Office Licencing on TS Server

[Guest Luke Chalmers]

Hello,

 

I have read the following article and found the licencing agreement a bit

surprising and was wondering if someone would clear something up for me.

 

http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library/9da3742f-699d-4476-b050-c50aa14aaf081033.mspx?mfr=true

 

This a word document from MSFT site explaining how to correctly license

Office on a Terminal Services Server.

 

As I read it, you must have a full copy of Office on the remote desktop

machine (machine you are using to access TS) in order to use Office on the

Terminal Server?!?!

 

If you use say a machine in an internet cafe, you won't be able to use

Outlook, Word etc unless Office is actually installed on the internet cafe

machine.

 

Sort of defies the point of having TS but I thought I could licence the TS

server with say 25 office licences so that 25 users can use Office remotely

using TS.

 

Have I read this wrong? If not, how do people get round this? Do they use

Citrix?

 

Many thanks,

 

Sorrry if I have confused anyone out there!!

 

Luke

[Guest Rich Raffenetti]

Re: Office Licencing on TS Server

 

I found the link to be about TS Gateway. Are you sure this is the right

link?

 

"Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:65AABB8A-92D6-4241-BD5A-99971222473E@microsoft.com...

> Hello,

>

> I have read the following article and found the licencing agreement a bit

> surprising and was wondering if someone would clear something up for me.

>

> http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library/9da3742f-699d-4476-b050-c50aa14aaf081033.mspx?mfr=true

>

> This a word document from MSFT site explaining how to correctly license

> Office on a Terminal Services Server.

>

> As I read it, you must have a full copy of Office on the remote desktop

> machine (machine you are using to access TS) in order to use Office on the

> Terminal Server?!?!

>

> If you use say a machine in an internet cafe, you won't be able to use

> Outlook, Word etc unless Office is actually installed on the internet cafe

> machine.

>

> Sort of defies the point of having TS but I thought I could licence the TS

> server with say 25 office licences so that 25 users can use Office

> remotely

> using TS.

>

> Have I read this wrong? If not, how do people get round this? Do they use

> Citrix?

>

> Many thanks,

>

> Sorrry if I have confused anyone out there!!

>

> Luke

[Guest Luke Chalmers]

Re: Office Licencing on TS Server

 

Rich,

 

Good spot! My bad. Try this one!

 

Many thanks for taking a look.

 

http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/7/17745e4a-5d31-4de4-a416-07c646336d94/desktop_application_with_windows_server_terminal_services.doc

 

"Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

> I found the link to be about TS Gateway. Are you sure this is the right

> link?

>

> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:65AABB8A-92D6-4241-BD5A-99971222473E@microsoft.com...

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have read the following article and found the licencing agreement a bit

> > surprising and was wondering if someone would clear something up for me.

> >

> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library/9da3742f-699d-4476-b050-c50aa14aaf081033.mspx?mfr=true

> >

> > This a word document from MSFT site explaining how to correctly license

> > Office on a Terminal Services Server.

> >

> > As I read it, you must have a full copy of Office on the remote desktop

> > machine (machine you are using to access TS) in order to use Office on the

> > Terminal Server?!?!

> >

> > If you use say a machine in an internet cafe, you won't be able to use

> > Outlook, Word etc unless Office is actually installed on the internet cafe

> > machine.

> >

> > Sort of defies the point of having TS but I thought I could licence the TS

> > server with say 25 office licences so that 25 users can use Office

> > remotely

> > using TS.

> >

> > Have I read this wrong? If not, how do people get round this? Do they use

> > Citrix?

> >

> > Many thanks,

> >

> > Sorrry if I have confused anyone out there!!

> >

> > Luke

>

>

>

[Guest Rich Raffenetti]

Re: Office Licencing on TS Server

 

Luke,

I agree with your assessment. Actually it is worse since the device

must have a volume license for Office and be equal to or greater than in

functionality as compared to the TS version. And ... it's important to

remember that the clients are licensed by device, not user.

 

So the internet cafe PC seems to be out. On the other hand, the laptop

PC carried into a wireless zone is ok if licensed properly.

 

On the positive side, this article further clarifies Office use on

Terminal Servers. The waters are less muddy now. :-)

Rich

 

"Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:15A24E10-760F-4009-8184-25745CA84474@microsoft.com...

> Rich,

>

> Good spot! My bad. Try this one!

>

> Many thanks for taking a look.

>

> http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/7/17745e4a-5d31-4de4-a416-07c646336d94/desktop_application_with_windows_server_terminal_services.doc

>

> "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>

>> I found the link to be about TS Gateway. Are you sure this is the right

>> link?

>>

>> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:65AABB8A-92D6-4241-BD5A-99971222473E@microsoft.com...

>> > Hello,

>> >

>> > I have read the following article and found the licencing agreement a

>> > bit

>> > surprising and was wondering if someone would clear something up for

>> > me.

>> >

>> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library/9da3742f-699d-4476-b050-c50aa14aaf081033.mspx?mfr=true

>> >

>> > This a word document from MSFT site explaining how to correctly license

>> > Office on a Terminal Services Server.

>> >

>> > As I read it, you must have a full copy of Office on the remote desktop

>> > machine (machine you are using to access TS) in order to use Office on

>> > the

>> > Terminal Server?!?!

>> >

>> > If you use say a machine in an internet cafe, you won't be able to use

>> > Outlook, Word etc unless Office is actually installed on the internet

>> > cafe

>> > machine.

>> >

>> > Sort of defies the point of having TS but I thought I could licence the

>> > TS

>> > server with say 25 office licences so that 25 users can use Office

>> > remotely

>> > using TS.

>> >

>> > Have I read this wrong? If not, how do people get round this? Do they

>> > use

>> > Citrix?

>> >

>> > Many thanks,

>> >

>> > Sorrry if I have confused anyone out there!!

>> >

>> > Luke

>>

>>

>>

[Guest Luke Chalmers]

Re: Office Licencing on TS Server

 

Rich,

 

Cheers for taking a look. I think this is not the way forward for us and

will have to take a look elsewhere.

 

So do you use TS? If so, do you setup laptop users with the same office

version etc on their laptop as the TS?

 

We want to move away from the user having to take their laptop everywhere

and also move away from VPN as sometime this can become a bit unreliable.

 

The licence agreement seems silly if you ask me and I would have thought

that I would not be the only one who has this problem. Far too restrictive.

 

Luke

 

"Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

> Luke,

> I agree with your assessment. Actually it is worse since the device

> must have a volume license for Office and be equal to or greater than in

> functionality as compared to the TS version. And ... it's important to

> remember that the clients are licensed by device, not user.

>

> So the internet cafe PC seems to be out. On the other hand, the laptop

> PC carried into a wireless zone is ok if licensed properly.

>

> On the positive side, this article further clarifies Office use on

> Terminal Servers. The waters are less muddy now. :-)

> Rich

>

> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:15A24E10-760F-4009-8184-25745CA84474@microsoft.com...

> > Rich,

> >

> > Good spot! My bad. Try this one!

> >

> > Many thanks for taking a look.

> >

> > http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/7/17745e4a-5d31-4de4-a416-07c646336d94/desktop_application_with_windows_server_terminal_services.doc

> >

> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

> >

> >> I found the link to be about TS Gateway. Are you sure this is the right

> >> link?

> >>

> >> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:65AABB8A-92D6-4241-BD5A-99971222473E@microsoft.com...

> >> > Hello,

> >> >

> >> > I have read the following article and found the licencing agreement a

> >> > bit

> >> > surprising and was wondering if someone would clear something up for

> >> > me.

> >> >

> >> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library/9da3742f-699d-4476-b050-c50aa14aaf081033.mspx?mfr=true

> >> >

> >> > This a word document from MSFT site explaining how to correctly license

> >> > Office on a Terminal Services Server.

> >> >

> >> > As I read it, you must have a full copy of Office on the remote desktop

> >> > machine (machine you are using to access TS) in order to use Office on

> >> > the

> >> > Terminal Server?!?!

> >> >

> >> > If you use say a machine in an internet cafe, you won't be able to use

> >> > Outlook, Word etc unless Office is actually installed on the internet

> >> > cafe

> >> > machine.

> >> >

> >> > Sort of defies the point of having TS but I thought I could licence the

> >> > TS

> >> > server with say 25 office licences so that 25 users can use Office

> >> > remotely

> >> > using TS.

> >> >

> >> > Have I read this wrong? If not, how do people get round this? Do they

> >> > use

> >> > Citrix?

> >> >

> >> > Many thanks,

> >> >

> >> > Sorrry if I have confused anyone out there!!

> >> >

> >> > Luke

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

>

>

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Office Licencing on TS Server

 

I think that you are reading the EULA wrong.

You don't have to *install* Office on all clients, but you have to

pay for every client which is used to run Office, be it Office runs

locally on the client or inside a TS session on the client.

 

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

*----------- Please reply in newsgroup -------------*

 

=?Utf-8?B?THVrZSBDaGFsbWVycw==?=

<LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 07 mar 2008:

> Rich,

>

> Cheers for taking a look. I think this is not the way forward

> for us and will have to take a look elsewhere.

>

> So do you use TS? If so, do you setup laptop users with the same

> office version etc on their laptop as the TS?

>

> We want to move away from the user having to take their laptop

> everywhere and also move away from VPN as sometime this can

> become a bit unreliable.

>

> The licence agreement seems silly if you ask me and I would have

> thought that I would not be the only one who has this problem.

> Far too restrictive.

>

> Luke

>

> "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>

>> Luke,

>> I agree with your assessment. Actually it is worse since

>> the device

>> must have a volume license for Office and be equal to or

>> greater than in functionality as compared to the TS version.

>> And ... it's important to remember that the clients are

>> licensed by device, not user.

>>

>> So the internet cafe PC seems to be out. On the other

>> hand, the laptop

>> PC carried into a wireless zone is ok if licensed properly.

>>

>> On the positive side, this article further clarifies Office

>> use on

>> Terminal Servers. The waters are less muddy now. :-)

>> Rich

>>

>> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

>> in message

>> news:15A24E10-760F-4009-8184-25745CA84474@microsoft.com...

>> > Rich,

>> >

>> > Good spot! My bad. Try this one!

>> >

>> > Many thanks for taking a look.

>> >

>> > http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/7/17745e4a-5d31-4de

>> > 4-a416-07c646336d94/desktop_application_with_windows_server_te

>> > rminal_services.doc

>> >

>> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>> >

>> >> I found the link to be about TS Gateway. Are you sure this

>> >> is the right link?

>> >>

>> >> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com>

>> >> wrote in message

>> >> news:65AABB8A-92D6-4241-BD5A-99971222473E@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Hello,

>> >> >

>> >> > I have read the following article and found the licencing

>> >> > agreement a bit

>> >> > surprising and was wondering if someone would clear

>> >> > something up for me.

>> >> >

>> >> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library/

>> >> > 9da3742f-699d-4476-b050-c50aa14aaf081033.mspx?mfr=true

>> >> >

>> >> > This a word document from MSFT site explaining how to

>> >> > correctly license Office on a Terminal Services Server.

>> >> >

>> >> > As I read it, you must have a full copy of Office on the

>> >> > remote desktop machine (machine you are using to access

>> >> > TS) in order to use Office on the

>> >> > Terminal Server?!?!

>> >> >

>> >> > If you use say a machine in an internet cafe, you won't be

>> >> > able to use Outlook, Word etc unless Office is actually

>> >> > installed on the internet cafe

>> >> > machine.

>> >> >

>> >> > Sort of defies the point of having TS but I thought I

>> >> > could licence the TS

>> >> > server with say 25 office licences so that 25 users can

>> >> > use Office remotely

>> >> > using TS.

>> >> >

>> >> > Have I read this wrong? If not, how do people get round

>> >> > this? Do they use

>> >> > Citrix?

>> >> >

>> >> > Many thanks,

>> >> >

>> >> > Sorrry if I have confused anyone out there!!

>> >> >

>> >> > Luke

[Guest Luke Chalmers]

Re: Office Licencing on TS Server

 

Vera,

 

So what you are saying is that if I have one user which uses 5 machines.

(say....work machine and some machines at home) we would have to pay for 5

Office licences?

 

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> I think that you are reading the EULA wrong.

> You don't have to *install* Office on all clients, but you have to

> pay for every client which is used to run Office, be it Office runs

> locally on the client or inside a TS session on the client.

>

> _________________________________________________________

> Vera Noest

> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> *----------- Please reply in newsgroup -------------*

>

> =?Utf-8?B?THVrZSBDaGFsbWVycw==?=

> <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 07 mar 2008:

>

> > Rich,

> >

> > Cheers for taking a look. I think this is not the way forward

> > for us and will have to take a look elsewhere.

> >

> > So do you use TS? If so, do you setup laptop users with the same

> > office version etc on their laptop as the TS?

> >

> > We want to move away from the user having to take their laptop

> > everywhere and also move away from VPN as sometime this can

> > become a bit unreliable.

> >

> > The licence agreement seems silly if you ask me and I would have

> > thought that I would not be the only one who has this problem.

> > Far too restrictive.

> >

> > Luke

> >

> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

> >

> >> Luke,

> >> I agree with your assessment. Actually it is worse since

> >> the device

> >> must have a volume license for Office and be equal to or

> >> greater than in functionality as compared to the TS version.

> >> And ... it's important to remember that the clients are

> >> licensed by device, not user.

> >>

> >> So the internet cafe PC seems to be out. On the other

> >> hand, the laptop

> >> PC carried into a wireless zone is ok if licensed properly.

> >>

> >> On the positive side, this article further clarifies Office

> >> use on

> >> Terminal Servers. The waters are less muddy now. :-)

> >> Rich

> >>

> >> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

> >> in message

> >> news:15A24E10-760F-4009-8184-25745CA84474@microsoft.com...

> >> > Rich,

> >> >

> >> > Good spot! My bad. Try this one!

> >> >

> >> > Many thanks for taking a look.

> >> >

> >> > http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/7/17745e4a-5d31-4de

> >> > 4-a416-07c646336d94/desktop_application_with_windows_server_te

> >> > rminal_services.doc

> >> >

> >> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> I found the link to be about TS Gateway. Are you sure this

> >> >> is the right link?

> >> >>

> >> >> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com>

> >> >> wrote in message

> >> >> news:65AABB8A-92D6-4241-BD5A-99971222473E@microsoft.com...

> >> >> > Hello,

> >> >> >

> >> >> > I have read the following article and found the licencing

> >> >> > agreement a bit

> >> >> > surprising and was wondering if someone would clear

> >> >> > something up for me.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library/

> >> >> > 9da3742f-699d-4476-b050-c50aa14aaf081033.mspx?mfr=true

> >> >> >

> >> >> > This a word document from MSFT site explaining how to

> >> >> > correctly license Office on a Terminal Services Server.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > As I read it, you must have a full copy of Office on the

> >> >> > remote desktop machine (machine you are using to access

> >> >> > TS) in order to use Office on the

> >> >> > Terminal Server?!?!

> >> >> >

> >> >> > If you use say a machine in an internet cafe, you won't be

> >> >> > able to use Outlook, Word etc unless Office is actually

> >> >> > installed on the internet cafe

> >> >> > machine.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Sort of defies the point of having TS but I thought I

> >> >> > could licence the TS

> >> >> > server with say 25 office licences so that 25 users can

> >> >> > use Office remotely

> >> >> > using TS.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Have I read this wrong? If not, how do people get round

> >> >> > this? Do they use

> >> >> > Citrix?

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Many thanks,

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Sorrry if I have confused anyone out there!!

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Luke

>

[Guest Rich Raffenetti]

Re: Office Licencing on TS Server

 

Luke,

We do not use Office on our Terminal Servers because the former

licensing (before 2007) appeared to be that two licenses were needed, One

for the client PC and one for the TS. This paper either changes that or

clarifies it.

 

Office is device-based and that causes the illogical exceptions that you

cite.

 

Here's another scenario. What if you only have Office on one of your

five PCs and you RDP to that machine from one of the others and then to the

TS (where you use Office) from that one. Is that a license violation? :-)

Rich

 

"Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:814ACE52-C3BA-403E-99FD-B875F7D31D02@microsoft.com...

> Rich,

>

> Cheers for taking a look. I think this is not the way forward for us and

> will have to take a look elsewhere.

>

> So do you use TS? If so, do you setup laptop users with the same office

> version etc on their laptop as the TS?

>

> We want to move away from the user having to take their laptop everywhere

> and also move away from VPN as sometime this can become a bit unreliable.

>

> The licence agreement seems silly if you ask me and I would have thought

> that I would not be the only one who has this problem. Far too

> restrictive.

>

> Luke

>

> "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>

>> Luke,

>> I agree with your assessment. Actually it is worse since the device

>> must have a volume license for Office and be equal to or greater than in

>> functionality as compared to the TS version. And ... it's important to

>> remember that the clients are licensed by device, not user.

>>

>> So the internet cafe PC seems to be out. On the other hand, the

>> laptop

>> PC carried into a wireless zone is ok if licensed properly.

>>

>> On the positive side, this article further clarifies Office use on

>> Terminal Servers. The waters are less muddy now. :-)

>> Rich

>>

>> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:15A24E10-760F-4009-8184-25745CA84474@microsoft.com...

>> > Rich,

>> >

>> > Good spot! My bad. Try this one!

>> >

>> > Many thanks for taking a look.

>> >

>> > http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/7/17745e4a-5d31-4de4-a416-07c646336d94/desktop_application_with_windows_server_terminal_services.doc

>> >

>> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>> >

>> >> I found the link to be about TS Gateway. Are you sure this is the

>> >> right

>> >> link?

>> >>

>> >> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> >> message

>> >> news:65AABB8A-92D6-4241-BD5A-99971222473E@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Hello,

>> >> >

>> >> > I have read the following article and found the licencing agreement

>> >> > a

>> >> > bit

>> >> > surprising and was wondering if someone would clear something up for

>> >> > me.

>> >> >

>> >> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library/9da3742f-699d-4476-b050-c50aa14aaf081033.mspx?mfr=true

>> >> >

>> >> > This a word document from MSFT site explaining how to correctly

>> >> > license

>> >> > Office on a Terminal Services Server.

>> >> >

>> >> > As I read it, you must have a full copy of Office on the remote

>> >> > desktop

>> >> > machine (machine you are using to access TS) in order to use Office

>> >> > on

>> >> > the

>> >> > Terminal Server?!?!

>> >> >

>> >> > If you use say a machine in an internet cafe, you won't be able to

>> >> > use

>> >> > Outlook, Word etc unless Office is actually installed on the

>> >> > internet

>> >> > cafe

>> >> > machine.

>> >> >

>> >> > Sort of defies the point of having TS but I thought I could licence

>> >> > the

>> >> > TS

>> >> > server with say 25 office licences so that 25 users can use Office

>> >> > remotely

>> >> > using TS.

>> >> >

>> >> > Have I read this wrong? If not, how do people get round this? Do

>> >> > they

>> >> > use

>> >> > Citrix?

>> >> >

>> >> > Many thanks,

>> >> >

>> >> > Sorrry if I have confused anyone out there!!

>> >> >

>> >> > Luke

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Office Licencing on TS Server

 

Yes. Office is always licensed per device.

 

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

 

=?Utf-8?B?THVrZSBDaGFsbWVycw==?=

<LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 07 mar 2008 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Vera,

>

> So what you are saying is that if I have one user which uses 5

> machines. (say....work machine and some machines at home) we

> would have to pay for 5 Office licences?

>

> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

>

>> I think that you are reading the EULA wrong.

>> You don't have to *install* Office on all clients, but you have

>> to pay for every client which is used to run Office, be it

>> Office runs locally on the client or inside a TS session on the

>> client.

>>

>> _________________________________________________________

>> Vera Noest

>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

>> *----------- Please reply in newsgroup -------------*

>>

>> =?Utf-8?B?THVrZSBDaGFsbWVycw==?=

>> <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 07 mar 2008:

>>

>> > Rich,

>> >

>> > Cheers for taking a look. I think this is not the way forward

>> > for us and will have to take a look elsewhere.

>> >

>> > So do you use TS? If so, do you setup laptop users with the

>> > same office version etc on their laptop as the TS?

>> >

>> > We want to move away from the user having to take their

>> > laptop everywhere and also move away from VPN as sometime

>> > this can become a bit unreliable.

>> >

>> > The licence agreement seems silly if you ask me and I would

>> > have thought that I would not be the only one who has this

>> > problem. Far too restrictive.

>> >

>> > Luke

>> >

>> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Luke,

>> >> I agree with your assessment. Actually it is worse

>> >> since the device

>> >> must have a volume license for Office and be equal to or

>> >> greater than in functionality as compared to the TS version.

>> >> And ... it's important to remember that the clients are

>> >> licensed by device, not user.

>> >>

>> >> So the internet cafe PC seems to be out. On the other

>> >> hand, the laptop

>> >> PC carried into a wireless zone is ok if licensed properly.

>> >>

>> >> On the positive side, this article further clarifies

>> >> Office use on

>> >> Terminal Servers. The waters are less muddy now. :-)

>> >> Rich

>> >>

>> >> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com>

>> >> wrote in message

>> >> news:15A24E10-760F-4009-8184-25745CA84474@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Rich,

>> >> >

>> >> > Good spot! My bad. Try this one!

>> >> >

>> >> > Many thanks for taking a look.

>> >> >

>> >> > http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/7/17745e4a-5d31-

>> >> > 4de

>> >> > 4-a416-07c646336d94/desktop_application_with_windows_server

>> >> > _te rminal_services.doc

>> >> >

>> >> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> I found the link to be about TS Gateway. Are you sure

>> >> >> this is the right link?

>> >> >>

>> >> >> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com>

>> >> >> wrote in message

>> >> >> news:65AABB8A-92D6-4241-BD5A-99971222473E@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> > Hello,

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > I have read the following article and found the

>> >> >> > licencing agreement a bit

>> >> >> > surprising and was wondering if someone would clear

>> >> >> > something up for me.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/libra

>> >> >> > ry/

>> >> >> > 9da3742f-699d-4476-b050-c50aa14aaf081033.mspx?mfr=true

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > This a word document from MSFT site explaining how to

>> >> >> > correctly license Office on a Terminal Services Server.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > As I read it, you must have a full copy of Office on

>> >> >> > the remote desktop machine (machine you are using to

>> >> >> > access TS) in order to use Office on the

>> >> >> > Terminal Server?!?!

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > If you use say a machine in an internet cafe, you won't

>> >> >> > be able to use Outlook, Word etc unless Office is

>> >> >> > actually installed on the internet cafe

>> >> >> > machine.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Sort of defies the point of having TS but I thought I

>> >> >> > could licence the TS

>> >> >> > server with say 25 office licences so that 25 users can

>> >> >> > use Office remotely

>> >> >> > using TS.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Have I read this wrong? If not, how do people get round

>> >> >> > this? Do they use

>> >> >> > Citrix?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Many thanks,

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Sorrry if I have confused anyone out there!!

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Luke

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Office Licencing on TS Server

 

A separate license for the Terminal Server itself has never been

needed, unless you run Office on the physical console of the TS.

 

And yes, your Office-over-rdp-over-rdp is a license violation.

Clearly stated in the document:

 

when a desktop application is accessed remotely across an

organization using Windows Server Terminal Services, a separate

desktop application license is required for each desktop from which

the application is accessed.

 

If you are in any doubt about the licensing scenario, the best

thing you can do is to call your Microsoft representative.

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

 

"Rich Raffenetti" <rich@raffenetti_takethisout.com> wrote on 07

mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Luke,

> We do not use Office on our Terminal Servers because the

> former

> licensing (before 2007) appeared to be that two licenses were

> needed, One for the client PC and one for the TS. This paper

> either changes that or clarifies it.

>

> Office is device-based and that causes the illogical

> exceptions that you

> cite.

>

> Here's another scenario. What if you only have Office on

> one of your

> five PCs and you RDP to that machine from one of the others and

> then to the TS (where you use Office) from that one. Is that a

> license violation? :-) Rich

>

> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

> in message

> news:814ACE52-C3BA-403E-99FD-B875F7D31D02@microsoft.com...

>> Rich,

>>

>> Cheers for taking a look. I think this is not the way forward

>> for us and will have to take a look elsewhere.

>>

>> So do you use TS? If so, do you setup laptop users with the

>> same office version etc on their laptop as the TS?

>>

>> We want to move away from the user having to take their laptop

>> everywhere and also move away from VPN as sometime this can

>> become a bit unreliable.

>>

>> The licence agreement seems silly if you ask me and I would

>> have thought that I would not be the only one who has this

>> problem. Far too restrictive.

>>

>> Luke

>>

>> "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>>

>>> Luke,

>>> I agree with your assessment. Actually it is worse since

>>> the device

>>> must have a volume license for Office and be equal to or

>>> greater than in functionality as compared to the TS version.

>>> And ... it's important to remember that the clients are

>>> licensed by device, not user.

>>>

>>> So the internet cafe PC seems to be out. On the other

>>> hand, the

>>> laptop

>>> PC carried into a wireless zone is ok if licensed properly.

>>>

>>> On the positive side, this article further clarifies

>>> Office use on

>>> Terminal Servers. The waters are less muddy now. :-)

>>> Rich

>>>

>>> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

>>> in message

>>> news:15A24E10-760F-4009-8184-25745CA84474@microsoft.com...

>>> > Rich,

>>> >

>>> > Good spot! My bad. Try this one!

>>> >

>>> > Many thanks for taking a look.

>>> >

>>> > http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/7/17745e4a-5d31-4d

>>> > e4-a416-07c646336d94/desktop_application_with_windows_server_

>>> > terminal_services.doc

>>> >

>>> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

>>> >

>>> >> I found the link to be about TS Gateway. Are you sure this

>>> >> is the right

>>> >> link?

>>> >>

>>> >> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com>

>>> >> wrote in message

>>> >> news:65AABB8A-92D6-4241-BD5A-99971222473E@microsoft.com...

>>> >> > Hello,

>>> >> >

>>> >> > I have read the following article and found the licencing

>>> >> > agreement a

>>> >> > bit

>>> >> > surprising and was wondering if someone would clear

>>> >> > something up for me.

>>> >> >

>>> >> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library

>>> >> > /9da3742f-699d-4476-b050-c50aa14aaf081033.mspx?mfr=true

>>> >> >

>>> >> > This a word document from MSFT site explaining how to

>>> >> > correctly license

>>> >> > Office on a Terminal Services Server.

>>> >> >

>>> >> > As I read it, you must have a full copy of Office on the

>>> >> > remote desktop

>>> >> > machine (machine you are using to access TS) in order to

>>> >> > use Office on

>>> >> > the

>>> >> > Terminal Server?!?!

>>> >> >

>>> >> > If you use say a machine in an internet cafe, you won't

>>> >> > be able to use

>>> >> > Outlook, Word etc unless Office is actually installed on

>>> >> > the internet

>>> >> > cafe

>>> >> > machine.

>>> >> >

>>> >> > Sort of defies the point of having TS but I thought I

>>> >> > could licence the

>>> >> > TS

>>> >> > server with say 25 office licences so that 25 users can

>>> >> > use Office remotely

>>> >> > using TS.

>>> >> >

>>> >> > Have I read this wrong? If not, how do people get round

>>> >> > this? Do they

>>> >> > use

>>> >> > Citrix?

>>> >> >

>>> >> > Many thanks,

>>> >> >

>>> >> > Sorrry if I have confused anyone out there!!

>>> >> >

>>> >> > Luke

[Guest Luke Chalmers]

Re: Office Licencing on TS Server

 

Hello all,

 

thanks for all your input on this. I do find this a little extrordinary that

TS does have a complete lack of freedom to access it from any machine. I

can't be the only one that has become stuck by this. Is there any

alternatives that would allow me to do what I have described? Citrix maybe?

 

Luke

 

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> A separate license for the Terminal Server itself has never been

> needed, unless you run Office on the physical console of the TS.

>

> And yes, your Office-over-rdp-over-rdp is a license violation.

> Clearly stated in the document:

>

> when a desktop application is accessed remotely across an

> organization using Windows Server Terminal Services, a separate

> desktop application license is required for each desktop from which

> the application is accessed.

>

> If you are in any doubt about the licensing scenario, the best

> thing you can do is to call your Microsoft representative.

> _________________________________________________________

> Vera Noest

> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> "Rich Raffenetti" <rich@raffenetti_takethisout.com> wrote on 07

> mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

> > Luke,

> > We do not use Office on our Terminal Servers because the

> > former

> > licensing (before 2007) appeared to be that two licenses were

> > needed, One for the client PC and one for the TS. This paper

> > either changes that or clarifies it.

> >

> > Office is device-based and that causes the illogical

> > exceptions that you

> > cite.

> >

> > Here's another scenario. What if you only have Office on

> > one of your

> > five PCs and you RDP to that machine from one of the others and

> > then to the TS (where you use Office) from that one. Is that a

> > license violation? :-) Rich

> >

> > "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

> > in message

> > news:814ACE52-C3BA-403E-99FD-B875F7D31D02@microsoft.com...

> >> Rich,

> >>

> >> Cheers for taking a look. I think this is not the way forward

> >> for us and will have to take a look elsewhere.

> >>

> >> So do you use TS? If so, do you setup laptop users with the

> >> same office version etc on their laptop as the TS?

> >>

> >> We want to move away from the user having to take their laptop

> >> everywhere and also move away from VPN as sometime this can

> >> become a bit unreliable.

> >>

> >> The licence agreement seems silly if you ask me and I would

> >> have thought that I would not be the only one who has this

> >> problem. Far too restrictive.

> >>

> >> Luke

> >>

> >> "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

> >>

> >>> Luke,

> >>> I agree with your assessment. Actually it is worse since

> >>> the device

> >>> must have a volume license for Office and be equal to or

> >>> greater than in functionality as compared to the TS version.

> >>> And ... it's important to remember that the clients are

> >>> licensed by device, not user.

> >>>

> >>> So the internet cafe PC seems to be out. On the other

> >>> hand, the

> >>> laptop

> >>> PC carried into a wireless zone is ok if licensed properly.

> >>>

> >>> On the positive side, this article further clarifies

> >>> Office use on

> >>> Terminal Servers. The waters are less muddy now. :-)

> >>> Rich

> >>>

> >>> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

> >>> in message

> >>> news:15A24E10-760F-4009-8184-25745CA84474@microsoft.com...

> >>> > Rich,

> >>> >

> >>> > Good spot! My bad. Try this one!

> >>> >

> >>> > Many thanks for taking a look.

> >>> >

> >>> > http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/7/17745e4a-5d31-4d

> >>> > e4-a416-07c646336d94/desktop_application_with_windows_server_

> >>> > terminal_services.doc

> >>> >

> >>> > "Rich Raffenetti" wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> >> I found the link to be about TS Gateway. Are you sure this

> >>> >> is the right

> >>> >> link?

> >>> >>

> >>> >> "Luke Chalmers" <LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com>

> >>> >> wrote in message

> >>> >> news:65AABB8A-92D6-4241-BD5A-99971222473E@microsoft.com...

> >>> >> > Hello,

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > I have read the following article and found the licencing

> >>> >> > agreement a

> >>> >> > bit

> >>> >> > surprising and was wondering if someone would clear

> >>> >> > something up for me.

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library

> >>> >> > /9da3742f-699d-4476-b050-c50aa14aaf081033.mspx?mfr=true

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > This a word document from MSFT site explaining how to

> >>> >> > correctly license

> >>> >> > Office on a Terminal Services Server.

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > As I read it, you must have a full copy of Office on the

> >>> >> > remote desktop

> >>> >> > machine (machine you are using to access TS) in order to

> >>> >> > use Office on

> >>> >> > the

> >>> >> > Terminal Server?!?!

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > If you use say a machine in an internet cafe, you won't

> >>> >> > be able to use

> >>> >> > Outlook, Word etc unless Office is actually installed on

> >>> >> > the internet

> >>> >> > cafe

> >>> >> > machine.

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > Sort of defies the point of having TS but I thought I

> >>> >> > could licence the

> >>> >> > TS

> >>> >> > server with say 25 office licences so that 25 users can

> >>> >> > use Office remotely

> >>> >> > using TS.

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > Have I read this wrong? If not, how do people get round

> >>> >> > this? Do they

> >>> >> > use

> >>> >> > Citrix?

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > Many thanks,

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > Sorrry if I have confused anyone out there!!

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > Luke

>

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Office Licencing on TS Server

 

Luke, I understand what you mean, but I think that you are barking

up the wrong tree.

 

TS CALs can be bought either Per Device or Per User, as can normal

server CALs. This gives you the possibility to choose the licensing

option which is the cheapest for you.

 

So the problem that you see (running Office from any client) is not

inherent to Terminal Services, it's inherent to the Per Device

licensing mode of Office.

 

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

*----------- Please reply in newsgroup -------------*

 

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<LukeChalmers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 10 mar 2008:

> Hello all,

>

> thanks for all your input on this. I do find this a little

> extrordinary that TS does have a complete lack of freedom to

> access it from any machine. I can't be the only one that has

> become stuck by this. Is there any alternatives that would allow

> me to do what I have described? Citrix maybe?

>

> Luke