Guest Graham C Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 Word and Win98SE problems I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60 Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create these files) There are two interesting problems: 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold. 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg: On copying and pasting: a) Nothing happens for around a minute b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left' c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left' d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up. Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds. Any ideas welcome. (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests) Graham
Guest none Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE Graham C wrote: > Word and Win98SE problems > > I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically > 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60 > Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create > these files) > > There are two interesting problems: > > 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double > clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to > open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold. > > 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With > an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But > with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg: > > On copying and pasting: > > a) Nothing happens for around a minute > b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left' > c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left' > d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to > 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up. > > Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds. > > Any ideas welcome. > > (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests) > Graham Graham, did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a lot less overhead involved. Mike
Guest none Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE Graham C wrote: > Word and Win98SE problems > > I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically > 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60 > Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create > these files) > > There are two interesting problems: > > 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double > clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to > open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold. > > 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With > an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But > with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg: > > On copying and pasting: > > a) Nothing happens for around a minute > b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left' > c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left' > d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to > 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up. > > Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds. > > Any ideas welcome. > > (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests) > Graham Here are some other ideas: http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000619.htm http://lifehacker.com/software/featured-windows-download/speed-up-file-copying-with-teracopy-263492.php http://www.copyhandler.com/en/downloads/index.php http://supercopier.sfxteam.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=1&sel_lang=english&PHPSESSID=317c193de57ecc49f8f3ad6b154abc29 http://www.codesector.com/teracopy.php Copy your files faster and easier TeraCopy is a compact program designed to copy and move files at the maximum possible speed, providing the user a lot of features: * Copy files faster. TeraCopy uses dynamically adjusted buffers to reduce seek times. Asynchronous copy speeds up file transfer between two physical hard drives. * Pause and resume file transfers. Pause copy process at any time to free up system resources and continue with a single click. * Error recovery. In case of copy error, TeraCopy will try several times and in the worse case just skips the file, not terminating the entire transfer. * Interactive file list. TeraCopy shows failed file transfers and lets you fix the problem and recopy only problem files. * Shell integration. TeraCopy can completely replace Explorer copy and move functions, allowing you work with files as usual. * Full Unicode support. If you find that one of them works significantly faster please let us know the numbers. Thanks, Mike
Guest roman modic Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE Hello! "Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com... > Word and Win98SE problems > 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double > clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to > open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold. > > 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With > an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But > with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg: > > (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests) 1. Uninstall anti virus and test again 2. Disable spell checking in Word BTW, does the file that opens slowly has many objects (for example: formulas)? Regards, Roman P.S What antivirus do you use, maybe NOD32 ???
Guest Bill Blanton Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE "Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com... > Word and Win98SE problems > > I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically > 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60 > Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create > these files) > > On copying and pasting: > > a) Nothing happens for around a minute > b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left' > c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left' > d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to > 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up. > > Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds. What version Office/Word? Just a WAG, but something worth trying is to disable Find Fast. The fact that renaming the file to *.tmp "fixes" the problem, suggests that Office underfootware may be to blame. OFF97: How to Disable the Find Fast Indexer http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=158705&sd=RMVP
Guest MEB Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE "Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com... | Word and Win98SE problems | | I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically | 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60 | Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create | these files) | | There are two interesting problems: | | 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double | clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to | open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold. Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures, formatting [type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents which contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like, are considered complex. | | 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With | an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But | with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg: | | On copying and pasting: | | a) Nothing happens for around a minute | b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left' | c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left' | d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to | 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up. | | Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds. | | Any ideas welcome. | | (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests) | Graham PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and 'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it. Also it would be conducive to know: The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and whether you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger Office package. Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both located in StartUp} And your present update status of Windows 98SE. There a number of other potential issues that may be involved including: large number of other startup/running apps; fragmentation statue of the drives; networking; browser dlls in use; other system dlls, and shell32. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________
Guest mscir Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE MEB wrote: > "Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message > news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com... > | Word and Win98SE problems > | > | I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically > | 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60 > | Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create > | these files) > | > | There are two interesting problems: > | > | 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double > | clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to > | open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold. > > Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures, formatting > [type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the > number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents which > contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like, are > considered complex. > > | > | 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With > | an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But > | with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg: > | > | On copying and pasting: > | > | a) Nothing happens for around a minute > | b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left' > | c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left' > | d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to > | 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up. > | > | Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds. > | > | Any ideas welcome. > | > | (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests) > | Graham > > PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and > 'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it. > Also it would be conducive to know: > The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and whether > you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger Office > package. > Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both located > in StartUp} > And your present update status of Windows 98SE. > > There a number of other potential issues that may be involved including: > large number of other startup/running apps; fragmentation statue of the > drives; networking; browser dlls in use; other system dlls, and shell32. http://wordtips.vitalnews.com/Pages/T001328_Word_Slow_to_Open_Documents.html http://www.omgili.com/newsgroups/microsoft/public/word/application/errors/6B7C0BA9-CB35-4B57-AE9D-16A74ABB1906microsoftcom.html&q=Loading+Word+document+-inforum:yahoo.com+-inforum:yedda.com (last msg)
Guest MEB Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE "mscir" <mscir@none.com> wrote in message news:fqlkj601h04@enews2.newsguy.com... | MEB wrote: | > "Graham C" <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote in message | > news:76krs3locsvg154marco2oocu89i033mmc@4ax.com... | > | Word and Win98SE problems | > | | > | I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically | > | 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60 | > | Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create | > | these files) | > | | > | There are two interesting problems: | > | | > | 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double | > | clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to | > | open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold. | > | > Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures, formatting | > [type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the | > number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents which | > contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like, are | > considered complex. | > | > | | > | 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With | > | an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But | > | with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg: | > | | > | On copying and pasting: | > | | > | a) Nothing happens for around a minute | > | b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left' | > | c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left' | > | d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to | > | 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up. | > | | > | Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds. | > | | > | Any ideas welcome. | > | | > | (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests) | > | Graham | > | > PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and | > 'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it. | > Also it would be conducive to know: | > The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and whether | > you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger Office | > package. | > Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both located | > in StartUp} | > And your present update status of Windows 98SE. | > | > There a number of other potential issues that may be involved including: | > large number of other startup/running apps; fragmentation status of the | > drives; networking; browser dlls in use; other system dlls, and shell32. | | http://wordtips.vitalnews.com/Pages/T001328_Word_Slow_to_Open_Documents.html | | http://www.omgili.com/newsgroups/microsoft/public/word/application/errors/6B7C0BA9-CB35-4B57-AE9D-16A74ABB1906microsoftcom.html&q=Loading+Word+document+-inforum:yahoo.com+-inforum:yedda.com | (last msg) | Both of those provide some good information, as far as they go... but individual systems and usage determine the particular issues that may be involved. For instance: some have found that even though no errors are occurring at Word startup, when they delete the normal dot, after it rebuilds they might find that documents are handled faster; others have found that turning off document tracking and other document specific 'protections and monitoring' also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment]; others {and myself} have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load times; disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times; etc.. so any number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's needs and/or document. However, these are determined on an individual basis,,, examples: Some NEED document tracking and synchronization turned on when more than one party is modifying a specific document so there aren't multiple instances/versions of the same areas modified. Additionally, if say, an Excel file was used and it included need to auto check for an updated table, that would be checked and would slow the document load as an updated table was searched for. Moreover, as Office applications embed themselves deeply into the user's system, configurations of the programs CAN have a significant impact on the entire system, particularly as they *communicate* with themselves and other applications [such as when moving or copying files], so here again are potential issues,,, and, perhaps, another application has reset or modified an original Office application setting or registry entry, or replaced one of its files. These can also have significant impact.. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________
Guest MEB Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE TYPOS - | also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment]; others {and myself} | have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load times; | disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times; etc.. so any | number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's needs | and/or document. The above "increase" or "increased" should be "decrease" or "decreased" {now where was it that I put my brain today} -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________
Guest none Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uTRpdvxfIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > TYPOS - > | also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment]; others {and myself} > | have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load times; > | disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times; etc.. so any > | number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's needs > | and/or document. > > The above "increase" or "increased" should be "decrease" or "decreased" > {now where was it that I put my brain today} > -- > > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > _________ > > Funny! Helpful tips BTW I got one DOC file which began to suddenly load slowly, back to loading in an instant.
Guest MEB Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE "none" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message news:%23uyXeS7fIHA.5624@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:uTRpdvxfIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > TYPOS - | > | also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment]; others {and | myself} | > | have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load | times; | > | disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times; etc.. so | any | > | number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's | needs | > | and/or document. | > | > The above "increase" or "increased" should be "decrease" or | "decreased" | > {now where was it that I put my brain today} | > -- | > | > MEB | > _________ | > | > | | Funny! Helpful tips BTW | | I got one DOC file which began to suddenly load slowly, back to loading | in an instant. | That's good, makes writing these things seem worthwhile.. After the above corrections,,, I forgot to mention is that if auto spelling check and replacement, and other "check' tools [modifications-track changes; readability statistics; auto: word replacement - grammar - thesaurus; specific format style like "formal" applied on a regular document; large number and/or size of dictionaries used {this one can be a real loading hit}; etc.] are enabled, large documents will be extremely slow loading as every document will be auto checked upon opening and/or as it is converted {note the little open book with the pencil furiously scribbling at the bottom}. So slow that Word may appear to freeze while it works on the document [sometimes it does actually freeze if there is too much to do, or really large document contains to many errors.]. Documents being multiple reviewed/modified, should have their document settings saved with the document properties to ensure all modifiers are using the same standards.. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________
Guest Graham C Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:46:53 +0000, Graham C <grahamcrisp@btopenworld.com> wrote: Thanks for the usueful hints so far guys. I'll start investigating. In the meantime, an update. Win98SE has 'all updates' Office 97 PRO has SP1 and SP2 Fast Find - no chance whatsoever! OSA - no chance whatsoever! Currently everything removed from 'startup' via MSCONFIG (because of another weirdo - there will be a new thread soon !) Interestingly the large Word file which takes for ever to open came from a colleague. It opens 'instantly' on his machine, but on his son's PC (much later, faster, more RAM) it takes several minutes to open. Both run XP and Word 97. I looked at TeraCopy, but unfortunately it's XP/Vista only I note today that there are complaints that Vista SP1 has failed to fix the bug that 'large files take for ever to copy'! No change there then. Graham
Guest Graham C Posted March 10, 2008 Posted March 10, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:21:56 -0800, none <""mscir\"@(none)"> wrote: > > >did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a >lot less overhead involved. > >Mike Good idea From a DOS Box, or from Win98 in Safe Mode a 15 meg file copies in a under 10 seconds. In Win98 normal it just crashed Windows every time I then tried the 15 meg auto backup of the Doc file ( a .WBK extension) In Win98 normal it copied in a couple of seconds I then renamed the .WBK to a .DOC and tried again - Windows locked solid. My current solution for copying these large DOC files (I've got dozens of them) is to global rename them to .TMPs using ZTree, copy them, then global rename to DOCs again. A bit tedious - Apple Macs are beginning to sound appealing. (Also tried Winzipping a big DOC file, again it locked up windows) So What's up (with) DOC ! Graham
Guest mscir Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE Graham C wrote: > On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:21:56 -0800, none <""mscir\"@(none)"> wrote: > >> >> did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a >> lot less overhead involved. >> >> Mike > > Good idea > > From a DOS Box, or from Win98 in Safe Mode a 15 meg file copies in a > under 10 seconds. > > In Win98 normal it just crashed Windows every time > > I then tried the 15 meg auto backup of the Doc file ( a .WBK > extension) > In Win98 normal it copied in a couple of seconds > I then renamed the .WBK to a .DOC and tried again - Windows locked > solid. > My current solution for copying these large DOC files (I've got dozens > of them) is to global rename them to .TMPs using ZTree, copy them, > then global rename to DOCs again. > A bit tedious - Apple Macs are beginning to sound appealing. > (Also tried Winzipping a big DOC file, again it locked up windows) > So What's up (with) DOC ! > Graham Sheesh, those are strange problems ! Would it be possible to write a batch file to do the rename, copy, rename operations? I mean, are the files conveniently placed so every doc file in the target folders gets copied? Or if not a batch file this is a job Visual Basic could do really easily. You don't happen to program in VB do you? Mike
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Re: Large Word files and 98SE On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:36:24 -0700, mscir <mscir@none.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Graham C wrote: >> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:21:56 -0800, none <""mscir\"@(none)"> wrote: >> >>> >>> did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a >>> lot less overhead involved. >>> >>> Mike >> >> Good idea >> >> From a DOS Box, or from Win98 in Safe Mode a 15 meg file copies in a >> under 10 seconds. >> >> In Win98 normal it just crashed Windows every time >> >> I then tried the 15 meg auto backup of the Doc file ( a .WBK >> extension) >> In Win98 normal it copied in a couple of seconds >> I then renamed the .WBK to a .DOC and tried again - Windows locked >> solid. >> My current solution for copying these large DOC files (I've got dozens >> of them) is to global rename them to .TMPs using ZTree, copy them, >> then global rename to DOCs again. >> A bit tedious - Apple Macs are beginning to sound appealing. >> (Also tried Winzipping a big DOC file, again it locked up windows) >> So What's up (with) DOC ! >> Graham > >Sheesh, those are strange problems ! > >Would it be possible to write a batch file to do the rename, copy, >rename operations? I mean, are the files conveniently placed so every >doc file in the target folders gets copied? > >Or if not a batch file this is a job Visual Basic could do really >easily. You don't happen to program in VB do you? > >Mike The OP states that large .doc files copy in seconds in a DOS box. I'd go to Start > Run and type ... command /c copy /y c:\old_path\*.doc d:\new_path .... or, if you want the command window to remain open, type ... command /k copy /y c:\old_path\*.doc d:\new_path .... and then type "exit" to quit. Alternatively you could write a simple DOS .bat file to do the above. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
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