XP Home to XP pro ?

[Guest RJK]

Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

bought), with a "repair install," or have I got to start from scratch and

sit here for a week ! ?

 

regards, Richard

[Guest Gordon]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

RJK wrote:

> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

> bought), with a "repair install," or have I got to start from scratch and

> sit here for a week ! ?

>

> regards, Richard

>

>

 

No, you can upgrade.

But why would you want to, other than if you need to join a Domain?

[Guest Alias]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

RJK wrote:

> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

> bought), with a "repair install," or have I got to start from scratch and

> sit here for a week ! ?

>

> regards, Richard

>

>

 

"Sitting for a week" will be worth it, although I can't imagine a clean

install taking that long unless you're installing hundreds of programs.

 

Any particular reason you want to upgrade?

 

Alias

[Guest Tim Slattery]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

>bought), with a "repair install," or have I got to start from scratch

 

It should be an upgrade, not a repair install. If there's no upgrade

option, then maybe you bought an OEM disk, which can't do an upgrade.

 

--

Tim Slattery

MS MVP(Shell/User)

Slattery_T@bls.gov

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

[Guest RJK]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

Thanx, ...I thought that a necessary component for "Remote Assistance" was

included in XP Pro but, not in XP Home ed.

i.e. with XP Pro I can "remote assist" a remote XP Home platform but, not

the other way around.

 

regards, Richard

 

 

"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

news:63lhdnF28d0mcU1@mid.individual.net...

> RJK wrote:

>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

>> bought), with a "repair install," or have I got to start from scratch and

>> sit here for a week ! ?

>>

>> regards, Richard

>

> No, you can upgrade.

> But why would you want to, other than if you need to join a Domain?

[Guest RJK]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

Thanx, ...I thought that a necessary component for "Remote Assistance" was

included in XP Pro but, not in XP Home ed.

i.e. with XP Pro I can "remote assist" a remote XP Home platform but, not

the other way around.

 

regards, Richard

 

 

"Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

news:O5yk0iugIHA.6084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> RJK wrote:

>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

>> bought), with a "repair install," or have I got to start from scratch and

>> sit here for a week ! ?

>>

>> regards, Richard

>

> "Sitting for a week" will be worth it, although I can't imagine a clean

> install taking that long unless you're installing hundreds of programs.

>

> Any particular reason you want to upgrade?

>

> Alias

>

[Guest RJK]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

Thanx, I did buy XP Pro OEM, ...and was hoping I could "repair install" :-(

 

also ...I thought that a necessary component for "Remote Assistance" was

included in XP Pro but, not in XP Home ed.

i.e. with XP Pro I can "remote assist" a remote XP Home platform but, not

the other way around.

 

regards, Richard

 

 

 

"Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

news:l85bt3d6ud65ab1a2r07ij54j1ich3njtv@4ax.com...

> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>>Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

>>bought), with a "repair install," or have I got to start from scratch

>

> It should be an upgrade, not a repair install. If there's no upgrade

> option, then maybe you bought an OEM disk, which can't do an upgrade.

>

> --

> Tim Slattery

> MS MVP(Shell/User)

> Slattery_T@bls.gov

> http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

[Guest Gordon]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

RJK wrote:

> Thanx, ...I thought that a necessary component for "Remote Assistance" was

> included in XP Pro but, not in XP Home ed.

> i.e. with XP Pro I can "remote assist" a remote XP Home platform but, not

> the other way around.

>

 

Do you mean remote desktop? if so, then yes you need Pro. However, you

can use remote assistance with Home, because it uses Windows messenger...

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

That's correct. However you do not upgrade with a repair install. Start XP

Home, insert the XP Pro cd at the desktop and click Upgrade on the splash

screen.

 

"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:O66JcsugIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Thanx, ...I thought that a necessary component for "Remote Assistance"

> was included in XP Pro but, not in XP Home ed.

> i.e. with XP Pro I can "remote assist" a remote XP Home platform but, not

> the other way around.

>

> regards, Richard

>

>

> "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

> news:63lhdnF28d0mcU1@mid.individual.net...

>> RJK wrote:

>>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

>>> bought), with a "repair install," or have I got to start from scratch

>>> and sit here for a week ! ?

>>>

>>> regards, Richard

>>

>> No, you can upgrade.

>> But why would you want to, other than if you need to join a Domain?

>

>

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

No. Both the edition and service pack level must agree (hard disk and cd)

in order to do a repair install. My earlier reply assumed you had purchased

a retail upgrade edition.

 

You do understand that the OEM license you purchased will not be

transferrable to a new computer?

 

"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:uN2PMtugIHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Thanx, I did buy XP Pro OEM, ...and was hoping I could "repair install"

> :-(

>

> also ...I thought that a necessary component for "Remote Assistance" was

> included in XP Pro but, not in XP Home ed.

> i.e. with XP Pro I can "remote assist" a remote XP Home platform but, not

> the other way around.

>

> regards, Richard

>

>

>

> "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

> news:l85bt3d6ud65ab1a2r07ij54j1ich3njtv@4ax.com...

>> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

>>>bought), with a "repair install," or have I got to start from scratch

>>

>> It should be an upgrade, not a repair install. If there's no upgrade

>> option, then maybe you bought an OEM disk, which can't do an upgrade.

>>

>> --

>> Tim Slattery

>> MS MVP(Shell/User)

>> Slattery_T@bls.gov

>> http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

>

>

[Guest RJK]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

Thanks again,

 

....I did mean XP's "Remote Desktop," as opposed to 3rd party " Remote * "

application programs.

The OEM license for the XP Pro I've bought, hasn't been installed into a PC

yet !

....so when the mood takes me, I may install it from scratch. It really does

take quite a long time to tweak up a fresh install, into the way one like

it, ...even "piling everything back in from 2nd hd" !! there MS updates,

and codecs, considerable no, of programs to install and I have all the

updates for them on 2nd hd, but, a "fresh" installation always feels quite

nice, after the effort :-)

 

regards, Richard

 

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:39261B30-22B4-41C8-B9E9-59A70B7C43F0@microsoft.com...

> No. Both the edition and service pack level must agree (hard disk and cd)

> in order to do a repair install. My earlier reply assumed you had

> purchased a retail upgrade edition.

>

> You do understand that the OEM license you purchased will not be

> transferrable to a new computer?

>

> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:uN2PMtugIHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Thanx, I did buy XP Pro OEM, ...and was hoping I could "repair install"

>> :-(

>>

>> also ...I thought that a necessary component for "Remote Assistance" was

>> included in XP Pro but, not in XP Home ed.

>> i.e. with XP Pro I can "remote assist" a remote XP Home platform but, not

>> the other way around.

>>

>> regards, Richard

>>

>>

>>

>> "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

>> news:l85bt3d6ud65ab1a2r07ij54j1ich3njtv@4ax.com...

>>> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

>>>>bought), with a "repair install," or have I got to start from scratch

>>>

>>> It should be an upgrade, not a repair install. If there's no upgrade

>>> option, then maybe you bought an OEM disk, which can't do an upgrade.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Tim Slattery

>>> MS MVP(Shell/User)

>>> Slattery_T@bls.gov

>>> http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

>>

>>

>

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:34 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

wrote:

> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

> bought),

 

 

Yes, if you bought a Full or Upgrade version. No, if you've bought an

OEM reason. OEM versions do not do upgrades of any kind.

 

> with a "repair install,"

 

 

No, you don't do a repair installation. You do an upgrade

installation.

 

May I ask why you want to do this? Before you get concerned with the

details of how to do this, perhaps you should revisit the question of

*whether* to do it. Why do you want to? What do you hope to gain?

 

Are you aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in

all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly

related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but

not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features

aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead of

Home is a waste of money.

 

For details go to

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

 

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

 

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

 

 

Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:

Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home only

five.

 

 

> or have I got to start from scratch and

> sit here for a week ! ?

>

> regards, Richard

>

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest RJK]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

Thanks Ken

 

....as mentioned earlier in this thread, I want to set up XPs' "Remote

Desktop," to help out a few people with basic tasks, I'm now coming to

realise that I will have to install afresh due to having bought OEM XP Pro

:-)

....this will take a weekend !!! all those myriad tiny little things like

dropping a new msvp hosts file into etc, hardening up for internet, tweaking

codecs, and reinstalling progs. and prog. updates at speed from 2nd hd,

where I keep everything, will take several hours !!! ...I may have to

treat myself to a bottle of wine to help the procedure along !

 

regards, Richard

 

 

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

news:k27bt39t7s8k2o3fl55vdfrnh9r0lmp9ks@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:34 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

> wrote:

>

>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

>> bought),

>

>

> Yes, if you bought a Full or Upgrade version. No, if you've bought an

> OEM reason. OEM versions do not do upgrades of any kind.

>

>

>> with a "repair install,"

>

>

> No, you don't do a repair installation. You do an upgrade

> installation.

>

> May I ask why you want to do this? Before you get concerned with the

> details of how to do this, perhaps you should revisit the question of

> *whether* to do it. Why do you want to? What do you hope to gain?

>

> Are you aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in

> all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly

> related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but

> not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features

> aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead of

> Home is a waste of money.

>

> For details go to

> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

>

>

> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

>

>

> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

>

>

> Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:

> Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home only

> five.

>

>

>

>> or have I got to start from scratch and

>> sit here for a week ! ?

>>

>> regards, Richard

>>

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

Have you thought about doing this in a virtual machine on your XP Home

desktop? Of course it depends on how much ram you presently have now.

 

"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:eOPpJGvgIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Thanks Ken

>

> ...as mentioned earlier in this thread, I want to set up XPs' "Remote

> Desktop," to help out a few people with basic tasks, I'm now coming to

> realise that I will have to install afresh due to having bought OEM XP Pro

> :-)

> ...this will take a weekend !!! all those myriad tiny little things like

> dropping a new msvp hosts file into etc, hardening up for internet,

> tweaking codecs, and reinstalling progs. and prog. updates at speed from

> 2nd hd, where I keep everything, will take several hours !!! ...I may

> have to treat myself to a bottle of wine to help the procedure along !

>

> regards, Richard

>

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

> news:k27bt39t7s8k2o3fl55vdfrnh9r0lmp9ks@4ax.com...

>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:34 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

>>> bought),

>>

>>

>> Yes, if you bought a Full or Upgrade version. No, if you've bought an

>> OEM reason. OEM versions do not do upgrades of any kind.

>>

>>

>>> with a "repair install,"

>>

>>

>> No, you don't do a repair installation. You do an upgrade

>> installation.

>>

>> May I ask why you want to do this? Before you get concerned with the

>> details of how to do this, perhaps you should revisit the question of

>> *whether* to do it. Why do you want to? What do you hope to gain?

>>

>> Are you aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in

>> all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly

>> related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but

>> not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features

>> aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead of

>> Home is a waste of money.

>>

>> For details go to

>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

>>

>>

>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

>>

>>

>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

>>

>>

>> Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:

>> Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home only

>> five.

>>

>>

>>

>>> or have I got to start from scratch and

>>> sit here for a week ! ?

>>>

>>> regards, Richard

>>>

>>

>> --

>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

>

[Guest RJK]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

Thanks Colin,

 

To be more specific, (I do love moaning, ever such a lot, when faced with a

fresh XP install, as you may have gathered!).

Even though I can work at a terrific rate of knots knocking things into the

shape I want them, it's simply the very large number of small tweaks,

adjustments, driver installs, etc, i.e. ...personalising / making settings,

the offline and online defrags, temporarily fixing the paging file min. and

max. size to 1.5 time amount of ram to stop Windows altering it for a while,

Doug Knox's vbs script to kill messenger, printer drivers, ....all these

little things ...okay an hour, or two, or three ...prolly more like 4 or 5

!!!

THEN, despite having done all that, and across the next few weeks, almost

EVERY time one goes to the PC to perform a task something is not quite

right, or is not "in there," and one spends time further adjusting or

tweaking, or installing and further tweaking, and the task is abandoned !

i.e. even after attempting the most thorough "re-install" from scratch,

....one rarely covers all the bases !

....re: setting up a virtual machine, I only have 1gb of RAM, ...not really

necessary, my hd's are quite fast and motherboard is in dual channel memory

mode, i.e "old" D935 cpu is quite swift i.e. the machine is pretty

responsive ,.....it's just the "dread" of reinstalling from scratch !

 

regards, Richard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:50717881-C314-46ED-B44D-E2D49180F6CF@microsoft.com...

> Have you thought about doing this in a virtual machine on your XP Home

> desktop? Of course it depends on how much ram you presently have now.

>

> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:eOPpJGvgIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Thanks Ken

>>

>> ...as mentioned earlier in this thread, I want to set up XPs' "Remote

>> Desktop," to help out a few people with basic tasks, I'm now coming to

>> realise that I will have to install afresh due to having bought OEM XP

>> Pro :-)

>> ...this will take a weekend !!! all those myriad tiny little things like

>> dropping a new msvp hosts file into etc, hardening up for internet,

>> tweaking codecs, and reinstalling progs. and prog. updates at speed from

>> 2nd hd, where I keep everything, will take several hours !!! ...I may

>> have to treat myself to a bottle of wine to help the procedure along !

>>

>> regards, Richard

>>

>>

>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

>> news:k27bt39t7s8k2o3fl55vdfrnh9r0lmp9ks@4ax.com...

>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:34 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've

>>>> just

>>>> bought),

>>>

>>>

>>> Yes, if you bought a Full or Upgrade version. No, if you've bought an

>>> OEM reason. OEM versions do not do upgrades of any kind.

>>>

>>>

>>>> with a "repair install,"

>>>

>>>

>>> No, you don't do a repair installation. You do an upgrade

>>> installation.

>>>

>>> May I ask why you want to do this? Before you get concerned with the

>>> details of how to do this, perhaps you should revisit the question of

>>> *whether* to do it. Why do you want to? What do you hope to gain?

>>>

>>> Are you aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in

>>> all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly

>>> related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but

>>> not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features

>>> aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead of

>>> Home is a waste of money.

>>>

>>> For details go to

>>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

>>>

>>>

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

>>>

>>>

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

>>>

>>>

>>> Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:

>>> Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home only

>>> five.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> or have I got to start from scratch and

>>>> sit here for a week ! ?

>>>>

>>>> regards, Richard

>>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>>

>>

>

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:58:47 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

wrote:

> Thanks Ken

 

 

You're welcome. Glad to help.

 

> ...as mentioned earlier in this thread, I want to set up XPs' "Remote

> Desktop," to help out a few people with basic tasks, I'm now coming to

> realise that I will have to install afresh due to having bought OEM XP Pro

> :-)

 

 

Is it too late to return the OEM version you bought and get a retail

upgrade instead? It's usually only slightly more expensive.

 

> ...this will take a weekend !!! all those myriad tiny little things like

> dropping a new msvp hosts file into etc, hardening up for internet, tweaking

> codecs, and reinstalling progs. and prog. updates at speed from 2nd hd,

> where I keep everything, will take several hours !!!

 

 

I understand. For many people it can be a lot more than several hours.

It would be much more for me.

 

> ...I may have to

> treat myself to a bottle of wine to help the procedure along !

 

 

As much as I enjoy wine myself, I don't recommend drinking it while

doing this sort of thing. You should keep your head as clear as

possible.

 

 

> regards, Richard

>

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

> news:k27bt39t7s8k2o3fl55vdfrnh9r0lmp9ks@4ax.com...

> > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:34 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

> > wrote:

> >

> >> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've just

> >> bought),

> >

> >

> > Yes, if you bought a Full or Upgrade version. No, if you've bought an

> > OEM reason. OEM versions do not do upgrades of any kind.

> >

> >

> >> with a "repair install,"

> >

> >

> > No, you don't do a repair installation. You do an upgrade

> > installation.

> >

> > May I ask why you want to do this? Before you get concerned with the

> > details of how to do this, perhaps you should revisit the question of

> > *whether* to do it. Why do you want to? What do you hope to gain?

> >

> > Are you aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in

> > all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly

> > related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but

> > not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features

> > aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead of

> > Home is a waste of money.

> >

> > For details go to

> > http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

> >

> >

> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

> >

> >

> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

> >

> >

> > Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:

> > Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home only

> > five.

> >

> >

> >

> >> or have I got to start from scratch and

> >> sit here for a week ! ?

> >>

> >> regards, Richard

> >>

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

But did you understand my question? Maybe Ken can shed some advice on this

point too. I think you can do what you want to do without disturbing your

XP Home installation if you have enough memory on the box. You can install

the copy of XP Pro you just got into a virtual machine under Virtual PC 2007

(free). Then you would have a computer within a computer effect. You could

run XP Pro in a window on your XP Home desktop. You could do the things you

need XP Pro for and then just close the XP Pro virtual machine when you

don't need it.

 

A lot depends on your hardware but in theory at least it should work. That

would mean a hour or so to set up XP Pro and no changes at all to what you

are running now. You don't have to partition like you would dual booting

and you can work in both XP Home and XP Pro at the same time whenever you

need to.

 

"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:uuLIl5vgIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Thanks Colin,

>

> To be more specific, (I do love moaning, ever such a lot, when faced with

> a fresh XP install, as you may have gathered!).

> Even though I can work at a terrific rate of knots knocking things into

> the shape I want them, it's simply the very large number of small tweaks,

> adjustments, driver installs, etc, i.e. ...personalising / making

> settings, the offline and online defrags, temporarily fixing the paging

> file min. and max. size to 1.5 time amount of ram to stop Windows altering

> it for a while, Doug Knox's vbs script to kill messenger, printer drivers,

> ....all these little things ...okay an hour, or two, or three ...prolly

> more like 4 or 5 !!!

> THEN, despite having done all that, and across the next few weeks, almost

> EVERY time one goes to the PC to perform a task something is not quite

> right, or is not "in there," and one spends time further adjusting or

> tweaking, or installing and further tweaking, and the task is abandoned !

> i.e. even after attempting the most thorough "re-install" from scratch,

> ...one rarely covers all the bases !

> ...re: setting up a virtual machine, I only have 1gb of RAM, ...not really

> necessary, my hd's are quite fast and motherboard is in dual channel

> memory mode, i.e "old" D935 cpu is quite swift i.e. the machine is pretty

> responsive ,.....it's just the "dread" of reinstalling from scratch !

>

> regards, Richard

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:50717881-C314-46ED-B44D-E2D49180F6CF@microsoft.com...

>> Have you thought about doing this in a virtual machine on your XP Home

>> desktop? Of course it depends on how much ram you presently have now.

>>

>> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:eOPpJGvgIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Thanks Ken

>>>

>>> ...as mentioned earlier in this thread, I want to set up XPs' "Remote

>>> Desktop," to help out a few people with basic tasks, I'm now coming to

>>> realise that I will have to install afresh due to having bought OEM XP

>>> Pro :-)

>>> ...this will take a weekend !!! all those myriad tiny little things

>>> like dropping a new msvp hosts file into etc, hardening up for internet,

>>> tweaking codecs, and reinstalling progs. and prog. updates at speed from

>>> 2nd hd, where I keep everything, will take several hours !!! ...I may

>>> have to treat myself to a bottle of wine to help the procedure along !

>>>

>>> regards, Richard

>>>

>>>

>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

>>> news:k27bt39t7s8k2o3fl55vdfrnh9r0lmp9ks@4ax.com...

>>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:34 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've

>>>>> just

>>>>> bought),

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Yes, if you bought a Full or Upgrade version. No, if you've bought an

>>>> OEM reason. OEM versions do not do upgrades of any kind.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> with a "repair install,"

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> No, you don't do a repair installation. You do an upgrade

>>>> installation.

>>>>

>>>> May I ask why you want to do this? Before you get concerned with the

>>>> details of how to do this, perhaps you should revisit the question of

>>>> *whether* to do it. Why do you want to? What do you hope to gain?

>>>>

>>>> Are you aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in

>>>> all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly

>>>> related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but

>>>> not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features

>>>> aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead of

>>>> Home is a waste of money.

>>>>

>>>> For details go to

>>>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:

>>>> Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home only

>>>> five.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> or have I got to start from scratch and

>>>>> sit here for a week ! ?

>>>>>

>>>>> regards, Richard

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:43:57 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst"

<c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

> But did you understand my question? Maybe Ken can shed some advice on this

> point too. I think you can do what you want to do without disturbing your

> XP Home installation if you have enough memory on the box. You can install

> the copy of XP Pro you just got into a virtual machine under Virtual PC 2007

> (free). Then you would have a computer within a computer effect. You could

> run XP Pro in a window on your XP Home desktop. You could do the things you

> need XP Pro for and then just close the XP Pro virtual machine when you

> don't need it.

 

 

I think that's a great suggestion for him, and should be a lot easier

than a clean reinstallation. The only problem is that I think Virtual

PC is not supported under XP Home, only Professional. I think it does

work under Home, though. I've never done it though, so if you don't

know for sure, perhaps someone else can chime in with a definitive

answer.

 

> A lot depends on your hardware but in theory at least it should work. That

> would mean a hour or so to set up XP Pro and no changes at all to what you

> are running now. You don't have to partition like you would dual booting

> and you can work in both XP Home and XP Pro at the same time whenever you

> need to.

>

> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:uuLIl5vgIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > Thanks Colin,

> >

> > To be more specific, (I do love moaning, ever such a lot, when faced with

> > a fresh XP install, as you may have gathered!).

> > Even though I can work at a terrific rate of knots knocking things into

> > the shape I want them, it's simply the very large number of small tweaks,

> > adjustments, driver installs, etc, i.e. ...personalising / making

> > settings, the offline and online defrags, temporarily fixing the paging

> > file min. and max. size to 1.5 time amount of ram to stop Windows altering

> > it for a while, Doug Knox's vbs script to kill messenger, printer drivers,

> > ....all these little things ...okay an hour, or two, or three ...prolly

> > more like 4 or 5 !!!

> > THEN, despite having done all that, and across the next few weeks, almost

> > EVERY time one goes to the PC to perform a task something is not quite

> > right, or is not "in there," and one spends time further adjusting or

> > tweaking, or installing and further tweaking, and the task is abandoned !

> > i.e. even after attempting the most thorough "re-install" from scratch,

> > ...one rarely covers all the bases !

> > ...re: setting up a virtual machine, I only have 1gb of RAM, ...not really

> > necessary, my hd's are quite fast and motherboard is in dual channel

> > memory mode, i.e "old" D935 cpu is quite swift i.e. the machine is pretty

> > responsive ,.....it's just the "dread" of reinstalling from scratch !

> >

> > regards, Richard

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> > news:50717881-C314-46ED-B44D-E2D49180F6CF@microsoft.com...

> >> Have you thought about doing this in a virtual machine on your XP Home

> >> desktop? Of course it depends on how much ram you presently have now.

> >>

> >> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >> news:eOPpJGvgIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> >>> Thanks Ken

> >>>

> >>> ...as mentioned earlier in this thread, I want to set up XPs' "Remote

> >>> Desktop," to help out a few people with basic tasks, I'm now coming to

> >>> realise that I will have to install afresh due to having bought OEM XP

> >>> Pro :-)

> >>> ...this will take a weekend !!! all those myriad tiny little things

> >>> like dropping a new msvp hosts file into etc, hardening up for internet,

> >>> tweaking codecs, and reinstalling progs. and prog. updates at speed from

> >>> 2nd hd, where I keep everything, will take several hours !!! ...I may

> >>> have to treat myself to a bottle of wine to help the procedure along !

> >>>

> >>> regards, Richard

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

> >>> news:k27bt39t7s8k2o3fl55vdfrnh9r0lmp9ks@4ax.com...

> >>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:34 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

> >>>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've

> >>>>> just

> >>>>> bought),

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Yes, if you bought a Full or Upgrade version. No, if you've bought an

> >>>> OEM reason. OEM versions do not do upgrades of any kind.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>> with a "repair install,"

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> No, you don't do a repair installation. You do an upgrade

> >>>> installation.

> >>>>

> >>>> May I ask why you want to do this? Before you get concerned with the

> >>>> details of how to do this, perhaps you should revisit the question of

> >>>> *whether* to do it. Why do you want to? What do you hope to gain?

> >>>>

> >>>> Are you aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in

> >>>> all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly

> >>>> related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but

> >>>> not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features

> >>>> aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead of

> >>>> Home is a waste of money.

> >>>>

> >>>> For details go to

> >>>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:

> >>>> Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home only

> >>>> five.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>> or have I got to start from scratch and

> >>>>> sit here for a week ! ?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> regards, Richard

> >>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> --

> >>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

It works fine on a Home host. The "support" issue is that it is not

eligible for phone and email support from MS when run on a consumer edition

of any OS. But if a user is using a preinstalled edition of the host he is

not eligible for that support anyway.

 

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

news:cfobt359ivd1ifuhsb8eiof0veivletiku@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:43:57 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst"

> <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>

>> But did you understand my question? Maybe Ken can shed some advice on

>> this

>> point too. I think you can do what you want to do without disturbing

>> your

>> XP Home installation if you have enough memory on the box. You can

>> install

>> the copy of XP Pro you just got into a virtual machine under Virtual PC

>> 2007

>> (free). Then you would have a computer within a computer effect. You

>> could

>> run XP Pro in a window on your XP Home desktop. You could do the things

>> you

>> need XP Pro for and then just close the XP Pro virtual machine when you

>> don't need it.

>

>

> I think that's a great suggestion for him, and should be a lot easier

> than a clean reinstallation. The only problem is that I think Virtual

> PC is not supported under XP Home, only Professional. I think it does

> work under Home, though. I've never done it though, so if you don't

> know for sure, perhaps someone else can chime in with a definitive

> answer.

>

>

>> A lot depends on your hardware but in theory at least it should work.

>> That

>> would mean a hour or so to set up XP Pro and no changes at all to what

>> you

>> are running now. You don't have to partition like you would dual booting

>> and you can work in both XP Home and XP Pro at the same time whenever you

>> need to.

>>

>> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:uuLIl5vgIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> > Thanks Colin,

>> >

>> > To be more specific, (I do love moaning, ever such a lot, when faced

>> > with

>> > a fresh XP install, as you may have gathered!).

>> > Even though I can work at a terrific rate of knots knocking things into

>> > the shape I want them, it's simply the very large number of small

>> > tweaks,

>> > adjustments, driver installs, etc, i.e. ...personalising / making

>> > settings, the offline and online defrags, temporarily fixing the paging

>> > file min. and max. size to 1.5 time amount of ram to stop Windows

>> > altering

>> > it for a while, Doug Knox's vbs script to kill messenger, printer

>> > drivers,

>> > ....all these little things ...okay an hour, or two, or three ...prolly

>> > more like 4 or 5 !!!

>> > THEN, despite having done all that, and across the next few weeks,

>> > almost

>> > EVERY time one goes to the PC to perform a task something is not quite

>> > right, or is not "in there," and one spends time further adjusting or

>> > tweaking, or installing and further tweaking, and the task is abandoned

>> > !

>> > i.e. even after attempting the most thorough "re-install" from scratch,

>> > ...one rarely covers all the bases !

>> > ...re: setting up a virtual machine, I only have 1gb of RAM, ...not

>> > really

>> > necessary, my hd's are quite fast and motherboard is in dual channel

>> > memory mode, i.e "old" D935 cpu is quite swift i.e. the machine is

>> > pretty

>> > responsive ,.....it's just the "dread" of reinstalling from scratch !

>> >

>> > regards, Richard

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> > news:50717881-C314-46ED-B44D-E2D49180F6CF@microsoft.com...

>> >> Have you thought about doing this in a virtual machine on your XP Home

>> >> desktop? Of course it depends on how much ram you presently have now.

>> >>

>> >> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:eOPpJGvgIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> >>> Thanks Ken

>> >>>

>> >>> ...as mentioned earlier in this thread, I want to set up XPs' "Remote

>> >>> Desktop," to help out a few people with basic tasks, I'm now coming

>> >>> to

>> >>> realise that I will have to install afresh due to having bought OEM

>> >>> XP

>> >>> Pro :-)

>> >>> ...this will take a weekend !!! all those myriad tiny little things

>> >>> like dropping a new msvp hosts file into etc, hardening up for

>> >>> internet,

>> >>> tweaking codecs, and reinstalling progs. and prog. updates at speed

>> >>> from

>> >>> 2nd hd, where I keep everything, will take several hours !!! ...I

>> >>> may

>> >>> have to treat myself to a bottle of wine to help the procedure along

>> >>> !

>> >>>

>> >>> regards, Richard

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

>> >>> news:k27bt39t7s8k2o3fl55vdfrnh9r0lmp9ks@4ax.com...

>> >>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:34 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

>> >>>> wrote:

>> >>>>

>> >>>>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've

>> >>>>> just

>> >>>>> bought),

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Yes, if you bought a Full or Upgrade version. No, if you've bought

>> >>>> an

>> >>>> OEM reason. OEM versions do not do upgrades of any kind.

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>>> with a "repair install,"

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> No, you don't do a repair installation. You do an upgrade

>> >>>> installation.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> May I ask why you want to do this? Before you get concerned with the

>> >>>> details of how to do this, perhaps you should revisit the question

>> >>>> of

>> >>>> *whether* to do it. Why do you want to? What do you hope to gain?

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Are you aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same

>> >>>> in

>> >>>> all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly

>> >>>> related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but

>> >>>> not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features

>> >>>> aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead

>> >>>> of

>> >>>> Home is a waste of money.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> For details go to

>> >>>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:

>> >>>> Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home

>> >>>> only

>> >>>> five.

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>>> or have I got to start from scratch and

>> >>>>> sit here for a week ! ?

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> regards, Richard

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> --

>> >>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> >>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

And, yes, my wife uses VPC on her XP Home based laptop without issues.

 

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

news:cfobt359ivd1ifuhsb8eiof0veivletiku@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:43:57 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst"

> <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>

>> But did you understand my question? Maybe Ken can shed some advice on

>> this

>> point too. I think you can do what you want to do without disturbing

>> your

>> XP Home installation if you have enough memory on the box. You can

>> install

>> the copy of XP Pro you just got into a virtual machine under Virtual PC

>> 2007

>> (free). Then you would have a computer within a computer effect. You

>> could

>> run XP Pro in a window on your XP Home desktop. You could do the things

>> you

>> need XP Pro for and then just close the XP Pro virtual machine when you

>> don't need it.

>

>

> I think that's a great suggestion for him, and should be a lot easier

> than a clean reinstallation. The only problem is that I think Virtual

> PC is not supported under XP Home, only Professional. I think it does

> work under Home, though. I've never done it though, so if you don't

> know for sure, perhaps someone else can chime in with a definitive

> answer.

>

>

>> A lot depends on your hardware but in theory at least it should work.

>> That

>> would mean a hour or so to set up XP Pro and no changes at all to what

>> you

>> are running now. You don't have to partition like you would dual booting

>> and you can work in both XP Home and XP Pro at the same time whenever you

>> need to.

>>

>> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:uuLIl5vgIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> > Thanks Colin,

>> >

>> > To be more specific, (I do love moaning, ever such a lot, when faced

>> > with

>> > a fresh XP install, as you may have gathered!).

>> > Even though I can work at a terrific rate of knots knocking things into

>> > the shape I want them, it's simply the very large number of small

>> > tweaks,

>> > adjustments, driver installs, etc, i.e. ...personalising / making

>> > settings, the offline and online defrags, temporarily fixing the paging

>> > file min. and max. size to 1.5 time amount of ram to stop Windows

>> > altering

>> > it for a while, Doug Knox's vbs script to kill messenger, printer

>> > drivers,

>> > ....all these little things ...okay an hour, or two, or three ...prolly

>> > more like 4 or 5 !!!

>> > THEN, despite having done all that, and across the next few weeks,

>> > almost

>> > EVERY time one goes to the PC to perform a task something is not quite

>> > right, or is not "in there," and one spends time further adjusting or

>> > tweaking, or installing and further tweaking, and the task is abandoned

>> > !

>> > i.e. even after attempting the most thorough "re-install" from scratch,

>> > ...one rarely covers all the bases !

>> > ...re: setting up a virtual machine, I only have 1gb of RAM, ...not

>> > really

>> > necessary, my hd's are quite fast and motherboard is in dual channel

>> > memory mode, i.e "old" D935 cpu is quite swift i.e. the machine is

>> > pretty

>> > responsive ,.....it's just the "dread" of reinstalling from scratch !

>> >

>> > regards, Richard

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> > news:50717881-C314-46ED-B44D-E2D49180F6CF@microsoft.com...

>> >> Have you thought about doing this in a virtual machine on your XP Home

>> >> desktop? Of course it depends on how much ram you presently have now.

>> >>

>> >> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:eOPpJGvgIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> >>> Thanks Ken

>> >>>

>> >>> ...as mentioned earlier in this thread, I want to set up XPs' "Remote

>> >>> Desktop," to help out a few people with basic tasks, I'm now coming

>> >>> to

>> >>> realise that I will have to install afresh due to having bought OEM

>> >>> XP

>> >>> Pro :-)

>> >>> ...this will take a weekend !!! all those myriad tiny little things

>> >>> like dropping a new msvp hosts file into etc, hardening up for

>> >>> internet,

>> >>> tweaking codecs, and reinstalling progs. and prog. updates at speed

>> >>> from

>> >>> 2nd hd, where I keep everything, will take several hours !!! ...I

>> >>> may

>> >>> have to treat myself to a bottle of wine to help the procedure along

>> >>> !

>> >>>

>> >>> regards, Richard

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

>> >>> news:k27bt39t7s8k2o3fl55vdfrnh9r0lmp9ks@4ax.com...

>> >>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:34 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

>> >>>> wrote:

>> >>>>

>> >>>>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've

>> >>>>> just

>> >>>>> bought),

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Yes, if you bought a Full or Upgrade version. No, if you've bought

>> >>>> an

>> >>>> OEM reason. OEM versions do not do upgrades of any kind.

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>>> with a "repair install,"

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> No, you don't do a repair installation. You do an upgrade

>> >>>> installation.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> May I ask why you want to do this? Before you get concerned with the

>> >>>> details of how to do this, perhaps you should revisit the question

>> >>>> of

>> >>>> *whether* to do it. Why do you want to? What do you hope to gain?

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Are you aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same

>> >>>> in

>> >>>> all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly

>> >>>> related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but

>> >>>> not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features

>> >>>> aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead

>> >>>> of

>> >>>> Home is a waste of money.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> For details go to

>> >>>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:

>> >>>> Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home

>> >>>> only

>> >>>> five.

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>>> or have I got to start from scratch and

>> >>>>> sit here for a week ! ?

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> regards, Richard

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> --

>> >>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> >>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:20:39 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst"

<c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

> It works fine on a Home host. The "support" issue is that it is not

> eligible for phone and email support from MS when run on a consumer edition

> of any OS. But if a user is using a preinstalled edition of the host he is

> not eligible for that support anyway.

 

 

Thanks for the clarification. That's what I thought, but wasn't sure.

 

 

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

> news:cfobt359ivd1ifuhsb8eiof0veivletiku@4ax.com...

> > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:43:57 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst"

> > <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

> >

> >> But did you understand my question? Maybe Ken can shed some advice on

> >> this

> >> point too. I think you can do what you want to do without disturbing

> >> your

> >> XP Home installation if you have enough memory on the box. You can

> >> install

> >> the copy of XP Pro you just got into a virtual machine under Virtual PC

> >> 2007

> >> (free). Then you would have a computer within a computer effect. You

> >> could

> >> run XP Pro in a window on your XP Home desktop. You could do the things

> >> you

> >> need XP Pro for and then just close the XP Pro virtual machine when you

> >> don't need it.

> >

> >

> > I think that's a great suggestion for him, and should be a lot easier

> > than a clean reinstallation. The only problem is that I think Virtual

> > PC is not supported under XP Home, only Professional. I think it does

> > work under Home, though. I've never done it though, so if you don't

> > know for sure, perhaps someone else can chime in with a definitive

> > answer.

> >

> >

> >> A lot depends on your hardware but in theory at least it should work.

> >> That

> >> would mean a hour or so to set up XP Pro and no changes at all to what

> >> you

> >> are running now. You don't have to partition like you would dual booting

> >> and you can work in both XP Home and XP Pro at the same time whenever you

> >> need to.

> >>

> >> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >> news:uuLIl5vgIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> >> > Thanks Colin,

> >> >

> >> > To be more specific, (I do love moaning, ever such a lot, when faced

> >> > with

> >> > a fresh XP install, as you may have gathered!).

> >> > Even though I can work at a terrific rate of knots knocking things into

> >> > the shape I want them, it's simply the very large number of small

> >> > tweaks,

> >> > adjustments, driver installs, etc, i.e. ...personalising / making

> >> > settings, the offline and online defrags, temporarily fixing the paging

> >> > file min. and max. size to 1.5 time amount of ram to stop Windows

> >> > altering

> >> > it for a while, Doug Knox's vbs script to kill messenger, printer

> >> > drivers,

> >> > ....all these little things ...okay an hour, or two, or three ...prolly

> >> > more like 4 or 5 !!!

> >> > THEN, despite having done all that, and across the next few weeks,

> >> > almost

> >> > EVERY time one goes to the PC to perform a task something is not quite

> >> > right, or is not "in there," and one spends time further adjusting or

> >> > tweaking, or installing and further tweaking, and the task is abandoned

> >> > !

> >> > i.e. even after attempting the most thorough "re-install" from scratch,

> >> > ...one rarely covers all the bases !

> >> > ...re: setting up a virtual machine, I only have 1gb of RAM, ...not

> >> > really

> >> > necessary, my hd's are quite fast and motherboard is in dual channel

> >> > memory mode, i.e "old" D935 cpu is quite swift i.e. the machine is

> >> > pretty

> >> > responsive ,.....it's just the "dread" of reinstalling from scratch !

> >> >

> >> > regards, Richard

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> >> > news:50717881-C314-46ED-B44D-E2D49180F6CF@microsoft.com...

> >> >> Have you thought about doing this in a virtual machine on your XP Home

> >> >> desktop? Of course it depends on how much ram you presently have now.

> >> >>

> >> >> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:eOPpJGvgIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> >> >>> Thanks Ken

> >> >>>

> >> >>> ...as mentioned earlier in this thread, I want to set up XPs' "Remote

> >> >>> Desktop," to help out a few people with basic tasks, I'm now coming

> >> >>> to

> >> >>> realise that I will have to install afresh due to having bought OEM

> >> >>> XP

> >> >>> Pro :-)

> >> >>> ...this will take a weekend !!! all those myriad tiny little things

> >> >>> like dropping a new msvp hosts file into etc, hardening up for

> >> >>> internet,

> >> >>> tweaking codecs, and reinstalling progs. and prog. updates at speed

> >> >>> from

> >> >>> 2nd hd, where I keep everything, will take several hours !!! ...I

> >> >>> may

> >> >>> have to treat myself to a bottle of wine to help the procedure along

> >> >>> !

> >> >>>

> >> >>> regards, Richard

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

> >> >>> news:k27bt39t7s8k2o3fl55vdfrnh9r0lmp9ks@4ax.com...

> >> >>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:34 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

> >> >>>> wrote:

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that I've

> >> >>>>> just

> >> >>>>> bought),

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Yes, if you bought a Full or Upgrade version. No, if you've bought

> >> >>>> an

> >> >>>> OEM reason. OEM versions do not do upgrades of any kind.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>> with a "repair install,"

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> No, you don't do a repair installation. You do an upgrade

> >> >>>> installation.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> May I ask why you want to do this? Before you get concerned with the

> >> >>>> details of how to do this, perhaps you should revisit the question

> >> >>>> of

> >> >>>> *whether* to do it. Why do you want to? What do you hope to gain?

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Are you aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same

> >> >>>> in

> >> >>>> all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly

> >> >>>> related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but

> >> >>>> not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features

> >> >>>> aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead

> >> >>>> of

> >> >>>> Home is a waste of money.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> For details go to

> >> >>>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:

> >> >>>> Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home

> >> >>>> only

> >> >>>> five.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>> or have I got to start from scratch and

> >> >>>>> sit here for a week ! ?

> >> >>>>>

> >> >>>>> regards, Richard

> >> >>>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> --

> >> >>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >> >>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Guest RJK]

Re: XP Home to XP pro ?

 

Thank you both again.

 

regards, Richard

 

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:79DFB2D9-E6E6-491C-B13E-895332854F00@microsoft.com...

> And, yes, my wife uses VPC on her XP Home based laptop without issues.

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

> news:cfobt359ivd1ifuhsb8eiof0veivletiku@4ax.com...

>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:43:57 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst"

>> <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>>

>>> But did you understand my question? Maybe Ken can shed some advice on

>>> this

>>> point too. I think you can do what you want to do without disturbing

>>> your

>>> XP Home installation if you have enough memory on the box. You can

>>> install

>>> the copy of XP Pro you just got into a virtual machine under Virtual PC

>>> 2007

>>> (free). Then you would have a computer within a computer effect. You

>>> could

>>> run XP Pro in a window on your XP Home desktop. You could do the things

>>> you

>>> need XP Pro for and then just close the XP Pro virtual machine when you

>>> don't need it.

>>

>>

>> I think that's a great suggestion for him, and should be a lot easier

>> than a clean reinstallation. The only problem is that I think Virtual

>> PC is not supported under XP Home, only Professional. I think it does

>> work under Home, though. I've never done it though, so if you don't

>> know for sure, perhaps someone else can chime in with a definitive

>> answer.

>>

>>

>>> A lot depends on your hardware but in theory at least it should work.

>>> That

>>> would mean a hour or so to set up XP Pro and no changes at all to what

>>> you

>>> are running now. You don't have to partition like you would dual

>>> booting

>>> and you can work in both XP Home and XP Pro at the same time whenever

>>> you

>>> need to.

>>>

>>> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:uuLIl5vgIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> > Thanks Colin,

>>> >

>>> > To be more specific, (I do love moaning, ever such a lot, when faced

>>> > with

>>> > a fresh XP install, as you may have gathered!).

>>> > Even though I can work at a terrific rate of knots knocking things

>>> > into

>>> > the shape I want them, it's simply the very large number of small

>>> > tweaks,

>>> > adjustments, driver installs, etc, i.e. ...personalising / making

>>> > settings, the offline and online defrags, temporarily fixing the

>>> > paging

>>> > file min. and max. size to 1.5 time amount of ram to stop Windows

>>> > altering

>>> > it for a while, Doug Knox's vbs script to kill messenger, printer

>>> > drivers,

>>> > ....all these little things ...okay an hour, or two, or three

>>> > ...prolly

>>> > more like 4 or 5 !!!

>>> > THEN, despite having done all that, and across the next few weeks,

>>> > almost

>>> > EVERY time one goes to the PC to perform a task something is not quite

>>> > right, or is not "in there," and one spends time further adjusting or

>>> > tweaking, or installing and further tweaking, and the task is

>>> > abandoned !

>>> > i.e. even after attempting the most thorough "re-install" from

>>> > scratch,

>>> > ...one rarely covers all the bases !

>>> > ...re: setting up a virtual machine, I only have 1gb of RAM, ...not

>>> > really

>>> > necessary, my hd's are quite fast and motherboard is in dual channel

>>> > memory mode, i.e "old" D935 cpu is quite swift i.e. the machine is

>>> > pretty

>>> > responsive ,.....it's just the "dread" of reinstalling from scratch !

>>> >

>>> > regards, Richard

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>> > news:50717881-C314-46ED-B44D-E2D49180F6CF@microsoft.com...

>>> >> Have you thought about doing this in a virtual machine on your XP

>>> >> Home

>>> >> desktop? Of course it depends on how much ram you presently have

>>> >> now.

>>> >>

>>> >> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>> >> news:eOPpJGvgIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> >>> Thanks Ken

>>> >>>

>>> >>> ...as mentioned earlier in this thread, I want to set up XPs'

>>> >>> "Remote

>>> >>> Desktop," to help out a few people with basic tasks, I'm now coming

>>> >>> to

>>> >>> realise that I will have to install afresh due to having bought OEM

>>> >>> XP

>>> >>> Pro :-)

>>> >>> ...this will take a weekend !!! all those myriad tiny little things

>>> >>> like dropping a new msvp hosts file into etc, hardening up for

>>> >>> internet,

>>> >>> tweaking codecs, and reinstalling progs. and prog. updates at speed

>>> >>> from

>>> >>> 2nd hd, where I keep everything, will take several hours !!! ...I

>>> >>> may

>>> >>> have to treat myself to a bottle of wine to help the procedure along

>>> >>> !

>>> >>>

>>> >>> regards, Richard

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

>>> >>> news:k27bt39t7s8k2o3fl55vdfrnh9r0lmp9ks@4ax.com...

>>> >>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:34 -0000, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com>

>>> >>>> wrote:

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>> Can I "upgrade," my XP Home installation to XP Pro 2002, (that

>>> >>>>> I've

>>> >>>>> just

>>> >>>>> bought),

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> Yes, if you bought a Full or Upgrade version. No, if you've bought

>>> >>>> an

>>> >>>> OEM reason. OEM versions do not do upgrades of any kind.

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>> with a "repair install,"

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> No, you don't do a repair installation. You do an upgrade

>>> >>>> installation.

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> May I ask why you want to do this? Before you get concerned with

>>> >>>> the

>>> >>>> details of how to do this, perhaps you should revisit the question

>>> >>>> of

>>> >>>> *whether* to do it. Why do you want to? What do you hope to gain?

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> Are you aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same

>>> >>>> in

>>> >>>> all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly

>>> >>>> related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most

>>> >>>> (but

>>> >>>> not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features

>>> >>>> aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead

>>> >>>> of

>>> >>>> Home is a waste of money.

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> For details go to

>>> >>>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> Also note one other point not mentioned on any of those sites:

>>> >>>> Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and Home

>>> >>>> only

>>> >>>> five.

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>> or have I got to start from scratch and

>>> >>>>> sit here for a week ! ?

>>> >>>>>

>>> >>>>> regards, Richard

>>> >>>>>

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> --

>>> >>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>>> >>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>

>>> >

>>> >

>>

>> --

>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>