If the motherboard is changed

[Guest b11_]

If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

 

If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

[Guest Alias]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

b11_ wrote:

> If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>

> If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

 

If it's the exact same model motherboard, yes it will boot up and

nothing needs to be done. If it's a different model, you'll have to do a

repair install.

 

Alias

[Guest PD43]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

b11_ <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

 

Maybe, maybe not. It is usually necessary to do a repair install to

get things running.

>If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

 

Changing the motherboard CHANGES THE BIOS automatically. The BIOS

comes with the motherboard.

[Guest Bob I]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

b11_ wrote:

> If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

 

Maybe, depends on if the motherboard replacement has the same

components, chiefly the drive controller is the biggest gotcha.

>

> If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

 

What would you change the BIOS to?

[Guest John]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

 

"b11_" <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

 

BIOS resides on a chip installed on the motherboard. Where else can it be?

[Guest Kris]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_ wrote:

> If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

 

If it's similar - as in Nvidia chipset to Nvidia chipset, or P35 to P35, it

may well boot, at which point you would have to install the chipset drivers

for the new mobo. --> It does help if , before you cxhange the mobo, you

UNinstall the chipset drivers for the outgoing mobo. This increases,

slightly, the liklihood that the new one will boot.

 

If it doesn't boot, try a repair install (not talking about "recovery"

console"!!!), but have your data backed up (I use Acronis trueimage 11 to

image eqach partition to another spindle or to DVD), because if the repair

install doesn't work (locks up), you will have to do a full install. In

all liklihood you will also have to do the quick re-activation/validation,

though this depends on the degree of change and your change history. Even

by phone, it is really quick as they now have an automated option for "was

your mobo bad?" (say yes). Bless MS - I went through 3 bad mobos and it

was easy. I also don't activate until I've proved out the new mobo a bit!

 

>

> If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

 

The bios parameters and setup are in the little CMOS chip which is part of

a mobo, so, when you first turn on the new mobo, before you try to boot it

to the opsys, you would need to go into BIOS setup and set the date, time,

and parameters. Before actually installing a new mobo, I usually use the

mobo jumper to clear the CMOS to eliminate any stray wierdness that might

be present. Expect the first boot to take longer (minute or 2)as XP

immediately recognized that things are different and does it's thing.

 

 

--

Kris

--------

DFI Infinity Blood-Iron P35-T2RL | E2200Alen 2.2@2.86 TtP0310 | 2x1gb

Mushkin HP 800@1040 |

| MSI NX8600GTS-OC 256mb | Raidmax RX530-SS psu | XP Pro SP 2

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_

<b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

 

 

If the new one is identical (or nearly so) to the old one, yes.

Otherwise, very likely not.

 

At the very least you almost always need to do a repair installation.

 

That usually works, but occasionally it's not sufficient, and a clean

reinstallation is required. So be prepared for that possibility with

up-to-date backups, software media for reinstallation, etc.

 

> If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

 

 

 

?? I don't understand that question. The BIOS resides on, and is part

of, the motherboard. If you change the motherboard, the BIOS

necessarily gets changed with it. You don't have an option to change

it or not.

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest b11_]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

The motherboard would be different.

 

What is a repair installation?

 

If the harddrive is wiped clean _BEFORE_ changing the motherboard, then the

motherboard is installed, then Wxp is installed, then would Wxp _positively_

boot?

 

______________________________________________________________

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_

> <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> > If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>

>

> If the new one is identical (or nearly so) to the old one, yes.

> Otherwise, very likely not.

>

> At the very least you almost always need to do a repair installation.

>

> That usually works, but occasionally it's not sufficient, and a clean

> reinstallation is required. So be prepared for that possibility with

> up-to-date backups, software media for reinstallation, etc.

>

>

> > If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

>

>

>

> ?? I don't understand that question. The BIOS resides on, and is part

> of, the motherboard. If you change the motherboard, the BIOS

> necessarily gets changed with it. You don't have an option to change

> it or not.

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

[Guest PD43]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

b11_ <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>What is a repair installation?

 

Hoo boy!

 

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

>If the harddrive is wiped clean _BEFORE_ changing the motherboard, then the

>motherboard is installed, then Wxp is installed, then would Wxp _positively_

>boot?

 

Nothing is "positively" sure... but the chances that it would are

great.

 

That said... ALL of your programs that you currently have installed

will be lost.

 

Do you want to lose them?

[Guest b11_]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

The Wxp I have is an OEM version, not the retail version.

 

How does one prove-out a new motherboard?

___________________________________________________________

"Kris" wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_ wrote:

>

> > If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>

> If it's similar - as in Nvidia chipset to Nvidia chipset, or P35 to P35, it

> may well boot, at which point you would have to install the chipset drivers

> for the new mobo. --> It does help if , before you cxhange the mobo, you

> UNinstall the chipset drivers for the outgoing mobo. This increases,

> slightly, the liklihood that the new one will boot.

>

> If it doesn't boot, try a repair install (not talking about "recovery"

> console"!!!), but have your data backed up (I use Acronis trueimage 11 to

> image eqach partition to another spindle or to DVD), because if the repair

> install doesn't work (locks up), you will have to do a full install. In

> all liklihood you will also have to do the quick re-activation/validation,

> though this depends on the degree of change and your change history. Even

> by phone, it is really quick as they now have an automated option for "was

> your mobo bad?" (say yes). Bless MS - I went through 3 bad mobos and it

> was easy. I also don't activate until I've proved out the new mobo a bit!

>

>

> >

> > If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

>

> The bios parameters and setup are in the little CMOS chip which is part of

> a mobo, so, when you first turn on the new mobo, before you try to boot it

> to the opsys, you would need to go into BIOS setup and set the date, time,

> and parameters. Before actually installing a new mobo, I usually use the

> mobo jumper to clear the CMOS to eliminate any stray wierdness that might

> be present. Expect the first boot to take longer (minute or 2)as XP

> immediately recognized that things are different and does it's thing.

>

>

> --

> Kris

> --------

> DFI Infinity Blood-Iron P35-T2RL | E2200Alen 2.2@2.86 TtP0310 | 2x1gb

> Mushkin HP 800@1040 |

> | MSI NX8600GTS-OC 256mb | Raidmax RX530-SS psu | XP Pro SP 2

>

[Guest PD43]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

b11_ <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>The Wxp I have is an OEM version, not the retail version.

 

You can't do a repair install. You might not be able to do anything

else either.

[Guest b11_]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

Have the OEM, not the retail version of Wxp so I do not have the console.

_______________________________________________________________

 

"Kris" wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_ wrote:

>

> > If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>

> If it's similar - as in Nvidia chipset to Nvidia chipset, or P35 to P35, it

> may well boot, at which point you would have to install the chipset drivers

> for the new mobo. --> It does help if , before you cxhange the mobo, you

> UNinstall the chipset drivers for the outgoing mobo. This increases,

> slightly, the liklihood that the new one will boot.

>

> If it doesn't boot, try a repair install (not talking about "recovery"

> console"!!!), but have your data backed up (I use Acronis trueimage 11 to

> image eqach partition to another spindle or to DVD), because if the repair

> install doesn't work (locks up), you will have to do a full install. In

> all liklihood you will also have to do the quick re-activation/validation,

> though this depends on the degree of change and your change history. Even

> by phone, it is really quick as they now have an automated option for "was

> your mobo bad?" (say yes). Bless MS - I went through 3 bad mobos and it

> was easy. I also don't activate until I've proved out the new mobo a bit!

>

>

> >

> > If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

>

> The bios parameters and setup are in the little CMOS chip which is part of

> a mobo, so, when you first turn on the new mobo, before you try to boot it

> to the opsys, you would need to go into BIOS setup and set the date, time,

> and parameters. Before actually installing a new mobo, I usually use the

> mobo jumper to clear the CMOS to eliminate any stray wierdness that might

> be present. Expect the first boot to take longer (minute or 2)as XP

> immediately recognized that things are different and does it's thing.

>

>

> --

> Kris

> --------

> DFI Infinity Blood-Iron P35-T2RL | E2200Alen 2.2@2.86 TtP0310 | 2x1gb

> Mushkin HP 800@1040 |

> | MSI NX8600GTS-OC 256mb | Raidmax RX530-SS psu | XP Pro SP 2

>

[Guest Bob I]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

Where did the OEM come from? HP, DELL, or generic? If the former two,

you can contact them for resolution, if the later, reload from scratch

will take care of any issues.

 

b11_ wrote:

> The Wxp I have is an OEM version, not the retail version.

>

> How does one prove-out a new motherboard?

> ___________________________________________________________

> "Kris" wrote:

>

>

>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_ wrote:

>>

>>

>>>If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>>

>>If it's similar - as in Nvidia chipset to Nvidia chipset, or P35 to P35, it

>>may well boot, at which point you would have to install the chipset drivers

>>for the new mobo. --> It does help if , before you cxhange the mobo, you

>>UNinstall the chipset drivers for the outgoing mobo. This increases,

>>slightly, the liklihood that the new one will boot.

>>

>>If it doesn't boot, try a repair install (not talking about "recovery"

>>console"!!!), but have your data backed up (I use Acronis trueimage 11 to

>>image eqach partition to another spindle or to DVD), because if the repair

>>install doesn't work (locks up), you will have to do a full install. In

>>all liklihood you will also have to do the quick re-activation/validation,

>>though this depends on the degree of change and your change history. Even

>>by phone, it is really quick as they now have an automated option for "was

>>your mobo bad?" (say yes). Bless MS - I went through 3 bad mobos and it

>>was easy. I also don't activate until I've proved out the new mobo a bit!

>>

>>

>>

>>>If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

>>

>>The bios parameters and setup are in the little CMOS chip which is part of

>>a mobo, so, when you first turn on the new mobo, before you try to boot it

>>to the opsys, you would need to go into BIOS setup and set the date, time,

>>and parameters. Before actually installing a new mobo, I usually use the

>>mobo jumper to clear the CMOS to eliminate any stray wierdness that might

>>be present. Expect the first boot to take longer (minute or 2)as XP

>>immediately recognized that things are different and does it's thing.

>>

>>

>>--

>>Kris

>>--------

>>DFI Infinity Blood-Iron P35-T2RL | E2200Alen 2.2@2.86 TtP0310 | 2x1gb

>>Mushkin HP 800@1040 |

>>| MSI NX8600GTS-OC 256mb | Raidmax RX530-SS psu | XP Pro SP 2

>>

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:03 -0700, b11_

<b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> The motherboard would be different.

>

> What is a repair installation?

 

 

It's essentially a reloading of Windows files. I don't like the term

myself, since I think it confuses people. I wish Microsoft had just

called it a "repair."

 

> If the harddrive is wiped clean _BEFORE_ changing the motherboard, then the

> motherboard is installed, then Wxp is installed, then would Wxp _positively_

> boot?

 

 

No need to wipe the drive before changing the motherboard. You simply

need to do a clean installation of Windows. When you do that and

follow the prompts correctly, it begins by formatting ("wiping clean")

the drive. You can find detailed instructions here:

 

http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

 

or here

http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org/how_do_i_install_windows_xp.htm

 

or here http://windowsxp.mvps.org/XPClean.htm

 

or here http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm

 

 

You ask "would Wxp _positively_ boot?" stressing the word

"positively." I'm almost never willing to say that something is

"positively" going to happen, especially when it comes to computers.

There are *always* things that can wrong.

 

That said, there's no reason to expect that a motherboard change (if

done properly) followed by a clean installation would cause a problem.

 

But I had understood from your previous message, that you didn't want

to reinstall Windows, but keep all the data and installed programs on

the drive. Is that not correct?

> ______________________________________________________________

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

> > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_

> > <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >

> > > If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

> >

> >

> > If the new one is identical (or nearly so) to the old one, yes.

> > Otherwise, very likely not.

> >

> > At the very least you almost always need to do a repair installation.

> >

> > That usually works, but occasionally it's not sufficient, and a clean

> > reinstallation is required. So be prepared for that possibility with

> > up-to-date backups, software media for reinstallation, etc.

> >

> >

> > > If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

> >

> >

> >

> > ?? I don't understand that question. The BIOS resides on, and is part

> > of, the motherboard. If you change the motherboard, the BIOS

> > necessarily gets changed with it. You don't have an option to change

> > it or not.

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest Lil' Dave]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

"b11_" <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:003FCE96-0F41-44A3-9429-DAF477CEC492@microsoft.com...

> If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>

> If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

 

 

Topics of many past posts...

 

Going the same route as last M.O. minimal provided information in

98generaldiscussion newsgroup, eh? Standby for I told you so to this

newsgroup.

 

--

Dave

 

My vote in this primary was for the lesser

of many evils...

[Guest b11_]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

I do want to keep the apps and data but the motherboard is going to be

different so I am considering the worst possible situation which, I think,

would require a re-install of Wxp; but now I am confused because I got the

impression that if the motherboard is changed for a very different

motherboard then Wxp will _NEVER_ boot even if a fresh install is done.

 

The Wxp, that came with the computer, was "activated" before I bought the

computer. The Wxp that came with the computer is an OEM version, not a retail

version.

_________________________________________________________________

 

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:03 -0700, b11_

> <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> > The motherboard would be different.

> >

> > What is a repair installation?

>

>

> It's essentially a reloading of Windows files. I don't like the term

> myself, since I think it confuses people. I wish Microsoft had just

> called it a "repair."

>

>

> > If the harddrive is wiped clean _BEFORE_ changing the motherboard, then the

> > motherboard is installed, then Wxp is installed, then would Wxp _positively_

> > boot?

>

>

> No need to wipe the drive before changing the motherboard. You simply

> need to do a clean installation of Windows. When you do that and

> follow the prompts correctly, it begins by formatting ("wiping clean")

> the drive. You can find detailed instructions here:

>

> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

>

> or here

> http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org/how_do_i_install_windows_xp.htm

>

> or here http://windowsxp.mvps.org/XPClean.htm

>

> or here http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm

>

>

> You ask "would Wxp _positively_ boot?" stressing the word

> "positively." I'm almost never willing to say that something is

> "positively" going to happen, especially when it comes to computers.

> There are *always* things that can wrong.

>

> That said, there's no reason to expect that a motherboard change (if

> done properly) followed by a clean installation would cause a problem.

>

> But I had understood from your previous message, that you didn't want

> to reinstall Windows, but keep all the data and installed programs on

> the drive. Is that not correct?

>

> > ______________________________________________________________

> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >

> > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_

> > > <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > > If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

> > >

> > >

> > > If the new one is identical (or nearly so) to the old one, yes.

> > > Otherwise, very likely not.

> > >

> > > At the very least you almost always need to do a repair installation.

> > >

> > > That usually works, but occasionally it's not sufficient, and a clean

> > > reinstallation is required. So be prepared for that possibility with

> > > up-to-date backups, software media for reinstallation, etc.

> > >

> > >

> > > > If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ?? I don't understand that question. The BIOS resides on, and is part

> > > of, the motherboard. If you change the motherboard, the BIOS

> > > necessarily gets changed with it. You don't have an option to change

> > > it or not.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > >

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

[Guest DL]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

It depends what type of OEM version you have, or more simply who the

origonal supplier was.

Some OEM cd's are locked to the origonal hardware, and if so unless you

purchase a new motherboard from the origonal supplier it wont install or run

 

"b11_" <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:B1FEFBCB-EC78-4204-B3FF-6589BB378A8E@microsoft.com...

>I do want to keep the apps and data but the motherboard is going to be

> different so I am considering the worst possible situation which, I think,

> would require a re-install of Wxp; but now I am confused because I got the

> impression that if the motherboard is changed for a very different

> motherboard then Wxp will _NEVER_ boot even if a fresh install is done.

>

> The Wxp, that came with the computer, was "activated" before I bought the

> computer. The Wxp that came with the computer is an OEM version, not a

> retail

> version.

> _________________________________________________________________

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:03 -0700, b11_

>> <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>

>> > The motherboard would be different.

>> >

>> > What is a repair installation?

>>

>>

>> It's essentially a reloading of Windows files. I don't like the term

>> myself, since I think it confuses people. I wish Microsoft had just

>> called it a "repair."

>>

>>

>> > If the harddrive is wiped clean _BEFORE_ changing the motherboard, then

>> > the

>> > motherboard is installed, then Wxp is installed, then would Wxp

>> > _positively_

>> > boot?

>>

>>

>> No need to wipe the drive before changing the motherboard. You simply

>> need to do a clean installation of Windows. When you do that and

>> follow the prompts correctly, it begins by formatting ("wiping clean")

>> the drive. You can find detailed instructions here:

>>

>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

>>

>> or here

>> http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org/how_do_i_install_windows_xp.htm

>>

>> or here http://windowsxp.mvps.org/XPClean.htm

>>

>> or here http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm

>>

>>

>> You ask "would Wxp _positively_ boot?" stressing the word

>> "positively." I'm almost never willing to say that something is

>> "positively" going to happen, especially when it comes to computers.

>> There are *always* things that can wrong.

>>

>> That said, there's no reason to expect that a motherboard change (if

>> done properly) followed by a clean installation would cause a problem.

>>

>> But I had understood from your previous message, that you didn't want

>> to reinstall Windows, but keep all the data and installed programs on

>> the drive. Is that not correct?

>>

>> > ______________________________________________________________

>> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>> >

>> > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_

>> > > <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>> > >

>> > > > If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > If the new one is identical (or nearly so) to the old one, yes.

>> > > Otherwise, very likely not.

>> > >

>> > > At the very least you almost always need to do a repair installation.

>> > >

>> > > That usually works, but occasionally it's not sufficient, and a clean

>> > > reinstallation is required. So be prepared for that possibility with

>> > > up-to-date backups, software media for reinstallation, etc.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > > If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > ?? I don't understand that question. The BIOS resides on, and is part

>> > > of, the motherboard. If you change the motherboard, the BIOS

>> > > necessarily gets changed with it. You don't have an option to change

>> > > it or not.

>> > >

>> > > --

>> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>> > >

>>

>> --

>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>>

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

That cannot be true as far as XP as an operating system goes of course, but

it may be true of the XP cd that came with the computer. It may indeed

refuse to install because of technology used by the manufacturer. The

technology is called SLP. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Locked_Preinstallation.

 

This article may be of some help also:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb457078.aspx

 

"b11_" <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:B1FEFBCB-EC78-4204-B3FF-6589BB378A8E@microsoft.com...

>I do want to keep the apps and data but the motherboard is going to be

> different so I am considering the worst possible situation which, I think,

> would require a re-install of Wxp; but now I am confused because I got the

> impression that if the motherboard is changed for a very different

> motherboard then Wxp will _NEVER_ boot even if a fresh install is done.

>

> The Wxp, that came with the computer, was "activated" before I bought the

> computer. The Wxp that came with the computer is an OEM version, not a

> retail

> version.

> _________________________________________________________________

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:03 -0700, b11_

>> <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>

>> > The motherboard would be different.

>> >

>> > What is a repair installation?

>>

>>

>> It's essentially a reloading of Windows files. I don't like the term

>> myself, since I think it confuses people. I wish Microsoft had just

>> called it a "repair."

>>

>>

>> > If the harddrive is wiped clean _BEFORE_ changing the motherboard, then

>> > the

>> > motherboard is installed, then Wxp is installed, then would Wxp

>> > _positively_

>> > boot?

>>

>>

>> No need to wipe the drive before changing the motherboard. You simply

>> need to do a clean installation of Windows. When you do that and

>> follow the prompts correctly, it begins by formatting ("wiping clean")

>> the drive. You can find detailed instructions here:

>>

>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

>>

>> or here

>> http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org/how_do_i_install_windows_xp.htm

>>

>> or here http://windowsxp.mvps.org/XPClean.htm

>>

>> or here http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm

>>

>>

>> You ask "would Wxp _positively_ boot?" stressing the word

>> "positively." I'm almost never willing to say that something is

>> "positively" going to happen, especially when it comes to computers.

>> There are *always* things that can wrong.

>>

>> That said, there's no reason to expect that a motherboard change (if

>> done properly) followed by a clean installation would cause a problem.

>>

>> But I had understood from your previous message, that you didn't want

>> to reinstall Windows, but keep all the data and installed programs on

>> the drive. Is that not correct?

>>

>> > ______________________________________________________________

>> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>> >

>> > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_

>> > > <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>> > >

>> > > > If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > If the new one is identical (or nearly so) to the old one, yes.

>> > > Otherwise, very likely not.

>> > >

>> > > At the very least you almost always need to do a repair installation.

>> > >

>> > > That usually works, but occasionally it's not sufficient, and a clean

>> > > reinstallation is required. So be prepared for that possibility with

>> > > up-to-date backups, software media for reinstallation, etc.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > > If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > ?? I don't understand that question. The BIOS resides on, and is part

>> > > of, the motherboard. If you change the motherboard, the BIOS

>> > > necessarily gets changed with it. You don't have an option to change

>> > > it or not.

>> > >

>> > > --

>> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>> > >

>>

>> --

>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>>

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:39:01 -0700, b11_

<b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I do want to keep the apps and data but the motherboard is going to be

> different so I am considering the worst possible situation which, I think,

> would require a re-install of Wxp; but now I am confused because I got the

> impression that if the motherboard is changed for a very different

> motherboard then Wxp will _NEVER_ boot even if a fresh install is done.

 

 

No, that's not at all correct. Let me restate it:

 

1. Unless the new motherboard is identical to the old one, you will

have to do at least a repair installation.

 

2. That usually works, but occasionally it's not sufficient, and a

clean reinstallation is required. That's worst case, but barring

something terrible going wrong, will always work.

 

Most of the time, by far, step 1 is sufficient. I just waned to alert

you of the possibility of needing step 2, so you are prepared for it

if the worst happens. So be prepared for that possibility with

up-to-date backups, software media for reinstallation, etc. You

*probably won't need them, but better to be prepared than sorry.

 

> The Wxp, that came with the computer, was "activated" before I bought the

> computer. The Wxp that came with the computer is an OEM version, not a retail

> version.

> _________________________________________________________________

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

> > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:03 -0700, b11_

> > <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >

> > > The motherboard would be different.

> > >

> > > What is a repair installation?

> >

> >

> > It's essentially a reloading of Windows files. I don't like the term

> > myself, since I think it confuses people. I wish Microsoft had just

> > called it a "repair."

> >

> >

> > > If the harddrive is wiped clean _BEFORE_ changing the motherboard, then the

> > > motherboard is installed, then Wxp is installed, then would Wxp _positively_

> > > boot?

> >

> >

> > No need to wipe the drive before changing the motherboard. You simply

> > need to do a clean installation of Windows. When you do that and

> > follow the prompts correctly, it begins by formatting ("wiping clean")

> > the drive. You can find detailed instructions here:

> >

> > http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

> >

> > or here

> > http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org/how_do_i_install_windows_xp.htm

> >

> > or here http://windowsxp.mvps.org/XPClean.htm

> >

> > or here http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm

> >

> >

> > You ask "would Wxp _positively_ boot?" stressing the word

> > "positively." I'm almost never willing to say that something is

> > "positively" going to happen, especially when it comes to computers.

> > There are *always* things that can wrong.

> >

> > That said, there's no reason to expect that a motherboard change (if

> > done properly) followed by a clean installation would cause a problem.

> >

> > But I had understood from your previous message, that you didn't want

> > to reinstall Windows, but keep all the data and installed programs on

> > the drive. Is that not correct?

> >

> > > ______________________________________________________________

> > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > >

> > > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_

> > > > <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > If the new one is identical (or nearly so) to the old one, yes.

> > > > Otherwise, very likely not.

> > > >

> > > > At the very least you almost always need to do a repair installation.

> > > >

> > > > That usually works, but occasionally it's not sufficient, and a clean

> > > > reinstallation is required. So be prepared for that possibility with

> > > > up-to-date backups, software media for reinstallation, etc.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ?? I don't understand that question. The BIOS resides on, and is part

> > > > of, the motherboard. If you change the motherboard, the BIOS

> > > > necessarily gets changed with it. You don't have an option to change

> > > > it or not.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > >

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >

 

--

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Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest Bruce Chambers]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

b11_ wrote:

> If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>

 

 

Normally, and assuming a retail license (many factory-installed OEM

installations are BIOS-locked to a specific motherboard chipset and

therefore are *not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours

*before* starting), unless the new motherboard is virtually identical

(same chipset, same IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one

on which the WinXP installation was originally performed, you'll need to

perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very least:

 

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP

http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341

 

Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with WinXP Installed

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

 

The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing to do with

licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical matter, at this point.

You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from under the OS. (If

you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it as picking up a

Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a Ranch style

foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like Win2K before it,

is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to accepting any

old hardware configuration you throw at it. On installation it

"tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This is one of the

reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much more stable

than the Win9x group.

 

As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any

important data before starting.

 

This will also probably require re-activation, unless you have a

Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's been more than

120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll most

likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's

been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

 

> If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

 

 

Since the BIOS is stored on a CMOS chip soldered to the motherboard, yes.

 

 

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[Guest Kris]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:21:39 -0700, b11_ wrote:

> The Wxp I have is an OEM version, not the retail version.

 

should make no difference. Mine is an OEM upgrade version.

>

> How does one prove-out a new motherboard?

I do things like (install latest mobo chipset, LAN, and whatever drivers,

and latest vid card driver, run 3DMark06, various internet speed tests, HD

Tach on all spindles, Crank up my HDTV (Autumnwave OnAir GT USB HDTV w

5.1Dolby), Firefox, TBird, Kyodai Mahjong, Paragon Partition Mgr 9, Acronis

TrueImage 11, A/V (I use AVG at the moment), firewall (I use XP or Comodo

and test with Gibson for stealth), etc. In other words as qauickly as

possible, I hammer it - solid cpu or solid video, or solid internet or some

combi.

 

I had one mobo (P5K) (an open box) which had a bad sata controller.

Another worked fine until the nic went a day later (P5K). Another showed

memory clocking problems which was either memory controller or northbridge

(DS3L). Fortunately I had bought locally so life was easy. The one I have

now has been great and tollerates 30% OCing that the Mushkin was rated for.

 

This last set of mobos was my intro to Intel, and I simply got a bad set.

So proving out a mobo is simply grabbing a few programs and hammering cpu,

memory, and vid card. That's why MS gives you 30 days, though I don't

think I've ever gone beyond 2 - If I haven't broken it by then, it's a

keeper!

 

Good luck!

> ___________________________________________________________

> "Kris" wrote:

>

>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_ wrote:

>>

>>> If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>>

>> If it's similar - as in Nvidia chipset to Nvidia chipset, or P35 to P35, it

>> may well boot, at which point you would have to install the chipset drivers

>> for the new mobo. --> It does help if , before you cxhange the mobo, you

>> UNinstall the chipset drivers for the outgoing mobo. This increases,

>> slightly, the liklihood that the new one will boot.

>>

>> If it doesn't boot, try a repair install (not talking about "recovery"

>> console"!!!), but have your data backed up (I use Acronis trueimage 11 to

>> image eqach partition to another spindle or to DVD), because if the repair

>> install doesn't work (locks up), you will have to do a full install. In

>> all liklihood you will also have to do the quick re-activation/validation,

>> though this depends on the degree of change and your change history. Even

>> by phone, it is really quick as they now have an automated option for "was

>> your mobo bad?" (say yes). Bless MS - I went through 3 bad mobos and it

>> was easy. I also don't activate until I've proved out the new mobo a bit!

>>

>>

>>>

>>> If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

>>

>> The bios parameters and setup are in the little CMOS chip which is part of

>> a mobo, so, when you first turn on the new mobo, before you try to boot it

>> to the opsys, you would need to go into BIOS setup and set the date, time,

>> and parameters. Before actually installing a new mobo, I usually use the

>> mobo jumper to clear the CMOS to eliminate any stray wierdness that might

>> be present. Expect the first boot to take longer (minute or 2)as XP

>> immediately recognized that things are different and does it's thing.

>>

>>

>> --

>> Kris

>> --------

>> DFI Infinity Blood-Iron P35-T2RL | E2200Alen 2.2@2.86 TtP0310 | 2x1gb

>> Mushkin HP 800@1040 |

>>| MSI NX8600GTS-OC 256mb | Raidmax RX530-SS psu | XP Pro SP 2

>>

 

 

--

Kris

--------

DFI Infinity Blood-Iron P35-T2RL | E2200Alen 2.2@2.86 TtP0310 |

| 2x1gb Mushkin HP 800@1040 | MSI NX8600GTS-OC 256mb |

| Raidmax RX530-SS psu | XP Pro SP 2

[Guest Kris]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:30:02 -0500, PD43 wrote:

> b11_ <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

>>The Wxp I have is an OEM version, not the retail version.

>

> You can't do a repair install. You might not be able to do anything

> else either.

 

This is false info.

--

Kris

--------

DFI Infinity Blood-Iron P35-T2RL | E2200Alen 2.2@2.86 TtP0310 |

| 2x1gb Mushkin HP 800@1040 | MSI NX8600GTS-OC 256mb |

| Raidmax RX530-SS psu | XP Pro SP 2

[Guest Kris]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:39:02 -0700, b11_ wrote:

> Have the OEM, not the retail version of Wxp so I do not have the console.

 

Have you tried it? The recovery console is selected early on in the boot

of the XP CD. A repair install is chosen later after it has identified

your XP install and asks you if you want to repair it or install over it.

 

> _______________________________________________________________

>

> "Kris" wrote:

>

>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_ wrote:

>>

>>> If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>>

>> If it's similar - as in Nvidia chipset to Nvidia chipset, or P35 to P35, it

>> may well boot, at which point you would have to install the chipset drivers

>> for the new mobo. --> It does help if , before you cxhange the mobo, you

>> UNinstall the chipset drivers for the outgoing mobo. This increases,

>> slightly, the liklihood that the new one will boot.

>>

>> If it doesn't boot, try a repair install (not talking about "recovery"

>> console"!!!), but have your data backed up (I use Acronis trueimage 11 to

>> image eqach partition to another spindle or to DVD), because if the repair

>> install doesn't work (locks up), you will have to do a full install. In

>> all liklihood you will also have to do the quick re-activation/validation,

>> though this depends on the degree of change and your change history. Even

>> by phone, it is really quick as they now have an automated option for "was

>> your mobo bad?" (say yes). Bless MS - I went through 3 bad mobos and it

>> was easy. I also don't activate until I've proved out the new mobo a bit!

>>

>>

>>>

>>> If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

>>

>> The bios parameters and setup are in the little CMOS chip which is part of

>> a mobo, so, when you first turn on the new mobo, before you try to boot it

>> to the opsys, you would need to go into BIOS setup and set the date, time,

>> and parameters. Before actually installing a new mobo, I usually use the

>> mobo jumper to clear the CMOS to eliminate any stray wierdness that might

>> be present. Expect the first boot to take longer (minute or 2)as XP

>> immediately recognized that things are different and does it's thing.

>>

>>

>> --

>> Kris

>> --------

>> DFI Infinity Blood-Iron P35-T2RL | E2200Alen 2.2@2.86 TtP0310 | 2x1gb

>> Mushkin HP 800@1040 |

>>| MSI NX8600GTS-OC 256mb | Raidmax RX530-SS psu | XP Pro SP 2

>>

 

 

--

Kris

--------

DFI Infinity Blood-Iron P35-T2RL | E2200Alen 2.2@2.86 TtP0310 |

| 2x1gb Mushkin HP 800@1040 | MSI NX8600GTS-OC 256mb |

| Raidmax RX530-SS psu | XP Pro SP 2

[Guest Kris]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:03 -0700, b11_ wrote:

> The motherboard would be different.

>

> What is a repair installation?

>

> If the harddrive is wiped clean _BEFORE_ changing the motherboard, then the

> motherboard is installed, then Wxp is installed, then would Wxp _positively_

> boot?

 

Why would you wipe the HD clean? Don't unless it is bad.

>

> ______________________________________________________________

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:45:02 -0700, b11_

>> <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>

>>> If the motherboard is changed, will Wxp boot?

>>

>>

>> If the new one is identical (or nearly so) to the old one, yes.

>> Otherwise, very likely not.

>>

>> At the very least you almost always need to do a repair installation.

>>

>> That usually works, but occasionally it's not sufficient, and a clean

>> reinstallation is required. So be prepared for that possibility with

>> up-to-date backups, software media for reinstallation, etc.

>>

>>

>>> If the motherboard is changed, must the BIOS be changed?

>>

>>

>>

>> ?? I don't understand that question. The BIOS resides on, and is part

>> of, the motherboard. If you change the motherboard, the BIOS

>> necessarily gets changed with it. You don't have an option to change

>> it or not.

>>

>> --

>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>>

 

 

--

Kris

--------

DFI Infinity Blood-Iron P35-T2RL | E2200Alen 2.2@2.86 TtP0310 |

| 2x1gb Mushkin HP 800@1040 | MSI NX8600GTS-OC 256mb |

| Raidmax RX530-SS psu | XP Pro SP 2

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: If the motherboard is changed

 

 

"Kris" <a@b.net> wrote in message news:1oh93nf5j2d5l$.dlg@myhost7.org...

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:30:02 -0500, PD43 wrote:

>

>> b11_ <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>

>>>The Wxp I have is an OEM version, not the retail version.

>>

>> You can't do a repair install. You might not be able to do anything

>> else either.

>

> This is false info.

>

 

Possibly. Possibly not.

 

If the OEM Windows XP is tied to the BIOS as many are, then changing the

BIOS will certainly stop it from working.