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My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

 

Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions seem to

differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

issues.

 

The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know from this

group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with the technical

stuff.

 

Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

 

Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

 

Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

 

Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

 

Any other options?

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Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

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Note: Windows 2003 doc attached. Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

Note: Windows 2003 doc attached. Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

An OEM license is valid only for the computer on which it came preinstalled

so you cannot use the cd and product key for your old computer on the new

computer. You do indeed own a coaster. Whether it would even install on

another computer is easy enough to test using a virtual machine under VPC

2007 (free for the download from MS). Some OEM cd's will only install on

the machines they come with.

 

Whether you can run XP effectively on the new computer depends on the

availability of XP drivers and utilities from the manufacturer. Many new

computers are not supported for XP. Just Vista. You need to check the

manufacturer's website to determine whether the mfg is supporting XP on your

new computer. If so, you can purchase a system builder copy of XP Pro from

NewEgg for $140 and download the drivers and software from the computer

manufacturer's website.

 

One solution for running XP and Vista on a laptop is VPC. Rather than dual

booting XP Pro and Vista (which has its own set of issues) consider running

XP on your Vista desktop first to see if you can do the XP things you like

that way. If you do dual boot XP and Vista, be sure to follow the

instructions in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185. I have attached a

walk-through paper for your convenience.

 

"Recursive Error" <smartin108@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:170946fa-d31c-4cd5-8066-40a84c41e9d2@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

> that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

>

> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions seem to

> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

> issues.

>

> The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know from this

> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

> ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with the technical

> stuff.

>

> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

>

> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

>

> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

>

> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

>

> Any other options?

Guest Jim

Guest Jim

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Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

You may want to ask HP if they provide WinXP setup CD so you can chose what

OS to use on your new machine. I heard IBM allows customers to downgrade to

XP. I got a Compaq PC that came with both Win2000Pro and WinXP Pro setup CDs

back in 2002 (if I remember correctly) when WinXP first came out.

 

 

"Recursive Error" <smartin108@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:170946fa-d31c-4cd5-8066-40a84c41e9d2@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

> that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

>

> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions seem to

> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

> issues.

>

> The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know from this

> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

> ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with the technical

> stuff.

>

> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

>

> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

>

> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

>

> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

>

> Any other options?

Guest HeyBub

Guest HeyBub

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Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

Recursive Error wrote:

>

> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

 

Legally? No.

>

> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

 

You can deny EULA, but then you'd have nothing.

>

> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

 

Legally, no.

>

> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

 

Legally, yes.

>

> Any other options?

 

Ask that your computer come loaded with XP.

Guest Alias

Guest Alias

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Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

Recursive Error wrote:

> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

> that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

>

> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions seem to

> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

> issues.

>

> The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know from this

> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

> ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with the technical

> stuff.

>

> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

>

> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

>

> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

>

> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

>

> Any other options?

 

Dell sells computers with XP. Go to their web site and look for Business

Desktops. Your CD is probably just a coaster being as it was made for a

lap top if it, indeed, is branded. If it is a generic OEM XP, you can do

it and it will activate online, be genuine at Windows Updates but

Microsoft won't like it and nor will the MS fanboys here.

 

Alias

Guest LVTravel

Guest LVTravel

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Re: Windows 2003 doc attached. Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

Re: Windows 2003 doc attached. Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

Colin, please correct me if I am wrong but in reading the

system requirements for Virtual PC, apparently the operating

systems that it can be installed on are only those that can

be classified as pro versions (XP Pro, Vista Ultimate, XP

Server, etc.) Have you, or anyone else, tried to run it on

a XP Home or Vista Home system and what was the outcome of

that endeavor?

 

 

 

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:F27F8FCD-68CD-4200-A729-0147F82F4701@microsoft.com...

> An OEM license is valid only for the computer on which it

> came preinstalled

> so you cannot use the cd and product key for your old

> computer on the new

> computer. You do indeed own a coaster. Whether it would

> even install on

> another computer is easy enough to test using a virtual

> machine under VPC

> 2007 (free for the download from MS). Some OEM cd's will

> only install on

> the machines they come with.

>

> Whether you can run XP effectively on the new computer

> depends on the

> availability of XP drivers and utilities from the

> manufacturer. Many new

> computers are not supported for XP. Just Vista. You need

> to check the

> manufacturer's website to determine whether the mfg is

> supporting XP on your

> new computer. If so, you can purchase a system builder

> copy of XP Pro from

> NewEgg for $140 and download the drivers and software from

> the computer

> manufacturer's website.

>

> One solution for running XP and Vista on a laptop is VPC.

> Rather than dual

> booting XP Pro and Vista (which has its own set of issues)

> consider running

> XP on your Vista desktop first to see if you can do the XP

> things you like

> that way. If you do dual boot XP and Vista, be sure to

> follow the

> instructions in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185. I

> have attached a

> walk-through paper for your convenience.

>

> "Recursive Error" <smartin108@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:170946fa-d31c-4cd5-8066-40a84c41e9d2@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

>> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have

>> the HP

>> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with

>> an HP PC")

>> that came with the laptop and the product key from the

>> sticker on the

>> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am

>> looking to buy

>> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also

>> from HP) but

>> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to

>> reformat the

>> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

>>

>> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to

>> say I'm not

>> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions

>> seem to

>> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and

>> technical

>> issues.

>>

>> The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know

>> from this

>> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no

>> matter how

>> ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with

>> the technical

>> stuff.

>>

>> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP

>> Pro?

>>

>> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

>>

>> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

>>

>> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

>>

>> Any other options?

>

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows 2003 doc attached. Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

Re: Windows 2003 doc attached. Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

VPC can be installed and run on all the home editions. It just isn't

supported on them. That is, VPC on a home edition is not eligible for MS

phone and email support.

 

Lots of folks run VPC on XP Home, Vista Home Basic, and Vista Home Premium.

 

"LVTravel" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message

news:eNZHoXIgIHA.5036@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Colin, please correct me if I am wrong but in reading the system

> requirements for Virtual PC, apparently the operating systems that it can

> be installed on are only those that can be classified as pro versions (XP

> Pro, Vista Ultimate, XP Server, etc.) Have you, or anyone else, tried to

> run it on a XP Home or Vista Home system and what was the outcome of that

> endeavor?

>

>

>

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:F27F8FCD-68CD-4200-A729-0147F82F4701@microsoft.com...

>> An OEM license is valid only for the computer on which it came

>> preinstalled

>> so you cannot use the cd and product key for your old computer on the new

>> computer. You do indeed own a coaster. Whether it would even install

>> on

>> another computer is easy enough to test using a virtual machine under VPC

>> 2007 (free for the download from MS). Some OEM cd's will only install on

>> the machines they come with.

>>

>> Whether you can run XP effectively on the new computer depends on the

>> availability of XP drivers and utilities from the manufacturer. Many new

>> computers are not supported for XP. Just Vista. You need to check the

>> manufacturer's website to determine whether the mfg is supporting XP on

>> your

>> new computer. If so, you can purchase a system builder copy of XP Pro

>> from

>> NewEgg for $140 and download the drivers and software from the computer

>> manufacturer's website.

>>

>> One solution for running XP and Vista on a laptop is VPC. Rather than

>> dual

>> booting XP Pro and Vista (which has its own set of issues) consider

>> running

>> XP on your Vista desktop first to see if you can do the XP things you

>> like

>> that way. If you do dual boot XP and Vista, be sure to follow the

>> instructions in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185. I have attached

>> a

>> walk-through paper for your convenience.

>>

>> "Recursive Error" <smartin108@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:170946fa-d31c-4cd5-8066-40a84c41e9d2@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

>>> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

>>> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

>>> that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

>>> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

>>> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

>>> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

>>> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

>>>

>>> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

>>> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions seem to

>>> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

>>> issues.

>>>

>>> The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know from this

>>> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

>>> ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with the technical

>>> stuff.

>>>

>>> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

>>>

>>> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

>>>

>>> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

>>>

>>> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

>>>

>>> Any other options?

>>

>

>

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
Posted

Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

Encouraging other users to stay in compliance to the End User License

Agreement is not being a "fan."

 

"Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

news:udAP3THgIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Recursive Error wrote:

>> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

>> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

>> that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

>> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

>> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

>> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

>> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

>>

>> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

>> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions seem to

>> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

>> issues.

>>

>> The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know from this

>> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

>> ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with the technical

>> stuff.

>>

>> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

>>

>> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

>>

>> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

>>

>> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

>>

>> Any other options?

>

> Dell sells computers with XP. Go to their web site and look for Business

> Desktops. Your CD is probably just a coaster being as it was made for a

> lap top if it, indeed, is branded. If it is a generic OEM XP, you can do

> it and it will activate online, be genuine at Windows Updates but

> Microsoft won't like it and nor will the MS fanboys here.

>

> Alias

Guest Ken Blake, MVP

Guest Ken Blake, MVP

Posted
Posted

Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:02:34 -0800 (PST), Recursive Error

<smartin108@gmail.com> wrote:

> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

> that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

>

> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions seem to

> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

> issues.

 

 

That's correct. There are both licensing and technical issues:

 

The licensing issue: an OEM license permanently ties that copy of

Windows to the first computer it's installed on. It can never legally

be moved to another computer, sold, or given away, except with that

computer.

 

The technical issue: most OEM copies that come pre-installed with a

brand-name computer are BIOS-locked to that motherboard and won't work

with another one unless it's exactly the same.

 

 

> The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know from this

> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

> ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with the technical

> stuff.

>

> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

 

 

No.

 

> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

 

 

No.

 

> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

 

 

No.

 

> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

 

 

Yes.

 

> Any other options?

 

 

Use Vista on your new laptop. Although it's different from XP, and

will take some getting used to, it's worth the effort. As long as you

get a computer with good-enough hardware for Vista (in particular, be

sure you get at least 2GB of RAM) it works very well.

 

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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Guest John

Guest John

Posted
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Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

Here's what I know. OEM license lives and dies with the computer it's

installed on. Period.

 

Most of your questions start with "Can I... blah blah". The answer depends

on the setup media CD/DVD. If it allows you to run setup on any machine, the

answer is Yes, you can. Is that legal? No, it isn't.

 

"Recursive Error" <smartin108@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:170946fa-d31c-4cd5-8066-40a84c41e9d2@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

> that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

>

> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions seem to

> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

> issues.

>

> The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know from this

> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

> ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with the technical

> stuff.

>

> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

>

> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

>

> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

>

> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

>

> Any other options?

Guest LVTravel

Guest LVTravel

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows 2003 doc attached. Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

Re: Windows 2003 doc attached. Re: Another Stolen Laptop Question

 

Thanks. Haven't tried it on Home but, as I said the web site said it.

Wanted to get the word from someone who knows before I did screw up the

system (even with proper backups.).

 

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:B1B8879A-1F8A-4333-812F-996289C8ECEE@microsoft.com...

> VPC can be installed and run on all the home editions. It just isn't

> supported on them. That is, VPC on a home edition is not eligible for MS

> phone and email support.

>

> Lots of folks run VPC on XP Home, Vista Home Basic, and Vista Home

> Premium.

>

> "LVTravel" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message

> news:eNZHoXIgIHA.5036@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Colin, please correct me if I am wrong but in reading the system

>> requirements for Virtual PC, apparently the operating systems that it can

>> be installed on are only those that can be classified as pro versions (XP

>> Pro, Vista Ultimate, XP Server, etc.) Have you, or anyone else, tried to

>> run it on a XP Home or Vista Home system and what was the outcome of that

>> endeavor?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> news:F27F8FCD-68CD-4200-A729-0147F82F4701@microsoft.com...

>>> An OEM license is valid only for the computer on which it came

>>> preinstalled

>>> so you cannot use the cd and product key for your old computer on the

>>> new

>>> computer. You do indeed own a coaster. Whether it would even install

>>> on

>>> another computer is easy enough to test using a virtual machine under

>>> VPC

>>> 2007 (free for the download from MS). Some OEM cd's will only install

>>> on

>>> the machines they come with.

>>>

>>> Whether you can run XP effectively on the new computer depends on the

>>> availability of XP drivers and utilities from the manufacturer. Many

>>> new

>>> computers are not supported for XP. Just Vista. You need to check the

>>> manufacturer's website to determine whether the mfg is supporting XP on

>>> your

>>> new computer. If so, you can purchase a system builder copy of XP Pro

>>> from

>>> NewEgg for $140 and download the drivers and software from the computer

>>> manufacturer's website.

>>>

>>> One solution for running XP and Vista on a laptop is VPC. Rather than

>>> dual

>>> booting XP Pro and Vista (which has its own set of issues) consider

>>> running

>>> XP on your Vista desktop first to see if you can do the XP things you

>>> like

>>> that way. If you do dual boot XP and Vista, be sure to follow the

>>> instructions in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185. I have attached

>>> a

>>> walk-through paper for your convenience.

>>>

>>> "Recursive Error" <smartin108@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:170946fa-d31c-4cd5-8066-40a84c41e9d2@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

>>>> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

>>>> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

>>>> that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

>>>> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

>>>> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

>>>> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

>>>> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

>>>>

>>>> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

>>>> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions seem to

>>>> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

>>>> issues.

>>>>

>>>> The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know from this

>>>> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

>>>> ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with the technical

>>>> stuff.

>>>>

>>>> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

>>>>

>>>> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

>>>>

>>>> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

>>>>

>>>> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

>>>>

>>>> Any other options?

>>>

>>

>>

>

Guest Patrick Keenan

Guest Patrick Keenan

Posted
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"Recursive Error" <smartin108@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:170946fa-d31c-4cd5-8066-40a84c41e9d2@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

> that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

 

This is actually a bad idea, though it is true that to downgrade you would

have to wipe or replace the drive.

 

Instead, avoid all the hassles and get a system that ships with XP as an

option; there are *many*, in particular those targeted towards business

users. If HP doesn't offer them, Dell certainly does.

 

The technical problem is simple and critical. You may *never* be able to

get XP drivers for key components, and will wind up with an unusable system.

 

XP and Vista drivers are not interchangeable.

 

If you find a Vista system for which XP drivers are available, it's very

likely that it's also sold with XP installed instead of Vista. So why

bother with the hassle?

> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro.

 

You may be able to simply install it, but it will not be a legal license,

and it will not provide you with the drivers that you need right after you

install XP.

> A few opinions seem to

> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

> issues.

>

> The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know from this

> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

> ridiculous or impractical.

 

Your legal options don't exist. The XP license your disk is from is with

the stolen laptop. The license has beed stolen from you; you no longer

possess it. It may or may not be recovered, but that is immaterial to

re-use of that CD on any other system.

 

The license is represented by the installation of XP, not by the CD.

> I am willing to battle with the technical

> stuff.

 

It's not a battle remotely worth fighting when it's easy to find out in

advance whether you can win, and when doing that also identifies systems

that come with XP in the first place.

 

Get the right system. Don't waste your time and money.

 

> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

 

Formatting is necessary for a Vista downgrade.

>

> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

 

You have to wipe a Vista disk to perform a downgrade install. Denying the

Vista EULA will simply halt system configuration.

 

As to downgrade installs, no version of Vista with Home in the name supports

downgrade rights. These rights are basically restricted to Business and

Ultimate.

 

But, the downgrade does require *you* to provide the XP install media.

That disk may be useful in that context, because a new license will be

issued by MS, separate from the original, stolen license.

 

This, however, does not resolve any driver issues.

>

> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

 

Often, but you may need to install it *first*. Your Vista install media

may not support this; some start with wiping the drive.

 

> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

 

It may be of value to someone else with the same laptop as your stolen one

who has lost or damaged theirs, or as Vista downgrade media. I wouldn't

toss it.

>

> Any other options?

 

Just do it properly in the first place. Get a system with the OS you

actually need. This is *not* difficult to do.

 

HTH

-pk

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Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> Encouraging other users to stay in compliance to the End User License

> Agreement is not being a "fan."

 

Sorry, you won't like it either, although some would consider

"encouraging other users to stay in compliance to the EULA" as aiding

and abetting MS' license scam.

 

Alias

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:udAP3THgIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Recursive Error wrote:

>>> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

>>> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

>>> that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

>>> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

>>> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

>>> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

>>> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

>>>

>>> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

>>> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions seem to

>>> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

>>> issues.

>>>

>>> The licensing is what confuses me. I'm interested to know from this

>>> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

>>> ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with the technical

>>> stuff.

>>>

>>> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

>>>

>>> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

>>>

>>> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

>>>

>>> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

>>>

>>> Any other options?

>>

>> Dell sells computers with XP. Go to their web site and look for

>> Business Desktops. Your CD is probably just a coaster being as it was

>> made for a lap top if it, indeed, is branded. If it is a generic OEM

>> XP, you can do it and it will activate online, be genuine at Windows

>> Updates but Microsoft won't like it and nor will the MS fanboys here.

>>

>> Alias

>

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Recursive Error wrote:

> My HP Laptop with preloaded XP Pro was stolen. I do have the HP

> branded XP Pro install disk ("only for distribution with an HP PC")

> that came with the laptop and the product key from the sticker on the

> now stolen laptop. I got some insurance money and I am looking to buy

> a replacement computer (probably a desktop model, also from HP) but

> Vista is my only OS option. If possible, I would like to reformat the

> new PC using my old XP Pro disk.

>

> Most of the discussions surrounding this scenario seem to say I'm not

> able to use my old disk to install XP Pro. A few opinions seem to

> differ. I believe there are both licensing issues and technical

> issues.

>

 

That's correct.

 

> The licensing is what confuses me.

 

 

How so? It's quite straight-forward. An OEM version must be sold with

a piece of hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an

entire PC) and is _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which it's

installed. An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable

to another computer under _any_ circumstances.

 

> I'm interested to know from this

> group what my legal options are regarding the license, no matter how

> ridiculous or impractical. I am willing to battle with the technical

> stuff.

>

> Can I simply reformat the new HD an install my old XP Pro?

>

 

Not legally, and probably not technically, as the OEM WinXP CC will

have been BIOS-locked to the original computer as an anti-puiracy measure.

 

> Can I deny the Vista EULA and do the same?

>

 

No.

> Can I install my XP Pro in a dual OS environment?

>

 

No.

 

> Is my XP CD nothing more than a coaster now?

>

 

No. Your license to use it was stolen along with the laptop.

 

> Any other options?

 

 

Either purchase a new computer with WinXP, or purchase a retail WinXP

license to replace the OEM Vista license.

 

 

--

 

Bruce Chambers

 

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Thanks to all for your suggestions and comments. This has been very

educational!

Guest Mike C#

Guest Mike C#

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"Recursive Error" <smartin108@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Thanks to all for your suggestions and comments. This has been very

> educational!

 

No doubt. Who knew you had to pass the Bar Exam to be qualified to install

software?

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