KB files..help please

[Guest Terry]

Win XP Pro

IE 6

 

In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB. What is the best

way to remove if possible please?

 

TIA

Terry

[Guest Nospam@mymail.invalid]

Re: KB files..help please

 

Those are patches, updates, hotfixes, etc. Leave them alone.

--

Bruce Hagen

MS-MVP Outlook Express

Imperial Beach, CA

 

 

"Terry" <terrybetts11138@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> Win XP Pro

> IE 6

>

> In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB. What is the

> best way to remove if possible please?

>

> TIA

> Terry

>

[Guest PD43]

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"Terry" <terrybetts11138@hotmail.com> wrote:

>In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB. What is the best

>way to remove if possible please?

 

Those are files from past updates. If you are sure that you will not

want to ever uninstall any of those updates, then just delete them.

[Guest Thee Chicago Wolf]

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>Win XP Pro

>IE 6

>

>In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB. What is the best

>way to remove if possible please?

>

>TIA

>Terry

 

If you want, you can back them all up to a CD-R and then delete them.

But since XP service pack 3 will be out in the not too distant future

and supercedes all those KB patches, you can delete them. My practice

is to keep the KB backups if they are 3 months old or newer just in

case.

 

- Thee Chicago Wolf

[Guest Terry]

Re: KB files..help please

 

Thanks all

 

Backed up prior to removing.....on reboot and various program runs, still OK

Regards

 

Terry

 

"Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message

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> >Win XP Pro

>>IE 6

>>

>>In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB. What is the

>>best

>>way to remove if possible please?

>>

>>TIA

>>Terry

>

> If you want, you can back them all up to a CD-R and then delete them.

> But since XP service pack 3 will be out in the not too distant future

> and supercedes all those KB patches, you can delete them. My practice

> is to keep the KB backups if they are 3 months old or newer just in

> case.

>

> - Thee Chicago Wolf

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Terry added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

> Win XP Pro

> IE 6

>

> In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB.

> What is the best way to remove if possible please?

>

That means "Knowledge Base" and is the list of all the updates,

security patches, etc. that you've downloaded over time. If you

delete them you won't be able to reapply them without re-

downloading. Some people do delete them once they are SURE their

system is stable but unless you are really short of disk space,

just leave that folder alone.

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"Surely you jest - and don't call me Shirley!" - from the movie

"Airplane!"

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Thee Chicago Wolf added these comments in the current discussion

du jour ...

>>Win XP Pro

>>IE 6

>>

>>In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB.

>>What is the best way to remove if possible please?

>>

>>TIA

>>Terry

>

> If you want, you can back them all up to a CD-R and then

> delete them. But since XP service pack 3 will be out in the

> not too distant future and supercedes all those KB patches,

> you can delete them. My practice is to keep the KB backups if

> they are 3 months old or newer just in case.

>

That is assuming the OP or others like me intend to install SP3. I

do NOT because I have intentionally not install every MS update

after lurking and discovering that some folks have problems with

some updates. Since my system is stable and I don't want any

slipped in surprises, I will probably pay for an SP3 delivery fee

but not actually install it.

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"Surely you jest - and don't call me Shirley!" - from the movie

"Airplane!"

[Guest Thee Chicago Wolf]

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>That is assuming the OP or others like me intend to install SP3. I

>do NOT because I have intentionally not install every MS update

>after lurking and discovering that some folks have problems with

>some updates. Since my system is stable and I don't want any

>slipped in surprises, I will probably pay for an SP3 delivery fee

>but not actually install it.

 

It is all contingent upon what a user has installed on his / her

system that oft determines how well a service pack or patch is

received into the established environment. Microsoft cannot possibly

account for every single application that is out there and be able to

test against them. That just isn't possible. It isn't rational to

avoid service pack 3 since the vast majority of updates since SP2 are

already built in. If you system is stable now, it'll likely be stable

with SP3. I am running build 3311 on my production work laptop with

zero issues. It was stable before I installed SP3 and is stable

currently.

 

- Thee Chicago Wolf

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Thee Chicago Wolf added these comments in the current discussion

du jour ...

>>That is assuming the OP or others like me intend to install

>>SP3. I do NOT because I have intentionally not install every

>>MS update after lurking and discovering that some folks have

>>problems with some updates. Since my system is stable and I

>>don't want any slipped in surprises, I will probably pay for

>>an SP3 delivery fee but not actually install it.

>

> It is all contingent upon what a user has installed on his /

> her system that oft determines how well a service pack or

> patch is received into the established environment. Microsoft

> cannot possibly account for every single application that is

> out there and be able to test against them. That just isn't

> possible. It isn't rational to avoid service pack 3 since the

> vast majority of updates since SP2 are already built in. If

> you system is stable now, it'll likely be stable with SP3. I

> am running build 3311 on my production work laptop with zero

> issues. It was stable before I installed SP3 and is stable

> currently.

>

I agree with your basic thesis except for SP3.

 

At some point - I thought it would be Vista - MS needs to cut the

apron strings to the old DOS days including its 8.3 file name

restriction, make Windows a modern GUI O/S, get rid of the bloat

that comes from at least trying to accomodate every piece of

legacy SW and HW ever invented, and maybe, just maybe, improve

its reliability. To do that, of course, they would need to

obsolete all of its earlier customers, which they are loathe to

do. Still, if they don't do it someday on all-NEW versions, they

will never attain the stability that the loyal Mac and Linux

people claim.

 

As to whether any SP is or is not stable depends highly on system

configs and what HW, SW, video card, and other things you have.

e.g., you're running just fine with a pre-release SP3 but I may

have a major blowdown. But, please don't insult everyone by

suggesting they aren't rational if they don't install SP3;

instead, re-read your own reply - the part about it being

impossible for MS to account for everything and ask yourself this

question: "how can SP3 possibly be 100% bug free and stable for

everyone?" Mathematicians clain they can prove that NO software

is or can be bug free so why risk a visit from Murphy if you're

already up-to-date and running just fine? Yes, yes, I know the OP

is not running just fine and SP3 might just help them ...

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"Surely you jest - and don't call me Shirley!" - from the movie

"Airplane!"

[Guest Thee Chicago Wolf]

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>I agree with your basic thesis except for SP3.

>

>At some point - I thought it would be Vista - MS needs to cut the

>apron strings to the old DOS days including its 8.3 file name

>restriction, make Windows a modern GUI O/S, get rid of the bloat

>that comes from at least trying to accomodate every piece of

>legacy SW and HW ever invented, and maybe, just maybe, improve

>its reliability. To do that, of course, they would need to

>obsolete all of its earlier customers, which they are loathe to

>do. Still, if they don't do it someday on all-NEW versions, they

>will never attain the stability that the loyal Mac and Linux

>people claim.

 

A lot of folks want to cut the umbilical on DOS but a lot of Admins

use the command line tools to do stuff that they can't in GUI. It's

sad but true. Even Server 2008 touts Powershell as a prerequisite. Any

uber geek or IT guy who's been around knows Powershell is the

Microsoft response to trying to get the command-line Linux crowd over

to and / or comfortable with Server 2008. DOS is not going away any

time soon, sadly.

>As to whether any SP is or is not stable depends highly on system

>configs and what HW, SW, video card, and other things you have.

>e.g., you're running just fine with a pre-release SP3 but I may

>have a major blowdown. But, please don't insult everyone by

>suggesting they aren't rational if they don't install SP3;

>instead, re-read your own reply - the part about it being

>impossible for MS to account for everything and ask yourself this

>question: "how can SP3 possibly be 100% bug free and stable for

>everyone?" Mathematicians clain they can prove that NO software

>is or can be bug free so why risk a visit from Murphy if you're

>already up-to-date and running just fine? Yes, yes, I know the OP

>is not running just fine and SP3 might just help them ...

 

Well, I am not intending to insult anyone. Most system problem are the

fault of software, not hardware. Drivers have gotten very stable and

I've yet to see a drive blow out a system. Software incompatibilities

and poor coding seem to be culprit. NO service pack can fix that, ha

ha ha.

 

- Thee Chicago Wolf

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Thee Chicago Wolf added these comments in the current discussion

du jour ...

>>At some point - I thought it would be Vista - MS needs to cut

>>the apron strings to the old DOS days including its 8.3 file

>>name restriction, make Windows a modern GUI O/S, get rid of

>>the bloat that comes from at least trying to accomodate every

>>piece of legacy SW and HW ever invented, and maybe, just

>>maybe, improve its reliability. To do that, of course, they

>>would need to obsolete all of its earlier customers, which

>>they are loathe to do. Still, if they don't do it someday on

>>all-NEW versions, they will never attain the stability that

>>the loyal Mac and Linux people claim.

>

> A lot of folks want to cut the umbilical on DOS but a lot of

> Admins use the command line tools to do stuff that they can't

> in GUI. It's sad but true. Even Server 2008 touts Powershell

> as a prerequisite. Any uber geek or IT guy who's been around

> knows Powershell is the Microsoft response to trying to get

> the command-line Linux crowd over to and / or comfortable with

> Server 2008. DOS is not going away any time soon, sadly.

 

I can well understand this but couldn't MS develop an admin

toolkit for that? Just for grins, what do Mac admins do? I'm not

dissing you, I don't know. I was just commenting on a way that MS

could increase stability and decrease bugs.

>>As to whether any SP is or is not stable depends highly on

>>system configs and what HW, SW, video card, and other things

>>you have. e.g., you're running just fine with a pre-release

>>SP3 but I may have a major blowdown. But, please don't insult

>>everyone by suggesting they aren't rational if they don't

>>install SP3; instead, re-read your own reply - the part about

>>it being impossible for MS to account for everything and ask

>>yourself this question: "how can SP3 possibly be 100% bug free

>>and stable for everyone?" Mathematicians clain they can prove

>>that NO software is or can be bug free so why risk a visit

>>from Murphy if you're already up-to-date and running just

>>fine? Yes, yes, I know the OP is not running just fine and

>>SP3 might just help them ...

>

> Well, I am not intending to insult anyone. Most system problem

> are the fault of software, not hardware. Drivers have gotten

> very stable and I've yet to see a drive blow out a system.

> Software incompatibilities and poor coding seem to be culprit.

> NO service pack can fix that, ha ha ha.

>

OK, but people like me do read "if you're rational you'll install

SP3" as an implication that resisting makes me somehow irrational

when I do, in fact, have my reasons the same as you have for

wanting a command line. Let's let it drop, OK?

 

As to what causes the most problems, I think it is a chicken and

egg thing. i.e., HW wouldn't cause problems if it didn't need SW

- drivers - to run, so which is the real culprit? But, my opinion

of getting HW drivers and the like from the manufacturer and not

from Bill the Gates still applies, I've read far to many tales of

woe from people who let Windows update their drivers. Just one

old fool's opinion, YMMV.

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"Surely you jest - and don't call me Shirley!" - from the movie

"Airplane!"

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:48:51 GMT, "HEMI-Powered" <none@none.en> wrote:

> Terry added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>

> > Win XP Pro

> > IE 6

> >

> > In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB.

> > What is the best way to remove if possible please?

> >

> That means "Knowledge Base" and is the list of all the updates,

> security patches, etc. that you've downloaded over time. If you

> delete them you won't be able to reapply them without re-

> downloading. Some people do delete them once they are SURE their

> system is stable but unless you are really short of disk space,

> just leave that folder alone.

 

 

I completely agree with that last sentence. And I'll add that if you

are that short of disk space that the small amount these take up would

make a difference, deleting them would just be a stopgap measure. If

that's the situation, another drive or a bigger drive is urgently

needed.

 

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Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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[Guest Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM]

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"Terry" <terrybetts11138@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> Win XP Pro

> IE 6

>

> In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB. What is the

> best way to remove if possible please?

>

> TIA

> Terry

>

 

Note that each of those .log file has an associated flue folder that starts

with $NTuninstallKB - if you're going to remove one you might as well remove

the other.

 

Once you remove these you cannot uninstall that update, so I always wait 60

days before removing them.

 

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Ken Blake, MVP added these comments in the current discussion du

jour ...

>> > In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB.

>> > What is the best way to remove if possible please?

>> >

>> That means "Knowledge Base" and is the list of all the

>> updates, security patches, etc. that you've downloaded over

>> time. If you delete them you won't be able to reapply them

>> without re- downloading. Some people do delete them once they

>> are SURE their system is stable but unless you are really

>> short of disk space, just leave that folder alone.

>

>

> I completely agree with that last sentence. And I'll add that

> if you are that short of disk space that the small amount

> these take up would make a difference, deleting them would

> just be a stopgap measure. If that's the situation, another

> drive or a bigger drive is urgently needed.

>

As is usual, Ken, I agree with you completely. My system shows just

823MB out of a partition size of 49GB. I run a light load so only

15GB is being used including my pagefile.sys and RPs so less than a

gig for the updates is small potatoes. Maybe someday I'll run them

all to optical ...

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"Surely you jest - and don't call me Shirley!" - from the movie

"Airplane!"

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:39:39 GMT, "HEMI-Powered" <none@none.en> wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP added these comments in the current discussion du

> jour ...

>

> >> > In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB.

> >> > What is the best way to remove if possible please?

> >> >

> >> That means "Knowledge Base" and is the list of all the

> >> updates, security patches, etc. that you've downloaded over

> >> time. If you delete them you won't be able to reapply them

> >> without re- downloading. Some people do delete them once they

> >> are SURE their system is stable but unless you are really

> >> short of disk space, just leave that folder alone.

> >

> >

> > I completely agree with that last sentence. And I'll add that

> > if you are that short of disk space that the small amount

> > these take up would make a difference, deleting them would

> > just be a stopgap measure. If that's the situation, another

> > drive or a bigger drive is urgently needed.

> >

> As is usual, Ken, I agree with you completely.

 

 

Thanks, Jerry.

 

> My system shows just 823MB

 

 

To put that 823MB into perspective, 823,000,000 looks like a big

number, but in these days of $100 500GB drives, it's under half a

dollar's worth of disk space.

 

> out of a partition size of 49GB. I run a light load so only

> 15GB is being used including my pagefile.sys and RPs so less than a

> gig for the updates is small potatoes. Maybe someday I'll run them

> all to optical ...

>

> --

> HP, aka Jerry

>

> "Surely you jest - and don't call me Shirley!" - from the movie

> "Airplane!"

 

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Ken Blake, MVP added these comments in the current discussion du

jour ...

>> As is usual, Ken, I agree with you completely.

>

> Thanks, Jerry.

 

You deserve the kudos, Ken. You're one of the most consistently

helpful people I've had the pleasure of talking to. Worse is I

agree with you almost all the time, now THAT worries me! <grin>

>

>> My system shows just 823MB

>

> To put that 823MB into perspective, 823,000,000 looks like a

> big number, but in these days of $100 500GB drives, it's under

> half a dollar's worth of disk space.

 

For another perspective, when I buy single layer DVD-Rs on sale,

they're only about two bits apiece in a spindle of 50 or 100.

That's only about 10 cents a gig for pretty reliable backups.

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"Surely you can't be serious! And don't call me Shirley!" - from

the movie "Airplane!"

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:28:29 GMT, "HEMI-Powered" <none@none.en> wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP added these comments in the current discussion du

> jour ...

>

> >> As is usual, Ken, I agree with you completely.

> >

> > Thanks, Jerry.

>

> You deserve the kudos, Ken. You're one of the most consistently

> helpful people I've had the pleasure of talking to.

 

 

 

Thanks again. Very nice of you to say so.

 

> Worse is I

> agree with you almost all the time, now THAT worries me! <grin>

 

 

LOL!

 

 

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[Guest Thee Chicago Wolf]

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>I can well understand this but couldn't MS develop an admin

>toolkit for that? Just for grins, what do Mac admins do? I'm not

>dissing you, I don't know. I was just commenting on a way that MS

>could increase stability and decrease bugs.

 

You would think. There are toolkits and all these little add-ons but

who the heck can remember to install them all much less keep track of

them? With a Mac, the official mantra is if it can't be done via GUI,

the command line isn't supported. Meaning, the GUI is robust enough to

accommodate whatever you need done but if one does have to drop down

to the command line, Mac doesn't officially support it. Very count to

Redmond logic, no?

>OK, but people like me do read "if you're rational you'll install

>SP3" as an implication that resisting makes me somehow irrational

>when I do, in fact, have my reasons the same as you have for

>wanting a command line. Let's let it drop, OK?

>

>As to what causes the most problems, I think it is a chicken and

>egg thing. i.e., HW wouldn't cause problems if it didn't need SW

>- drivers - to run, so which is the real culprit? But, my opinion

>of getting HW drivers and the like from the manufacturer and not

>from Bill the Gates still applies, I've read far to many tales of

>woe from people who let Windows update their drivers. Just one

>old fool's opinion, YMMV.

 

True, software does drive hardware but only to the extent that a

certain device is designed to do a certain thing. When a device is

asked to do something outside the parameters of its job, then things

get tricky. The only times I avoid WU for drivers is video drivers.

The ones for NIC or monitor are usually safe. Cheers.

 

- Thee Chicago Wolf