? If it belongs to you and if

>that particular license is not being used on another PC, then you can

>use it. But the key (which is OEM) on your COA sticker on the HP won't

>work. You would need to use the key that came with the disk.

It belongs to a friend, I'm fixing it for her; as I said, I used the

same CD with an XP Home Upgrade key with an eMachines, so the OEM CD &

Key were interchangeable in that case. To me that means they don't

necessarily need to be matched.

>

>You said you tried using an OEM disk, too. This should work provided it

>is a *generic* (i.e., not branded) OEM disk. And the key on your COA

>sticker should work.

It didn't, and there's someone else responding that said they

shouldn't. I would side with you, if it were a matter of opinion.

>

>Have you contacted HP for a replacement recovery disk? They should be

>able to provide you one for a nominal fee. See:

>

>http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00707939&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3245032&os=228&lang=en

>

>(or http://tinyurl.com/3d3wh3 )

>

>If not, there's always:

>

>http://www.restoredisks.com (note the plural!)

>

I started a chat but after almost an hour with 10 minute lags in

responses, I figured out that they didn't even understand the

question. I emailed a detailed question and didn't get an answer yet.

I'm just frustrated that I have a new drive, I have original Microsoft

Integrated CDs (any kind a want) and a key code, and I need to suspend

my life, order CDs, etc. This, in contrast to what the pirates do, and

they would have been finished a half hour after I started this whole

mess. It's clear to me that HP created this obstacle to make more

money after the sale, and other manufacturers did not.

I know you folks are helping, I'm not directing this at you.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:13:26 -0700, Bruce Chambers

<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>Tee wrote:

>> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

>> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

>> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

>> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC.

>

> That's to be expected. Product Keys are bound to the specific type

>and language of CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with

>which they are purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key

>won't work for any retail version of WinXP Home, or for any version of

>WinXP Pro, and vice versa. An Upgrade License's Product Key cannot be

>used with a full version CD, and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will

>not work to install a retail product. An Italian Product Key will not

>work with an English CD. Bottom line: Product Keys and CD/license types

>cannot be mixed & matched.

I'm using XP Home OEM CD & XP Home Retail CD's. This is an XP Home

license, what other flavor exists? Also, I used an XP Home OEM CD with

an Upgrade key and it worked with a new install. The activation worked

after installation.

>

>> Once again, there is no

>> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>>

>

> That's why HP computers prompt you to create your Recovery Disk from

>that partition the very first time you turn them on. And the capability

>remains available via the Start Menu until removed by the computer owner.

Too late, and it isn't my PC. You probably know most home users, they

would have said 'huh?' to the above remark. That's a moot point right

now.

>

>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>> but can't get it installed.

>>

>

> That shouldn't have worked. If it did, it must have been a one-time

>fluke.Are you absolutely sure that you successfully used an Upgrade

>Product Key with an OEM CD?

Absolutely.

>

>> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

>

> Contact HP for assistance in obtaining Recovery media.

I may have to, but it makes it very frustrating when I know that the

rest of the world doesn't have to jump through these hoops.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:03:18 -0700, "Colin Barnhorst"

<c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>Bruce, XP retail upgrade edition and full edition product keys are

>interchangeable.

Yup, it did for me.

>

>"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message

>news:OkWmR4afIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Tee wrote:

>>> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

>>> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

>>> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

>>> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC.

>>

>> That's to be expected. Product Keys are bound to the specific type

>> and language of CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with

>> which they are purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key won't

>> work for any retail version of WinXP Home, or for any version of WinXP

>> Pro, and vice versa. An Upgrade License's Product Key cannot be used with

>> a full version CD, and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will not work to

>> install a retail product. An Italian Product Key will not work with an

>> English CD. Bottom line: Product Keys and CD/license types cannot be

>> mixed & matched.

>>

>>> Once again, there is no

>>> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>>>

>>

>> That's why HP computers prompt you to create your Recovery Disk from that

>> partition the very first time you turn them on. And the capability

>> remains available via the Start Menu until removed by the computer owner.

>>

>>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

>>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

>>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>>> but can't get it installed.

>>

>> That shouldn't have worked. If it did, it must have been a one-time

>> fluke.Are you absolutely sure that you successfully used an Upgrade

>> Product Key with an OEM CD?

>>

>>> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

>>

>> Contact HP for assistance in obtaining Recovery media.

>>

>> --

>>

>> Bruce Chambers

>>

>> Help us help you:

>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

>>

>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

>>

>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

>>

>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand

>> Russell

>>

>> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has

>> killed a great many philosophers.

>> ~ Denis Diderot

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:19:09 -0600, "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>"Tee" wrote in message

>news:gieps3di0l8eqguqg3g1rkhvtd73lp7cm4@4ax.com...

>> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the

>> HP

>> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated

>> install

>> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

>> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again, there is

>> no

>> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>>

>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP

>> Upgrade'

>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just

>> doesn't

>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>> but can't get it installed.

>>

>> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

>

>Probably because you have a product key for the bastardized version of

>Windows as distributed by HP. The key on the case is for THAT

>version, not whatever you are trying to use. Use the phone number in

>the docs supplied with the pre-built HP host to call them to ask for

>the recovery CDs (which you didn't bother to create when you received

>the host). Cost should somewhere around $20 to $30. Took then just 2

>days to deliver the package. Also, remember that a recovery CD is

>*not* the same as an install CD.

I didn't bother to create them because I didn't see the PC until I

received it broken. I am now worried that a recovery CD isn't an

install CD, whatever that means. I guess I'll find out what kind of a

mess that produces after I have given HP a piece of my change, eh?

Looks like HP has constructed a special hell for people who buy their

products. Thanks.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

"Tee" wrote in message

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>

> "VanguardLH" wrote:

>>

>> "Tee" wrote ...

>>>

>>> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the

>>> HP Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated

>>> install CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key

>>> code printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again,

>>> there is no HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed

>>> HD.

>>

>> Probably because you have a product key for the bastardized version

>> of

>> Windows as distributed by HP. The key on the case is for THAT

>> version, not whatever you are trying to use. Use the phone number

>> in

>> the docs supplied with the pre-built HP host to call them to ask

>> for

>> the recovery CDs (which you didn't bother to create when you

>> received

>> the host). Cost should somewhere around $20 to $30. Took then

>> just 2

>> days to deliver the package. Also, remember that a recovery CD is

>> *not* the same as an install CD.

>

> I didn't bother to create them because I didn't see the PC until I

> received it broken. I am now worried that a recovery CD isn't an

> install CD, whatever that means. I guess I'll find out what kind of

> a

> mess that produces after I have given HP a piece of my change, eh?

> Looks like HP has constructed a special hell for people who buy

> their

> products. Thanks.

NOTE: The list of newsgroups in this reply matches the original list,

so the comp.sys.hp.hardware that was added by Tee in mid-discussion

was ignored. Do not add newsgroups in the middle of a discussion.

Users in the other newly added newsgroup won't have any of the posts

in the thread to provide historical context.

Well, are you still under the warranty or period for support that you

paid for or was included in the price of the product?

You "received it broken". Hmm, so someone dumped their broken

computer on you? Well, then you knew it was broken and probably would

incur some cost and/or time to get it unbroken. Since you bought or

otherwise "acquired" a broken computer, it's a good bet that a

legitimate license for Windows was NOT included.

A recovery CD is an image. It will wipe out the partition to install

the exact same setup as when HP produced the computer. This [attempts

to] return the computer to its buy-time setup. You lose everything in

the partition where the image gets restored. Some recovery CDs will

also recreate the hidden partition that is tried on bootup to recover

the computer. With a non-OEM install CD, you could elect to perform a

Repair (in-place) install to get the OS running again. However, you

said "crashed HD" which makes it appear that you had to replace the

hard drive, and that means the instance of your old OS install is

gone. An advantage of a recovery CD is that all the drivers and 3rd

party software are already included to get the computer back to its

buy-time state. With an install CD, you'll have to go find all those

drivers yourself, and some of the 3rd party software, like from HP,

may not be available for download (i.e., you get it pre-installed with

the pre-installed OS on the pre-built computer that you bought).

No, not just HP charges for replacement CDs. Microsoft will charge

for replacement CDs. If you have a warranty or service contract that

covers hardware or software, rarely does it include shipping costs.

After all, if they were selling you the OS, the cost would be a lot

higher. You are paying for shipping and handling charges. What, you

thought that everyone should ship you replacement products for free?

Do you ship anything for free?

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 00:20:10 -0600, "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>"Tee" wrote in message

>news:kqops3tg355mkh5hko0d5kov0h101as7tk@4ax.com...

>>

>> "VanguardLH" wrote:

>>>

>>> "Tee" wrote ...

>>>>

>>>> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>>>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the

>>>> HP Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated

>>>> install CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key

>>>> code printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again,

>>>> there is no HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed

>>>> HD.

>>>

>>> Probably because you have a product key for the bastardized version

>>> of

>>> Windows as distributed by HP. The key on the case is for THAT

>>> version, not whatever you are trying to use. Use the phone number

>>> in

>>> the docs supplied with the pre-built HP host to call them to ask

>>> for

>>> the recovery CDs (which you didn't bother to create when you

>>> received

>>> the host). Cost should somewhere around $20 to $30. Took then

>>> just 2

>>> days to deliver the package. Also, remember that a recovery CD is

>>> *not* the same as an install CD.

>>

>> I didn't bother to create them because I didn't see the PC until I

>> received it broken. I am now worried that a recovery CD isn't an

>> install CD, whatever that means. I guess I'll find out what kind of

>> a

>> mess that produces after I have given HP a piece of my change, eh?

>> Looks like HP has constructed a special hell for people who buy

>> their

>> products. Thanks.

>

>NOTE: The list of newsgroups in this reply matches the original list,

>so the comp.sys.hp.hardware that was added by Tee in mid-discussion

>was ignored. Do not add newsgroups in the middle of a discussion.

>Users in the other newly added newsgroup won't have any of the posts

>in the thread to provide historical context.

Good catch, I didn't think it would be a problem, I was just doing

some Google Groups searches after my original post and saw that group

was there so I added it. Since the threads have remained in each of

the reponses to which I added the new group, I don't think the

'missing post' criticism is valid. Since I'm replying to you here,

I'll leave the original groups, as you desire.

>

>Well, are you still under the warranty or period for support that you

>paid for or was included in the price of the product?

No, does that mean that the SW license is no longer valid as well? I

need to keep buying it every time a piece of HW fails?

>

>You "received it broken". Hmm, so someone dumped their broken

>computer on you? Well, then you knew it was broken and probably would

>incur some cost and/or time to get it unbroken. Since you bought or

>otherwise "acquired" a broken computer, it's a good bet that a

>legitimate license for Windows was NOT included.

A broken HD is not equivalent to a SW license. Nice try at a new

business model, but no go. Who in their right minds would equate a

crashed HD to additional SW costs? Your claim that this PC doesn't

have a legitimate license is baseless.

>

>A recovery CD is an image. It will wipe out the partition to install

>the exact same setup as when HP produced the computer. This [attempts

>to] return the computer to its buy-time setup. You lose everything in

>the partition where the image gets restored. Some recovery CDs will

>also recreate the hidden partition that is tried on bootup to recover

>the computer. With a non-OEM install CD, you could elect to perform a

>Repair (in-place) install to get the OS running again. However, you

>said "crashed HD" which makes it appear that you had to replace the

>hard drive, and that means the instance of your old OS install is

>gone. An advantage of a recovery CD is that all the drivers and 3rd

>party software are already included to get the computer back to its

>buy-time state. With an install CD, you'll have to go find all those

>drivers yourself, and some of the 3rd party software, like from HP,

>may not be available for download (i.e., you get it pre-installed with

>the pre-installed OS on the pre-built computer that you bought).

That's a fair trade-off, if you know you are making it. I assumed that

would be the case, and getting rid of the bloatware 3rd party stuff

sounds like a win. I think it's pretty commonplace to visit the

vendor's site to get specific drivers, so that's not a big deal.

>

>No, not just HP charges for replacement CDs. Microsoft will charge

>for replacement CDs. If you have a warranty or service contract that

>covers hardware or software, rarely does it include shipping costs.

>After all, if they were selling you the OS, the cost would be a lot

>higher. You are paying for shipping and handling charges. What, you

>thought that everyone should ship you replacement products for free?

>Do you ship anything for free?

You're missing the point, I didn't suggest that anyone should send me

anything for free. I was saying that I should expect to be able to

install XP using Microsoft's own media, and using a key code that came

with the PC. Like other manufacturers do.

By the tone of your reply, you're clearly trying to bait me into a

fight. I'm going to focus my efforts on fixing the problem at hand, so

feel free to swing wildly. I won't respond. I just wonder why people

who aren't willing to help will waste so much more time & energy

lashing out at people they don't know.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key codeon sticker

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key codeon sticker

Tee wrote:

>

> I'm just frustrated that I have a new drive, I have original Microsoft

> Integrated CDs (any kind a want) and a key code,

First of all what EXACTLY do you mean by "original Microsoft Integrated

CDs" and secondly WHAT key are you trying to install it with? It MUST be

the same _sort_ of key as the media, ie OEM or Retail full or Retail

upgrade.

You /may/ have been able to INSTALL an upgrade version using an OEM key

but you certainly would NOT have nbeen able to activate it.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key codeon sticker

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key codeon sticker

Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> Bruce, XP retail upgrade edition and full edition product keys are

> interchangeable.

But the OP states that he used an "upgrade" key with an *OEM* CD...

>>

>>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

>>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated *OEM* CD. It just doesn't

>>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>>> but can't get it installed.

(My emphasis)

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key codeon sticker

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key codeon sticker

Tee wrote:

>

> I'm using XP Home OEM CD & XP Home Retail CD's. This is an XP Home

> license, what other flavor exists?

You are missing the point entirely. What SORT of XP Home licence? OEM or

Retail? that is the 64,000 dollar question.

Also, I used an XP Home OEM CD with

> an Upgrade key and it worked with a new install. The activation worked

> after installation.

>

You can't possibly have used a RETAIL key on an OEM disk unless there

was a considerable glitch in the activation process. Are you SURE that's

what you did?

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

"Tee" wrote in message

news:d4rps3p181cvlgq5mutrv1b4m5ja71cmi3@4ax.com...

> "VanguardLH" wrote:

>>

>> NOTE: The list of newsgroups in this reply matches the original

>> list,

>> so the comp.sys.hp.hardware that was added by Tee in mid-discussion

>> was ignored. Do not add newsgroups in the middle of a discussion.

>> Users in the other newly added newsgroup won't have any of the

>> posts

>> in the thread to provide historical context.

>

> Good catch, I didn't think it would be a problem, I was just doing

> some Google Groups searches after my original post and saw that

> group

> was there so I added it. Since the threads have remained in each of

> the reponses to which I added the new group, I don't think the

> 'missing post' criticism is valid. Since I'm replying to you here,

> I'll leave the original groups, as you desire.

The parent post (original post and some in the subthread) won't be in

the newly added group. All the other subthreads will also be missing

from the newly added newsgroup. That means a thread pops up in the

middle of the discussion and all the other threads are missing in the

new group. Because I changed the Newsgroups header to the original

list, now the thread disappears from the other newsgroup. It popped

up in the middle of the discussion with all the other subthreads

missing and now it disappeared over there.

>> Well, are you still under the warranty or period for support that

>> you

>> paid for or was included in the price of the product?

>

> No, does that mean that the SW license is no longer valid as well? I

> need to keep buying it every time a piece of HW fails?

You are asking about a pre-built computer with pre-installed software,

including the OS. It is highly likely that you have a name-branded

OEM version of Windows. That means the license for the software goes

with whatever host on which it was first installed. If you were still

under a support plan then getting the replacement CDs *might* be free

(but is not an absolute guarantee of such). Only someone that owns an

HP host that was still under the support plan and had to order the

replacement recovery CDs would know if they had to pay for them.

>>You "received it broken". Hmm, so someone dumped their broken

>>computer on you? Well, then you knew it was broken and probably

>>would

>>incur some cost and/or time to get it unbroken. Since you bought or

>>otherwise "acquired" a broken computer, it's a good bet that a

>>legitimate license for Windows was NOT included.

>

> A broken HD is not equivalent to a SW license. Nice try at a new

> business model, but no go. Who in their right minds would equate a

> crashed HD to additional SW costs? Your claim that this PC doesn't

> have a legitimate license is baseless.

For the version that YOU are trying to use, it is not baseless. You

are trying to use a different license than the one that was

distributed with this particular host. You didn't mention until later

that "received it broken" meant you were trying to repair someone

else's host and wasn't something that YOU received as you said you

did. Getting a broken host (for yourself) usually means you get is

as-is and that usually means the original owner kept the software

license for their own use on their new host that replaced their broken

one that they palmed off to you.

>> No, not just HP charges for replacement CDs. Microsoft will charge

>> for replacement CDs. If you have a warranty or service contract

>> that

>> covers hardware or software, rarely does it include shipping costs.

>> After all, if they were selling you the OS, the cost would be a lot

>> higher. You are paying for shipping and handling charges. What,

>> you

>> thought that everyone should ship you replacement products for

>> free?

>> Do you ship anything for free?

>

> You're missing the point, I didn't suggest that anyone should send

> me

> anything for free. I was saying that I should expect to be able to

> install XP using Microsoft's own media, and using a key code that

> came

> with the PC. Like other manufacturers do.

Manufacturer use images, sysprep, or other tools to lay the same image

on the same model of their pre-built units that they sell. They buy

volume licenses. That's not what you have. You can install using

Microsoft's own media as long as you use the correct installation

media. It is irrelevant on how you managed to do "it" before. You

are blocked from doing "it" now because you are doing "it" wrong.

You "received it broken". Then later you claim that you are repairing

it for someone else who never bothered to create the recovery CDs. So

now you, er, that owner will have to go get the recovery CDs. Or, I

suppose, they could buy a legit copy and do an install of that and

then go get all the drivers. Looks like you were trying to impress

someone with your computer skills, got stymied, and now don't want to

tell that owner that you cannot repair their computer without

additional cost. In the meantime, the owner is still waiting for a

solution, even if it has them getting the recovery CD set from HP.

You don't have the tools to do the repair, so tell the owner, get to

ripping off the bandage quick, and have them order the recovery CDs.

The product key on the sticker is for an HP-branded version of Windows

Home (OEM). When HP punches out their pre-builts, they generate their

own license keys based on their volume license that gets distributed

using image, sysprep, or whatever. That license needs to be used with

HP's install, but HP's "install" is an image (i.e., the recovery CDs).

Their product key is for their "install" and probably won't work with

the generic OEM and retail CDs that you are trying to use. So you

could tell the owner to order the HP recovery CDs (make sure they

specify the correct Windows version) or you could do the install using

your OEM or retails CDs and use their product keys and lose that copy

of Windows.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message

news:ugl3HoffIHA.5624@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Getting a broken host (for yourself) usually means you get is as-is

> and that usually means the original owner kept the software license

> for their own use on their new host that replaced their broken one

> that they palmed off to you.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Unless this HP laptop had a

volume license associated with it, the original owner can't keep the

original XP Home license because it is tied to the laptop. Sure if the

original owner had loaded XP Pro on it using a Retail or Upgrade disc,

he or she would have the option of retaining *that* license.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

Tee wrote:

>

> I didn't bother to create them because I didn't see the PC until I

> received it broken. I am now worried that a recovery CD isn't an

> install CD, whatever that means. I guess I'll find out what kind of a

> mess that produces after I have given HP a piece of my change, eh?

> Looks like HP has constructed a special hell for people who buy their

> products. Thanks.

Yes, HP provided a path to Hell, but it was the user who traveled the route.

In the documentation that came with the computer there is an admonition to

create restore and backup copies of the restore partition - or words to that

effect.

By not doing so, the original purchaser did the equivalent of running the

new lawnmower without adding oil, or trying to print on a new printer

without removing all the internal packing material.

Bottom line: The key on the computer works only with media from HP or a

recovery CD created from the Recovery Partition. OEM distributions MAY work

(with their key) IF all the appropriate drivers unique to this particular

machine are included.

A full Retail distribution (not upgrade) MAY also work if the drivers for

your box are available.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

"Tee" <t@s.com> wrote in message

news:ibnps3h7tb2at4lcdmt2mdfp7jqoeffomu@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:11:36 -0500, "Daave"

> <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:

>

>>Tee wrote:

>>> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the

>>> HP

>>> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated

>>> install

>>> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

>>> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again, there is

>>> no

>>> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>>>

>>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP

>>> Upgrade'

>>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just

>>> doesn't

>>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>>> but can't get it installed.

>>>

>>> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

>>

>>If the HDD crash took away your Recovery partition, is it possible

>>that

>>the drive is shot and you need to purchase/install a new one?

>

> It's gone, I had to buy a new one just to attempt the install.

>

>>

>>Who does the Retail disk/license belong to? If it belongs to you and

>>if

>>that particular license is not being used on another PC, then you can

>>use it. But the key (which is OEM) on your COA sticker on the HP won't

>>work. You would need to use the key that came with the disk.

>

> It belongs to a friend, I'm fixing it for her; as I said, I used the

> same CD with an XP Home Upgrade key with an eMachines, so the OEM CD &

> Key were interchangeable in that case. To me that means they don't

> necessarily need to be matched.

I'm afraid I'm not following you, Tee.

It appears that the PC (which presumably came with a non-volume OEM XP

Home license -- does it?) belongs to your friend, but who owns the

Retail disk? Is it Full or Upgrade? Is the license associated with it

already in use in another PC?

What does "I used the same CD with an XP Home Upgrade key with an

eMachines" mean? What version of Windows was originally on the eMachines

PC?

>>You said you tried using an OEM disk, too. This should work provided

>>it

>>is a *generic* (i.e., not branded) OEM disk. And the key on your COA

>>sticker should work.

>

> It didn't, and there's someone else responding that said they

> shouldn't. I would side with you, if it were a matter of opinion.

This is not a matter of opinion; it is a matter of fact. When "someone

else" responded that it shouldn't, they were mistaken. (Perhaps they

were thinking the key was a volume license key obtained though Magical

Jelly Bean Keyfinder or Belarc Advisor. In that case, they would be

correct, but that key is different from the one on the COA sticker.)

If you used a branded OEM disk or if the disk were not the same flavor

of XP as what the license for that particular HP stipulates (i.e., Home,

Pro, Media Center Edition, etc.), then it won't work. Otherwise (i.e.,

using a *generic* OEM disk along with the OEM key on the COA and

assuming the flavors match), it will. Perhaps you made a mistake

entering the characters. An "I" can look like a "1", an "O" can look

like a "0," etc.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

In article <d4rps3p181cvlgq5mutrv1b4m5ja71cmi3@4ax.com>, Tee <t@s.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 00:20:10 -0600, "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>

>>"Tee" wrote in message

>>news:kqops3tg355mkh5hko0d5kov0h101as7tk@4ax.com...

>>>

>>> "VanguardLH" wrote:

>>>>

>>>> "Tee" wrote ...

>>>>>

>>>>> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>>>>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the

>>>>> HP Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated

>>>>> install CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key

>>>>> code printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again,

>>>>> there is no HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed

>>>>> HD.

>>>>

>>>> Probably because you have a product key for the bastardized version

>>>> of

>>>> Windows as distributed by HP. The key on the case is for THAT

>>>> version, not whatever you are trying to use. Use the phone number

>>>> in

>>>> the docs supplied with the pre-built HP host to call them to ask

>>>> for

>>>> the recovery CDs (which you didn't bother to create when you

>>>> received

>>>> the host). Cost should somewhere around $20 to $30. Took then

>>>> just 2

>>>> days to deliver the package. Also, remember that a recovery CD is

>>>> *not* the same as an install CD.

>>>

>>> I didn't bother to create them because I didn't see the PC until I

>>> received it broken. I am now worried that a recovery CD isn't an

>>> install CD, whatever that means. I guess I'll find out what kind of

>>> a

>>> mess that produces after I have given HP a piece of my change, eh?

>>> Looks like HP has constructed a special hell for people who buy

>>> their

>>> products. Thanks.

>>

>>NOTE: The list of newsgroups in this reply matches the original list,

>>so the comp.sys.hp.hardware that was added by Tee in mid-discussion

>>was ignored. Do not add newsgroups in the middle of a discussion.

>>Users in the other newly added newsgroup won't have any of the posts

>>in the thread to provide historical context.

>

>Good catch, I didn't think it would be a problem, I was just doing

>some Google Groups searches after my original post and saw that group

>was there so I added it. Since the threads have remained in each of

>the reponses to which I added the new group, I don't think the

>'missing post' criticism is valid. Since I'm replying to you here,

>I'll leave the original groups, as you desire.

>>

>>Well, are you still under the warranty or period for support that you

>>paid for or was included in the price of the product?

>

>No, does that mean that the SW license is no longer valid as well? I

>need to keep buying it every time a piece of HW fails?

>

>>

>>You "received it broken". Hmm, so someone dumped their broken

>>computer on you? Well, then you knew it was broken and probably would

>>incur some cost and/or time to get it unbroken. Since you bought or

>>otherwise "acquired" a broken computer, it's a good bet that a

>>legitimate license for Windows was NOT included.

>

>A broken HD is not equivalent to a SW license. Nice try at a new

>business model, but no go. Who in their right minds would equate a

>crashed HD to additional SW costs? Your claim that this PC doesn't

>have a legitimate license is baseless.

>

>>

>>A recovery CD is an image. It will wipe out the partition to install

>>the exact same setup as when HP produced the computer. This [attempts

>>to] return the computer to its buy-time setup. You lose everything in

>>the partition where the image gets restored. Some recovery CDs will

>>also recreate the hidden partition that is tried on bootup to recover

>>the computer. With a non-OEM install CD, you could elect to perform a

>>Repair (in-place) install to get the OS running again. However, you

>>said "crashed HD" which makes it appear that you had to replace the

>>hard drive, and that means the instance of your old OS install is

>>gone. An advantage of a recovery CD is that all the drivers and 3rd

>>party software are already included to get the computer back to its

>>buy-time state. With an install CD, you'll have to go find all those

>>drivers yourself, and some of the 3rd party software, like from HP,

>>may not be available for download (i.e., you get it pre-installed with

>>the pre-installed OS on the pre-built computer that you bought).

>

>That's a fair trade-off, if you know you are making it. I assumed that

>would be the case, and getting rid of the bloatware 3rd party stuff

>sounds like a win. I think it's pretty commonplace to visit the

>vendor's site to get specific drivers, so that's not a big deal.

>

>>

>>No, not just HP charges for replacement CDs. Microsoft will charge

>>for replacement CDs. If you have a warranty or service contract that

>>covers hardware or software, rarely does it include shipping costs.

>>After all, if they were selling you the OS, the cost would be a lot

>>higher. You are paying for shipping and handling charges. What, you

>>thought that everyone should ship you replacement products for free?

>>Do you ship anything for free?

>

>You're missing the point, I didn't suggest that anyone should send me

>anything for free. I was saying that I should expect to be able to

>install XP using Microsoft's own media, and using a key code that came

>with the PC. Like other manufacturers do.

>

No other manufacturer allows you to use a retail copy with a OEM code from the

side of a pc.They all have their own customized installs of XP. Not just HP.

>By the tone of your reply, you're clearly trying to bait me into a

>fight. I'm going to focus my efforts on fixing the problem at hand, so

>feel free to swing wildly. I won't respond. I just wonder why people

>who aren't willing to help will waste so much more time & energy

>lashing out at people they don't know.

Get the damn recovery CD's from HP and be done with it.

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

The product key from the HP sticker will not work with a retail distribution of

Windows. Microsoft uses different key generation algorithms for XP retail,

OEM, upgrade, Home, Pro. Even the OEM SP2 versions have different key

algorithms between the original SP2 and the latest SP2c.

May I say that it is possible to install XP and use the product key from the

bottom of the system? How? If one does not have any HP XP install CDs, a

Dell XP install CD (for example) will install properly. Then, before

attempting to activate the product, use the free Keyfinder to change the product

key. Thereafter, the XP activates OK, and Windows updates even work properly.

I have heard that this works properly. Is it legal or a violation of the

Microsoft licensing agreement? Only Microsoft can tell. Or can it?

Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true Windows

install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it. Other

companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost... Ben Myers

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:15:41 -0600, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:

>Tee wrote:

>>

>> I didn't bother to create them because I didn't see the PC until I

>> received it broken. I am now worried that a recovery CD isn't an

>> install CD, whatever that means. I guess I'll find out what kind of a

>> mess that produces after I have given HP a piece of my change, eh?

>> Looks like HP has constructed a special hell for people who buy their

>> products. Thanks.

>

>Yes, HP provided a path to Hell, but it was the user who traveled the route.

>In the documentation that came with the computer there is an admonition to

>create restore and backup copies of the restore partition - or words to that

>effect.

>

>By not doing so, the original purchaser did the equivalent of running the

>new lawnmower without adding oil, or trying to print on a new printer

>without removing all the internal packing material.

>

>Bottom line: The key on the computer works only with media from HP or a

>recovery CD created from the Recovery Partition. OEM distributions MAY work

>(with their key) IF all the appropriate drivers unique to this particular

>machine are included.

>

>A full Retail distribution (not upgrade) MAY also work if the drivers for

>your box are available.

>

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

"Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message

news:kbqqs3pfa83tbdrgoq7bab29qsil1n79s4@4ax.com...

> Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true

> Windows

> install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it. Other

> companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost...

The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say

"Reinstallation."

March 4, 2008

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

I don't believe that could have worked. Perhaps he is mistaken about one or

the other.

"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:634h01F25bh5tU1@mid.individual.net...

> Colin Barnhorst wrote:

>> Bruce, XP retail upgrade edition and full edition product keys are

>> interchangeable.

>

> But the OP states that he used an "upgrade" key with an *OEM* CD...

>

>>>

>>>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

>>>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated *OEM* CD. It just

>>>> doesn't

>>>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>>>> but can't get it installed.

>

> (My emphasis)

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