Large Word files and 98SE

March 4, 2008

Word and Win98SE problems

I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically

400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60

Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create

these files)

There are two interesting problems:

1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double

clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to

open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With

an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But

with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

On copying and pasting:

a) Nothing happens for around a minute

b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'

c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'

d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to

62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

Any ideas welcome.

(I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)

Graham

March 4, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

Graham C wrote:

> Word and Win98SE problems

>

> I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically

> 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60

> Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create

> these files)

>

> There are two interesting problems:

>

> 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double

> clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to

> open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

>

> 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With

> an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But

> with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

>

> On copying and pasting:

>

> a) Nothing happens for around a minute

> b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'

> c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'

> d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to

> 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

>

> Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

>

> Any ideas welcome.

>

> (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)

> Graham

Graham,

did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a

lot less overhead involved.

Mike

March 4, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

Graham C wrote:

> Word and Win98SE problems

>

> I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically

> 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60

> Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create

> these files)

>

> There are two interesting problems:

>

> 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double

> clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to

> open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

>

> 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With

> an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But

> with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

>

> On copying and pasting:

>

> a) Nothing happens for around a minute

> b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'

> c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'

> d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to

> 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

>

> Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

>

> Any ideas welcome.

>

> (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)

> Graham

Here are some other ideas:

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000619.htm

http://lifehacker.com/software/featured-windows-download/speed-up-file-copying-with-teracopy-263492.php

http://www.copyhandler.com/en/downloads/index.php

http://supercopier.sfxteam.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=1&sel_lang=english&PHPSESSID=317c193de57ecc49f8f3ad6b154abc29

http://www.codesector.com/teracopy.php

Copy your files faster and easier

TeraCopy is a compact program designed to copy and move files at the

maximum possible speed, providing the user a lot of features:

* Copy files faster. TeraCopy uses dynamically adjusted buffers to

reduce seek times. Asynchronous copy speeds up file transfer between two

physical hard drives.

* Pause and resume file transfers. Pause copy process at any time to

free up system resources and continue with a single click.

* Error recovery. In case of copy error, TeraCopy will try several times

and in the worse case just skips the file, not terminating the entire

transfer.

* Interactive file list. TeraCopy shows failed file transfers and lets

you fix the problem and recopy only problem files.

* Shell integration. TeraCopy can completely replace Explorer copy and

move functions, allowing you work with files as usual.

* Full Unicode support.

If you find that one of them works significantly faster please let us

know the numbers.

Thanks,

Mike

March 5, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

Hello!

"Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com...

> Word and Win98SE problems

> 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double

> clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to

> open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

>

> 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With

> an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But

> with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

>

> (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)

1. Uninstall anti virus and test again

2. Disable spell checking in Word

BTW, does the file that opens slowly has many objects

(for example: formulas)?

Regards, Roman

P.S What antivirus do you use, maybe NOD32 ???

March 5, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

"Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com...

> Word and Win98SE problems

>

> I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically

> 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60

> Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create

> these files)

>

> On copying and pasting:

>

> a) Nothing happens for around a minute

> b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'

> c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'

> d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to

> 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

>

> Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

What version Office/Word? Just a WAG, but something worth trying is to

disable Find Fast. The fact that renaming the file to *.tmp "fixes" the problem,

suggests that Office underfootware may be to blame.

OFF97: How to Disable the Find Fast Indexer

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=158705&sd=RMVP

March 5, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

"Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message

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| Word and Win98SE problems

|

| I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically

| 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60

| Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create

| these files)

|

| There are two interesting problems:

|

| 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double

| clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to

| open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures, formatting

[type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the

number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents which

contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like, are

considered complex.

|

| 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With

| an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But

| with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

|

| On copying and pasting:

|

| a) Nothing happens for around a minute

| b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'

| c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'

| d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to

| 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

|

| Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

|

| Any ideas welcome.

|

| (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)

| Graham

PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and

'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it.

Also it would be conducive to know:

The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and whether

you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger Office

package.

Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both located

in StartUp}

And your present update status of Windows 98SE.

There a number of other potential issues that may be involved including:

large number of other startup/running apps; fragmentation statue of the

drives; networking; browser dlls in use; other system dlls, and shell32.

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

_________

March 5, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

MEB wrote:

> "Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message

> news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com...

> | Word and Win98SE problems

> |

> | I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically

> | 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60

> | Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create

> | these files)

> |

> | There are two interesting problems:

> |

> | 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double

> | clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to

> | open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

>

> Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures, formatting

> [type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the

> number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents which

> contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like, are

> considered complex.

>

> |

> | 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With

> | an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But

> | with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

> |

> | On copying and pasting:

> |

> | a) Nothing happens for around a minute

> | b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'

> | c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'

> | d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to

> | 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

> |

> | Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

> |

> | Any ideas welcome.

> |

> | (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)

> | Graham

>

> PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and

> 'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it.

> Also it would be conducive to know:

> The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and whether

> you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger Office

> package.

> Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both located

> in StartUp}

> And your present update status of Windows 98SE.

>

> There a number of other potential issues that may be involved including:

> large number of other startup/running apps; fragmentation statue of the

> drives; networking; browser dlls in use; other system dlls, and shell32.

http://wordtips.vitalnews.com/Pages/T001328_Word_Slow_to_Open_Documents.html

http://www.omgili.com/newsgroups/microsoft/public/word/application/errors/6B7C0BA9-CB35-4B57-AE9D-16A74ABB1906microsoftcom.html&q=Loading+Word+document+-inforum:yahoo.com+-inforum:yedda.com

(last msg)

March 5, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

"mscir" <mscir@none.com> wrote in message

news:fqlkj601h04@enews2.newsguy.com...

| MEB wrote:

| > "Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message

| > news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com...

| > | Word and Win98SE problems

| > |

| > | I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically

| > | 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60

| > | Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create

| > | these files)

| > |

| > | There are two interesting problems:

| > |

| > | 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double

| > | clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to

| > | open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

| >

| > Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures,

formatting

| > [type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the

| > number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents

which

| > contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like,

are

| > considered complex.

| >

| > |

| > | 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With

| > | an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But

| > | with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

| > |

| > | On copying and pasting:

| > |

| > | a) Nothing happens for around a minute

| > | b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'

| > | c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'

| > | d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to

| > | 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

| > |

| > | Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

| > |

| > | Any ideas welcome.

| > |

| > | (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)

| > | Graham

| >

| > PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and

| > 'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it.

| > Also it would be conducive to know:

| > The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and

whether

| > you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger

Office

| > package.

| > Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both

located

| > in StartUp}

| > And your present update status of Windows 98SE.

| >

| > There a number of other potential issues that may be involved

including:

| > large number of other startup/running apps; fragmentation status of the

| > drives; networking; browser dlls in use; other system dlls, and shell32.

|

http://wordtips.vitalnews.com/Pages/T001328_Word_Slow_to_Open_Documents.html

|

http://www.omgili.com/newsgroups/microsoft/public/word/application/errors/6B7C0BA9-CB35-4B57-AE9D-16A74ABB1906microsoftcom.html&q=Loading+Word+document+-inforum:yahoo.com+-inforum:yedda.com

| (last msg)

|

Both of those provide some good information, as far as they go... but

individual systems and usage determine the particular issues that may be

involved.

For instance: some have found that even though no errors are occurring at

Word startup, when they delete the normal dot, after it rebuilds they might

find that documents are handled faster; others have found that turning off

document tracking and other document specific 'protections and monitoring'

also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment]; others {and myself}

have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load times;

disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times; etc.. so any

number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's needs

and/or document.

However, these are determined on an individual basis,,, examples: Some NEED

document tracking and synchronization turned on when more than one party is

modifying a specific document so there aren't multiple instances/versions of

the same areas modified. Additionally, if say, an Excel file was used and it

included need to auto check for an updated table, that would be checked and

would slow the document load as an updated table was searched for.

Moreover, as Office applications embed themselves deeply into the user's

system, configurations of the programs CAN have a significant impact on the

entire system, particularly as they *communicate* with themselves and other

applications [such as when moving or copying files], so here again are

potential issues,,, and, perhaps, another application has reset or modified

an original Office application setting or registry entry, or replaced one of

its files. These can also have significant impact..

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

_________

March 5, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

TYPOS -

| also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment]; others {and myself}

| have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load times;

| disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times; etc.. so any

| number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's needs

| and/or document.

The above "increase" or "increased" should be "decrease" or "decreased"

{now where was it that I put my brain today}

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

_________

March 6, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> TYPOS -

> | also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment]; others {and

myself}

> | have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load

times;

> | disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times; etc.. so

any

> | number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's

needs

> | and/or document.

>

> The above "increase" or "increased" should be "decrease" or

"decreased"

> {now where was it that I put my brain today}

> --

>

> MEB

> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> _________

>

Funny! Helpful tips BTW

I got one DOC file which began to suddenly load slowly, back to loading

in an instant.

March 6, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

"none" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message

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| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:uTRpdvxfIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| > TYPOS -

| > | also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment]; others {and

| myself}

| > | have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load

| times;

| > | disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times; etc.. so

| any

| > | number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's

| needs

| > | and/or document.

| >

| > The above "increase" or "increased" should be "decrease" or

| "decreased"

| > {now where was it that I put my brain today}

| > --

| >

| > MEB

| > _________

| >

|

| Funny! Helpful tips BTW

|

| I got one DOC file which began to suddenly load slowly, back to loading

| in an instant.

|

That's good, makes writing these things seem worthwhile..

After the above corrections,,,

I forgot to mention is that if auto spelling check and replacement, and

other "check' tools [modifications-track changes; readability statistics;

auto: word replacement - grammar - thesaurus; specific format style like

"formal" applied on a regular document; large number and/or size of

dictionaries used {this one can be a real loading hit}; etc.] are enabled,

large documents will be extremely slow loading as every document will be

auto checked upon opening and/or as it is converted {note the little open

book with the pencil furiously scribbling at the bottom}. So slow that Word

may appear to freeze while it works on the document [sometimes it does

actually freeze if there is too much to do, or really large document

contains to many errors.].

Documents being multiple reviewed/modified, should have their document

settings saved with the document properties to ensure all modifiers are

using the same standards..

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

_________

March 6, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:46:53 +0000, Graham C

<grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote:

Thanks for the usueful hints so far guys. I'll start investigating.

In the meantime, an update.

Win98SE has 'all updates'

Office 97 PRO has SP1 and SP2

Fast Find - no chance whatsoever!

OSA - no chance whatsoever!

Currently everything removed from 'startup' via MSCONFIG

(because of another weirdo - there will be a new thread soon !)

Interestingly the large Word file which takes for ever to open

came from a colleague. It opens 'instantly' on his machine, but

on his son's PC (much later, faster, more RAM) it takes several

minutes to open. Both run XP and Word 97.

I looked at TeraCopy, but unfortunately it's XP/Vista only

I note today that there are complaints that Vista SP1 has failed

to fix the bug that 'large files take for ever to copy'!

No change there then.

Graham

March 10, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:21:56 -0800, none <""mscir\"@(none)"> wrote:

>

>did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a

>lot less overhead involved.

>

>Mike

Good idea

From a DOS Box, or from Win98 in Safe Mode a 15 meg file copies in a

under 10 seconds.

In Win98 normal it just crashed Windows every time

I then tried the 15 meg auto backup of the Doc file ( a .WBK

extension)

In Win98 normal it copied in a couple of seconds

I then renamed the .WBK to a .DOC and tried again - Windows locked

solid.

My current solution for copying these large DOC files (I've got dozens

of them) is to global rename them to .TMPs using ZTree, copy them,

then global rename to DOCs again.

A bit tedious - Apple Macs are beginning to sound appealing.

(Also tried Winzipping a big DOC file, again it locked up windows)

So What's up (with) DOC !

Graham

March 27, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

Graham C wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:21:56 -0800, none <""mscir\"@(none)"> wrote:

>

>>

>> did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a

>> lot less overhead involved.

>>

>> Mike

>

> Good idea

>

> From a DOS Box, or from Win98 in Safe Mode a 15 meg file copies in a

> under 10 seconds.

>

> In Win98 normal it just crashed Windows every time

>

> I then tried the 15 meg auto backup of the Doc file ( a .WBK

> extension)

> In Win98 normal it copied in a couple of seconds

> I then renamed the .WBK to a .DOC and tried again - Windows locked

> solid.

> My current solution for copying these large DOC files (I've got dozens

> of them) is to global rename them to .TMPs using ZTree, copy them,

> then global rename to DOCs again.

> A bit tedious - Apple Macs are beginning to sound appealing.

> (Also tried Winzipping a big DOC file, again it locked up windows)

> So What's up (with) DOC !

> Graham

Sheesh, those are strange problems !

Would it be possible to write a batch file to do the rename, copy,

rename operations? I mean, are the files conveniently placed so every

doc file in the target folders gets copied?

Or if not a batch file this is a job Visual Basic could do really

easily. You don't happen to program in VB do you?

Mike

March 27, 2008

Re: Large Word files and 98SE

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:36:24 -0700, mscir <mscir@none.com> put finger

to keyboard and composed:

>Graham C wrote:

>> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:21:56 -0800, none <""mscir\"@(none)"> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a

>>> lot less overhead involved.

>>>

>>> Mike

>>

>> Good idea

>>

>> From a DOS Box, or from Win98 in Safe Mode a 15 meg file copies in a

>> under 10 seconds.

>>

>> In Win98 normal it just crashed Windows every time

>>

>> I then tried the 15 meg auto backup of the Doc file ( a .WBK

>> extension)

>> In Win98 normal it copied in a couple of seconds

>> I then renamed the .WBK to a .DOC and tried again - Windows locked

>> solid.

>> My current solution for copying these large DOC files (I've got dozens

>> of them) is to global rename them to .TMPs using ZTree, copy them,

>> then global rename to DOCs again.

>> A bit tedious - Apple Macs are beginning to sound appealing.

>> (Also tried Winzipping a big DOC file, again it locked up windows)

>> So What's up (with) DOC !

>> Graham

>

>Sheesh, those are strange problems !

>

>Would it be possible to write a batch file to do the rename, copy,

>rename operations? I mean, are the files conveniently placed so every

>doc file in the target folders gets copied?

>

>Or if not a batch file this is a job Visual Basic could do really

>easily. You don't happen to program in VB do you?

>

>Mike

The OP states that large .doc files copy in seconds in a DOS box.

I'd go to Start > Run and type ...

command /c copy /y c:\old_path\*.doc d:\new_path

.... or, if you want the command window to remain open, type ...

command /k copy /y c:\old_path\*.doc d:\new_path

.... and then type "exit" to quit.

Alternatively you could write a simple DOS .bat file to do the above.

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