Am I Missing Something?

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

It helps to have something usefull to say also. :)

 

"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> RajKohli <RajKohli@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

>>But I am amazed that till date I have not receive a single comment through

>>any MVP or Microsoft Group about my ranking in MVP. 106 helpful post are

>>not

>>enough to be recognized as an MVP or do I need to participate in other

>>activities? Am I missing something?

>

> You gotta LIVE here.

>

> And post until your eyes begin to bleed from staring at the monitor.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

There is nothing wrong with stating to one and all that you would like to be

an MVP. I'm sure one or two folks in this ng in a position to do so will

take a serious look because you spoke up. Good luck to you.

 

"RajKohli" <RajKohli@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Thanks to all of you for your time and suggestions.

>

> Especially, "VanguardLH" as I was accepting this kind of answer. You are

> right. I was here for MVP status. But not know.

>

> As the time passes, I started getting more interest helping others.

> Discussing their problems with my friends and what we can do to prevent

> errors. Finding ways to solve problems and there was a time when I was

> posting 10 to 20 post in a day.

>

> I am computer teacher and running a computer institution and I feel that

> whenever I login to Microsoft Newsgroup everyday I learn a new thing.

>

> Today, I ask this question because I have seen many MVPs who had helped

> only

> few peoples like 30 to 75 Rated Posts but they have the MVP status. Where

> as

> on today, I have 106 successful rated post out of 1794 posts (even 50 to

> 70

> successful post was not being rated) but still I have not received a

> single

> comment from any MVP.

>

> Today, I am not here just for MVP award. I am enjoying posting here. I

> will

> work harder and one day I will be called MVP. The city where I live nobody

> knows what a MVP is and nobody is interested to know. Can you imagine that

> post of people around me have learned Windows, Word, Excel, PowerPoint and

> Internet Explorer just in a month or two. So, how would they know what a

> MVP

> is? I don't want to show off anything to anyone. I am self employed and

> not

> going to apply for a job in near future too.

>

> The MVP award is just for my satisfaction only.

>

>

> "VanguardLH" wrote:

>

>> "RajKohli" <RajKohli@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:14D019BC-D722-4F97-BC3C-B1914C6BCD24@microsoft.com...

>> > This is for all the current MVPs and Microsoft Group

>> > =================================

>> >

>> > I am participation in Microsoft Windows XP and Office Newsgroup from

>> > last 2

>> > years. In this time period, I tried to help others through best of

>> > my

>> > knowledge. Please do not take me wrong as this was not just because

>> > I wanted

>> > to become MVP. In this time period I also have significant

>> > improvement in my

>> > knowledge.

>> >

>> > But I am amazed that till date I have not receive a single comment

>> > through

>> > any MVP or Microsoft Group about my ranking in MVP. 106 helpful post

>> > are not

>> > enough to be recognized as an MVP or do I need to participate in

>> > other

>> > activities? Am I missing something?

>> >

>> > Your responses in this regard will highly be appreciated.

>>

>>

>> Another MVP has to *nominate* you, and other MVPs choose to vote you

>> in. You can participate for years before getting nominated and it

>> depends on how beneficial you have been and how the nominator

>> perceives your help. Trying to earn points is not how you get to be

>> an MVP. In fact, because you have admitted trying to earn an MVP is

>> the very reason why you should not get one. Are you going to leave if

>> you don't get nominated? If so, you don't deserve the nomination.

>> That you think you deserve the MVP badge means you do not deserve it.

>> You participate because you want to, not to slap a shiny badge on your

>> moniker.

>>

>> An MVP wannabe that uses a webnews-for-dummies interface. Uh huh,

>> real MVP material there ... not!

>>

>> 106 posts. Geez, a extreme beginner that dreams of MVPdom. I just

>> honed my Xacto blade. Guess I'm a heart surgeon now. You will need

>> several THOUSAND posts and YEARS of participation unless your help was

>> super stellar (but not evidenced by your post here).

>>

>> Begging for the MVP badge should guarantee that you won't get it. And

>> from your low rate of participation, you definitely haven't earned

>> even a glimmer of nomination.

>>

>>

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

I see nothing wrong with his wanting to be an MVP and coming right out with

it. Nothing at all.

 

"RajKohli" <RajKohli@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> You say this is all about Testifying myself. Do I have that level of

> knowledge?

>

>

> "VanguardLH" wrote:

>

>> "RajKohli" <RajKohli@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:56B10D59-6718-4732-A418-DE5517704D8D@microsoft.com...

>> > Thanks to all of you for your time and suggestions.

>> >

>> > Especially, "VanguardLH" as I was accepting this kind of answer. You

>> > are

>> > right. I was here for MVP status. But not know.

>> >

>> > As the time passes, I started getting more interest helping others.

>> > Discussing their problems with my friends and what we can do to

>> > prevent

>> > errors. Finding ways to solve problems and there was a time when I

>> > was

>> > posting 10 to 20 post in a day.

>>

>>

>> Just come here to learn and help (when you can). You'd be surprised

>> how much information you can cull by either lurking or participating

>> in Usenet. Most come to ask a question and maybe answer a couple in

>> return for the help they got. Then they get hooked because it is a

>> community, an anarchy to be sure but still a community. You shouldn't

>> be concerned at getting a shiny MVP badge. If that is your goal, you

>> aren't here for the right reason(s).

>>

>>

[Guest HeyBub]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

RajKohli wrote:

> I am a Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP) and I have the

> certification which is duly signed by Mr. Bill Gates (actually scan

> and printed).

>

> You see peoples are around me, 50% of them have basic knowledge of

> Windows, Office and Internet but they don't know what MICROSOFT is.

> Some who knows about Microsoft and Bill Gates, they sometimes ask me

> that is that Bill Gates signatures and you know what:

>

> IT IS A: MEDAL OF HONOR: for me. Microsoft says "You are Certified

> Professional".

>

 

Oh.

 

Pity, that.

[Guest HeyBub]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> I see nothing wrong with his wanting to be an MVP and coming right

> out with it. Nothing at all.

>

 

Pity you feel that way. Anybody who strives for the praise of others is

deeply flawed.

 

That might be okay, since it's the results that count; but as a motivation,

well, that sucks.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

The MVP award is not praise, it is a designation of service to the Windows

community.

 

"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Colin Barnhorst wrote:

>> I see nothing wrong with his wanting to be an MVP and coming right

>> out with it. Nothing at all.

>>

>

> Pity you feel that way. Anybody who strives for the praise of others is

> deeply flawed.

>

> That might be okay, since it's the results that count; but as a

> motivation, well, that sucks.

>

[Guest Mike C#]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

 

"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Colin Barnhorst wrote:

>> I see nothing wrong with his wanting to be an MVP and coming right

>> out with it. Nothing at all.

>>

>

> Pity you feel that way. Anybody who strives for the praise of others is

> deeply flawed.

>

> That might be okay, since it's the results that count; but as a

> motivation, well, that sucks.

 

Different people are motivated by different things. Some people want money,

some people want good old fashioned recognition, others want other things.

As an example there are a lot of tech support folks at big software

companies who are willing to help you out, but if their employers stopped

giving them regular paychecks they would probably stop helping you. Some

might think that being motivated by money sucks, but most of us have to go

work for a paycheck regardless.

 

I don't think someone admitting that they are motivated by simple forms of

recognition is a bad thing. I can't speak on behalf of anyone else, but by

keeping the number of awards limited in number it might just make them seem

more desirable to some people. Is it planned that way? I obviously can't

say, but I couldn't fault someone for desiring a little recognition.

[Guest RajKohli]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

Thanks for your comments Mike. I really appreciate your thoughts.

 

I have a mix thoughts of like yours and VanguardLH.

 

As I already stated that I was here to be recognize as MVP but as time

passes I start getting more interest in helping peoples and getting more

knowledge about how I solve problems of others and what I can learn from them

too.

 

It is a coincidence that yesterday night I was watching a movie "The

Guardian", which was dedicated to United States Coast Guard. There was a

teacher and his best student. The teacher was there to save peoples lives and

the students was there to make new records to be recognized as best cost

guard. The student was counting how many lives he saved and the teacher was

counting how many he couldn't. The work of both of were same but the

motivation was different.

 

So as said by Mike, different peoples are motivated by different things. So

am I. But after watching the movie I would like to be as a Teacher. Help

others by no mean.

 

But as all of you know that the human change his mind accordingly. Then it

could be possible that after a year or two I will again rise the same

question. But till then I will try to remember that Teacher's role.

 

Colin Barnhorst, thanks to you as well and all others who supportted and

suggestted me.

 

"Mike C#" wrote:

>

> "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:OQ1nXGLgIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> > Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> >> I see nothing wrong with his wanting to be an MVP and coming right

> >> out with it. Nothing at all.

> >>

> >

> > Pity you feel that way. Anybody who strives for the praise of others is

> > deeply flawed.

> >

> > That might be okay, since it's the results that count; but as a

> > motivation, well, that sucks.

>

> Different people are motivated by different things. Some people want money,

> some people want good old fashioned recognition, others want other things.

> As an example there are a lot of tech support folks at big software

> companies who are willing to help you out, but if their employers stopped

> giving them regular paychecks they would probably stop helping you. Some

> might think that being motivated by money sucks, but most of us have to go

> work for a paycheck regardless.

>

> I don't think someone admitting that they are motivated by simple forms of

> recognition is a bad thing. I can't speak on behalf of anyone else, but by

> keeping the number of awards limited in number it might just make them seem

> more desirable to some people. Is it planned that way? I obviously can't

> say, but I couldn't fault someone for desiring a little recognition.

>

>

>

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

You're welcome.

 

"RajKohli" <RajKohli@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Thanks for your comments Mike. I really appreciate your thoughts.

>

> I have a mix thoughts of like yours and VanguardLH.

>

> As I already stated that I was here to be recognize as MVP but as time

> passes I start getting more interest in helping peoples and getting more

> knowledge about how I solve problems of others and what I can learn from

> them

> too.

>

> It is a coincidence that yesterday night I was watching a movie "The

> Guardian", which was dedicated to United States Coast Guard. There was a

> teacher and his best student. The teacher was there to save peoples lives

> and

> the students was there to make new records to be recognized as best cost

> guard. The student was counting how many lives he saved and the teacher

> was

> counting how many he couldn't. The work of both of were same but the

> motivation was different.

>

> So as said by Mike, different peoples are motivated by different things.

> So

> am I. But after watching the movie I would like to be as a Teacher. Help

> others by no mean.

>

> But as all of you know that the human change his mind accordingly. Then it

> could be possible that after a year or two I will again rise the same

> question. But till then I will try to remember that Teacher's role.

>

> Colin Barnhorst, thanks to you as well and all others who supportted and

> suggestted me.

>

> "Mike C#" wrote:

>

>>

>> "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:OQ1nXGLgIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> > Colin Barnhorst wrote:

>> >> I see nothing wrong with his wanting to be an MVP and coming right

>> >> out with it. Nothing at all.

>> >>

>> >

>> > Pity you feel that way. Anybody who strives for the praise of others is

>> > deeply flawed.

>> >

>> > That might be okay, since it's the results that count; but as a

>> > motivation, well, that sucks.

>>

>> Different people are motivated by different things. Some people want

>> money,

>> some people want good old fashioned recognition, others want other

>> things.

>> As an example there are a lot of tech support folks at big software

>> companies who are willing to help you out, but if their employers stopped

>> giving them regular paychecks they would probably stop helping you. Some

>> might think that being motivated by money sucks, but most of us have to

>> go

>> work for a paycheck regardless.

>>

>> I don't think someone admitting that they are motivated by simple forms

>> of

>> recognition is a bad thing. I can't speak on behalf of anyone else, but

>> by

>> keeping the number of awards limited in number it might just make them

>> seem

>> more desirable to some people. Is it planned that way? I obviously

>> can't

>> say, but I couldn't fault someone for desiring a little recognition.

>>

>>

>>

[Guest VanguardLH]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

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>

> "HeyBub" wrote ...

>>

>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:

>>> I see nothing wrong with his wanting to be an MVP and coming right

>>> out with it. Nothing at all.

>>

>> Pity you feel that way. Anybody who strives for the praise of

>> others is deeply flawed.

>>

>> That might be okay, since it's the results that count; but as a

>> motivation, well, that sucks.

>

> The MVP award is not praise, it is a designation of service to the

> Windows community.

 

Then it would be forcibly endowed upon many regular participants in

absentia (i.e., without their permission to have someone endow the MVP

badge upon them). Only those that are offered (nominated) to be an

MVP get a choice but they still get a choice to refuse the badge.

 

I have degrees and I have multitudes of certifications but I don't

hang them on the wall. They get stuck in a file drawer. I took the

courses to learn, not to profess to the world "hey, look at me, I'm

special, look at all my awards, hey, look at me, look at me, I'm more

special than you". When I walk into an office with its walls

plastered with certs, I know that I'm in the presence of an insecure

person.

 

If you are willing to *remain* here only if you believe that someday

you will receive a shiny "MVP" badge to append to your moniker then

the purpose and content of your posts is suspect. Someone that spews

out thousands of superficial responses with no further follow up is

hardly MVP material. Someone that has been around for years and

submitted thousands of helpful posts where doing such has become their

daily routine isn't thinking about some nebulous badge to add to their

moniker.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

Nonsense. A candidate may decline the offer.

 

"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message

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> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

> news:42AC88EF-118B-4789-8704-4BD2DB519806@microsoft.com...

>>

>> "HeyBub" wrote ...

>>>

>>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:

>>>> I see nothing wrong with his wanting to be an MVP and coming right

>>>> out with it. Nothing at all.

>>>

>>> Pity you feel that way. Anybody who strives for the praise of others is

>>> deeply flawed.

>>>

>>> That might be okay, since it's the results that count; but as a

>>> motivation, well, that sucks.

>>

>> The MVP award is not praise, it is a designation of service to the

>> Windows community.

>

> Then it would be forcibly endowed upon many regular participants in

> absentia (i.e., without their permission to have someone endow the MVP

> badge upon them). Only those that are offered (nominated) to be an MVP

> get a choice but they still get a choice to refuse the badge.

>

> I have degrees and I have multitudes of certifications but I don't hang

> them on the wall. They get stuck in a file drawer. I took the courses to

> learn, not to profess to the world "hey, look at me, I'm special, look at

> all my awards, hey, look at me, look at me, I'm more special than you".

> When I walk into an office with its walls plastered with certs, I know

> that I'm in the presence of an insecure person.

>

> If you are willing to *remain* here only if you believe that someday you

> will receive a shiny "MVP" badge to append to your moniker then the

> purpose and content of your posts is suspect. Someone that spews out

> thousands of superficial responses with no further follow up is hardly MVP

> material. Someone that has been around for years and submitted thousands

> of helpful posts where doing such has become their daily routine isn't

> thinking about some nebulous badge to add to their moniker.

>

[Guest Mike C#]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message

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> If you are willing to *remain* here only if you believe that someday you

> will receive a shiny "MVP" badge to append to your moniker then the

> purpose and content of your posts is suspect.

 

Do you likewise consider information and answers provided by paid employees

to be suspect? After all, tech support staff are willing to answer your

questions only if they believe that they will receive financial compensation

for their efforts.

 

Do you keep track of the motivations for the millions of other people who

regularly post to these newsgroups as well? If not how do you prejudge the

purpose and content of their posts? Really the only safe way for you to go,

I think, is to classify the purpose and content of every post as "suspect".

At least until you have evidence that these people's motivations fall in

line with what you consider acceptable.

[Guest VanguardLH]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

"Mike C#" <xyz@xyz.com> wrote in message

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> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message

> news:O1F%23Q8PgIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> If you are willing to *remain* here only if you believe that

>> someday you will receive a shiny "MVP" badge to append to your

>> moniker then the purpose and content of your posts is suspect.

>

> Do you likewise consider information and answers provided by paid

> employees to be suspect? After all, tech support staff are willing

> to answer your questions only if they believe that they will receive

> financial compensation for their efforts.

>

> Do you keep track of the motivations for the millions of other

> people who regularly post to these newsgroups as well? If not how

> do you prejudge the purpose and content of their posts? Really the

> only safe way for you to go, I think, is to classify the purpose and

> content of every post as "suspect". At least until you have evidence

> that these people's motivations fall in line with what you consider

> acceptable.

>

 

 

I don't need to keep track of anyone's motivation that announces in

their post "This is why I post".

[Guest Mike C#]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message

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> I don't need to keep track of anyone's motivation that announces in their

> post "This is why I post".

 

There are a million other people who haven't provided that transparency. Do

you trust that their motivation meets your noble requirements? Out of all

the other people who post to these newsgroups, how do you decide which

information to trust when the posters don't disclose their motivation? What

if their motivation is to get recognition, but you just don't know it

because they never disclosed this fact to you? This would make their posts

suspect, would it not?

 

BTW, how do you know whether a poster who discloses a high-minded reason for

posting that fits with your view of the world is actually telling the truth?

If someone who claimed not to be seeking anything other than a warm, fuzzy

feeling from posting was really seeking recognition or something else,

wouldn't that make their posts suspect? How would you know you could trust

them?

 

It seems to me that the only information you could ever consider "not

suspect" in this system you've invented is information that you yourself

generate and post.

[Guest RajKohli]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

I am really impressed with your reply but do not agree with your statement.

 

In this world, each and every person has his own way of thinking.

 

Hanging certificates on wall doesn't mean that you are showing off to

others. I can state it as "the certificates on my wall encourage me to get

more of them".

 

and if I have a certificate that means I am increasing my knowledge as well

and what about your professional career where you need certificates first and

knowledge their after.

 

"VanguardLH" wrote:

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

> news:42AC88EF-118B-4789-8704-4BD2DB519806@microsoft.com...

> >

> > "HeyBub" wrote ...

> >>

> >> Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> >>> I see nothing wrong with his wanting to be an MVP and coming right

> >>> out with it. Nothing at all.

> >>

> >> Pity you feel that way. Anybody who strives for the praise of

> >> others is deeply flawed.

> >>

> >> That might be okay, since it's the results that count; but as a

> >> motivation, well, that sucks.

> >

> > The MVP award is not praise, it is a designation of service to the

> > Windows community.

>

> Then it would be forcibly endowed upon many regular participants in

> absentia (i.e., without their permission to have someone endow the MVP

> badge upon them). Only those that are offered (nominated) to be an

> MVP get a choice but they still get a choice to refuse the badge.

>

> I have degrees and I have multitudes of certifications but I don't

> hang them on the wall. They get stuck in a file drawer. I took the

> courses to learn, not to profess to the world "hey, look at me, I'm

> special, look at all my awards, hey, look at me, look at me, I'm more

> special than you". When I walk into an office with its walls

> plastered with certs, I know that I'm in the presence of an insecure

> person.

>

> If you are willing to *remain* here only if you believe that someday

> you will receive a shiny "MVP" badge to append to your moniker then

> the purpose and content of your posts is suspect. Someone that spews

> out thousands of superficial responses with no further follow up is

> hardly MVP material. Someone that has been around for years and

> submitted thousands of helpful posts where doing such has become their

> daily routine isn't thinking about some nebulous badge to add to their

> moniker.

>

>

[Guest RajKohli]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

I am agree with you.

 

Even if a person's motivation is only to get that award still he is still

helping others by his mean.

 

If someone helps poor then he still have a motivation behind. He wants to

tell himself that he is doing a good work and god will bless him.

 

My opinion is that each and every work you do in your life has a motivation

behind it either it is necessity, routine, responsibility or whatever name

you give to it.

 

"Mike C#" wrote:

> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message

> news:O1F%23Q8PgIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> > If you are willing to *remain* here only if you believe that someday you

> > will receive a shiny "MVP" badge to append to your moniker then the

> > purpose and content of your posts is suspect.

>

> Do you likewise consider information and answers provided by paid employees

> to be suspect? After all, tech support staff are willing to answer your

> questions only if they believe that they will receive financial compensation

> for their efforts.

>

> Do you keep track of the motivations for the millions of other people who

> regularly post to these newsgroups as well? If not how do you prejudge the

> purpose and content of their posts? Really the only safe way for you to go,

> I think, is to classify the purpose and content of every post as "suspect".

> At least until you have evidence that these people's motivations fall in

> line with what you consider acceptable.

>

>

>

[Guest RajKohli]

Re: Am I Missing Something?

 

GREAT REPLY!!!!

 

"Mike C#" wrote:

> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message

> news:uJ7ofzTgIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > I don't need to keep track of anyone's motivation that announces in their

> > post "This is why I post".

>

> There are a million other people who haven't provided that transparency. Do

> you trust that their motivation meets your noble requirements? Out of all

> the other people who post to these newsgroups, how do you decide which

> information to trust when the posters don't disclose their motivation? What

> if their motivation is to get recognition, but you just don't know it

> because they never disclosed this fact to you? This would make their posts

> suspect, would it not?

>

> BTW, how do you know whether a poster who discloses a high-minded reason for

> posting that fits with your view of the world is actually telling the truth?

> If someone who claimed not to be seeking anything other than a warm, fuzzy

> feeling from posting was really seeking recognition or something else,

> wouldn't that make their posts suspect? How would you know you could trust

> them?

>

> It seems to me that the only information you could ever consider "not

> suspect" in this system you've invented is information that you yourself

> generate and post.

>

>

>