Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

An OEM cd will have "For use on a new computer or a computer without an

operating system" printed on it. Does the cd have that on it? If not it is

likely a retail cd.

 

"Tee" <t@s.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:13:26 -0700, Bruce Chambers

> <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>

>>Tee wrote:

>>> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

>>> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

>>> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

>>> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC.

>>

>>

>> That's to be expected. Product Keys are bound to the specific type

>>and language of CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with

>>which they are purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key

>>won't work for any retail version of WinXP Home, or for any version of

>>WinXP Pro, and vice versa. An Upgrade License's Product Key cannot be

>>used with a full version CD, and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will

>>not work to install a retail product. An Italian Product Key will not

>>work with an English CD. Bottom line: Product Keys and CD/license types

>>cannot be mixed & matched.

>

> I'm using XP Home OEM CD & XP Home Retail CD's. This is an XP Home

> license, what other flavor exists? Also, I used an XP Home OEM CD with

> an Upgrade key and it worked with a new install. The activation worked

> after installation.

>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Once again, there is no

>>> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>>>

>>

>>

>> That's why HP computers prompt you to create your Recovery Disk from

>>that partition the very first time you turn them on. And the capability

>>remains available via the Start Menu until removed by the computer owner.

>

> Too late, and it isn't my PC. You probably know most home users, they

> would have said 'huh?' to the above remark. That's a moot point right

> now.

>

>>

>>

>>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

>>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

>>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>>> but can't get it installed.

>>>

>>

>> That shouldn't have worked. If it did, it must have been a one-time

>>fluke.Are you absolutely sure that you successfully used an Upgrade

>>Product Key with an OEM CD?

>

> Absolutely.

>

>>

>>

>>> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

>>

>> Contact HP for assistance in obtaining Recovery media.

>

> I may have to, but it makes it very frustrating when I know that the

> rest of the world doesn't have to jump through these hoops.

[Guest Richard in AZ]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

Claggy was right, sorry about the link typo error.

 

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>

> "Tee" <t@s.com> wrote in message news:2pgps3hvtlcktiiv2d806eog1to3m2c7qd@4ax.com...

>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:18:38 -0700, "Richard in AZ" <me@mailinator.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>"Tee" <t@s.com> wrote in message news:gieps3di0l8eqguqg3g1rkhvtd73lp7cm4@4ax.com...

>>>>I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>>>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the HP

>>>> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated install

>>>> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

>>>> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again, there is no

>>>> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>>>>

>>>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP Upgrade'

>>>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just doesn't

>>>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>>>> but can't get it installed.

>>>>

>>>> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

>>>

>>>Most likely because HP uses a customized OEM OS and their Key is only valid on with that version.

>>>You may be able to buy a set of HP restore disk from http://www.restoredisk.com

>>>

>>

>> I went to that link, it has lots of other links to other sites for

>> 'system disks', 'rescue disks', etc., nothing I recognized as being an

>> HP restore disk. Do you know which link?

>>

>> I hope you're mistaken, even though I can't question what you said.

>> So, every hardware vendor has a customized OS? If that's the case, how

>> could a brand new, shrink wrapped copy of XP work if the HW needs a

>> special customized OS? Like I said I was able to totally reinstall an

>> eMachines and it respected the key code.

>>

>> Anyway, it just seems wrong that I would have to buy something when I

>> already own the license and can easily get the Microsoft media to

>> reinstall.

>>

>> Thanks.

>

> I think he left the s off. Try,

> http://www.restoredisks.com/

>

>

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

A recovery cd commonly writes an image to the hdd rather than installing the

software by using Setup.

 

"Tee" <t@s.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:19:09 -0600, "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>

>>"Tee" wrote in message

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>>> I am having trouble doing a scratch install of XP on a (formerly)

>>> preloaded HP Pavilion that suffered a HD crash, taking with it the

>>> HP

>>> Recovery partition. I have tried using XP Home SP2 Integrated

>>> install

>>> CDs (Retail or OEM) but both won't respect the XP Home key code

>>> printed on the sticker on the side of the PC. Once again, there is

>>> no

>>> HP XP "media" because it was lost inside the crashed HD.

>>>

>>> I have previously reinstalled XP on an eMachines with an 'XP

>>> Upgrade'

>>> key code using an Integrated XP SP2 Integrated OEM CD. It just

>>> doesn't

>>> make sense that I have a valid license, am trying it on the same PC,

>>> but can't get it installed.

>>>

>>> Can someone please help me get XP re-installed on this PC? TIA.

>>

>>

>>Probably because you have a product key for the bastardized version of

>>Windows as distributed by HP. The key on the case is for THAT

>>version, not whatever you are trying to use. Use the phone number in

>>the docs supplied with the pre-built HP host to call them to ask for

>>the recovery CDs (which you didn't bother to create when you received

>>the host). Cost should somewhere around $20 to $30. Took then just 2

>>days to deliver the package. Also, remember that a recovery CD is

>>*not* the same as an install CD.

>

> I didn't bother to create them because I didn't see the PC until I

> received it broken. I am now worried that a recovery CD isn't an

> install CD, whatever that means. I guess I'll find out what kind of a

> mess that produces after I have given HP a piece of my change, eh?

> Looks like HP has constructed a special hell for people who buy their

> products. Thanks.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

Better try retail upgrade and full edition product keys against each other.

I believe that you'll find that upgrade and full edition cd's do not require

anything other than just a retail pk of either kind. I have successfully

used full edition pk's with upgrade edition cd's and vice versa.

 

"Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message

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> The product key from the HP sticker will not work with a retail

> distribution of

> Windows. Microsoft uses different key generation algorithms for XP

> retail,

> OEM, upgrade, Home, Pro. Even the OEM SP2 versions have different key

> algorithms between the original SP2 and the latest SP2c.

>

> May I say that it is possible to install XP and use the product key from

> the

> bottom of the system? How? If one does not have any HP XP install CDs,

> a

> Dell XP install CD (for example) will install properly. Then, before

> attempting to activate the product, use the free Keyfinder to change the

> product

> key. Thereafter, the XP activates OK, and Windows updates even work

> properly.

> I have heard that this works properly. Is it legal or a violation of the

> Microsoft licensing agreement? Only Microsoft can tell. Or can it?

>

> Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true Windows

> install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it. Other

> companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost... Ben

> Myers

>

> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:15:41 -0600, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>Tee wrote:

>>>

>>> I didn't bother to create them because I didn't see the PC until I

>>> received it broken. I am now worried that a recovery CD isn't an

>>> install CD, whatever that means. I guess I'll find out what kind of a

>>> mess that produces after I have given HP a piece of my change, eh?

>>> Looks like HP has constructed a special hell for people who buy their

>>> products. Thanks.

>>

>>Yes, HP provided a path to Hell, but it was the user who traveled the

>>route.

>>In the documentation that came with the computer there is an admonition to

>>create restore and backup copies of the restore partition - or words to

>>that

>>effect.

>>

>>By not doing so, the original purchaser did the equivalent of running the

>>new lawnmower without adding oil, or trying to print on a new printer

>>without removing all the internal packing material.

>>

>>Bottom line: The key on the computer works only with media from HP or a

>>recovery CD created from the Recovery Partition. OEM distributions MAY

>>work

>>(with their key) IF all the appropriate drivers unique to this particular

>>machine are included.

>>

>>A full Retail distribution (not upgrade) MAY also work if the drivers for

>>your box are available.

>>

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

I would take "reinstallation" to mean restoration to factory condition. If

it were a standard OEM XP cd it would say "for installation on a new

computer or a computer without an operating system." In other words,

installation rather than reinstallation.

 

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> "Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message

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>

>> Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true

>> Windows

>> install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it. Other

>> companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost...

>

> The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say

> "Reinstallation."

>

[Guest Daave]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

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>> "Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message

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>>

>>> Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true

>>> Windows

>>> install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it.

>>> Other

>>> companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost...

>>

>> The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say

>> "Reinstallation."

>I would take "reinstallation" to mean restoration to factory condition.

>If it were a standard OEM XP cd it would say "for installation on a new

>computer or a computer without an operating system." In other words,

>installation rather than reinstallation.

 

You would think that, but they really were installation CDs, as Ben

described.

 

The ones I've seen look like this one:

 

http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/153/567/04/cd4dell.jpg

[Guest VanguardLH]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

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> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message

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>

>> Getting a broken host (for yourself) usually means you get is as-is

>> and that usually means the original owner kept the software license

>> for their own use on their new host that replaced their broken one

>> that they palmed off to you.

>

> I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Unless this HP laptop had

> a volume license associated with it, the original owner can't keep

> the original XP Home license because it is tied to the laptop. Sure

> if the original owner had loaded XP Pro on it using a Retail or

> Upgrade disc, he or she would have the option of retaining *that*

> license.

 

 

Hmm, you're probably right on that. It would be an OEM license from

HP. That means the owner has to surrender all installation media and

the license in the sale. However, it appears there was no sale and

that the OP is probably repairing the laptop for the original owner.

Since the owner didn't create the recovery CDs, the OP will have to

tell the owner that the owner needs to order the recovery CDs. The HP

products key the OP is trying to use won't work with the OEM and

retail CDs that he is using to reinstall Windows. From the bouncing

around from the product key sticker and the OP using retail CDs, I'm

not sure what version was originally installed on the laptop. Don't

OEM versions have "OEM" in the product key?

 

Some installs are BIOS-locked but I don't know if the product key

reflects that fact.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

Clearly that is a Dell cd rather than a Microsoft XP (hologrammed) OEM cd.

You would have to view the files on it to know whether it transfers an image

to the hard drive or is basically just a modified MS cd.

 

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>> "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

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>>> "Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message

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>>>

>>>> Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true

>>>> Windows

>>>> install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it. Other

>>>> companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost...

>>>

>>> The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say

>>> "Reinstallation."

>

>>I would take "reinstallation" to mean restoration to factory condition. If

>>it were a standard OEM XP cd it would say "for installation on a new

>>computer or a computer without an operating system." In other words,

>>installation rather than reinstallation.

>

> You would think that, but they really were installation CDs, as Ben

> described.

>

> The ones I've seen look like this one:

>

> http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/153/567/04/cd4dell.jpg

>

[Guest Daave]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

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>>> "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

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>>>> "Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message

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>>>>

>>>>> Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true

>>>>> Windows install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore"

>>>>> on it. Other companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs

>>>>> based on Ghost...

>>>>

>>>> The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say

>>>> "Reinstallation."

>>

>>>I would take "reinstallation" to mean restoration to factory

>>>condition. If it were a standard OEM XP cd it would say "for

>>>installation on a new computer or a computer without an operating

>>>system." In other words, installation rather than reinstallation.

>>

>> You would think that, but they really were installation CDs, as Ben

>> described.

>>

>> The ones I've seen look like this one:

>>

>> http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/153/567/04/cd4dell.jpg

> Clearly that is a Dell cd rather than a Microsoft XP (hologrammed) OEM

> cd.

 

Yes, this is what Ben and I have been talking about.

> You would have to view the files on it to know whether it transfers an

> image to the hard drive or is basically just a modified MS cd.

 

If you were to view the files, you would see it is a slightly modified

Microsoft XP installation disk.

[Guest Ben Myers]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

Yeah, you're right. My bad... Ben

 

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:46:36 -0500, "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid>

wrote:

>"Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message

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>

>> Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true

>> Windows

>> install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it. Other

>> companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost...

>

>The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say

>"Reinstallation."

>

[Guest Ben Myers]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

You can trust me on this one. I have refurbished and reloaded Windows onto

countless Dell boxes I have resold in the secondary market.

 

Whether XP Home or XP Pro, the Dell reinstallation CD reinstalls Windows from

scratch, little different from an OEM Windows install CD. It goes through all

the steps that one would see if mindlessly watching any other Windows install

running from scratch. When installed on a system with a Dell motherboard BIOS,

it does not request a product key and it does not require activation, so

obviously there are some smallish differences with a big effect somewhere in all

the binary bits. It also leaves the installer scouring about for drivers for

any devices which came to life after the original XP classic betaware was

released. For all practical purposes, this includes drivers for most any

Pentium 4 motherboards. Dell also packages (maybe past tense by now) another

CD with the drivers for whatever motherboard is in the system. One exception,

the Dell SP2 reinstallation CD, just like the OEM and (I think) retail versions,

has slipstreamed SATA drivers, doubtless as a consequence of major serious

pressure on Micro$oft from both the hard drive manufacturers and the name brand

companies like HPaq and Dell... Ben Myers

 

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:33:49 -0700, "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net>

wrote:

>Clearly that is a Dell cd rather than a Microsoft XP (hologrammed) OEM cd.

>You would have to view the files on it to know whether it transfers an image

>to the hard drive or is basically just a modified MS cd.

>

>"Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

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>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

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>>

>>> "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

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>>>> "Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:kbqqs3pfa83tbdrgoq7bab29qsil1n79s4@4ax.com...

>>>>

>>>>> Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true

>>>>> Windows

>>>>> install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it. Other

>>>>> companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost...

>>>>

>>>> The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say

>>>> "Reinstallation."

>>

>>>I would take "reinstallation" to mean restoration to factory condition. If

>>>it were a standard OEM XP cd it would say "for installation on a new

>>>computer or a computer without an operating system." In other words,

>>>installation rather than reinstallation.

>>

>> You would think that, but they really were installation CDs, as Ben

>> described.

>>

>> The ones I've seen look like this one:

>>

>> http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/153/567/04/cd4dell.jpg

>>

[Guest PD43]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

Ben Myers <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote:

>Whether XP Home or XP Pro, the Dell reinstallation CD reinstalls Windows from

>scratch, little different from an OEM Windows install CD.

 

Does it not also offer the option to merely restore the computer to

the same condition it was when unpackaged?

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

Back in Win9x/ME days they did, but that convention was dropped years ago.

 

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>> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message

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>>

>>> Getting a broken host (for yourself) usually means you get is as-is and

>>> that usually means the original owner kept the software license for

>>> their own use on their new host that replaced their broken one that they

>>> palmed off to you.

>>

>> I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Unless this HP laptop had a

>> volume license associated with it, the original owner can't keep the

>> original XP Home license because it is tied to the laptop. Sure if the

>> original owner had loaded XP Pro on it using a Retail or Upgrade disc, he

>> or she would have the option of retaining *that* license.

>

>

> Hmm, you're probably right on that. It would be an OEM license from HP.

> That means the owner has to surrender all installation media and the

> license in the sale. However, it appears there was no sale and that the

> OP is probably repairing the laptop for the original owner. Since the

> owner didn't create the recovery CDs, the OP will have to tell the owner

> that the owner needs to order the recovery CDs. The HP products key the

> OP is trying to use won't work with the OEM and retail CDs that he is

> using to reinstall Windows. From the bouncing around from the product key

> sticker and the OP using retail CDs, I'm not sure what version was

> originally installed on the laptop. Don't OEM versions have "OEM" in the

> product key?

>

> Some installs are BIOS-locked but I don't know if the product key reflects

> that fact.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

Then at least you can do a repair install and use the system file checker

with it in addition to reinstalling the system. You can also make a

slipstreamed cd for keeping up to date with the current service pack. Does

it include any Dell proprietary drivers or are those on a separate Drivers

and Utilities cd?

 

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>> "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

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>>>

>>>> "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

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>>>>> "Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:kbqqs3pfa83tbdrgoq7bab29qsil1n79s4@4ax.com...

>>>>>

>>>>>> Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true

>>>>>> Windows install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore"

>>>>>> on it. Other companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs

>>>>>> based on Ghost...

>>>>>

>>>>> The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say

>>>>> "Reinstallation."

>>>

>>>>I would take "reinstallation" to mean restoration to factory condition.

>>>>If it were a standard OEM XP cd it would say "for installation on a new

>>>>computer or a computer without an operating system." In other words,

>>>>installation rather than reinstallation.

>>>

>>> You would think that, but they really were installation CDs, as Ben

>>> described.

>>>

>>> The ones I've seen look like this one:

>>>

>>> http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/153/567/04/cd4dell.jpg

>

>> Clearly that is a Dell cd rather than a Microsoft XP (hologrammed) OEM

>> cd.

>

> Yes, this is what Ben and I have been talking about.

>

>> You would have to view the files on it to know whether it transfers an

>> image to the hard drive or is basically just a modified MS cd.

>

> If you were to view the files, you would see it is a slightly modified

> Microsoft XP installation disk.

>

[Guest Daave]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:E4647C05-3C2E-4FB5-9C5A-F05837795A3F@microsoft.com...

> Then at least you can do a repair install and use the system file

> checker with it in addition to reinstalling the system. You can also

> make a slipstreamed cd for keeping up to date with the current service

> pack. Does it include any Dell proprietary drivers or are those on a

> separate Drivers and Utilities cd?

 

In my case, there is a separate Drivers and Utilities CD.

[Guest VanguardLH]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

"PD43" wrote in message

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> Ben Myers <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote:

>

>>Whether XP Home or XP Pro, the Dell reinstallation CD reinstalls

>>Windows from

>>scratch, little different from an OEM Windows install CD.

>

> Does it not also offer the option to merely restore the computer to

> the same condition it was when unpackaged?

 

 

Not the HP recovery CDs that I've seen. The CD really doesn't have an

image per se. It performs an automated install. Restoring an image

would be quick. Using the recovery CD could take 6 hours to complete

(that's how long it took me last time). An image doesn't do any

testing of hardware to determine which driver from a slew of them

provided on the CD are appropriate. The recovery CD covers a family

of models or the diverse hardware that can comprise a particular

model. HP, Dell, and others sell based on specs, not on specific

hardware, within a particular model. I've had customers that cannot

test using pre-built Dells, HPs, Gateway, or whatever because they

won't know what hardware is inside. They could order 50 desktops and

get around 2 to 4 different hardware configurations for the same

model. An image would be quick to restore but be very limited as to

where it can be restored (and avoid having to do a Repair install

followed by a multitude of driver updates). That's why an image

really belongs to a particular host. A recovery CD often builds the

new install from scratch. Sometimes "restore CD" is used to denote an

image rather than "recovery CD" to build a new OS install but the

terminology depends on whomever is writing the documentation and their

interpretation (but often they don't tell you what they mean).

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

 

PD43 wrote:

> Ben Myers <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote:

>

>> Whether XP Home or XP Pro, the Dell reinstallation CD reinstalls Windows

>> from

>> scratch, little different from an OEM Windows install CD.

>

> Does it not also offer the option to merely restore the computer to

> the same condition it was when unpackaged?

 

If you hit Ctrl F11 at bootup, and haven't done anything to prevent it from

working anymore (like repartitioning, etc). No CD is needed in that case.

(this seems to be true for some of the recent Dells - don't know about the

rest)