Its War!

[Guest b11_]

I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System Administrator uses

WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly watches and captures the screen

I am watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a notebook

computer with WiFi capability in the library to access the library LAN, can

he still watch and capture the screen I am watching?

[Guest nass]

RE: Its War!

 

 

 

"b11_" wrote:

> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System Administrator uses

> WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly watches and captures the screen

> I am watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a notebook

> computer with WiFi capability in the library to access the library LAN, can

> he still watch and capture the screen I am watching?

 

He/She could capture the Traffics you are accessing but shouldn't capture or

know the password or text you are typing unless they downloaded a piece of

software on your laptop!.

Again it depend on how complicated the software and how cleaver they monitor

the traffic in/out through there network.

[Guest IceMage]

RE: Its War!

 

The short answer:

Probably not.

 

The long answer:

The admin will NOT be able to see your screen unless he requires you install

software on your computer.

However, he WILL be able to see your traffic. Any traffic that goes over

the line can be monitored in some way, and the admin probably WILL watch the

web traffic.

 

If he requires you to install any software on your laptop before you can get

on the internet, don't do it. It's not needed, and it's a security measure

that can seriously invade your privacy. Voice your concern if this is the

case with fellow members of the library.

---

Scott

 

 

"b11_" wrote:

> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System Administrator uses

> WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly watches and captures the screen

> I am watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a notebook

> computer with WiFi capability in the library to access the library LAN, can

> he still watch and capture the screen I am watching?

[Guest Gordon]

Re: Its War!

 

IceMage wrote:

>

> If he requires you to install any software on your laptop before you can get

> on the internet, don't do it. It's not needed, and it's a security measure

> that can seriously invade your privacy.

 

Umm sorry, if the OP is an employee of the Library then they can

stipulate what software is needed to utilise the institution LAN. All

traffic, surfing and emails downloaded by using the institution

infrastructure belong to the institution. Period.

[Guest HEMI-Powered]

Re: Its War!

 

Gordon added these comments in the current discussion du jour

....

>> If he requires you to install any software on your laptop

>> before you can get on the internet, don't do it. It's not

>> needed, and it's a security measure that can seriously invade

>> your privacy.

>

> Umm sorry, if the OP is an employee of the Library then they

> can stipulate what software is needed to utilise the

> institution LAN. All traffic, surfing and emails downloaded by

> using the institution infrastructure belong to the

> institution. Period.

>

Yes, indeedee! Courts have universally ruled that there is NO

express or implied right to privacy in a company whether it is

privately held or public. I'm not so sure that the same is true

of municipal, county, state or Federal entities but probably is.

At least on the company side, ALL of them routinely track E-mail

and web access both for improper use and for just plain goofing

off too much. Ditto for phone calls. I had some experiences in my

job before I retired where people got fired not for the original

offense but for what they were doing with the company's

computers.

 

At my company, Chrysler, where I was Engineering Information

Security Manager for the last 5 1/2 years of my career (ending

with retirement 6 years ago, not fired!) our IT people had a

couple of people part-time looking for WWW sites that were

inappropriate, e.g., porn, and also for sites that mentioned

Chrysler in any way, good, bad, or indifferent. Usenet was almost

completely shut down because it is so hard to audit content. I

was asked once by a manager for a log of one of his employees web

hits for just the last month - the printout on my Laserjet was

over 2 reams! Needless to say, this guy got some "counseling"!

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"Surely you jest - and don't call me Shirley!" - from the movie

"Airplane!"

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: Its War!

 

If you're using the library's computer, they have every right to monitor

your browsing habits.

 

If you connect your machine wirelessly using the library's signal, the sites

you can access will probably be limited, and possibly monitored.

 

If your machine isn't configured for maximum safety, the library and other

users may be able to access and monitor your notebook computer, yes.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

 

 

b11_ wrote:

> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System Administrator

> uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly watches and captures

> the

> screen I am watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a

> notebook computer with WiFi capability in the library to access the

> library

> LAN, can he still watch and capture the screen I am watching?

[Guest b11_]

RE: Its War!

 

I am currently using a library desktop computer. As I was proof-reading the

original post, I noticed that the screen was captured so he must be able to

see what is on the screen.

_________________________________________________________________

 

"b11_" wrote:

> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System Administrator uses

> WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly watches and captures the screen

> I am watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a notebook

> computer with WiFi capability in the library to access the library LAN, can

> he still watch and capture the screen I am watching?

[Guest b11_]

RE: Its War!

 

What do you mean by Traffics?

____________________________________

 

"nass" wrote:

>

>

> "b11_" wrote:

>

> > I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System Administrator uses

> > WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly watches and captures the screen

> > I am watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a notebook

> > computer with WiFi capability in the library to access the library LAN, can

> > he still watch and capture the screen I am watching?

>

> He/She could capture the Traffics you are accessing but shouldn't capture or

> know the password or text you are typing unless they downloaded a piece of

> software on your laptop!.

> Again it depend on how complicated the software and how cleaver they monitor

> the traffic in/out through there network.

>

[Guest b11_]

RE: Its War!

 

The library desktop computer I am now using probably has special software

installed on it.

____________________________________________________________________

 

"b11_" wrote:

> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System Administrator uses

> WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly watches and captures the screen

> I am watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a notebook

> computer with WiFi capability in the library to access the library LAN, can

> he still watch and capture the screen I am watching?

[Guest IceMage]

RE: Its War!

 

I never meant for the previous post to come of as that they do not have the

right to monitor their network, because they most certainly do, and users are

a part of that network.

 

I was going to say, as far as a personal laptop is concerned, I would expect

any public access point to log my use of the internet, however, I'd be very

concerned if before I logged on, a page popped up and said "Hi, you must

install this piece of software before you can get internet access." unless it

was a brand name VPN client (such as Cisco VPN client.)

 

The reason is this: The internet does not care where you are on the

network, it simply knows you are. If the IT professional (originally with

good intentions) put a remote control software of any type on the computer so

he could spy on it, he could ***theoritically*** access that from anywhere,

be it on his network or not. Theoritically, because firewalls, NAT routers,

etc. would probably block this.

 

It's best practice to ALWAYS be wary of what you install on your computer

unless you know exactly what it is.

---

Scott

 

 

"b11_" wrote:

> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System Administrator uses

> WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly watches and captures the screen

> I am watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a notebook

> computer with WiFi capability in the library to access the library LAN, can

> he still watch and capture the screen I am watching?

[Guest HeyBub]

Re: Its War!

 

HEMI-Powered wrote:

>>

>> Umm sorry, if the OP is an employee of the Library then they

>> can stipulate what software is needed to utilise the

>> institution LAN. All traffic, surfing and emails downloaded by

>> using the institution infrastructure belong to the

>> institution. Period.

>>

> Yes, indeedee! Courts have universally ruled that there is NO

> express or implied right to privacy in a company whether it is

> privately held or public. I'm not so sure that the same is true

> of municipal, county, state or Federal entities but probably is.

 

Not only the above, but the "library" can establish whatever conditions they

see fit before they even let you in the door!

 

Even if this is a public library. Remember, there is no Constitutional

"right" to privacy except in a few well-defined areas related to sex (birth

control, abortion, and the limp-wristed kind).

[Guest HeyBub]

Re: Its War!

 

b11_ wrote:

> The library desktop computer I am now using probably has special

> software installed on it.

> ____________________________________________________________________

>

> "b11_" wrote:

>

>> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

>> Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly

>> watches and captures the screen I am watching. The library will soon

>> have WiFi so if I used a notebook computer with WiFi capability in

>> the library to access the library LAN, can he still watch and

>> capture the screen I am watching?

 

If you're not doing anything inappropriate, you have nothing to worry about.

 

If you are up to no good, its probably not the first time and the paperwork

is already in the pipeline...

[Guest HEMI-Powered]

Re: Its War!

 

HeyBub added these comments in the current discussion du jour

....

>>> Umm sorry, if the OP is an employee of the Library then they

>>> can stipulate what software is needed to utilise the

>>> institution LAN. All traffic, surfing and emails downloaded

>>> by using the institution infrastructure belong to the

>>> institution. Period.

>>>

>> Yes, indeedee! Courts have universally ruled that there is NO

>> express or implied right to privacy in a company whether it

>> is privately held or public. I'm not so sure that the same is

>> true of municipal, county, state or Federal entities but

>> probably is.

>

> Not only the above, but the "library" can establish whatever

> conditions they see fit before they even let you in the door!

>

> Even if this is a public library. Remember, there is no

> Constitutional "right" to privacy except in a few well-defined

> areas related to sex (birth control, abortion, and the

> limp-wristed kind).

>

Per your last, you are entirely correct. The Bill of Rights was

intended to limit the power of the Federal government and ALL of

the Amendments were basically to prevent the obvious abuses the

Colonists had to put up with under British rule. The "due process

clause" of the 14th Amendment, though, gave the courts tremendous

power to strike down state or Federal laws if they conclude that

the plaintiff wasn't given due process of law. e.g., Roe v. Wade

is widely believed to be the Supreme Court decision that

legalized abortion. Not! What it really was is a narrow

interpretation of the 14th where a teenage girl's gynocologist,

under then state law, revealed her to be on birth control pills.

Her mother objected and everybody went to court. Roe v. Wade is

in fact exactly the narrow exception you cite above, isn't it?

There are other exceptions, but they are few and far between as

best I can tell as a layman.

 

As an addendum to my comments above, I suppose it IS possible

that someday an activist court, read: very liberal in the ACLU

sense, may rule that the 4th Amendment and the clause in the 14th

DO imply a right to privacy under much broader conditions.

Sometimes just putting up a sign is enough, sometimes not. We'll

just have to see. As we're all also interested in what the Court

does with the first 2nd Amendment case to be heard in 75 years.

 

Another way to spin this may be that - someday - private

companies operate under one set of rules andgeneral governmental

offices and buildings under another. But, as you also correctly

point out "public access" does not imply anything, in fact,

rather strict rules can be enforced and frequently are.

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"Surely you can't be serious! And don't call me Shirley!" - from

the movie "Airplane!"

[Guest HEMI-Powered]

Re: Its War!

 

HeyBub added these comments in the current discussion du jour

....

>>> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

>>> Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably

>>> intermittantly watches and captures the screen I am

>>> watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a

>>> notebook computer with WiFi capability in the library to

>>> access the library LAN, can he still watch and capture the

>>> screen I am watching?

>

> If you're not doing anything inappropriate, you have nothing

> to worry about.

>

> If you are up to no good, its probably not the first time and

> the paperwork is already in the pipeline...

>

I would agree with that except that is a variant of a cop who says

"if you have nothing to hide, you'll let us search your house." It

is important - or should be - that people know and exercise their

rights and freedoms lest they lose them, but when there are clear

limitations as being discussed here, it is also important to know

that. Often the monitoring is relatively benign, but CAN be very

dangerous to one's personal safety or freedom, e.g., some bot

decides you're a terrorist ...

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"Surely you can't be serious! And don't call me Shirley!" - from

the movie "Airplane!"

[Guest HeyBub]

Re: Its War!

 

HEMI-Powered wrote:

> HeyBub added these comments in the current discussion du jour

> ...

>

>>>> Umm sorry, if the OP is an employee of the Library then they

>>>> can stipulate what software is needed to utilise the

>>>> institution LAN. All traffic, surfing and emails downloaded

>>>> by using the institution infrastructure belong to the

>>>> institution. Period.

>>>>

>>> Yes, indeedee! Courts have universally ruled that there is NO

>>> express or implied right to privacy in a company whether it

>>> is privately held or public. I'm not so sure that the same is

>>> true of municipal, county, state or Federal entities but

>>> probably is.

>>

>> Not only the above, but the "library" can establish whatever

>> conditions they see fit before they even let you in the door!

>>

>> Even if this is a public library. Remember, there is no

>> Constitutional "right" to privacy except in a few well-defined

>> areas related to sex (birth control, abortion, and the

>> limp-wristed kind).

>>

> Per your last, you are entirely correct. The Bill of Rights was

> intended to limit the power of the Federal government and ALL of

> the Amendments were basically to prevent the obvious abuses the

> Colonists had to put up with under British rule. The "due process

> clause" of the 14th Amendment, though, gave the courts tremendous

> power to strike down state or Federal laws if they conclude that

> the plaintiff wasn't given due process of law. e.g., Roe v. Wade

> is widely believed to be the Supreme Court decision that

> legalized abortion. Not! What it really was is a narrow

> interpretation of the 14th where a teenage girl's gynocologist,

> under then state law, revealed her to be on birth control pills.

> Her mother objected and everybody went to court. Roe v. Wade is

> in fact exactly the narrow exception you cite above, isn't it?

> There are other exceptions, but they are few and far between as

> best I can tell as a layman.

 

Modest corrections: The "privacy" interpretation took place regarding the

three items I mentioned, but you've comingled two of them. The first was

Griswold vs Connecticut (1965) which struck down a state law prohibiting the

distribution of contraceptives. The second was Roe vs Wade (1973) which

struck down most state (and federal) laws prohibiting abortion. The last was

a Texas case wherein the court struck down a state law against sodomy. All

of these were decided on "privacy" grounds even though "privacy" is not

mentioned in the Constitution.

 

Originally, the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal government.

States, for example, were free to establish a state church or forbid the

printing of newspapers. It wasn't until 1923 that the first of these

amendments was "incorporated" as being binding upon the states. Through the

intervening years, more and more of the BOR have been incorporated as

applying to the states. As you point out, the 2nd Amendment has NEVER been

so designated. As it stands right now, states are free to pass whatever laws

they wish with regard to guns without running afoul of the 2nd Amendment.

 

That may change on March 18th (see Heller vs D.C.).

 

There are a few other parts of the BOR that are not (yet) binding upon the

states: Jury trials in civil matters and the entire 3rd Amendment to name

two.

[Guest HeyBub]

Re: Its War!

 

HEMI-Powered wrote:

> HeyBub added these comments in the current discussion du jour

> ...

>

>>>> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

>>>> Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably

>>>> intermittantly watches and captures the screen I am

>>>> watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a

>>>> notebook computer with WiFi capability in the library to

>>>> access the library LAN, can he still watch and capture the

>>>> screen I am watching?

>>

>> If you're not doing anything inappropriate, you have nothing

>> to worry about.

>>

>> If you are up to no good, its probably not the first time and

>> the paperwork is already in the pipeline...

>>

> I would agree with that except that is a variant of a cop who says

> "if you have nothing to hide, you'll let us search your house." It

> is important - or should be - that people know and exercise their

> rights and freedoms lest they lose them, but when there are clear

> limitations as being discussed here, it is also important to know

> that. Often the monitoring is relatively benign, but CAN be very

> dangerous to one's personal safety or freedom, e.g., some bot

> decides you're a terrorist ...

 

Not the same thing. If you put your business out in public, there's no need

to "search" your home. Many people think their banking records are private;

not so. Once you give your information to someone else, it is up to THEM to

decide how to use it or whether to disclose it. You've surrendered all right

to confidentiality.

 

If you launch an email into the ether, you lose almost all rights to keeping

it private. Period.

 

And cops really don't use the line you offered - they're MUCH more subtle.

And tricky. Here's a simple example:

 

You've just pulled off an armed robbery and are stopped by the cops. The cop

says "Sorry to bother you mister, but your car sorta matches one involved in

a burglary a couple of hours ago. You don't have a TV set in your trunk, do

you? Mind if I take a look?"

 

As soon as you agree to allow the cop to look for a TV set, you've given

permission for him to disassemble your car. He'll surely find the mask and

the loot in your glove box. Hello, Grey Bar Hotel.

[Guest C.Joseph S. Drayton]

Re: Its War!

 

b11_ wrote:

>I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

>Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly

>watches and captures the screen I am watching. The library will soon

>have WiFi so if I used a notebook computer with WiFi capability in

>the library to access the library LAN, can he still watch and capture

>the screen I am watching?

 

To answer your question . . . he cannot capture the screen you are

watching, but yes he can capture your web content.

 

There is though another issue involved. Are you an employee of the

library where you are doing the things on the Internet?

 

This question is important since according to the rulings made in

regard to the US Telecommunications Act of 1996 if you are an employee,

then yes the employer or their agent can monitor your network traffic

on their network.

 

If you are a private citizen, then unless you recieve a page when you

first connect your computer to their 'access point' informing you that

network traffic can be monitored, then their monitoring of your network

traffic would be a violation of your privacy.

 

Basically the rule comes down to that when accessing a 'public' access

point you have the right to have an 'expectation of privacy' unless you

are specfically told that you do not.

 

This of course is a very gray area, since term 'expectation of privacy'

is not Black letter law and open to interpretation.

 

--

 

Sincerely,

C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T

 

CSD Computer Services

Web site: http://csdcs.tlerma.com/

E-mail: csdcs@tlerma.com

[Guest Phisherman]

Re: Its War!

 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:04:01 -0700, b11_

<b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System Administrator uses

>WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly watches and captures the screen

>I am watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a notebook

>computer with WiFi capability in the library to access the library LAN, can

>he still watch and capture the screen I am watching?

 

 

Not likely, but they can definitely see what sites and servers you

are accessing and how long you are connected. This information is

easily obtained from the proxy Internet server.

[Guest IceMage]

Re: Its War!

 

Right, but this comes down to a legal issue.

 

I couldn't have put it better. My main concern from the beginning was

requiring software to be installed. If you are an employee of the library,

however, this is not even a deal at all, since the library is required to

have much more detail of your network use.

---

Scott

 

 

"C.Joseph S. Drayton" wrote:

> b11_ wrote:

>

> >I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

> >Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly

> >watches and captures the screen I am watching. The library will soon

> >have WiFi so if I used a notebook computer with WiFi capability in

> >the library to access the library LAN, can he still watch and capture

> >the screen I am watching?

>

> To answer your question . . . he cannot capture the screen you are

> watching, but yes he can capture your web content.

>

> There is though another issue involved. Are you an employee of the

> library where you are doing the things on the Internet?

>

> This question is important since according to the rulings made in

> regard to the US Telecommunications Act of 1996 if you are an employee,

> then yes the employer or their agent can monitor your network traffic

> on their network.

>

> If you are a private citizen, then unless you recieve a page when you

> first connect your computer to their 'access point' informing you that

> network traffic can be monitored, then their monitoring of your network

> traffic would be a violation of your privacy.

>

> Basically the rule comes down to that when accessing a 'public' access

> point you have the right to have an 'expectation of privacy' unless you

> are specfically told that you do not.

>

> This of course is a very gray area, since term 'expectation of privacy'

> is not Black letter law and open to interpretation.

>

> --

>

> Sincerely,

> C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T

>

> CSD Computer Services

> Web site: http://csdcs.tlerma.com/

> E-mail: csdcs@tlerma.com

>

[Guest Bob I]

Re: Its War!

 

 

 

C.Joseph S. Drayton wrote:

> b11_ wrote:

>

>

>>I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

>>Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly

>>watches and captures the screen I am watching. The library will soon

>>have WiFi so if I used a notebook computer with WiFi capability in

>>the library to access the library LAN, can he still watch and capture

>>the screen I am watching?

>

>

> To answer your question . . . he cannot capture the screen you are

> watching, but yes he can capture your web content.

>

> There is though another issue involved. Are you an employee of the

> library where you are doing the things on the Internet?

>

> This question is important since according to the rulings made in

> regard to the US Telecommunications Act of 1996 if you are an employee,

> then yes the employer or their agent can monitor your network traffic

> on their network.

>

> If you are a private citizen, then unless you recieve a page when you

> first connect your computer to their 'access point' informing you that

> network traffic can be monitored, then their monitoring of your network

> traffic would be a violation of your privacy.

>

> Basically the rule comes down to that when accessing a 'public' access

> point you have the right to have an 'expectation of privacy' unless you

> are specfically told that you do not.

>

> This of course is a very gray area, since term 'expectation of privacy'

> is not Black letter law and open to interpretation.

>

 

Isn't his computer.

>>I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

>>Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly

>>watches and captures the screen I am watching.

[Guest Terry R.]

OT Re: Its War!

 

OT Re: Its War!

 

The date and time was 3/11/2008 12:43 PM, and on a whim, Bob I pounded

out on the keyboard:

>

> C.Joseph S. Drayton wrote:

>

>> b11_ wrote:

>>

>>

>>> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

>>> Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly

>>> watches and captures the screen I am watching. The library will soon

>>> have WiFi so if I used a notebook computer with WiFi capability in

>>> the library to access the library LAN, can he still watch and capture

>>> the screen I am watching?

>>

>> To answer your question . . . he cannot capture the screen you are

>> watching, but yes he can capture your web content.

>>

>> There is though another issue involved. Are you an employee of the

>> library where you are doing the things on the Internet?

>>

>> This question is important since according to the rulings made in

>> regard to the US Telecommunications Act of 1996 if you are an employee,

>> then yes the employer or their agent can monitor your network traffic

>> on their network.

>>

>> If you are a private citizen, then unless you recieve a page when you

>> first connect your computer to their 'access point' informing you that

>> network traffic can be monitored, then their monitoring of your network

>> traffic would be a violation of your privacy.

>>

>> Basically the rule comes down to that when accessing a 'public' access

>> point you have the right to have an 'expectation of privacy' unless you

>> are specfically told that you do not.

>>

>> This of course is a very gray area, since term 'expectation of privacy'

>> is not Black letter law and open to interpretation.

>>

>

> Isn't his computer.

>

> >>I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

> >>Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly

> >>watches and captures the screen I am watching.

>

 

Bob,

 

I see you use Netscape 7. Did you ever try NS 9? It was in alpha and

has since been dropped, but it was based on Thunderbird and had a lot of

nice features. Install it into another location if you try it and

create a new profile.

 

Or to keep current with updates, try Thunderbird and get the Netscape

Theme. It will find your current NS profile and use it, but not a good

idea to bounce back and forth between both programs if they are sharing

a profile.

 

http://mailnews.netscape.com/

 

--

Terry R.

 

***Reply Note***

Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.

Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.

[Guest Bob I]

Re: OT Re: Its War!

 

Re: OT Re: Its War!

 

 

 

Terry R. wrote:

> The date and time was 3/11/2008 12:43 PM, and on a whim, Bob I pounded

> out on the keyboard:

>

>>

>> C.Joseph S. Drayton wrote:

>>

>>> b11_ wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

>>>> Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly

>>>> watches and captures the screen I am watching. The library will soon

>>>> have WiFi so if I used a notebook computer with WiFi capability in

>>>> the library to access the library LAN, can he still watch and capture

>>>> the screen I am watching?

>>>

>>>

>>> To answer your question . . . he cannot capture the screen you are

>>> watching, but yes he can capture your web content.

>>>

>>> There is though another issue involved. Are you an employee of the

>>> library where you are doing the things on the Internet?

>>>

>>> This question is important since according to the rulings made in

>>> regard to the US Telecommunications Act of 1996 if you are an employee,

>>> then yes the employer or their agent can monitor your network traffic

>>> on their network.

>>>

>>> If you are a private citizen, then unless you recieve a page when you

>>> first connect your computer to their 'access point' informing you that

>>> network traffic can be monitored, then their monitoring of your network

>>> traffic would be a violation of your privacy.

>>>

>>> Basically the rule comes down to that when accessing a 'public' access

>>> point you have the right to have an 'expectation of privacy' unless you

>>> are specfically told that you do not.

>>>

>>> This of course is a very gray area, since term 'expectation of privacy'

>>> is not Black letter law and open to interpretation.

>>>

>>

>> Isn't his computer.

>>

>> >>I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

>> >>Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly

>> >>watches and captures the screen I am watching.

>>

>

> Bob,

>

> I see you use Netscape 7. Did you ever try NS 9? It was in alpha and

> has since been dropped, but it was based on Thunderbird and had a lot of

> nice features. Install it into another location if you try it and

> create a new profile.

>

> Or to keep current with updates, try Thunderbird and get the Netscape

> Theme. It will find your current NS profile and use it, but not a good

> idea to bounce back and forth between both programs if they are sharing

> a profile.

>

> http://mailnews.netscape.com/

>

 

Just use this cause it has been "approved", I use Thunderbird on my own

machine.

[Guest b11_]

Re: Its War!

 

I am a private citizen and do not work for the library. I am certain that as

I was proof-reading the original post I posted here, the screen was captured.

Does the administrator have the right to read and capture my newsgroup posts?

___________________________________________________________

"HeyBub" wrote:

> b11_ wrote:

> > The library desktop computer I am now using probably has special

> > software installed on it.

> > ____________________________________________________________________

> >

> > "b11_" wrote:

> >

> >> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

> >> Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly

> >> watches and captures the screen I am watching. The library will soon

> >> have WiFi so if I used a notebook computer with WiFi capability in

> >> the library to access the library LAN, can he still watch and

> >> capture the screen I am watching?

>

> If you're not doing anything inappropriate, you have nothing to worry about.

>

> If you are up to no good, its probably not the first time and the paperwork

> is already in the pipeline...

>

>

>

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: Its War!

 

If you were using the library's computers, yes.

 

b11_ wrote:

> I am a private citizen and do not work for the library. I am certain that

> as

> I was proof-reading the original post I posted here, the screen was

> captured. Does the administrator have the right to read and capture my

> newsgroup posts?

> ___________________________________________________________

> "HeyBub" wrote:

>

>> b11_ wrote:

>>> The library desktop computer I am now using probably has special

>>> software installed on it.

>>> ____________________________________________________________________

>>>

>>> "b11_" wrote:

>>>

>>>> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System

>>>> Administrator uses WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly

>>>> watches and captures the screen I am watching. The library will soon

>>>> have WiFi so if I used a notebook computer with WiFi capability in

>>>> the library to access the library LAN, can he still watch and

>>>> capture the screen I am watching?

>>

>> If you're not doing anything inappropriate, you have nothing to worry

>> about.

>>

>> If you are up to no good, its probably not the first time and the

>> paperwork

>> is already in the pipeline...

[Guest b11_]

RE: Its War!

 

So if I use a library desktop computer, which probably has special software

installed, the administrator can read and/or capture thre screen I am

watching but if I use a notebook computer, which has no special software

installed, the administrator can not see nor capture the screen I am watching

but could monitor which websites I visit. Is that correct?

_________________________________________________________________

 

"b11_" wrote:

> I use a library computer that is part of a LAN. The System Administrator uses

> WEBSENSE software and probably intermittantly watches and captures the screen

> I am watching. The library will soon have WiFi so if I used a notebook

> computer with WiFi capability in the library to access the library LAN, can

> he still watch and capture the screen I am watching?